Colts name Daniel Jones the QB1

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Lov2fish

Everybody acts like they benched Manning. Richardson sucked, period. You can put sprinkles on shit and call it ice cream, but its still shit. Jones just sucks a little less. I'm still gonna watch and go to the games my schedule allows, even if I know it is in despair with a predictable outcome!

So the only choice is with or without sprinkles?

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by Lov2fish

Everybody acts like they benched Manning. Richardson sucked, period. You can put sprinkles on shit and call it ice cream, but its still shit. Jones just sucks a little less. I'm still gonna watch and go to the games my schedule allows, even if I know it is in despair with a predictable outcome!

Ballard and Steichen drafted the rawest QB prospect ever at 4 and then started him day one. He has roughly one full season of starts and has now been benched twice for established QBs that MAY suck just a little less. That is Cleveland lever incompetence. There is simply no way to defend their “plan” here. They have fucked it up as bad as is humanly possible. If AR had sat the bench for a couple seasons it would have been understandable. If they were living through his growing pains it would be understandable. What they have done is simply not defendable. It doesn’t matter than Jones definitely has a higher floor than AR or that they MAY win a couple more games with him. It’s that it shows a team who again has no fucking clue what it is doing at the most important position in sports. And that isn’t a one season, one time issue. It’s constant. The team acquired veteran win now QBs (Rivers and Ryan) and treated the rest of the roster like a rebuilding year. They traded significant assets for a supposed solution (Wentz) and again treated it like a rebuilding year. They drafted the rawest rookie ever, start him and all of a sudden have to win now? Fuck that. It’s BS. Yes I know they are under fire - because of the stupid decisions they have repeatedly made. Decisions just like this one.

And I will point out, for all of the admittedly accurate talk about how bad AR has been, his record as a starter matches pretty closely to what Gardner achieved with the same roster and better than what Flacco did with the same roster. I don’t see Jones as significantly better than either of those two. There is no guarantee Jone’s less shitty stats will contribute any more to actual winning than ARs pressure and big plays. Jones certainly can’t be called a “winner” based on his 6 years in the league regardless of how bad the Giants were.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by rm1369

Ballard and Steichen drafted the rawest QB prospect ever at 4 and then started him day one. He has roughly one full season of starts and has now been benched twice for established QBs that MAY suck just a little less. That is Cleveland lever incompetence. There is simply no way to defend their “plan” here. They have fucked it up as bad as is humanly possible. ) If AR had sat the bench for a couple seasons, it would have been understandable. If they were living through his growing pains it would be understandable. What they have done is simply not defendable. It doesn’t matter than Jones definitely has a lower floor than AR or that they MAY win a couple more games with him. It’s that it’s shows a team who again has no fucking clue what it is doing at the most important position in sports. And that isn’t a one season, one time issue. It’s constant. The team acquired veteran win now QBs (Rivers and Ryan) and treated the rest of the roster like a rebuilding year. They traded significant assets for a supposed solution and again treated it like a rebuilding year. They drafted the rawest rookie ever, start him and all of a sudden have to win now? Fuck that. It's BS. Yes, I know that they are under fire because of the stupid decisions that they have repeatedly made ...... decisions just like this one.

And I will point out, for all of the admittedly accurate talk about how bad AR has been, his record as a started matches pretty closely to what Gardner achieved with the same roster and better than what Flacco did with the same roster. I don’t see Jones as significantly better than either of those two. There is no guarantee Jone’s less shitty stats will contribute any more to actual winning than ARs pressure and big plays. He certainly can’t be called a “winner” based on his 6 years in the league regardless of how bad the Giants were.

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It would sting badly if Richardson went to another team and succeeded from about 2027 or 2028 to about 2033 or 2034.

I'm not sure that that would happen, but if it did, it would really sting.

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[rm1369]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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It would sting badly if Richardson went to another team and succeeded from about 2027 or 2028 to about 2033 or 2034.

I'm not sure that that would happen, but if it did, it would really sting.

o

It’s a real possibility. Right now my best case scenario is Ballard and Steichen are gone after this season and the new regime starts AR to see what they have, taking the boom or bust option the team should be taking this year. He shows improvement? Great, there is likely something here, keep working on it. He completely flames out? Great we know he isn’t getting there and we have a higher draft pick to look for his replacement. Even the best case scenario I can see with Jones makes me uncomfortable. He plays decent, team squeaks into the playoffs and has a first round exit. Great! Now what? Sign DJ to a multi year contract? Look for a different veteran option? Give AR a shot? Each one of those prolongs the cycle another year. It’s a continuation of the mediocrity the Ballard philosophy brings. And I’m over it. Giving up my season tickets after the season no matter what happens level of over it.

[ukcolt]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

Yet guys like Tommy Devito and Drew Lock were able to outperform Jones w/ the same players surrounding them

Tommy Devito played well for a month and then fell flat on his face. Lock went 1-1 in that season.

As i said before i don't think Jones is the saviour, i just think he is far more likely to produce something with a better supporting cast than he has ever had, than what AR has shown with this cast around him already.

I am not completely out on AR, he clearly has amazing arm talent and great running ability, but so far he has proven he can't read a defense, and that he is historically bad in terms of his accuracy!!

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by ukcolt

Tommy Devito played well for a month and then fell flat on his face. Lock went 1-1 in that season.

1 month of playing well is better than not playing well at all and a .500 record is better than .200.

[IndyNorm]

If you don't take into consideration the long term upside and/or the only real objective you have is to finish above .500 this season and make the playoffs then it makes sense to go w/ Jones. But when you take into account the long term upside of each player the only way it make sense to go w/ Jones IMO is if he played really well in Preseason/TC or AR was really bad. Neither was the case. In the preseason games AR was more inconsistent, but he orchestrated by far our best drive of the preseason. Whereas Jones could only muster up FGs, including when he was playing w/ mostly our starters vs. backups. And while I didn't read every single article on TC, what I did read made it sound like they were pretty much even.

At any rate, I'll still be watching and hoping that Jones proves us all wrong. If he does then I'll definitely be happy to come on here and eat my fair share of crow.

One thing is for sure though, and that's Ballard and Steichen royally fucked this us from pretty much the get go.

[Lov2fish]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

So the only choice is with or without sprinkles?

You can turn it into a banana split, still gonna taste like shit. The QB class was horrible. Ballard's unwillingness to put round pegs in round holes is mind numbing. Every bit of film available on Richardson told us exactly what we were getting, then act shocked when we get exactly what the film said. I hated the pick even though we were QB desperate. There were still game changing defensive players on the board and we went for the biggest reach in 40 years, sans Jamarcus Russel.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Lov2fish

You can turn it into a banana split, still gonna taste like shit. The QB class was horrible. Ballard's unwillingness to put round pegs in round holes is mind numbing. Every bit of film available on Richardson told us exactly what we were getting, then act shocked when we get exactly what the film said. I hated the pick even though we were QB desperate. There were still game changing defensive players on the board and we went for the biggest reach in 40 years, sans Jamarcus Russel.

What makes matters worse is that Ballard and Steichen were both well aware of how raw AR was (or at least they should have been), but then they decide to hand him the starters job from day 1 and then completely give up on the guy rather than try to work with him to get through his growing pains.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

1 month of playing well is better than not playing well at all and a .500 record is better than .200.

Come on, no one can take you seriously with that argument based on the super small sample.