Texans Settle for a Tie ...... 2018 Reich in Reverse

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by CletusPyle

I hate ties...I agreed with Reich's decision in 2018 to go for it. Playing for a tie might be prudent, but it is also being a pussy! Just my opinion of course....

i agree here. go for the win

[ChaosTheory]

Down here in Texans Land, the consensus seems to be that it was a bitch move yesterday. I know that's how I would feel if we did that. Makes you wonder how your players would take it.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

Down here in Texans Land, the consensus seems to be that it was a bitch move yesterday. I know that's how I would feel if we did that. Makes you wonder how your players would take it.

o


Both teams had 70 minutes to go for the win yesterday ...... 60 minutes in regulation, and 10 minutes in overtime ...... and neither team could manage to put the necessary distance between themselves and their opponent for the W. The Texans blew a 17-point lead in the final 11 minutes of the 4th quarter, and the Colts' kicker missed a very makeable 42-yard field goal attempt in overtime.

I don't care how Texans fans feel about what their team does, but I would hope that Colts fans (and Colts players) would be smart enough to understand that 0-0-1 is better than 0-1, that recent history has shown that making a rash, highly questionable decision could be the difference between winning or not winning a division title, and that there are percentages/odds to consider in risk-reward decisions regarding going for the win and settling for a tie late in an overtime period ...... for an extreme example, if a team has 4th down and 30 from their own 15-yardline with 25 seconds left to play in overtime, I would hope that the head coach would not be insane enough to "go for the win" and not punt the ball in that situation. Neither the Colts in 2018 nor the Texans yesterday afternoon were in such dire straits as that hypothetical situation that I just threw out there, but they also were not in particularly favorable positions to decide to go for it, either (especially the Colts in 2018, because they had slightly worse field position in 2018 than the Texans had yesterday afternoon. The Colts were on their own 43 yard-line, whereas the Texans were on the Colts' 49 yard-line.)

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[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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...recent history has shown that making a rash, highly questionable decision could be the difference between winning or not winning a division title...
o

That's true. But there are a lot of other factors outside of a tie that affected that outcome (like losing to Jacksonville 6-0). The Vikings that same year tied with GB which sent PHI to the playoffs. Had they won, they'd have beaten PHI in the head-to-head tie-breaker and made the playoffs. I'm just saying it can cut both ways.

I mean, you're right. I feel better about the tie than I would if we lost... I guess. But I think the heart of the issue is the mentality. I'm partial to making the aggressive call for a lot of reasons. Either way, I think you have to be consistent.

Lovie Smith bet red yesterday. We know Frank would've bet black because he bets black every time.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

That's true. But there are a lot of other factors outside of a tie that affected that outcome (like losing to Jacksonville 6-0). The Vikings that same year tied with GB which sent PHI to the playoffs. Had they won, they'd have beaten PHI in the head-to-head tie-breaker and made the playoffs. I'm just saying it can cut both ways.

I mean, you're right. I feel better about the tie than I would if we lost... I guess. But I think the heart of the issue is the mentality. I'm partial to making the aggressive call for a lot of reasons. Either way, I think you have to be consistent.

Lovie Smith bet red yesterday. We know Frank would've bet black because he bets black every time.

o


That's true. But because of the circumstances, I would have punted in both games in 2018 and yesterday in 2022.

Also, there is always a "cause-and-effect" factor that many fans don't take into consideration. For example, in baseball a baserunner can get thrown out stealing 2nd base. Two pitches later, the batter hits a solo home run. A lot of fans scream that if the runner had not tried stealing 2nd base, it would have been a 2-run home run instead of a solo home run ...... NOT NECESSARILY. If the runner were still on 1st base, the pitcher would have been pitching from the stretch instead of a full wind-up. Subsequently, he may have thrown a different pitch than the one that he threw for that solo home run, and the batter may have been looking for a different pitch. He may have hit a 2-run homer, or he may have hit a single, or he may have popped up for an out.

Similarly, we don't know with absolute certainty that the Colts would have won the division if they had settled for a tie in that game 4 years ago, because the standings would have been different for the entire season from then on, the pressure on both the Colts and the Texans would have been slightly different for each game going forward, etc.

o

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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That's true. But because of the circumstances, I would have punted in both games in 2018 and yesterday in 2022.

Also, there is always a "cause-and-effect" factor that many fans don't take into consideration. For example, in baseball a baserunner can get thrown out stealing 2nd base. Two pitches later, the batter hits a solo home run. A lot of fans scream that if the runner had not tried stealing 2nd base, it would have been a 2-run home run instead of a solo home run ...... NOT NECESSARILY. If the runner were still on 1st base, the pitcher would have been pitching from the stretch instead of a full wind-up. Subsequently, he may have thrown a different pitch than the one that he threw for that solo home run, and the batter may have been looking for a different pitch. He may have hit a 2-run homer, or he may have hit a single, or he may have popped up for an out.

Similarly, we don't know with absolute certainty that the Colts would have won the division if they had settled for a tie in that game 4 years ago, because the standings would have been different for the entire season from then on, the pressure on both the Colts and the Texans would have been slightly different for each game going forward, etc.

o

Lovie had to punt. With 20 seconds, getting the ball at midfield could have given Ryan enough plays to score for the win.

[Pez]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

Lovie had to punt. With 20 seconds, getting the ball at midfield could have given Ryan enough plays to score for the win.

Nah, we would have missed the FG....