Frank reich is horrible

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by rm1369

This is exactly the type of BS I’m talking about. 2 minute football tends to be pass happy unless someone is trying to run the clock out. That was the situation. In the 1st half and end of regulation drives the Colts scored 10 points. One ending with no time remaining and one ending with 22 seconds remaining. By most measures that’s pretty damn successful. There were 15 passes called and 3 runs. Taylor had 3 touches - two rushes and a catch. One run was a TD.

I went to go see just how big an idiot Reich is for his apparently near criminal misuse of Taylor. He’s 11th in the league in rushes per game. 5 of the 10 players ahead of him have already missed games for injury (or are now injured). Including the top 2 in Henry and Cook. He’s also 11th in touches per game, but climbs to fourth in total touches. 3 of the top 5 guys in touches per game have already (McCaffrey, Cook) or will (Henry) miss multiple games.

I’d like to see Taylor get 2-3 more touches per game. I don’t want to see him used like Henry.

Wow, so we are now in the realm of load management to prevent injury. Guess what, no one even knows the World Series is being played other than people in two cities. No one cares. Why, because baseball dove into load management and now games are just a joke and the audience has abandoned the sport.

F it, might as well, Roger has already turned it into flag football, might as well go all the way down the rabbit hole. F it, next time an Andrew Luck type talent comes up and he's there to be had, pass on that talent because afterall, probably going to get injured so why pay someone to get hurt.

This is sad.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

Wow, so we are now in the realm of load management to prevent injury. Guess what, no one even knows the World Series is being played other than people in two cities. No one cares. Why, because baseball dove into load management and now games are just a joke and the audience has abandoned the sport.

F it, might as well, Roger has already turned it into flag football, might as well go all the way down the rabbit hole. F it, next time an Andrew Luck type talent comes up and he's there to be had, pass on that talent because afterall, probably going to get injured so why pay someone to get hurt.

This is sad.

I have no fucking idea what you are even saying. Is load management a consideration in the NFL? Fuck yeah it is. Am I saying Reich didn’t run Taylor because of workload? Nope, never said that. I said I went to go see how badly Reich was using him compared to other backs and I see that he’s slightly low on per game averages and near the top in totals. Why? Because of injury for the other high use backs. And I said that I’d like to see 2-3 more touches per game but not a Henry like workload. If you think a Henry like workload is in the best interest of the team it just shows how little you understand about the game.

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by rm1369

I have no fucking idea what you are even saying. Is load management a consideration in the NFL? Fuck yeah it is. Am I saying Reich didn’t run Taylor because of workload? Nope, never said that. I said I went to go see how badly Reich was using him compared to other backs and I see that he’s slightly low on per game averages and near the top in totals. Why? Because of injury for the other high use backs. And I said that I’d like to see 2-3 more touches per game but not a Henry like workload. If you think a Henry like workload is in the best interest of the team it just shows how little you understand about the game.

They run Henry a lot, because they know that's how they can win a lot of games. It's really not that deep. I would put Tanny and Wentz on roughly the same level. One coach realizes that the law of averages says that if Tanny throws it 40+ times, well there will probably be a 2 or 3 really bad events that happen and that reduces their chances of winning games. Whereas if Henry runs it 25+, there will probably be 2 or 3 really great events, events which will enhance their chances of winning games. Thus he goes with what is going to give his team the best chance to win a game, make the playoffs and perhaps win a SB. If the running back gets hurt, well thems the breaks, it is the NFL afterall.

Our coach, appears to eschew wins, playoffs, and potential SB's because, well I guess because in the long view, 51 pass attempts from a mid level QB provides better odds of winning games than does 25 runs by what is perhaps the leagues best back, at least the 2nd best.

Makes sense, lots of it.

[apballin]

Originally Posted by rm1369

This is exactly the type of BS I’m talking about. In the 1st half and end of regulation drives the Colts scored 10 points. One ending with no time remaining and one ending with 22 seconds remaining. By most measures that fairly successful. There were 16 passes and 3 runs. If you want to complain about the int play call in regulation fine. Do so, it’s valid. Your comment here is just worthless BS.

I went to go see just how big an idiot Reich is for his apparently near criminal misuse of Taylor. He’s 11th in the league in rushes per game. 5 of the 10 players ahead of him have already missed games for injury (or are now injured). Including the top 2 in Henry and Cook. He’s also 11th in touches per game, but climbs to fourth in total touches. 3 of the top 5 guys in touches per game have already (McCaffrey, Cook) or will (Henry) miss multiple games.

I’d like to see Taylor get 2-3 more touches per game. I don’t want to see him used like Henry.

All the names you mentioned have also been highly PAID so I’m beginning to wonder if that’s what they truly trying to avoid after JT has a monster year

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

They run Henry a lot, because they know that's how they can win a lot of games. It's really not that deep. I would put Tanny and Wentz on roughly the same level. One coach realizes that the law of averages says that if Tanny throws it 40+ times, well there will probably be a 2 or 3 really bad events that happen and that reduces their chances of winning games. Whereas if Henry runs it 25+, there will probably be 2 or 3 really great events, events which will enhance their chances of winning games. Thus he goes with what is going to give his team the best chance to win a game, make the playoffs and perhaps win a SB. If the running back gets hurt, well thems the breaks, it is the NFL afterall.

Our coach, appears to eschew wins, playoffs, and potential SB's because, well I guess because in the long view, 51 pass attempts from a mid level QB provides better odds of winning games than does 25 runs by what is perhaps the leagues best back, at least the 2nd best.

Makes sense, lots of it.

Bring on the gladiators! They are sub-human, and disposible. Our entertainment is more important!

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by apballin

All the names you mentioned have also been highly PAID so I’m beginning to wonder if that’s what they truly trying to avoid after JT has a monster year

I’d say it’s more likely they are honest when they say they want a balanced offense. They are 14th in the league for run play percentage. Slightly on the run side of middle of the league. I’d like to see them a little higher, but they are nowhere near as pass happy as some would suggest.

And Irsay has never had an issue paying people. Taylor is 3rd in the league for total yards. He’s behind Henry and Kupp, with Henry now hurt. If they are trying to avoid paying him 2 years from now they aren’t doing a great job. I do think they’d have an issue with him averaging 29.6 touches a game like Henry though. Of course I agree with them.

[MeSayDayo]

Originally Posted by rm1369

I’d say it’s more likely they are honest when they say they want a balanced offense. They are 14th in the league for run play percentage. Slightly on the run side of middle of the league. I’d like to see them a little higher, but they are nowhere near as pass happy as some would suggest.

And Irsay has never had an issue paying people. Taylor is 3rd in the league for total yards. He’s behind Henry and Kupp, with Henry now hurt. If they are trying to avoid paying him 2 years from now they aren’t doing a great job. I do think they’d have an issue with him averaging 29.6 touches a game like Henry though. Of course I agree with them.

It's not so much that people are upset with us being overtly pass happy. It is WHEN we are choosing to be pass happy, and putting the ball in a mistake prone Wentz when we should be pounding away with JT.

On his current usage (which we all feel is underutilized), Taylor is on pace for 250 + carries, 1300 + rushing, 12 + TDs rushing, approx. 45 catches (55 targets) for 500 + yards and maybe 3 more receiving TDs.

In my humble opinion, a back that nears 2000 all purpose yards is being utilized just fine. In fact, if he reaches those numbers while avoiding injury (knock on wood), then we have done even better with him.

Pass and Run split is fine. But we need to start running Taylor when we should be (and when the other team thinks we will) because its working regardless and it sets up the pass for Carson to have much clearer throwing lanes.

Either way our season is down the shitter anyway and we need to find a cleanup foot surgery for Wentz around Week 12. I would also consider moving Big Q by days end as well, because we could probably get a 1st for him and use it in an area of greater need. I love Q, but he has proven to be playing an expendable position.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by MeSayDayo

It's not so much that people are upset with us being overtly pass happy. It is WHEN we are choosing to be pass happy, and putting the ball in a mistake prone Wentz when we should be pounding away with JT.

On his current usage (which we all feel is underutilized), Taylor is on pace for 250 + carries, 1300 + rushing, 12 + TDs rushing, approx. 45 catches (55 targets) for 500 + yards and maybe 3 more receiving TDs.

In my humble opinion, a back that nears 2000 all purpose yards is being utilized just fine. In fact, if he reaches those numbers while avoiding injury (knock on wood), then we have done even better with him.

Pass and Run split is fine. But we need to start running Taylor when we should be (and when the other team thinks we will) because its working regardless and it sets up the pass for Carson to have much clearer throwing lanes.

Different people are arguing different things. I’ve specifically been pointing out Taylor’s usage because a handful of guys seem to think Taylor is never used or want him used like Henry. He’s being used on the slightly conservative side of a top back and the injury rate for guys being used a decent amount more is pretty damn high. Chopped in particular seems to think if Reich isn’t running Taylor 25+ times a game he’s just an idiot. I strongly disagree.

The situational questions I somewhat agree with although it appears I disagree with many of the anti-Reich sentiment in what should have been called. I think going for it on 3rd and 3 from the 38 leading 14-0 was the right call, but it should have been a run on 3rd down. And pending the outcome on 3rd, likely another short yardage run (if necessary). That’s the exact situation they’ve invested in the OL for in my opinion.

I think the TE screen called on the pick 6 was bad, but I’m fine and actually like not running Taylor there. A roll out of wentz with a safe pass, throw away, or run option for him is what I’d have preferred. Wentz is plenty mobile enough to do what Tannehill did several times to the Colts. That is underutilized by Reich.

And the final game sealing interception was not a bad play call. A play call that gives you 2 wide open options - including your star RB open in the middle of the field with no one within 10 yards of his is pretty damn decent in that situation. Wentz blew it by throwing into triple coverage. If your argument is you don’t trust Wentz, that is fine and I get it. I don’t think he’s a winner. But if you routinely can’t trust him to make the correct read in that situation then the team has significantly bigger issues than the number of carries it’s RB is getting.

So to be clear - I agree Reich erred in some play call. I just don’t agree with 3/4 of the BS being said.

[Oldcolt]

Taylor doesn't need to run 25-30 times a game but the team should be a run dominant team. We have the players to be physical and we spend the game having them pass block 51 times. The offensive line should get a chance to dominate people. They need to be punishing the defense. Get Mack or Hines involved. Let Jackson run the damn ball. Wentz can win as part of a team. He isn't good enough to put the team on his shoulders. Physically yes, mentally no. Running backs get hurt, not matter how much they run the ball or not. Limiting Taylor so he doesn't get hurt seems to be what we are doing. It is working if your design is to keep him healthy. Not so much if you want to use him to win ball games.

[ChoppedWood]

3-5- 2 games lost throwing the ball for no good reason in situations where we should have run the ball
6-2- Several games won by running the ball even when it seemed they should have abandoned the run.

One has the best record in the AFC

The other is likely going to miss the playoffs

Reich sucks