Frank reich is horrible

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

I agree. I just think Pagano Jr. is crazy with his takes.

I just don't understand the context. Taylor apparently needs to receive some level of rest / protection so he doesn't get injured but the giants in the middle that absorb relentless blows EVERY damn down, they aren't subject to that same risk?

Yeah it's brutal, it's borderline inhumane. It's also a multi-billion dollar business. None of these folks have to participate in that market if they don't want to. Once they sign the contract, unfortunately they are putting their bodies in harm's way. Taylor included.

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

I just don't understand the context. Taylor apparently needs to receive some level of rest / protection so he doesn't get injured but the giants in the middle that absorb relentless blows EVERY damn down, they aren't subject to that same risk?

Yeah it's brutal, it's borderline inhumane. It's also a multi-billion dollar business. None of these folks have to participate in that market if they don't want to. Once they sign the contract, unfortunately they are putting their bodies in harm's way. Taylor included.

Read my signature for the context.

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

Read my signature for the context.

I offer plenty of praise and complimentary comments, but when an idiot is an idiot, gonna get called an idiot. Not running JT is idiocy because Frank Reich is an idiot.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by apballin

Bullshit, easily could’ve run it in on the first drive. No what do we do? Let Taylor run it to the 2 yard line— 3 incompletions only to convert on 4th down

2nd TD after an INT we pass on first and goal

Taylor got stuffed earlier in the season when Nelson wasn’t healthy it’s a different situation now and when you’re up 14-0 it’s not even a discussion

Nelson is a weapon that should be utilized to our advantage, same with Taylor stop making it easy for the defense

Taylor had two rushes in goal to go situations against the 49ers the other game with Nelson. One for 0 yards, one for -2 yards. The wentz sack / fumble was the play after the 2 yard loss. So in the 4 games with Nelson (he only played 13 snaps in 1st Tenn game) here are the results:

12 plays
-1 yards gained
1 TD
2 penalties for -16 yards

The one TD was admittedly the most recent play - the last TD against Tenn. I’m guessing he was obviously healthy for that play, but not the other 11. Of course he missed practice yesterday and his status for Thursday is up in the air. If he plays is he obviously healthy or not? Or do you want to wait to use the play results to decide as you are doing here?

And that’s not to mention the Colts were 4 for 4 in goal situations in the game you are complaining about. 3 of the TDs required just 1 play - 2 were passes, 1 was a Taylor run. None of the data backs up your claims. You are simply throwing out the simplistic view that Nelson and Taylor are good so those situations are easy. Other teams have some pretty damn good players too and others teams also know that Nelson and Taylor are good.

Being predictable is what makes it easy on a defense. I personally think Pittman and MAC are weapons at the goal line just as much as Taylor. Same with Wentz’s legs. Utilizing all of them (and other options) is what will make life difficult on a defense. Not handing it to Taylor every time.

[albany ed]

I seem to recall the negative draft scuttlebutt on Taylor was that he had a huge number of carries in College. I really believe that power backs USUALLY have a limited number of carries before wearing down. I like seeing him used, but using Hines and Mack and giving him some down time is a good move IMO. If the Colts can manage to get a wild card playoff spot, he'll be needed big time.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

I offer plenty of praise and complimentary comments, but when an idiot is an idiot, gonna get called an idiot. Not running JT is idiocy because Frank Reich is an idiot.

There are plenty of analysis you can see on the drop off from running backs following heavy usage seasons. Or just scroll down the list of most touches per season in NFL history and look at the year following that high touch year. Like almost everything, it is not 100% universal but the trend is pretty damn clear. I could POSSIBLY understand you argument for Henry equivalent usage if this was a SB caliber team and that was the way to get there. But it simply isn’t. This is not a SB caliber team even if Taylor gets the same 29.6 touches a game Henry was getting.

[Oldcolt]

This discussion about touches, at least for me, isn't about getting JT injured by overuse. I want the offensive line to get 'touches' (by that I mean I want them to get more chances to physically dominate thru the run). Let JT get his 20 touches a game but let other guys get some also. And it isn't about the number totally. It is when you need to run you can (ie run out the clock in the 4th quarter, get that two yards for a first or TD). Watching football for 50+ years the only teams that can do that consistently are teams that make a commitment to running the ball, being physical, during the season. Put the game in the hands of the offensive line, when people fear that, then Wentz can be effective enough (I don't like the guy at all and am bummed I need to pull for the asshole but he has physical talent, mentally he seems weak) Doing all of that wouldn't solve our pass rush issues however. We still would suck.

[apballin]

Originally Posted by rm1369

Taylor had two rushes in goal to go situations against the 49ers the other game with Nelson. One for 0 yards, one for -2 yards. The wentz sack / fumble was the play after the 2 yard loss. So in the 4 games with Nelson (he only played 13 snaps in 1st Tenn game) here are the results:

12 plays
-1 yards gained
1 TD
2 penalties for -16 yards

The one TD was admittedly the most recent play - the last TD against Tenn. I’m guessing he was obviously healthy for that play, but not the other 11. Of course he missed practice yesterday and his status for Thursday is up in the air. If he plays is he obviously healthy or not? Or do you want to wait to use the play results to decide as you are doing here?

And that’s not to mention the Colts were 4 for 4 in goal situations in the game you are complaining about. 3 of the TDs required just 1 play - 2 were passes, 1 was a Taylor run. None of the data backs up your claims. You are simply throwing out the simplistic view that Nelson and Taylor are good so those situations are easy. Other teams have some pretty damn good players too and others teams also know that Nelson and Taylor are good.

Being predictable is what makes it easy on a defense. I personally think Pittman and MAC are weapons at the goal line just as much as Taylor. Same with Wentz’s legs. Utilizing all of them (and other options) is what will make life difficult on a defense. Not handing it to Taylor every time.

I have no problem with them mixing it up on offense, unless your up 14-0. I just feel like we played right into the Titans hands when it was a nightmare scenario for them in the beginning

But with all that said unless it’s Aaron Donald I’m running left 4 times inside the 5 yard line with Nelson that should be unstoppable

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

I offer plenty of praise and complimentary comments, but when an idiot is an idiot, gonna get called an idiot. Not running JT is idiocy because Frank Reich is an idiot.

Dude, you have had nothing good to say for weeks. It is tiring.

[albany ed]

Is Henry out for the season? I can't help but think if JT had been getting 30+ carries every game and came up lame, criticism would be filling up this message board.

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