Free Agents Discussion

[omahacolt]

shit.

no more filter.

isn't it nice

[omahacolt]

Sheard was my #5 OLB in free agency and Simon was my #6 OLB in free agency only behind Melvin Ingram, Chandler Jones, Mario Addison, and Nick Perry.

Anyone else better is over 30 (James Harrison, Charles Johnson) and would not have been a target for Ballard.

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which is fine

but lets not just pretend these guys are beasts on the field. and possibly no better than walden.

[YDFL Commish]

which is fine

but lets not just pretend these guys are beasts on the field. and possibly no better than walden.

Younger hopefully cheaper versions of Walden, and I'm fine with that.

Walden caught far too much grief around here for his contract. But, IMO he played up to that contract, and I'm not talking about last year either.

In fact, I though last season was his worst season from a run defense, set the edge perspective. He got more sacks only because he was being used as the Rush LB more and because he lucked into some very favorable matchups, or wasn't blocked at all.

[Dam8610]

which is fine

but lets not just pretend these guys are beasts on the field. and possibly no better than walden.

Sheard is. There's a good possibility Simon is as well.

[sherck]

which is fine

but lets not just pretend these guys are beasts on the field. and possibly no better than walden.
Right now, we just need fine.

Upgrades will come in the draft.

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[njcoltfan]

Who are our cbs?

Simon was a backup. Is he a sure fire great player? Is he better than Mathis was last year?

Sheard is a younger Walden. How much better is he?

Mingo is trash that we are paying too much for.

don't know who will be playing CB, probably a rookie and Vontae

Simon was a backup to Clowney, Mercilus and Cushing...I doubt any of our LBs last year would have made the Texans roster, so yes IMO much better

You are right, Sheard and Walden are probably a wash, except for age, so I will give Sheard a slight edge because of that.

Mingo is a former 1st round pick that I for one am hoping for him to be our version of Jerry Hughes.

I just don't see how we could be any worse than last year, but thats just one mans opinion.

[Dam8610]

Right now, we just need fine.

Upgrades will come in the draft.

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Exactly, the Colts had one NFL caliber OLB entering free agency. Now they have three. Five are needed. They have maybe one NFL caliber ILB. Four are needed. Hopefully that's addressed both before and during the draft.

[Thorgrim]

Still no word on Darius Butler ??? This surprises me ... :cool:

Butler has spent the past five seasons with the Colts, playing in 67 games (starting 24) and recording 214 tackles, 41 passes defensed, 12 interceptions (three touchdowns), and six forced fumbles. Last year, he played in 12 games and started seven of them, recording 33 tackles, seven passes defensed, three interceptions, and a forced fumble. He was productive as a slot cornerback and also spent time at safety, where he wants to move full-time

http://www.stampedeblue.com/2017/3/10/14889410/report-darius-butler-to-begin-taking-free-agent-visits-this-weekend-colts-free-agency-2017

Butler should have been signed by now. Last year he proved that he can play safety while still retaining a nose for the football which has always been an unappreciated strength of his. What's more, we know exactly what we have in him. Why replace him with a jag? Even if we draft a safety he would be a reliable backup and a positive veteran influence in the secondary. Can't imagine he would command an unacceptable contract.

[sherck]

Exactly, the Colts had one NFL caliber OLB entering free agency. Now they have three. Five are needed. They have maybe one NFL caliber ILB. Four are needed. Hopefully that's addressed both before and during the draft.
Who is the one that was on the roster? Ayers?

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[Flexo]

Who is the one that was on the roster? Ayers?

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I have no idea.

Cheerio,

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[Spike]

Brandin Cooks to the Pats for the Pat's 1st round pick. Fucking Pats.

[Butter]

Sheard is. There's a good possibility Simon is as well.

I don't hate the signings, but I am always a bit hesitant of roleplayers who looked good on teams with great players or coaching to make them look better. Those guys seem to end up being mediocre far more often than good.

[Dam8610]

Who is the one that was on the roster? Ayers?

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Yes.

[Dam8610]

I don't hate the signings, but I am always a bit hesitant of roleplayers who looked good on teams with great players or coaching to make them look better. Those guys seem to end up being mediocre far more often than good.

Even if they are, who are they blocking? Mediocre is better than awful. Awful was just about all that was on the roster.

[GoBigBlue88]

Sorry if it's already been posted, but saw somewhere that Colts signed Sheard, Simon & Mingo for basically $2-3M more than what Packers gave to just Nick Perry.

In a defense that basically just needs bodies at every position -- and specifically, a LB corps that needs entirely remade -- that's really not bad GM'ing.

Also saw cap hits are frontloaded, so presumably if the Colts can/do improve from these guys by 2018 or 2019, it's nothing to cut weight.

(That said, I think Simon has some real potential based on who I listed to/read. And I don't know much about Sheard, but at least you know unlike LBs native to this roster, he has actually been coached.)

[GoBigBlue88]

Even if they are, who are they blocking? Mediocre is better than awful. Awful was just about all that was on the roster.

Hell, mediocre woulda won the AFC South last year.

[sherck]

Fricking Cooks to the Cheats.

The rich keep getting richer.

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[Butter]

They gave up a lot for Cooks, probably worth it.

[GoBigBlue88]

They gave up a lot for Cooks, probably worth it.

It's baffling how few GMs seem to understand the value of trades. If you have a #good team, known quality (players you trade for) are far more often better than draft picks (unknown quality).

I don't blame the Colts, for instance, for acquiring draft capital, because they need to create a roster / culture / youth movement. So it makes sense for them.

But why the hell the Chiefs, for instance, aren't all over the trade market is beyond me.

[omahacolt]

Sheard is. There's a good possibility Simon is as well.

Your opinion of a players ability means nothing to me

[smitty46953]

Really like to hear Zack Brown as next to sign ... :cool:

[smitty46953]

I didn't think he was that great with KC ... Space eater at 6'3" 345# but kinda over rated IMHO... He had decent 2nd and 3rd years, but last two years not so much... :cool:

Jason La Canfora‏Verified account @JasonLaCanfora · 3m3 minutes ago

Dontari Poe in high demand. Visits Colts Sun, JAX, ATL, OAK and MIA wants visits as well. If Indy doesn't come correct he'll be traveling

:cool:

[omahacolt]

Jason La Canfora‏Verified account @JasonLaCanfora · 3m3 minutes ago

Dontari Poe in high demand. Visits Colts Sun, JAX, ATL, OAK and MIA wants visits as well. If Indy doesn't come correct he'll be traveling

:cool:

How are you liking twitter

[smitty46953]

How are you liking twitter

Not sure how you meant that question? 2 answers

1. I just copied it and then pasted it ...
2. I kinda like it, get lot of news fast ... When have time to monitor it

:cool:

[omahacolt]

Not sure how you meant that question? 2 answers

1. I just copied it and then pasted it ...
2. I kinda like it, get lot of news fast ... When have time to monitor it

:cool:

Best way for news imo

[Coltsalr]

@JasonLaCanfora
Dontari Poe in high demand. Visits Colts Sun, JAX, ATL, OAK and MIA wants visits as well. If Indy doesn't come correct he'll be traveling


Don't leave without a contract, Ballard.

Yes, I'm aware that he's overrated. Our current NT not only sucks (imo) but he's also facing 5 years prison time. We could do a whole hell of a lot worse than giving him a prove it contract. We probably WILL do a lot worse without him.

[Dam8610]

Your opinion of a players ability means nothing to me

What a coincedence.

1) The feeling is mutual.

2) I don't really give a shit what you think.

[Dam8610]

It's baffling how few GMs seem to understand the value of trades. If you have a #good team, known quality (players you trade for) are far more often better than draft picks (unknown quality).

I don't blame the Colts, for instance, for acquiring draft capital, because they need to create a roster / culture / youth movement. So it makes sense for them.

But why the hell the Chiefs, for instance, aren't all over the trade market is beyond me.

Trading away draft picks for players is a great way to end up with an aging, overpaid roster.

[Dam8610]

@JasonLaCanfora
Dontari Poe in high demand. Visits Colts Sun, JAX, ATL, OAK and MIA wants visits as well. If Indy doesn't come correct he'll be traveling


Don't leave without a contract, Ballard.

Yes, I'm aware that he's overrated. Our current NT not only sucks (imo) but he's also facing 5 years prison time. We could do a whole hell of a lot worse than giving him a prove it contract. We probably WILL do a lot worse without him.

Hopefully Poe won't leave Indy on Sunday.

[omahacolt]

Trading away draft picks for players is a great way to end up with an aging, overpaid roster.

Not exactly. Depends who you trade for

[GoBigBlue88]

Trading away draft picks for players is a great way to end up with an aging, overpaid roster.

If I can give up a pick just to move back 10-20 selections, and get a known quantity in return, I do it almost every time.

This assumes your pro scouting department is capable, though.

[natagu23]

@JasonLaCanfora
Dontari Poe in high demand. Visits Colts Sun, JAX, ATL, OAK and MIA wants visits as well. If Indy doesn't come correct he'll be traveling


Don't leave without a contract, Ballard.

Yes, I'm aware that he's overrated. Our current NT not only sucks (imo) but he's also facing 5 years prison time. We could do a whole hell of a lot worse than giving him a prove it contract. We probably WILL do a lot worse without him.

He's definitely overrated but if he can play like he did his rookie season, then I wouldn't mind over paying.

Poe can make Pagano's whole 3-4 sh*t actually work.

Then imagine getting Barnett in the draft and Henry Anderson and Langford fully bouncing back? wowzers.

[GoBigBlue88]

He's definitely overrated but if he can play like he did his rookie season, then I wouldn't mind over paying.

Poe can make Pagano's whole 3-4 sh*t actually work.

Then imagine getting Barnett in the draft and Henry Anderson and Langford fully bouncing back? wowzers.

Then they would still have no corners other than Vontae, and be starting TJ Green at safety...

It's gonna be a work in progress no matter what.

[sherck]

Day 3 / Day 4 Targets:

OG:
T.J. Lang
Austin Pasztor

NT:
Dontari Poe

ILB:
Dont'a Hightower
Zach Brown
Gerald Hodges
Kevin Minter

Safety:
J.J. Wilcox
Isa Abdul-Quddas
Bradley McDougald

CB:
Morris Clayborn
Darius Butler
Nickell-Robey Coleman

Thats sbout it for 1st phase of free agency.

Grab Poe, an ILB and a secondary guy and it will have been an excellent free agency week.

Cheers,


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[Brylok]

Are we desperate for Poe now after the Parry video? Are we completely screwed at the NT position?

[VeveJones007]

Then they would still have no corners other than Vontae, and be starting TJ Green at safety...

It's gonna be a work in progress no matter what.

I trust the guy that scouted Charles Tillman and Marcus Peters to find good corners.

[VeveJones007]

Day 3 / Day 4 Targets:

OG:
T.J. Lang
Austin Pasztor

NT:
Dontari Poe

ILB:
Dont'a Hightower
Zach Brown
Gerald Hodges
Kevin Minter

Safety:
J.J. Wilcox
Isa Abdul-Quddas
Bradley McDougald

CB:
Morris Clayborn
Darius Butler
Nickell-Robey Coleman

Thats sbout it for 1st phase of free agency.

Grab Poe, an ILB and a secondary guy and it will have been an excellent free agency week.

Cheers,


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1st - Barnett, Harris, or Riddick
2nd - McMillan or CB

Suddenly the defense could be stabilized. If Luck is healthy, then this team will look infinitely better in year 1.

[natagu23]

Day 3 / Day 4 Targets:

OG:
T.J. Lang
Austin Pasztor

NT:
Dontari Poe

ILB:
Dont'a Hightower
Zach Brown
Gerald Hodges
Kevin Minter

Safety:
J.J. Wilcox
Isa Abdul-Quddas
Bradley McDougald

CB:
Morris Clayborn
Darius Butler
Nickell-Robey Coleman

Thats sbout it for 1st phase of free agency.

Grab Poe, an ILB and a secondary guy and it will have been an excellent free agency week.

Cheers,


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How much money do we have left?

[natagu23]

Hightower has to be a priority target.

We have to get a stud in the middle.

[sherck]

How much money do we have left?
The details of Sheards' contract have not been released yet but multiple reports are saying that he will be paid $10m in first year.

Taking that number, the Colts have right at $30m left to sign new free agents and still pay the practice squad, pay the draft class, pay #52 & #53 on the active roster and have in season "churn" space.

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[sherck]

Are we desperate for Poe now after the Parry video? Are we completely screwed at the NT position?
There are some nice kids in the draft so we are not completely screwed but Poe and a rookie is a MUCH better solution then Kerr and a rookie or 2 rookies.

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[Indiana V2]

Other than Poe has anyone seen where we've set up meetings with other free agents?

[HoosierinFL]

I think Poe is a colt. Ballard would not invite him if he didn't want him. Few guys who visit leave Indy without a deal, guys seem to like the org when they meet everybody.

[Dewey 5]

I think Poe is a colt. Ballard would not invite him if he didn't want him. Few guys who visit leave Indy without a deal, guys seem to like the org when they meet everybody.

Just don't over pay for him.

[Dewey 5]

Trading away draft picks for players is a great way to end up with an aging, overpaid roster.

Cooks is only 23. The cheats hold the 5th year option. The cheats have the NFL figured out better than everyone else. I hate them. They will be in the SB again next year.

[omahacolt]

Just don't over pay for him.

Who cares at this point? He is a good player and we can afford to overpay some

[Dam8610]

Just don't over pay for him.

Overpay this year to get a reasonable remainder of the contract.

[njcoltfan]

I still would like to see the Colts sign Minter or Brown.

[HoosierinFL]

Who cares at this point? He is a good player and we can afford to overpay some

Yep, esp since it is likely to be a 1 year " prove it" deal.

[smitty46953]

Other than Poe has anyone seen where we've set up meetings with other free agents?

Have not heard of any here, other than Poe ... :cool:

[smitty46953]

Looks like Walden not coming back ... :cool:


Erik Walden‏Verified account
@E_Ninety3

I'll like to give thanks to Irsay Family and the entire Colts Organization for four great years of memories and relationships that will last

[Hoopsdoc]

Looks like Walden not coming back ... :cool:


Erik Walden‏Verified account
@E_Ninety3

I'll like to give thanks to Irsay Family and the entire Colts Organization for four great years of memories and relationships that will last

He took a lot of crap for that contract but ended up being a solid, reliable guy on the field.

Thanks for the memories, Erik.

[Hoopsdoc]

Who cares at this point? He is a good player and we can afford to overpay some

Yep. Don't let him leave without a contract, because if he does, with so many other teams interested, he won't be back.

Ballards history with him is a plus, IMO.

[omahacolt]

Yep. Don't let him leave without a contract, because if he does, with so many other teams interested, he won't be back.

Ballards history with him is a plus, IMO.

which is why i trust ballard here. he knows exactly what he is buying.

[FatDT]

which is why i trust ballard here. he knows exactly what he is buying.

Yeah. If he gets this one wrong it'll be hard to trust his judgement on anything. For now there's no reason to doubt whatever choice he makes here.

[Coltsalr]

Yeah. If he gets this one wrong it'll be hard to trust his judgement on anything. For now there's no reason to doubt whatever choice he makes here.

That was probably the first tell, when Pagano/Grigson brought over guys they were familiar with (Zbikowski, Winston Justice, etc) and they sucked.

[FatDT]

That was probably the first tell, when Pagano/Grigson brought over guys they were familiar with (Zbikowski, Winston Justice, etc) and they sucked.

Good point. It happened multiple times with both.

Justice, McGlynn, Cole, Herremans for Grigson. Zbikowski, McKinney, Jones for Pagano. Was Redding really the only guy from the group that worked out?

[Wyatt]

Butler is visiting the bears

[Hoopsdoc]

which is why i trust ballard here. he knows exactly what he is buying.

I'm trying to think, when was the last time the Colts had a DT who made a pro bowl at some point in his career? Cory Simon? Did Booger ever make a pro bowl? I'm fairly certain Raheem Brock never did.

Someone help me out, I'm drawing a blank here.

Edit-Tommy Harris did, but never played a regular season game in Indy.

[VeveJones007]

Cooks is only 23. The cheats hold the 5th year option. The cheats have the NFL figured out better than everyone else. I hate them. They will be in the SB again next year.

Old QBs can take one hit and then never be the same. Look how quickly PM dropped off late in 2014. Counting on Brady to be great very much longer is a big ????

[VeveJones007]

which is why i trust ballard here. he knows exactly what he is buying.

And it sounds like NT isn't deep in this draft. A short-term deal for Poe doesn't address the position long-term, but it adds an asset that they could then tag or extend if he proves to be healthy and good.

[omahacolt]

That was probably the first tell, when Pagano/Grigson brought over guys they were familiar with (Zbikowski, Winston Justice, etc) and they sucked.

But we paid those guys like they sucked. We all knew it

[VeveJones007]

Yeah. If he gets this one wrong it'll be hard to trust his judgement on anything. For now there's no reason to doubt whatever choice he makes here.

If Ballard signs Poe for 1 year, then it's a low risk signing and should not be given the degree of importance you're placing on it.

[Butter]

Donkeys sign Kerr and Peko.

[Spike]

Butler should have been signed by now. Last year he proved that he can play safety while still retaining a nose for the football which has always been an unappreciated strength of his. What's more, we know exactly what we have in him. Why replace him with a jag? Even if we draft a safety he would be a reliable backup and a positive veteran influence in the secondary. Can't imagine he would command an unacceptable contract.

Some dipshit projected 3 years, $11.4M with $3.7M guaranteed. I have to agree that is probably the range where Butler will sign. If so, I would have liked to have him back for that price.

[smitty46953]

Some dipshit projected 3 years, $11.4M with $3.7M guaranteed. I have to agree that is probably the range where Butler will sign. If so, I would have liked to have him back for that price.

I would give him that, oh wait a minute I don't have that much ... I could give him $2.58 and 20 minutes with Omaha's better half ... :cool:

[Puck]

I am kind of interested in Trumaine Johnson for our 2nd. He is proven but of course he has a cost associated with him.

I like the idea of drafting players but but this team needs pieces now. I would hope it would end up as good as the VD trade.

Like Omaha said in an earlier post. (Paraphrase). We have holes and money so it isn't that big of a deal if we overspend a little to get what we need.

[Puck]

Fluker is a Giant.

[sherck]

What is up with the ILBs? Hightower, Brown, Hodges, Riley, Minter. None signed.

Come on, Ballard. Get one.

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[sherck]

Day 4 hopes:

Poe, Butler, one of the ILBs.

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[Puck]

Day 4 hopes:

Poe, Butler, one of the ILBs.

Cheers,

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I dont think they are bringing Butler back. I think they are going to give Green a shot.

Again I dont think this is a win it all or bust season... its more about restructuring instead of rebuilding. I think the older guys are going to be disappearing

[omahacolt]

I dont think they are bringing Butler back. I think they are going to give Green a shot.

Again I dont think this is a win it all or bust season... its more about restructuring instead of rebuilding. I think the older guys are going to be disappearing

They will bring butler back at the right price.

[Puck]

They will bring butler back at the right price.

I'm not opposed to it, Just thinking if they were going to they would have. Not sure why the wait

[Puck]

I wonder if the hold up on Butler is if he wants CB money and they want to pay Safety money. I wonder how much difference the pay is?

[omahacolt]

I wonder if the hold up on Butler is if he wants CB money and they want to pay Safety money. I wonder how much difference the pay is?

They were in talks. So they must be far off on price

[Colt Classic]

I wonder if the hold up on Butler is if he wants CB money and they want to pay Safety money. I wonder how much difference the pay is?

Wouldn't it be either starting safety or nickel corner? I wouldn't want him as a starter on the outside because he isn't as valuable or as good there. Let him walk if someone else wants to play/pay him to be a starting CB.

[Puck]

Wouldn't it be either starting safety or nickel corner? I wouldn't want him as a starter on the outside because he isn't as valuable or as good there. Let him walk if someone else wants to play/pay him to be a starting CB.



Yes. Slot. BUt he is versatile so he may be wanting paid to match that versatility

He has experience and could/should be one of the leaders on the D and if he plays Safety this yr it would give Green another yr to learn. Green was not very good last yr but neither was Collins his first yr. I am not saying Green can be Landin Collins, but he could be better this yr

[apballin]

What about a Claiborne, similar to Vontae at the point of his career he came here and turned things around

[omahacolt]

What about a Claiborne, similar to Vontae at the point of his career he came here and turned things around

no

he isn't very good

[GoBigBlue88]

https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/840932906407202816

Dontari Poe en route to Indy for 1st visit. Colts want him long term but that'll take big $. Poe willing to go 1yr route. ATL, MIA, OAK next


Interesting that Colts want Poe long-term.

[YDFL Commish]

Most of the CB's left on the market are zone guys that really don't fit our system.

[Puck]

Jason La Canfora‏ @JasonLaCanfora

Dontati Poe en route to Indy for 1st visit. Colts want him long term but that'll take big $. Poe willing to go 1yr route. ATL, MIA, OAK next


I wonder if he is in Irsay's jet? That would mean they are serious

[Puck]

Josina Anderson‏ @JosinaAnderson
Spoke to Dontari Poe last night. He said he's "looking forward " to visiting the #Colts. "They're trying to get something done," he added.

[njcoltfan]

Jason La Canfora‏ @JasonLaCanfora

Dontati Poe en route to Indy for 1st visit. Colts want him long term but that'll take big $. Poe willing to go 1yr route. ATL, MIA, OAK next


I wonder if he is in Irsay's jet? That would mean they are serious

to me the bigger question is.................... does he have a ticket to leave ....

[omahacolt]

if we get poe

that will go a long way with me in determining if ballard had a successful free agent season. adding talent to the dline is always a plus in my book. the best pass rushers never came free so this was the next best step

[Lov2fish]

If Poe is back close to what he was I would love to see him signed even if he is slightly over paid. Big dudes that take up space and command attention from opposing D-Coordinators don't fall of trees

[omahacolt]

so if we get poe, which i think we will, where does that leave us?

get an ilber

- brown, hodges

get a cb

-butler (hopefully he comes back)
- not sure who i feel is next best here.

safety

-that kid from buffalo that they released
- webb? was he decent at safety for baltimore?

[Puck]

so if we get poe, which i think we will, where does that leave us?

get an ilber

- brown, hodges

get a cb

-butler (hopefully he comes back)
- not sure who i feel is next best here.

safety

-that kid from buffalo that they released
- webb? was he decent at safety for baltimore?

TJ McDonald at safety???

[njcoltfan]

so if we get poe, which i think we will, where does that leave us?

get an ilber

- brown, hodges

get a cb

-butler (hopefully he comes back)
- not sure who i feel is next best here.

safety

-that kid from buffalo that they released
- webb? was he decent at safety for baltimore?

Lets sign Poe first, then sign either Minter or Brown, then this off- season would be an A+ as far as I'm concerned !!!

[Puck]

if we get poe

that will go a long way with me in determining if ballard had a successful free agent season. adding talent to the dline is always a plus in my book. the best pass rushers never came free so this was the next best step

I'll be honest. I don't think Poe alone is enough. I'd like them to look at Bennie Logan, Hankins, and Odrick.

I think Parry is gone, I think they need to upgrade Jones, and I am not completely confident in Andersen. But I do like Ridgeway.

Still have money left. We need players. Go get them

[natagu23]

so if we get poe, which i think we will, where does that leave us?

get an ilber

- brown, hodges

get a cb

-butler (hopefully he comes back)
- not sure who i feel is next best here.

safety

-that kid from buffalo that they released
- webb? was he decent at safety for baltimore?


Resigning Butler has to be a priority. Im willing to go "as-is" at the safety spot if we can get Butler back. Maybe draft another safety in the 4th or 5th round to get depth.

I would love for us to go after Zach Brown at ILB. The guy is solid.

Corner should be addressed in the 2nd round of the draft imo, and again later in the draft.

[Puck]

Resigning Butler has to be a priority. Im willing to go "as-is" at the safety spot if we can get Butler back. Maybe draft another safety in the 4th or 5th round to get depth.

I would love for us to go after Zach Brown at ILB. The guy is solid.

Corner should be addressed in the 2nd round of the draft imo, and again later in the draft.


Two rookies and Melvin does not give me a lot of confidence. Need at least one more VFA at CB

[natagu23]

I'll be honest. I don't think Poe alone is enough. I'd like them to look at Bennie Logan, Hankins, and Odrick.

I think Parry is gone, I think they need to upgrade Jones, and I am not completely confident in Andersen. But I do like Ridgeway.

Still have money left. We need players. Go get them

If we get Poe, I think the dline will be one of the strongest units on the team. I think Anderson will be fine. He had flashes last season, and he'll learn to trust his injured knee.

If Jones can pull it together, the dline could be actually be very good.

[Puck]

If we get Poe, I think the dline will be one of the strongest units on the team. I think Anderson will be fine. He had flashes last season, and he'll learn to trust his injured knee.

If Jones can pull it together, the dline could be actually be very good.


But if you can upgrade Jones' position with a reasonable amount of money and get younger that is the way to go IMO.

I'M TIRED OF GETTING KIILED BY THE RUN!!!!!

[Puck]

Pat McAfee‏ @PatMcAfeeShow

.@PoeMans_dream.. welcome 2 Indy boss..it's 30 degrees 2day, will be 80 2morrow..12's ur QB..The Indy 500's on the horizon..this is home man
12:40 PM · Mar 12, 2017

[GoBigBlue88]

so if we get poe, which i think we will, where does that leave us?

get an ilber

- brown, hodges

get a cb

-butler (hopefully he comes back)
- not sure who i feel is next best here.

safety

-that kid from buffalo that they released
- webb? was he decent at safety for baltimore?

I think the Poe contract would mostly leave them to solving as much as they can for the rest via the draft.

Would have to think ILB, EDGE and CB would be the big draft targets. Would be hard to argue against any.

If this team had another Day 2 pick, I might even argue a case where they trade up for Reuben Foster...

[smitty46953]

Resigning Butler has to be a priority. Im willing to go "as-is" at the safety spot if we can get Butler back. Maybe draft another safety in the 4th or 5th round to get depth.

I would love for us to go after Zach Brown at ILB. The guy is solid.

Corner should be addressed in the 2nd round of the draft imo, and again later in the draft.

I agree, love to have Zach Brown ... :cool:

[omahacolt]

TJ McDonald at safety???

I am looking for more of a coverage guy

[natagu23]

Man im really hoping we can ink this guy.

[FatDT]

The most-informed Chiefs writing I've read shows the following narrative:

- Poe was at the top of the league for a season and change. Game changer rushing the passer while still playing the run well.
- His injury and surgery really held him back the last two seasons. He played through it, but his play suffered.
- It's unclear when/if he'll get back to 2014 form.
- If he doesn't, he's still a good player. The Chiefs run defense was bad because of injury their starting LBs and DL. Poe was not dominant, but he did his job and got no help.

Lots of risk in signing him long-term.

[smitty46953]

OG @TJLang70 has agreed to a 3 year contract with the @Lions :cool:

Was kinda hoping he might come here ...

[omahacolt]

I think the Poe contract would mostly leave them to solving as much as they can for the rest via the draft.

Would have to think ILB, EDGE and CB would be the big draft targets. Would be hard to argue against any.

If this team had another Day 2 pick, I might even argue a case where they trade up for Reuben Foster...

Poe really going to eat up the rest of our cap?

[smitty46953]

Poe really going to eat up the rest of our cap?

Using Shercks number from blog post, we still have $40 million in cap space for Free Agents, so I hope not :cool:

[smitty46953]

Buccaneers sign safety J.J. Wilcox … via @Bucs_Nation :cool:

[natagu23]

Poe really going to eat up the rest of our cap?

I read that and thought the same thing.

I dont think so

[natagu23]

Reports are that Poe is close to signing.

Do something Ballard!

[Spike]

TJ McDonald at safety???

Probably not.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/12/t-j-mcdonald-pleads-guilty-to-reckless-driving-involving-drugs-or-alcohol/

[natagu23]

Once we're done inking Poe, we need to get on the phone with Zach Brown's agent.

[sherck]

Using Shercks number from blog post, we still have $40 million in cap space for Free Agents, so I hope not :cool:
No. After Sheard's numbers and paying for the extra 4th round pick, we are just over $30m left to sign as "new" money.

Which is still plenty for Poe, an ILB and a secondary dude. And $5m more available if we cut Jones.

Cheers,

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[natagu23]

Probably not.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/12/t-j-mcdonald-pleads-guilty-to-reckless-driving-involving-drugs-or-alcohol/

Meh. We have invested a couple of high draft picks at safety. We really dont need to be spending cap space there.

Its time for those young bloods to take center stage. Draft another safety in the 4th or 5th just for a little insurance.

[omahacolt]

Meh. We have invested a couple of high draft picks at safety. We really dont need to be spending cap space there.

Its time for those young bloods to take center stage. Draft another safety in the 4th or 5th just for a little insurance.

No. I can't go in with no viable option other than green.

[sherck]

Meh. We have invested a couple of high draft picks at safety. We really dont need to be spending cap space there.

Its time for those young bloods to take center stage. Draft another safety in the 4th or 5th just for a little insurance.
I would not mind having Butler as a safety valuve for both CB and safety along with a 4th round draft pick as Safety4. Butler is quality even if he is now north of 30 years old.

Cheers,

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[natagu23]

No. I can't go in with no viable option other than green.

Resign Butler.

Geathers and Green are the future. Green has to show he can play football and that he is more than just an athlete.

If not, cut his ass.

[natagu23]

That Poe deal is almost finalized.

Sherck, standby. Need those numbers crunched once we get details.

[sherck]

That Poe deal is almost finalized.

Sherck, standby. Need those numbers crunched once we get details.
Roger, roger.

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[DrSpaceman]

Would be awesome to sign Poe.

If Anderson could return to rookie form could start having a real DL

[ukcolt]

Some young free agents with the potential to continue to develop that I wouldn’t mind us taking a look at for depth purposes and potential 1 year prove it deals. All of the dollar amounts shown are what each players cap hit for 2016 was.

WR’s
Michael Floyd, 27 – Pats $1.3, he has produced in the past for the Saints but has seemed to cruise on his talent alone. But maybe having spent the last half of the season in Patriotland and winning a Superbowl he may be ready to dedicate himself to earn a big contract after this season. I believe he could be a great pickup at a not too expensive price.

Cordarrelle Patterson, 26 - Vikings $2.3m, he is a tremendous return guy, who has yet to really blossom as a receiver, but I would love to see him with Luck as our No.3 guy. I would hope he wouldn’t be horrifically expensive as most of his previous production has been as a special teams guy. He only has 1300 yards at an average of 10 yards per catch in 4 seasons.

TE’s
Gavin Escobar, 26 – Dallas $1.3m Here is a guy who has been stuck behind one of the greatest TE’s to ever play the game in Jason Witten, he only has 30 receptions for 333 yards but has hit pay dirt an impressive 8 times. He is a player who given a chance could be a breakout player, and shouldn’t cost the earth.

Larry Donnell, 28 – Giants $1.7m Isn’t much of a blocking TE and not a vertical threat, but someone with decent hands, who could come in at veteran minimum.

ILB
Manti Te'o, 26 Chargers $1.6m run stuffer only, a liability in coverage, but is still young and could be a steady performer in the middle on run downs.

OLB
Jelani Jenkins, 25 - Dolphins $1.8m will be 25 tomorrow so still a young guy who has played in 53 games with 34 starts (all of those 34 being over the last 3 years). He hasn’t been a difference maker but as a depth guy who wouldn’t break the bank he could provide valuable depth.

Jarvis Jones, 27, - Steelers $2.8m, when he was drafted back in 2013 he was one of the guys I really wanted us to take, but alas the Steelers took him a few picks before us and we ended up with Werner. He has started 35 of 50 games played, but really hasn’t produced anything close to what was projected of him coming out of college with only 6 career sacks. Maybe a change of scenery will help his career blossom. I would happily take a flyer on him at a reasonable contract on a 1 year deal for about $2m.

Alex Okafor, 26 – Cards $1.8m a guy who lost his starting job this past season, but who in the two seasons prior to that in 26 games compiled 10 sacks.

CB
Morris Claiborne, 27 – Cowboys $2.7m, is a guy who has started a lot of games, but hasn’t lived up to his billing as a shut down corner coming out of college. I think he has skills, and the speed to defend the deep ball and is someone I think would be an upgrade over everyone barring Davis. I wouldn’t want to sign him to a multi year contract at $8m a year, but would be happy for him to sign a 1 year deal at that rate.

Nickell Robey-Coleman, 25 – Bills $1.6m this is a guy who could be signed as the slot corner at a low level. He isn’t someone who is capable of being a No. 2 corner, he just isn’t big enough to handle the guys on the outside.

[VeveJones007]

I would not mind having Butler as a safety valuve for both CB and safety along with a 4th round draft pick as Safety4. Butler is quality even if he is now north of 30 years old.

Cheers,

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This makes a lot of sense, but I'm not sure Ballard wants to go that route. He probably trusts that he can find more guys like Peters/Tillman/Vashar like he's done in the past.

[GoBigBlue88]

No. After Sheard's numbers and paying for the extra 4th round pick, we are just over $30m left to sign as "new" money.

Which is still plenty for Poe, an ILB and a secondary dude. And $5m more available if we cut Jones.

Cheers,

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I keep forgetting the $5M for Jones. That needs to happen yesterday. You can replicate Jones' production with an UDFA.

[GoBigBlue88]

TE’s
Gavin Escobar, 26 – Dallas $1.3m Here is a guy who has been stuck behind one of the greatest TE’s to ever play the game in Jason Witten, he only has 30 receptions for 333 yards but has hit pay dirt an impressive 8 times. He is a player who given a chance could be a breakout player, and shouldn’t cost the earth.

Larry Donnell, 28 – Giants $1.7m Isn’t much of a blocking TE and not a vertical threat, but someone with decent hands, who could come in at veteran minimum.



IMO, no to any FA TEs. This draft class is loaded. Zero complaints if this team drafts a TE.

[Butter]

this coulI keep forgetting the $5M for Jones. That needs to happen yesterday. You can replicate Jones' production with an UDFA.
This could replace Jones' production.
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=160114&stc=1&d=1332398116

[Butter]

IMO, no to any FA TEs. This draft class is loaded. Zero complaints if this team drafts a TE.
I expect they will draft one, Chud likes him some TEs.

[natagu23]

I expect they will draft one, Chud likes him some TEs.

Chud..... 4th & 1....rb screen??

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/1130358/clemson-mad-o.gif

F**k that guy.

[natagu23]

5 years 72.5 million for Poe.

45.7 million in guarantees.

Sheesh

[George Wonsley]

5 years 72.5 million for Poe.

45.7 million in guarantees.

Sheesh

I think that is fake Schefter account...

[natagu23]

I think that is fake Schefter account...

good

[Butter]

Chud..... 4th & 1....rb screen??

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/1130358/clemson-mad-o.gif

F**k that guy.
That was awful. Chud does use a lot of 2 te sets and read somewhere the Colts ran the most plays with 2 TEs last year.

[natagu23]

this coul
This could replace Jones' production.
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=160114&stc=1&d=1332398116

Let him get to camp and see what happens.

[GoBigBlue88]

I expect they will draft one, Chud likes him some TEs.

I Am Not A Draft Scout disclaimer, but it seems like a lot of the smart draft people are very high on this year's TE class/depth of TE class.

Unrelated to any of this, my one semi-concern (and concern isn't the right word, so acknowledging that up front) so far is that the Colts are a slow, old team in transition. They're transitioning out of the old part. They've yet to transition out of the slow part.

Simon and Sheard (not really counting on Mingo to do anything) are solid signings to field the defense Pagano wants, but they're not really playmakers and don't address the lack of speed & playmaking ability on this defense. They're better than the guys they're replacing, but only insomuch as they're going to be solid.

I really hope this draft unearths some real playmakers. Offense, defense, whatever. But this team needs playmakers, and it needs some speed.

If Ballard was a big part of Marcus Peters & Tyreek Hill landing in KC, I trust he gets that.

[smitty46953]

DT Dontari Poe is expected to visit the @Jaguars Monday

[smitty46953]

Josina Anderson‏Verified account
@JosinaAnderson I'm told DT Dontari Poe's visit w/t #Colts "went well." There's "no deal" at this time. He's scheduled to travel for a visit with the #Jags.



Deals sometimes still happen after players leave without a contract. But it's rare :cool:

[natagu23]

Josina Anderson‏Verified account
@JosinaAnderson I'm told DT Dontari Poe's visit w/t #Colts "went well." There's "no deal" at this time. He's scheduled to travel for a visit with the #Jags.



Deals sometimes still happen after players leave without a contract. But it's rare :cool:

What happened to all that there's a deal getting done sh*t?

[Luck4Reich]

DT Dontari Poe is expected to visit the @Jaguars Monday

Visiting Jagoffs?.. he just want money not winning. Fuck him then.

[Spike]

Josina Anderson‏Verified account
@JosinaAnderson I'm told DT Dontari Poe's visit w/t #Colts "went well." There's "no deal" at this time. He's scheduled to travel for a visit with the #Jags.



Deals sometimes still happen after players leave without a contract. But it's rare :cool:

What the fuck happened? Damn Jags will overpay him. SOB!

[natagu23]

What the fuck happened? Damn Jags will overpay him. SOB!

F**k that guy.

You cant win a bidding war with the Jags

[njcoltfan]

Visiting Jagoffs?.. he just want money not winning. Fuck him then.

Jags have a better chance to win the South than the Colts do

[natagu23]

Jags have a better chance to win the South than the Colts do

With Bortles?

[Coltsalr]

With Bortles?

Without Pagano.

[njcoltfan]

With Bortles?

With their defense and Coughlin running the franchise

[Spike]

With Bortles?

Exactly! The Jags were pre-season favorites to contend last year and won a grand total of 3 games.

[Luck4Reich]

Jags fans on Twitter think they have won SuperBowl with this news... lmao. They are the dumbest fucking fans in all of NFL... and it's hard to be dumber than Cowboys fans... wow!

[natagu23]

With their defense and Coughlin running the franchise

Hate to break it to you, but the Jags are not going anywhere with Bortles as their Qb.

I dont care who's running their franchise.

[njcoltfan]

Hate to break it to you, but the Jags are not going anywhere with Bortles as their Qb.

I dont care who's running their franchise.

We'll see

[Luck4Reich]

We'll see

There is nothing to see... you don't win in the NFL with a shitty fucking QB.. end of discussion!

[Oldcolt]

I take comfort that Ballard doesn't want to overpay for Poe. I don't like "winning" the off season anyway. Most of the time it doesn't pan out in the real season.

[Dewey 5]

There is nothing to see... you don't win in the NFL with a shitty fucking QB.. end of discussion!

Unless you're playing against the colts. We make every qb look like an all-pro.

I'm sure the colts & jags will battle it out for last place.

They might have bad qb play but we have worse coaching.

[Butter]

According to Blue HQ media on twitter
Being told Poe has left the building. Colts didn't want to do a 1 yr deal & he wanted minimum of 5 yrs and $45M. Apparently no deal. #Colts
Hell no to 5/45.

[natagu23]

According to Blue HQ media on twitter

Hell no to 5/45.

Thats not bad imo.

[George Wonsley]

So much would depend on how deal like that was structured....

[omahacolt]

Thats not bad imo.

i am not great at math but that is something like 9 mil a season.


depends on the guarantees. no deal is truly a 5 year deal in that range

[njcoltfan]

According to Blue HQ media on twitter

Hell no to 5/45.

He'll get that from the Jags

[njcoltfan]

So who's our NT, Parry, if he's not in jail ??

[Butter]

Thats not bad imo.

If there were not concerns about his back, sure. A 350 lber with back issues I don't love it, unless the contract was very well structured to get out of by season 3.

[Brylok]

So who's our NT, Parry, if he's not in jail ??
Current Colts DTs: Parry, Anderson, McGill, Ridgeway, Art Jones. That's the roster.

[smitty46953]

Josina Anderson‏Verified account
@JosinaAnderson I'm told DT Dontari Poe's visit w/t #Colts "went well." There's "no deal" at this time. He's scheduled to travel for a visit with the #Jags.



Deals sometimes still happen after players leave without a contract. But it's rare :cool:

and somewhere Art Jones lets out a huge "SIGH" ... :cool:

[FatDT]

$9 million per doesn't seem that bad. So if the Colts wouldn't do it that tells me they're not sure about his back or about his production. Disappointing.

[omahacolt]

$9 million per doesn't seem that bad. So if the Colts wouldn't do it that tells me they're not sure about his back or about his production. Disappointing.

but lets cool off on that rumor though

that asshole is wrong a lot.

[sherck]

Current Colts DTs: Parry, Anderson, McGill, Ridgeway, Art Jones. That's the roster.
NT = Perry (currently)

DE (5 tech) = Jones, Langford, Anderson, Ridgeway, McGill

A couple of nice NT in draft. I don't want to draft 2 but we need good NT play this year.

Cheers,

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[njcoltfan]

NT = Perry (currently)

DE (5 tech) = Jones, Langford, Anderson, Ridgeway, McGill

A couple of nice NT in draft. I don't want to draft 2 but we need good NT play this year.

Cheers,

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So now DL becomes a big need in the draft. Gonna be another long season.

[DrSpaceman]

Why not offer like 3 years 30 million?

Big difference between a one and 5 year deal

[VeveJones007]

If there were not concerns about his back, sure. A 350 lber with back issues I don't love it, unless the contract was very well structured to get out of by season 3.

And this is exactly why a 1 year deal works for the Colts. If he's good and healthy, tag/extend him. If he isn't, then you aren't on the hook after 2017.

[OneVoice]

NFL.com has "IND" interested in Cordarelle Patterson?

Just mentioning it because I haven't seen anything reported.

[Butter]

And this is exactly why a 1 year deal works for the Colts. If he's good and healthy, tag/extend him. If he isn't, then you aren't on the hook after 2017.

Right, I would feel much more comfortable with that. I suppose any contract could be structered to basically leave that flexibility, but I suspect he wants some major money guaranteed for a multi year deal, and who an really blame him.

[rcubed]

Right, I would feel much more comfortable with that. I suppose any contract could be structered to basically leave that flexibility, but I suspect he wants some major money guaranteed for a multi year deal, and who an really blame him.

Yeah, i bet he is looking for as much guaranteed money as possible as this could be his last chance to cash in

[FatDT]

Yeah, i bet he is looking for as much guaranteed money as possible as this could be his last chance to cash in

He's only 26. If he's healthy enough to warrant a contract now he has as good a chance as anyone to earn another contract after this one.

[Butter]

He's only 26. If he's healthy enough to warrant a contract now he has as good a chance as anyone to earn another contract after this one.

The "If" is the overriding concern. 350 lbs suspect back.

[Wyatt]

https://i.imgur.com/P5f1Bsv.png?1

some jack wagon changed his wiki page (it's already been changed back)

[sherck]

Jags fans on Twitter think they have won SuperBowl with this news... lmao. They are the dumbest fucking fans in all of NFL... and it's hard to be dumber than Cowboys fans... wow!
Holy Cow. From Peter King's MMQB:
• Testing Shad Khan’s patience. The Jags committing $541 million to free agents in 25 months. This is the third straight year we’ll think, This is the year they turn the corner. But we still have no idea if they’ll be any good.

• Unrestricted free agents signed by Jacksonville since March 2015: 19.

• Total contract dollars committed to those free agents: $541.2 million.

• Actual dollars spent so far on 2015 and ’16 free agents: $128.6 million.

• Jacksonville’s record since March 2015: 8-24.
Those are amazing numbers.

The Jags are the 201Xs version of the 2000s Dan Synder Washington Redskins.

Let's see if Ballard is wrong and you CAN buy a locker room.

Cheers,

[ukcolt]

I would like to have a healthy Poe on our defense, but i am happy with how Ballard has approached free agency. He has a figure in mind and has stuck to it, he isn't going to get into risky contracts. I also have no issue with Poe taking other visits to see what's out there and if he decides that his best situation is with the Colts then great.

People seem to think that every player plays this game to win a Superbowl, that is the icing on the cake for a player, but ultimately he is looking after himself and his family and needs to take the situation that best suits him, be that financial or being closer to family etc.

We as fans in our everyday work life move companies to further our careers, and generally have little loyalty to a company....why do we think that players shouldn't think this way as well? They are a commodity, and need to try to maximise their earnings over what is usually a short career. Sure we have an undivided loyalty to our team, but these players might be drafted by a team that when they were growing up was the team they despised as a fan.

[Spike]

Holy Cow. From Peter King's MMQB:

Those are amazing numbers.

The Jags are the 201Xs version of the 2000s Dan Synder Washington Redskins.

Let's see if Ballard is wrong and you CAN buy a locker room.

Cheers,

Add in the fact that the Jags are always near the top of the draft and you would think they would have fielded a contender by now.

[indycolts2]

I would like to have a healthy Poe on our defense, but i am happy with how Ballard has approached free agency. He has a figure in mind and has stuck to it, he isn't going to get into risky contracts. I also have no issue with Poe taking other visits to see what's out there and if he decides that his best situation is with the Colts then great.

People seem to think that every player plays this game to win a Superbowl, that is the icing on the cake for a player, but ultimately he is looking after himself and his family and needs to take the situation that best suits him, be that financial or being closer to family etc.

We as fans in our everyday work life move companies to further our careers, and generally have little loyalty to a company....why do we think that players shouldn't think this way as well? They are a commodity, and need to try to maximise their earnings over what is usually a short career. Sure we have an undivided loyalty to our team, but these players might be drafted by a team that when they were growing up was the team they despised as a fan.
You could fill in for Dan Lebatard with that take.

[YDFL Commish]

What do you guys think of Jonathan Hankins as a possible younger cheaper alternative to POE?

[Puck]

What do you guys think of Jonathan Hankins as a possible younger cheaper alternative to POE?

Or Bennie Logan

[natagu23]

What do you guys think of Jonathan Hankins as a possible younger cheaper alternative to POE?

Meh

He's not very good but we need a big body with some experience.

[natagu23]

Or Bennie Logan

He'd be a better option

[Puck]

He'd be a better option



Could actually sign them both for less than Poe I bet

[Wyatt]

@AdamSchefter 3m3 minutes ago
After visiting the NY Jets, Patriots free-agent LB Dont'a Hightower is scheduled to visit the Steelers, per source.

@AdamSchefter 28s29 seconds ago
Steelers' LB Jarvis Jones is visiting today with the Arizona Cardinals, per source. Steelers remain interested, still in discussions

[sherck]

What do you guys think of Jonathan Hankins as a possible younger cheaper alternative to POE?
I think Hankins is NFL average and that he is not a true 3-4 0-tech NT.

He is the 4-3 defense 1/2-tech NT that the Giants run. He is more used to being a 1-gap shooter rather than being a 2-gap "stuffer." I think he could fit into a Colts defense well that is in serious need of "SOMEONE" at NT but I don't know that he is a great fit.

Bennie Logan from PHI is also a solid choice for the Colts. He is also a 4-3 defense, 1/2-tech NT that saw some 0-tech NT work this year as PHI ran a bit of a hybrid defense.

Nabbing one of those two guys and then pairing him with a mid-round draft choice rookie would help stabilize our NT spot. Most of the following guys should be available in the 4th or 5th rounds:

Dalvin Tomlinson, Alabama
Elijah Qualls, Washington
Vincent Taylor, Oklahoma State
Eddie Vanderdoes, UCLA
DeAngelo Brown, Louisville

DeAngelo Brown is the one that really intrigues me.

12/26/16 - 2016 ALL-ACC FOOTBALL THIRD TEAM (COACHES): DT DeAngelo Brown, Sr.-R, Louisville (15),...Anchoring the middle of the defense, Brown, a starter in all 12 games, recorded 37 tackles and a team-high 12.0 tackles for loss, while also notching 3.0 sacks. - Louisville Football

Name: DeAngelo Brown
Position: Defensive tackle
School: Louisville
Height/weight: 6-0, 312
Year: Senior
Pros: ESPN Scouts Inc. likes Brown as a "scheme versatile run defender. Pads rise and he gets stood up at times but tends to generate above average initial surge and flashes ability to drive offensive linemen back."

"He's one of the strongest guys I've ever been around," defensive line coach L.D. Scott told the Louisville Courier-Journal. "He is hard to move. You can double- or triple-team, and you're still not going to move him."

Cons: Brown suffered a torn Achilles in summer workouts, which cost him the 2013 season. That surely will be a topic for teams assessing him for the draft.

Projection: Fifth round

ACC analyst John Breitenbach goes to bat for one of the better interior defensive linemen from the conference in Louisville’s DeAngelo Brown. It’s been three years of consistently strong play up front for Brown as he’s shown stout against the run, handling double teams and finishing plays, while flashing just enough as a pass-rusher. Brown has increased his snap count from 353 in 2014, to 595 in 2015, to 743 last season, all while keeping a solid overall grade in the low-80s. He provides a late-round nose tackle option and he’s one of the better players who was not invited to the NFL Combine

I am sure that you can find a lot of positive comments about all the kids that are draftable this year. But I like what I read and see on video about Brown.

Cheers,

[Wyatt]

@AdamSchefter 7m7 minutes ago
Colts LB Erik Walden is visiting the Titans today, per source.

[sherck]

@AdamSchefter 7m7 minutes ago
Colts LB Erik Walden is visiting the Titans today, per source.
I hope they pay him a TON for his "sack master" status because I don't think he will hit that high water mark again.

Suck the money out of their cap, Erik! Do one more good deed for the Colts! :)

Cheers,

[natagu23]

I think Hankins is NFL average and that he is not a true 3-4 0-tech NT.

He is the 4-3 defense 1/2-tech NT that the Giants run. He is more used to being a 1-gap shooter rather than being a 2-gap "stuffer." I think he could fit into a Colts defense well that is in serious need of "SOMEONE" at NT but I don't know that he is a great fit.

Bennie Logan from PHI is also a solid choice for the Colts. He is also a 4-3 defense, 1/2-tech NT that saw some 0-tech NT work this year as PHI ran a bit of a hybrid defense.

Nabbing one of those two guys and then pairing him with a mid-round draft choice rookie would help stabilize our NT spot. Most of the following guys should be available in the 4th or 5th rounds:

Dalvin Tomlinson, Alabama
Elijah Qualls, Washington
Vincent Taylor, Oklahoma State
Eddie Vanderdoes, UCLA
DeAngelo Brown, Louisville

DeAngelo Brown is the one that really intrigues me.







I am sure that you can find a lot of positive comments about all the kids that are draftable this year. But I like what I read and see on video about Brown.

Cheers,

None of those guys are true NTs.

Elijah Qualls who has seen time at NT, has sh*tty work ethic and has the build of a 3 tech.

[Wyatt]

@FalconsKelsey
Dontari Poe is scheduled to visit the #Falcons in the next 24 hours

[sherck]

None of those guys are true NTs.

Elijah Qualls who has seen time at NT, has sh*tty work ethic and has the build of a 3 tech.

Hmmm....that will teach me to grab a list of guys off of Walter Football without checking it over.

You are right, none of the guys on that list played NT in a 3-4 defense with the exception of DeAngelo Brown of Louisville.

Their school depth chart and the video I saw had them in a 3-4 alignment with Brown in the middle on every down I saw.

Back to the drawing board for more options. I still like Brown, however.

Cheers,

[Wyatt]

@pfrumors 38s39 seconds ago
Colts To Meet With LB Kevin Minter http://www.profootballrumors.com/2017/03/colts-visit-lb-kevin-minter …

[sherck]

@pfrumors 38s39 seconds ago
Colts To Meet With LB Kevin Minter http://www.profootballrumors.com/2017/03/colts-visit-lb-kevin-minter …
Solid article by ESPN on Minter
TEMPE, Ariz. – Talk about peaking at the right time.

Arizona Cardinals inside linebacker Kevin Minter is coming off the best season of his four-year career, just in time for free agency. He finished the 2016 season with 81 tackles, a career-high 3.5 sacks, two pass breakups and a career-high 5.5 disrupted dropbacks, according to ESPN Stats & Information. But it was his development as the defense's signal-caller that improved the most since 2013.

“It was just a lot of learning and growing,” Minter said. “Middle linebacker position, you’re the quarterback [of the defense], and like any quarterback you got to learn and develop because you pretty much got to know what everybody’s doing. You got to know, not only your job, but everybody else’s. You got to line everybody up. You got to know all the checks. You got to kind of anticipate what the offense is doing.”

It took Minter years to get to that point, but he’s finally there.

As a rookie in 2013, he learned under Karlos Dansby. In Year 2, he was mentored by Larry Foote. He assumed the starting job in 2015 and blossomed in his role last season, which has allowed him to enter free agency on a career upswing.

“It took me a while to just get stuff down to where I can really be a caller out there, a real leader out there,” Minter said. “I’ll definitely say it’s an upswing. It’s a hell of an upswing.

“Rookie year, my head was swimming, everything was just super fast. And now everything has slowed down. I’m really into this game, so 'upswing' is definitely an understatement.”

Minter would like to continue his upswing in Arizona.

“Yeah, definitely,” he said. “They groomed me. I’m comfortable here. I love the people here. Really love the community. I would love to be here but it’s not up to me. I’m just going to control what I can control.”

And that’s not free agency. Like the other Cardinals in the 2013 draft class, Minter is experiencing free agency for the first time.

“I’m not necessarily sure how to feel about it,” he said. “I don’t know. It’s a little anxiousness. A little nervousness. Kind of both though. I’m 50/50 on it. I’ve never been in this situation. I’m kinda curious to see how it’s going to play out.”
He is not as good in coverage as I think Hightower, Brown or Hodges would be but he knows the 3-4 defense, could be our defensive QB and would be a good, solid veteran.

He would add stability in the middle and, again, would add another NFL average/good piece to the defense that more and more allows us to pick defensive BPA in each round of the draft.

Cheers,

[natagu23]

Solid article by ESPN on Minter

He is not as good in coverage as I think Hightower, Brown or Hodges would be but he knows the 3-4 defense, could be our defensive QB and would be a good, solid veteran.

He would add stability in the middle and, again, would add another NFL average/good piece to the defense that more and more allows us to pick defensive BPA in each round of the draft.

Cheers,

With the huge hole we have at LB, why not go after the best in Brown?

This team can legitimately compete for the AFC South crown and more if we get good pieces in free agency and a solid draft.

Re-tool. Yes.

Rebuild. No. Grigson f**ked us but not that bad

[Wyatt]

With the huge hole we have at LB, why not go after the best in Brown?

This team can legitimately compete for the AFC South crown and more if we get good pieces in free agency and a solid draft.

Re-tool. Yes.

Rebuild. No. Grigson f**ked us but not that bad

While it's easy to nitpick every move that Ballard is making (or isn't), we only see a little bit of what is going on.

Perhaps we can't see the forest for the trees so to speak.

[sherck]

While I prefer Brown or Hodges, I will trust Ballard until he shows that he should not be trusted.

So far, he is doing fine.

Cheers,

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[rcubed]

While it's easy to nitpick every move that Ballard is making (or isn't), we only see a little bit of what is going on.

Perhaps we can't see the forest for the trees so to speak.

what are you talking about!? the members on this board know far more than NFL front office guys.

[Wyatt]

@AdamSchefter 56s56 seconds ago
To fill expected void, Chiefs and former Eagles DT Bennie Logan reach agreement on 1-year deal, per source. Looks like Dontari Poe moves on.

[sherck]

@AdamSchefter 56s56 seconds ago
To fill expected void, Chiefs and former Eagles DT Bennie Logan reach agreement on 1-year deal, per source. Looks like Dontari Poe moves on.
Well, darn it.

The well is drying up at NT.

Draft class, here we come.

Cheers,

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[GoBigBlue88]

Guys, this team has a billion needs. They're not fixing everything in one offseason.

[smitty46953]

Jason La Canfora‏Verified account
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Some movement on the RB market: Robert Turbin is going back to Indy. 2yr deal worth up to $4.1M

:cool:

[Puck]

Guys, this team has a billion needs. They're not fixing everything in one offseason.

Depends on how you define "Fixing". It appears that every crucial position as far as needling upgraded is being addressed on defense. NT CB and S are the areas that are left.

Think Jones is staying to help the new Guys learn this D

OT and OG and TE offense is in prey good shape.

Next yr there will be more needs that open up and the cycle continues


Ballard has adept on more moves Tami ever expected and is still working on things

[smitty46953]

Personally I am not as comfortable with our right side of the offensive line as most. :cool:

[Puck]

Personally I am not as comfortable with our right side of the offensive line as most. :cool:


I'm not either. But there aren't really any upgrades in FA. maybe they bring Thornton back??

They either trust Clark or he will get replaced in the draft....

Any chance the can make a trade? Dorsett maybe?

[Puck]

Jason La Canfora‏Verified account
@JasonLaCanfora

Some movement on the RB market: Robert Turbin is going back to Indy. 2yr deal worth up to $4.1M

:cool:

This makes us set at RB IMO. no more need to even think about taking one early in the draft.

Ballard is doing some good work on paper

[Dam8610]

This makes us set at RB IMO. no more need to even think about taking one early in the draft.

Ballard is doing some good work on paper

Christine Michael is a guy I'd like them to look at. Shouldn't be as expensive as Lacy, but should provide similar production.

[Dewey 5]

Depends on how you define "Fixing". It appears that every crucial position as far as needling upgraded is being addressed on defense. NT CB and S are the areas that are left.

Think Jones is staying to help the new Guys learn this D

OT and OG and TE offense is in prey good shape.

Next yr there will be more needs that open up and the cycle continues


Ballard has adept on more moves Tami ever expected and is still working on things

Hopefully a HC will be one of those needs.

[Dewey 5]

Christine Michael is a guy I'd like them to look at. Shouldn't be as expensive as Lacy, but should provide similar production.

I wouldn't want Lacy if he were played for a $1.00. Fat & lazy. We had that once.

[natagu23]

Jason La Canfora‏Verified account
@JasonLaCanfora

Some movement on the RB market: Robert Turbin is going back to Indy. 2yr deal worth up to $4.1M

:cool:

Good deal. I like Turbin.

I wish he got more touches last year.

[Spike]

Hopefully a HC will be one of those needs.

It will be, you can't fix stupid!

[Spike]

Depends on how you define "Fixing". It appears that every crucial position as far as needling upgraded is being addressed on defense. NT CB and S are the areas that are left.

Think Jones is staying to help the new Guys learn this D

OT and OG and TE offense is in prey good shape.

Next yr there will be more needs that open up and the cycle continues


Ballard has adept on more moves Tami ever expected and is still working on things

You typing in code now Puck, or did the Russian's hack your account?

[rcubed]

^^^ probably getting his drink on.

[FatDT]

Christine Michael is a guy I'd like them to look at. Shouldn't be as expensive as Lacy, but should provide similar production.

Seems too dumb to pick up a playbook. There's a reason teams keep giving up on him.

[smitty46953]

Report: Colts hosted DL Margus Hunt, C Brian Schwenke on visits

:cool:

[FatDT]

Hunt is one of those guys that's a great athlete, big and strong, but just isn't very good at football. I doubt we'll sign him.

Schwenke is a former Pats center, right?

[natagu23]

Report: Colts hosted DL Margus Hunt, C Brian Schwenke on visits

:cool:

Margus Hunt is ass.

Brian Schmuck...yeah...no

[smitty46953]

Hunt is one of those guys that's a great athlete, big and strong, but just isn't very good at football. I doubt we'll sign him.

Schwenke is a former Pats center, right?

I think Schwenke was a disappointment to the Titans ... :cool:

[rcubed]

come on ballard, dont go grigson on us.

[natagu23]

come on ballard, dont go grigson on us.

Thats what i was thinking.

[YDFL Commish]

Christine Michael is a guy I'd like them to look at. Shouldn't be as expensive as Lacy, but should provide similar production.

Why? What has he done, but fail everywhere he's been?

[smitty46953]

Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet · 44s45 seconds ago

Source: DE Margus Hunt agreed to terms on a 2 year deal with the Indianapolis Colts


This guy sucked with Bengals ... :cool:

[YDFL Commish]

Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet · 44s45 seconds ago

Source: DE Margus Hunt agreed to terms on a 2 year deal with the Indianapolis Colts


This guy sucked with Bengals ... :cool:

Yeah, but, but, but Pagano and staff will coach him up:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[sherck]

Meh...I cannot believe that Hunt will make it out of camp.

He has been a 4-3 DE his entire career so a transition to OLB or 3-4 DE seems fraught with peril.

He is a bit of kick blocking machine with 3 blocked kicks in 2016 (2 PAT and 1 FG) so perhaps he is a ST body but...

Cheers,

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[smitty46953]

Hunt is one of those guys that's a great athlete, big and strong, but just isn't very good at football. I doubt we'll sign him.



We did .... Has shown nothing in 4 years with Bengals !!! :cool:

[sherck]

We did .... Has shown nothing in 4 years with Bengals !!! :cool:

I read a couple of articles about Hunt. Most were saying that they saw "improvement" and that he was good on Special Teams.

But, he now has to bulk up to be a 3-4 DE or slim down to be a 3-4 OLB; neither position has he played before.

I see this as a Special Teams signing.

Cheers,

[Dam8610]

I read a couple of articles about Hunt. Most were saying that they saw "improvement" and that he was good on Special Teams.

But, he now has to bulk up to be a 3-4 DE or slim down to be a 3-4 OLB; neither position has he played before.

I see this as a Special Teams signing.

Cheers,

What are the terms, oh cap guru?

[sherck]

What are the terms, oh cap guru?

I have not seen anything yet.

Cheers,

[Dam8610]

Why? What has he done, but fail everywhere he's been?

Been a successful backup, and better than Turbin.

[smitty46953]

Been a successful backup, and better than Turbin.

Pretty sure opinions will vary on that statement... To me Michael has shown plenty of raw ability, just doesn't know how to play football. :cool:

[apballin]

I read a couple of articles about Hunt. Most were saying that they saw "improvement" and that he was good on Special Teams.

But, he now has to bulk up to be a 3-4 DE or slim down to be a 3-4 OLB; neither position has he played before.

I see this as a Special Teams signing.

Cheers,

Why does a guy that is that strong need to bulk up?

6ft 8 290 he doesn't need to do shit but get on the field

[Puck]

Depends on how you define "Fixing". It appears that every crucial position as far as needling upgraded is being addressed on defense. NT CB and S are the areas that are left.

Think Jones is staying to help the new Guys learn this D

OT and OG and TE offense is in prey good shape.

Next yr there will be more needs that open up and the cycle continues


Ballard has adept on more moves Tami ever expected and is still working on things



Ballard has spent more on FA moves than I ever expected and he is still working on it is what I meant

[Puck]

Per ESPN’s Field Yates, the Colts hosted Hunt and Titans center Brian Schwenke on free agent visits Monday.

[Indiana V2]

Per ESPN’s Field Yates, the Colts hosted Hunt and Titans center Brian Schwenke on free agent visits Monday.

Little late to the party, Puck. :cool:

[Puck]

Little late to the party, Puck. :cool:


Sorry didn't see anything posted about Schwenke

[smitty46953]

Report: Colts hosted DL Margus Hunt, C Brian Schwenke on visits

:cool:
Not sure I understand either of these guys getting signed ??? Both sucked IMHO hopefully can turn it around

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[smitty46953]

Little late to the party, Puck. :cool:
He busy guy ...

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[Puck]

Pagano got ahold of the checkbook when Ballard was in the shitter

[Butter]

Not sure I understand either of these guys getting signed ??? Both sucked IMHO hopefully can turn it around

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Depth/Camp bodies?. It does seem a bit early for that, but whatever.

[GoBigBlue88]

Don't know anything about Schwenke so I won't comment, but between watching a lot of Bengals and following a lot of Bengals analysts ... Hunt is garbage. Like, worse than Bjoern Werner garbage.

If he turns that around, it will be nothing short of a miracle.

Was kinda hoping the "just sign 30-year-old guys" thing would stop with Grigson...

[smitty46953]

Anything on how Kevin Minter interview went with Colts? :cool:

[natagu23]

We need to fire our whole damn scouting department.

[FatDT]

I don't think there's any reason to panic. I doubt Hunt and Schwenke got much money. I'm good with the punter and Sheard and Simon. I'm ok but unimpressed with Mingo. As long as these new guys also did not get paid then they're in the same category.

I still think the only misstep by Ballard was not signing one of the two top guards. FA this year has been pretty weak. I really don't want to overpay/oversign Poe and it seems like we refused to do so. I do think signing a NT and ILB is probably worth doing. That may still happen. But there are no sure fire options. And that's the issue in general. Ballard has to fill out the roster, he can't draft enough players to do that. He has to use FA. But FA kinda sucks this year.

[smitty46953]

Around The NFL‏Verified account @AroundTheNFL · 12s12 seconds ago

Around The NFL Retweeted OAKLAND RAIDERS

It's official: Cordarelle Patterson is a Raider

:cool:

[smitty46953]

Jason La Canfora‏Verified account @JasonLaCanfora · 24s25 seconds ago

Dontari Poe is in Atlanta and will meet with the Falcons in the AM

:cool:

[ukcolt]

The Colts surely have to do something in free agency with regards the defensive backfield? We currently have 5 guys that i think might make the roster and only 2 of those are what i would actually consider to be at a reasonable NFL standard those two being Davis and Geathers. The other 3 are Melvin, who only started by default and wasn't all that great, and should be our 5th or 6th corner, then T.J. Green who looked lost when he played last year, but lets hope that with another training camp that he pulls his head out of his arse and plays to the level that he was drafted, and finally Farley who is borderline NFL talent.

We likely will carry 10 defensive backs on the final roster. That means we need to find 5/6 guys who are better than Farley and Melvin, we might draft 2/3, but that means we need to pickup at least 2 guys, more realistically 3 and possibly 4 via free agency. Although we are trying to get younger, i agree with a lot of people that we should resign Darius Butler, who would fill 2 slots, both the nickle and the main backup at safety.

The other guys currently on the roster include, Andrew Williamson, Stefan McClure, Chris Milton and Charles James II.

This to me is now by far the biggest area of need for the Colts, sure we need a pass rusher and inside linebackers as an upgrade to what we have already signed in free agency.....but we literally have no talent at corner, nor any depth.

[sherck]

The Colts surely have to do something in free agency with regards the defensive backfield? We currently have 5 guys that i think might make the roster and only 2 of those are what i would actually consider to be at a reasonable NFL standard those two being Davis and Geathers. The other 3 are Melvin, who only started by default and wasn't all that great, and should be our 5th or 6th corner, then T.J. Green who looked lost when he played last year, but lets hope that with another training camp that he pulls his head out of his arse and plays to the level that he was drafted, and finally Farley who is borderline NFL talent.

We likely will carry 10 defensive backs on the final roster. That means we need to find 5/6 guys who are better than Farley and Melvin, we might draft 2/3, but that means we need to pickup at least 2 guys, more realistically 3 and possibly 4 via free agency. Although we are trying to get younger, i agree with a lot of people that we should resign Darius Butler, who would fill 2 slots, both the nickle and the main backup at safety.

The other guys currently on the roster include, Andrew Williamson, Stefan McClure, Chris Milton and Charles James II.

This to me is now by far the biggest area of need for the Colts, sure we need a pass rusher and inside linebackers as an upgrade to what we have already signed in free agency.....but we literally have no talent at corner, nor any depth.
I don't disagree with you, but there is not much available anymore at CB that fit a "man up" defensive system. Most of the guys left under 30 years old (Morris Clairborne, Nickell Robey-Coleman, Alterraun Verner, Sterling Moore, Marcus Williams) are either no better than NFL average or are zone CBs who don't fit the system here in Indy.

Now, there are a couple of safety options that I would like to see the Colts kick the tires on (Lardarius Webb who is 31 but the best left, J.J. Wilcox, Bradley McDougald, T.J. McDonald, Daimion Stafford) to add some safety valve / depth along with Green and Geathers.

They may be waiting for the camp cuts to try and fill the CB slots as well after drafting 1 or 2.

Anyway, Ballard talked about building the trenches and that is what he has done so far; defensive front-7 and offensive line (and punter). The secondary is just going to have to wait, apparently.

Cheers,

[Wyatt]

FWIW
None of Ballard's signings/re-signings have been over 29 years old.

[Johanvil]

Kevin Patra‏@kpatra
.@RapSheet says on @gmfb Dontari Poe now likely to sign 1-yr ‘prove-it’ deal wherever he signs
Smart for the team that lands the up-down DT

[Wyatt]

Jason La Canfora‏Verified account @JasonLaCanfora · 24s25 seconds ago

Dontari Poe is in Atlanta and will meet with the Falcons in the AM

:cool:

@JosinaAnderson
I'm told DT Dontari Poe is in Atlanta already. Was greeted by number of fans. He's having dinner tonight with the HC & #Falcons brass. (last night)

[Puck]

@JosinaAnderson
I'm told DT Dontari Poe is in Atlanta already. Was greeted by number of fans. He's having dinner tonight with the HC & #Falcons brass. (last night)

If it's not a numbers thing. He is going to sign with Atlanta. He wants a prove it deal and with that D he will make himself look a lot better.

I'd bet he signs with Atlanta today

[njcoltfan]

If it's not a numbers thing. He is going to sign with Atlanta. He wants a prove it deal and with that D he will make himself look a lot better.

I'd bet he signs with Atlanta today

I guess it's going to be either Poe, or a draft pick playing NT for the Colts this year.

[sherck]

I guess it's going to be either Poe, or a draft pick playing NT for the Colts this year.
I would not count Parry out yet. It will depend on how the legal proceedings go.

But, honestly, I would like the Colts to get two "true" NTs and let Parry (if we retain him) move out to 5-tech DE as I think he has the burst to be effective out there. He is not the proto-typical body type for it but he has given very good service over his first two years in the league.

But, if I am rubbing my crystal ball, I think Parry is gone.

Chees,

[ukcolt]

I disagree regarding Claiborne, i think that he could excel in a man cover system, and that might be exactly what he needs to fulfill his potential. He is actually a fairly aggressive tackler in run support. His biggest issue is that he hasn't been able to stay healthy. He has speed to burn, and his best days could well be ahead of him if he could put together an injury free season.

Alterraun Verner i think would be another nice pickup as the third corner, not as a starter, although i suspect that he would hold his own as well as any No. 2 that we have had in the last few years, but that isn't saying too much.

The rest i do agree that there are meager pickings, but we have to bring in someone to compete and we do still have plenty of cap space left. Claiborne signed a 1 year $3m contract last year and hopefully could be had for something slightly more than this once again. I would also imagine that Verner isn't likely to break the bank in the $3m range. This would still leave us with enough money to compete to sign Poe, assuming we are still interested in him.

[njcoltfan]

I would not count Parry out yet. It will depend on how the legal proceedings go.

But, honestly, I would like the Colts to get two "true" NTs and let Parry (if we retain him) move out to 5-tech DE as I think he has the burst to be effective out there. He is not the proto-typical body type for it but he has given very good service over his first two years in the league.

But, if I am rubbing my crystal ball, I think Parry is gone.

Chees,

If Parry escapes ( no pun intended) jail time, I think he will be jettisoned.

[Wyatt]

@pfrumors 5m5 minutes ago
Saints To Sign LB Alex Okafor http://www.profootballrumors.com/2017/03/saints-sign-lb-alex-okafor …

[omahacolt]

I disagree regarding Claiborne, i think that he could excel in a man cover system, and that might be exactly what he needs to fulfill his potential. He is actually a fairly aggressive tackler in run support. His biggest issue is that he hasn't been able to stay healthy. He has speed to burn, and his best days could well be ahead of him if he could put together an injury free season.

Alterraun Verner i think would be another nice pickup as the third corner, not as a starter, although i suspect that he would hold his own as well as any No. 2 that we have had in the last few years, but that isn't saying too much.

The rest i do agree that there are meager pickings, but we have to bring in someone to compete and we do still have plenty of cap space left. Claiborne signed a 1 year $3m contract last year and hopefully could be had for something slightly more than this once again. I would also imagine that Verner isn't likely to break the bank in the $3m range. This would still leave us with enough money to compete to sign Poe, assuming we are still interested in him.

No to both corners

[sherck]

Okay, after having gotten (rightly) spanked by posting a bad list of NT draft prospects, I did a little more research.

Unfortunately, this appears to be a pretty bad draft class for 3-4 NT prospects. Combining NFL.com, ESPN, CBSportsline and Walter Football, I come up only three guys whom somebody out there thinks are draftable:

Stevie Tu’ikolovatu, USC...........6’1”, 331 lbs, 5th / 6th projection
Josh Tupou, Colorado...............6’3”, 362 lbs, 7th / UDFA projection
Grover Stewart, Albany State....6’4”, 347 lbs, 7th / UDFA projection

The hit on Tu'ikolovatu as the crème of the crop, besides his name, is that he is 26 years old due to having injury issues and taking 2 years off for mission (I assume he is Mormon).

All three are pretty limited as pass rushers so they are pretty much all two down players. All three are said that they can "anchor" and pile up a double team block which is their primary role. However, they need to INVITE the double team as if you only single block them they rag doll the OC and then go disrupt the play. I don't know that any of these guys can do that.

The rest of the 3-4 NT prospects are all projected to be picked up as UDFA:

Eli Ankou, UCLA................................6’3”, 331 lbs
Josh Augusta, Missouri.......................6’4”, 360 lbs
Isaiah Golden, McNeese St.................6’2”, 325 lbs
Roderick Henderson, Alabama St.........6’0”, 354 lbs
Nick James, Mississippi St..................6’4”, 325 lbs
Tyrique Jarrett, Pittsburgh..................6’3”, 335 lbs
Justin Shanks, Florida State................6’2”, 344 lbs
Jon Taylor, Southeastern Louisiana......6’5”, 348 lbs

Signing Poe and drafting someone as the backup is BY FAR the best option. Having to start two low round draft picks is not ideal.

Cheers,

[smitty46953]

My Wish List from remaining Free Agents ... :cool:

Johnathan Hankins DT
Zack Brown LB
Kevin Minter LB
Darius Butler S/CB
Morris Claiborne CB