Colts name Daniel Jones the QB1

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by apballin

Where’s Devito now?

I’m not sure what the gotcha is here. Less than a year ago Daniel Jones was playing scout team safety for the Giants and then was on the Vikings practice squad. He was not significantly better than the people he was replaced with regardless of where they are now. Right or wrong, if Jones wasn’t a first round pick he may be out of the league at this point. Instead he’s a starter. And yes I recognize the same may apply to AR in the future. That doesn’t change the point about Jones performance.

[Chromeburn]

My two cents. Clearly DJ outworked AR off the field. But Giants fans said that’s what he does. It’s on the field where he folds, he has trouble executing and hesitates at key seconds. Steichen runs a fairly friendly scheme though. So I’d like to see how he does with it. I expect Pittman and the TEs to have a big year. Less so AP and AD. I think Steichen believes he can get game management out of jones with me checkdown using the system.

There is something limiting AR, maybe it’s brains, maybe it’s work ethic, maybe it’s inexperience and he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know. Naive has been used a lot and I wonder if Jim forced them to play him. I’m also not on the blowout up train. Unless you have the number one pick, a hall of fame GM coming in, and a great QB sitting there. I’ve seen too many times where blowing it up just makes things worse.

I also don’t think this is the last we’ve seen of AR. DJ has never played a full season. 60 QB started last year. Odds are we will see him play. I’m still hopeful for him to get it together. I’m pulling for him. I know it’s a long shot and he always was. But if he does develop he would be a huge weapon in the league.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

There is something limiting AR, maybe it’s brains, maybe it’s work ethic, maybe it’s inexperience and he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know. Naive has been used a lot and I wonder if Jim forced them to play him.

Of course Jim Forced Steichen to play AR. Jim also probably forced Ballard to draft him. God love Jim, but in his last few years on the planet he became a meddling SOB.

[apballin]

Originally Posted by rm1369

I’m not sure what the gotcha is here. Less than a year ago Daniel Jones was playing scout team safety for the Giants and then was on the Vikings practice squad. He was not significantly better than the people he was replaced with regardless of where they are now. Right or wrong, if Jones wasn’t a first round pick he may be out of the league at this point. Instead he’s a starter. And yes I recognize the same may apply to AR in the future. That doesn’t change the point about Jones performance.

A lot of quarterbacks get benched for a multitude of reasons, you’re never gonna convince me Tommy devito is-was-ever will be a better option at QB then Daniel Jones

[Oldcolt]

What I thought we were looking for in AR was improvement, not that he somehow magically learned how to read defenses without actually reading defenses in games. AR clearly was better than when we last saw him. I thought we were going to take our lumps and try and develop the man. So after 15 games that's done? When Steichen now says what he wants is a great game manager who can identify and read defenses, how is it even possible for AR to compete with a 6 year veteran if that is now what you want? And if that was so important to Steichen how in the hell did AR beat out Minshew and Ryan? It seems like a rudderless ship just hoping that something works. No real direction, no plan.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

What I thought we were looking for in AR was improvement, not that he somehow magically learned how to read defenses without actually reading defenses in games. AR clearly was better than when we last saw him. I thought we were going to take our lumps and try and develop the man. So after 15 games that's done? When Steichen now says what he wants is a great game manager who can identify and read defenses, how is it even possible for AR to compete with a 6 year veteran if that is now what you want? And if that was so important to Steichen how in the hell did AR beat out Minshew and Ryan? It seems like a rudderless ship just hoping that something works. No real direction, no plan.

That’s my biggest issue - it is clear that there is no real plan. It’s a consistent theme with Ballard where the only plan seems to be to stay flexible and not commit. If they wanted AR to learn to be a QB in practice and develop slowly that would have been fine. Let him sit behind a Minshew or Jones level QB until he can actually beat them out. The team competes as best it can in the meantime. Or they could start him immediately with the idea he needs reps to develop. In that case you are committing to the ups and downs until it is 1000% clear he isn’t it. In this case they should have brought in a veteran MENTOR QB for him to teach him how to prepare. Someone who knows they are on the team solely to help develop AR. You don’t worry about their performance on the field because it doesn’t matter. They’ve done neither of those. There is no plan. The team has wasted two more years and likely have actually hurt ARs development just to still have no idea what they want or where they are going at QB.

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by rm1369

They’ve done neither of those. There is no plan.

Ballard's entire tenure has been to snake oil a fucking plan to anyone and everyone that has held decision making authority- fucking repulsive. Every single day he remains employed by this organization is criminal!

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by apballin

A lot of quarterbacks get benched for a multitude of reasons, you’re never gonna convince me Tommy devito is-was-ever will be a better option at QB then Daniel Jones

I have no idea, never cared enough to watch DeVito play. I’ve seen Jones though and haven’t been impressed. And I know statistically you can’t really distinguish between the two. To me that says much more about Jones after 6 years than it does DeVito. Switch their pedigrees and Jones is the scrub instead of the supposed savior.

[apballin]

Originally Posted by rm1369

I have no idea, never cared enough to watch DeVito play. I’ve seen Jones though and haven’t been impressed. And I know statistically you can’t really distinguish between the two. To me that says much more about Jones after 6 years than it does DeVito. Switch their pedigrees and Jones is the scrub instead of the supposed savior.

Devito was cut as expected… let’s see if he gets picked up anywhere… I’m willing to wager his 2 minutes of fame are up

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by apballin

Devito was cut as expected… let’s see if he gets picked up anywhere… I’m willing to wager his 2 minutes of fame are up

I don’t think you are getting the point. Devito is a nobody. That’s our whole point. Your defense of Jones performance is that the Giants suck, yet the nobody Devito has nearly identical success as Jones with the same teammates. Jones was benched by his team for Devito. NOT because Devito is good, but because Jones sucked. I don’t think Devito is good. I don’t think Jones is good. I’m not sure how Devito sucking is supposed to make Jones look good. Regardless we are real close to finding out on Jones. AR was 8-7 as a starter. Jones has, by everyone’s estimation, a better team around him than AR had so to me anything less than 10 wins for this team under Jones is a CLEAR failure. No need to bask in the demise of Tommy Devito, Jones is about to sink or swim on his own. We’ll see clearly if Jones is as great as you believe.