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natagu23
02-13-2017, 03:46 PM
All draft related sh*t goes here.

With that said, I hoping Derek Barnett or Rueben Foster falls to us at 14.

Solomon Thomas anyone?

omahacolt
02-13-2017, 06:31 PM
Pass rusher.

Haven't looked at much of them yet

Puck
02-13-2017, 09:05 PM
Corner back will be a better value for us in the 1st, Unless one of the good OLB's fall... Or maybe Foster with the recent surgery

Indiana V2
02-13-2017, 09:07 PM
Dalvin Cook

sherck
02-13-2017, 09:32 PM
Dalvin Cook
Where the HECK is the down vote button around here?

Cheers,

Indiana V2
02-13-2017, 10:01 PM
Where the HECK is the down vote button around here?

Cheers,

Lol...just wait...that's who we will draft.

IndyEdge32
02-14-2017, 09:20 PM
I'm okay with Dalvin. It's obvious that Indy will need a rb at some point. Soon. Would you rather spend money on a gamble (Lacy/Latavius)? If Foster is available and Indy takes Cook, I'd be a little annoyed/surprised. But if Foster is gone, Cook is a better long term prospect than the pass rush specialists available. Pass rushers can be found in free agency, top franchise rbs are much harder to come by. Cook in the 1st and Tim Williams in the 2nd would be fine with me.

It all depends on FA too. I would be okay with Ballard flipping a 4th or 5th for Kendricks, signing Ingram, Hightower, and Berry.

Also, I would be okay with Ballard spending a 3rd on Mixon if Foster is somehow available in the 1st. And Hasson Reddick in the 2nd.

smitty46953
02-14-2017, 11:44 PM
I'm okay with Dalvin. It's obvious that Indy will need a rb at some point. Soon. Would you rather spend money on a gamble (Lacy/Latavius)? If Foster is available and Indy takes Cook, I'd be a little annoyed/surprised. But if Foster is gone, Cook is a better long term prospect than the pass rush specialists available. Pass rushers can be found in free agency, top franchise rbs are much harder to come by. Cook in the 1st and Tim Williams in the 2nd would be fine with me.

It all depends on FA too. I would be okay with Ballard flipping a 4th or 5th for Kendricks, signing Ingram, Hightower, and Berry.

Also, I would be okay with Ballard spending a 3rd on Mixon if Foster is somehow available in the 1st. And Hasson Reddick in the 2nd.

Welcome aboard !!! :cool:

sherck
02-15-2017, 06:26 AM
I'm okay with Dalvin. It's obvious that Indy will need a rb at some point. Soon. Would you rather spend money on a gamble (Lacy/Latavius)? If Foster is available and Indy takes Cook, I'd be a little annoyed/surprised. But if Foster is gone, Cook is a better long term prospect than the pass rush specialists available. Pass rushers can be found in free agency, top franchise rbs are much harder to come by. Cook in the 1st and Tim Williams in the 2nd would be fine with me.

It all depends on FA too. I would be okay with Ballard flipping a 4th or 5th for Kendricks, signing Ingram, Hightower, and Berry.

Also, I would be okay with Ballard spending a 3rd on Mixon if Foster is somehow available in the 1st. And Hasson Reddick in the 2nd.
The problem with your scenario is that most of those free agents will never hit the open market and if they do, its not like the Colts will be the only team bidding on them.

Some NFL teams have nearly twice the amount of cap space to invest in free agents as the Colts do. If Ingram hits the open market, you can expect that someone will end up throwing $15m - $20m in annualized cap space his direction because, well, they can.

I think the possibility of signing someone better than, say Walden or Okfor in free agency at OLB is mighty slim. We NEED to draft pass rushers, Period. Dot. The. End.

And you get the best possibility of them being impact ones at the top of the first round.

Cheers,

FatDT
02-15-2017, 09:43 AM
Pass rushers can be found in free agency, top franchise rbs are much harder to come by.

Welcome to ColtFreaks. But are you kidding me with this quote? "Franchise RB"? Who cares? We have Andrew Luck and TY Hilton and an OL that should finally be top-half of the league next season. We have two young WRs that, when healthy and developed, should be good players for the Colts for a long time. Our TEs are deep and capable. Our offense as-is will be top-5 capable, even with just Frank Gore and Robert Turbin back at RB. Yes, we will need one eventually. But hell no we don't need one in the first round.

Ezekiel Elliot made everyone lose their minds this year. Yeah, he was great. I think he probably made Dak Prescott look better than he actually was, they should've split that award. But Jordan Howard was 2nd in rushing, a 5th round rookie. Murray is a former 3rd rounder. Ajayi and Bell were 5th and 2nd rounders respectively.

Remember 2015's "franchise RB" that everyone lost their minds over? His name is Todd Gurley and he ran for less than 900 yards with a 3.2 YPC average in 2016. Well behind our own Frank Gore. Doesn't seem like much of an investment right now.

Have you seen our defense? We have zero linebackers that make a difference. Zero. Walden is an aging complimentary piece and the rest are just guys. We weren't just not sacking the QB, we weren't pressuring him. We weren't covering TEs or RBs. We weren't even attacking gaps and stopping the run. The middle third of our defense is DESTITUTE.

This idea that pass rushers, the leagues' second-most-rare commodity, are somehow easier to find than RBs is bonkers. You literally have two 5th rounders in the top 5 last season. Our offense would be marginally improved with even the best RB in the NFL added to the roster. No RB is going to be the focal point of this offense, we have Andrew Luck. But drafting a defensive playmaker could completely revolutionize our defense. Drafting a RB in the first would be a bad decision for this team.

IndyEdge32
02-15-2017, 11:16 AM
Hooray for spirited debate!

My argument for Cook was that he would be the best available prospect and reasons why he would warrant a mid 1st rd pick. I did note that Foster would be the preferable pick, should he still be available.

You make good points about rbs but keep in mind that Chicago has a great run blocking o-line. Miami's line is pretty solid as well. We all know about Pittsburgh and Dallas. The Rams were a disaster. Their line was much worse than Indy's, the qb play was..um... subpar, the play calling was terrible. It's hard to blame Gurley for the terrible season when his team was a complete dumpster fire.

If you want to look at last year's results, 6 of the top 12 sack leaders (Alexander, Golden, Hunter, Avril, Wake, Walden) were selected after round 1. I know they're just mocks and mocks can't be trusted, but I've seen the top 4 available pass rushers rotate between the late first and mid 2nd rounds. There isn't a clear-cut, top guy for the early teens.

Maybe I'm in the minority but IF they don't trade down I'd rather take the best player available, in this case a top rb prospect that can plug in and replace Turbin right now and replace Gore next year (if not later this year), over a reach on a pass rusher. If they're set on pass rush, I wouldn't be upset if they traded down to take one around pick 20 or so.

Like I said, it all depends on what they do in FA. Looking at the past few years, there are usually more pass rushers available than there are decent running backs.

Racehorse
02-15-2017, 01:28 PM
Hooray for spirited debate!

My argument for Cook was that he would be the best available prospect and reasons why he would warrant a mid 1st rd pick. I did note that Foster would be the preferable pick, should he still be available.

You make good points about rbs but keep in mind that Chicago has a great run blocking o-line. Miami's line is pretty solid as well. We all know about Pittsburgh and Dallas. The Rams were a disaster. Their line was much worse than Indy's, the qb play was..um... subpar, the play calling was terrible. It's hard to blame Gurley for the terrible season when his team was a complete dumpster fire.

If you want to look at last year's results, 6 of the top 12 sack leaders (Alexander, Golden, Hunter, Avril, Wake, Walden) were selected after round 1. I know they're just mocks and mocks can't be trusted, but I've seen the top 4 available pass rushers rotate between the late first and mid 2nd rounds. There isn't a clear-cut, top guy for the early teens.

Maybe I'm in the minority but IF they don't trade down I'd rather take the best player available, in this case a top rb prospect that can plug in and replace Turbin right now and replace Gore next year (if not later this year), over a reach on a pass rusher. If they're set on pass rush, I wouldn't be upset if they traded down to take one around pick 20 or so.

Like I said, it all depends on what they do in FA. Looking at the past few years, there are usually more pass rushers available than there are decent running backs.
I almost agree, but RB is not as glaring of a need as almost any position on defense. Yes, we have some defensive players capable of doing the job if we cannot find replacements, but we can get by without using our 1st round pick on a RB.

sherck
02-15-2017, 02:14 PM
Someone said that a top flight RB is what you add when you are ALMOST a contender. It is one of the last pieces you add after you have a complete team.

The Colts team is not complete. It could be after 2017 if we sign the right free agents and have another draft class where we get 3 or 4 guys who contribute well (Kelly, Haeg and Ridgeway from 2016 with hope for Green and Clark) but we are not there yet.

4th round RB in 2017 to backup Gore and then, hopefully, 1st or 2nd round RB in 2018 backed up by the 2017 4th rounder.

Cheers,

PeytonsForehead
02-15-2017, 02:37 PM
If we draft a running back before round 4 I'll be pissed. You can find decent running backs late or as UDFA's. Elliot was the outlier not the norm. It's like this... Have a good o-line... Have a producing running back.

IndyEdge32
02-15-2017, 04:09 PM
I wasn't saying Indy HAS TO draft Cook. I would rather see a trade down to accumulate more picks if Foster is gone. I just don't see any of these pass rush guys worth pick 14/15 unless one just blows up the combine or pro day.

Hypothetical: Bucs (or Lions) trade up to grab Cook before the Eagles pick. Indy gets pick 19 and 84 for 14. Reddick @ 19, Tim Williams @ 48, Raekwon Mcmillan @ 79, and Joe Mixon @ 84.

How mad does that make everyone?

http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=ind

FatDT
02-15-2017, 05:10 PM
I'm not necessarily sold on many of the edge rushers in this draft either. But if there isn't one worth drafting when we pick then I expect there will be a DLman or DB that is. The defense is hurting most at LB, but still needs help at every position.

Coltsalr
02-15-2017, 05:29 PM
The upside to bringing in a RB, is that for an offense that has Andrew Luck and TY Hilton and an OL that (ostensibly) isn't a total trainwreck and has made other investments in WR (Moncrief/Dorsett) and TE (Allen/probably Doyle soon), not to mention paying Gore a fairly decent amount, for the Colts to only finish #8 in the NFL in points per game (as they did in 2016), I'd argue that's underachieving by a fair amount.

No, Rob Chudzinski isn't wonderful, but he's also not such a complete disastrous trainwreck of a buffoon that he's weighing the offense down by THAT much.

Dalvin Cook, I think, would add enough star power to the offense that we'd quickly rise to the absolute top of the NFL. Making defenses that honest where they'd have to be aware of a guy that's that good at running the ball AND catching the ball out of the backfield would put the offense over the top, I'd imagine (barring any disastrous setbacks with the maturation of the OL).

That said, with the defense literally completely devoid of talent, the roster as it currently stands, I think Dalvin Cook would be too much of a luxury pick. Dorsett was a luxury pick that we couldn't afford, but I also don't think he was as surefire as Dalvin Cook would be. The knock on Dorsett was that he had great speed but wasn't a refined WR on anything besides go-routes and that he actually wasn't a weapon on Special Teams. Go figure, that's what he's proven to be. Dalvin Cook, on the other hand, I do believe is a can't-miss prospect that would really catapult this offense. I just also happen to believe that this defense is absolutely starving for defensive talent.

YDFL Commish
02-15-2017, 07:44 PM
I wasn't saying Indy HAS TO draft Cook. I would rather see a trade down to accumulate more picks if Foster is gone. I just don't see any of these pass rush guys worth pick 14/15 unless one just blows up the combine or pro day.

Hypothetical: Bucs (or Lions) trade up to grab Cook before the Eagles pick. Indy gets pick 19 and 84 for 14. Reddick @ 19, Tim Williams @ 48, Raekwon Mcmillan @ 79, and Joe Mixon @ 84.

How mad does that make everyone?

http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=ind

That would be a pretty good haul IMO.

Puck
02-15-2017, 08:47 PM
The upside to bringing in a RB, is that for an offense that has Andrew Luck and TY Hilton and an OL that (ostensibly) isn't a total trainwreck and has made other investments in WR (Moncrief/Dorsett) and TE (Allen/probably Doyle soon), not to mention paying Gore a fairly decent amount, for the Colts to only finish #8 in the NFL in points per game (as they did in 2016), I'd argue that's underachieving by a fair amount.

No, Rob Chudzinski isn't wonderful, but he's also not such a complete disastrous trainwreck of a buffoon that he's weighing the offense down by THAT much.

Dalvin Cook, I think, would add enough star power to the offense that we'd quickly rise to the absolute top of the NFL. Making defenses that honest where they'd have to be aware of a guy that's that good at running the ball AND catching the ball out of the backfield would put the offense over the top, I'd imagine (barring any disastrous setbacks with the maturation of the OL).

That said, with the defense literally completely devoid of talent, the roster as it currently stands, I think Dalvin Cook would be too much of a luxury pick. Dorsett was a luxury pick that we couldn't afford, but I also don't think he was as surefire as Dalvin Cook would be. The knock on Dorsett was that he had great speed but wasn't a refined WR on anything besides go-routes and that he actually wasn't a weapon on Special Teams. Go figure, that's what he's proven to be. Dalvin Cook, on the other hand, I do believe is a can't-miss prospect that would really catapult this offense. I just also happen to believe that this defense is absolutely starving for defensive talent.


If I am not mistaken. Cook turns the ball over a lot

natagu23
02-16-2017, 04:03 AM
Dalvin Cook

stop.

sherck
02-16-2017, 11:36 AM
Just saw a mock which had the following players off the board when we picked in the 1st round:

Myles Garrett, Reuben Foster, Mitch Trubisky, Jonathan Allen, Teez Tabor, Deshaun Watson, Malik Hooker, Derek Barnett (darn), Corey Davis, Jamal Adams, Marshon Lattimore, Dalvin Cook, Sidney Jones and Mike Williams.

The following players were filled up the rest of the round including our pick:

Colts = Tim Williams, OLB, Alabama

CB Cordrea Tankersley, Clemson
RB Leonard Fournette, LSU
CB Tre'Davious White, LSU
WR John Ross, Washington
OT Ryan Ramczyk, Wisconsin
DE Carl Lawson, Alburn (4-3 DE; would need to transition to 3-4 OLB)
DE Charles Harris, Missouri (4-3 DE; would need to transition to 3-4 OLB)
DT Soloman Thomas, Stanford
DT Malik McDowell, Michigan State
QB Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech
TE O.J. Howard, Alabama
CB Jourdan Lewis, Michigan
DE Taco Charlton, Michigan
ILB Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt
CB Desmond King, Iowa
OLB Takkarist McKinley, UCLA
S Jabrill Peppers, Michigan

To you like taking Williams that high or is there someone else on the list below us that you favor?

Cheers,

IndyEdge32
02-16-2017, 12:35 PM
From that list? From everything that I've heard/read (and obviously I'm no expert), Williams has some baggage that is dropping his stock considerably. I would be very shocked with Fournette and Solomon Thomas still being available. If Thomas is the pick, I would be good with it... unless a team calls and makes an offer Indy can't refuse. I'm still pretty high on LB Haason Reddick though and with the list of available players I think it's a decent probability that one of the top 5 edge rushers will still be available in the 2nd round.

Racehorse
02-16-2017, 12:56 PM
stop.

Hammer Time!

Racehorse
02-16-2017, 01:05 PM
The upside to bringing in a RB, is that for an offense that has Andrew Luck and TY Hilton and an OL that (ostensibly) isn't a total trainwreck and has made other investments in WR (Moncrief/Dorsett) and TE (Allen/probably Doyle soon), not to mention paying Gore a fairly decent amount, for the Colts to only finish #8 in the NFL in points per game (as they did in 2016), I'd argue that's underachieving by a fair amount.

No, Rob Chudzinski isn't wonderful, but he's also not such a complete disastrous trainwreck of a buffoon that he's weighing the offense down by THAT much.

Dalvin Cook, I think, would add enough star power to the offense that we'd quickly rise to the absolute top of the NFL. Making defenses that honest where they'd have to be aware of a guy that's that good at running the ball AND catching the ball out of the backfield would put the offense over the top, I'd imagine (barring any disastrous setbacks with the maturation of the OL).

That said, with the defense literally completely devoid of talent, the roster as it currently stands, I think Dalvin Cook would be too much of a luxury pick. Dorsett was a luxury pick that we couldn't afford, but I also don't think he was as surefire as Dalvin Cook would be. The knock on Dorsett was that he had great speed but wasn't a refined WR on anything besides go-routes and that he actually wasn't a weapon on Special Teams. Go figure, that's what he's proven to be. Dalvin Cook, on the other hand, I do believe is a can't-miss prospect that would really catapult this offense. I just also happen to believe that this defense is absolutely starving for defensive talent.

The way you kept going back and forth made me think Pete hacked your account.

GoBigBlue88
02-16-2017, 06:36 PM
Chad Reuter's mock had the Colts taking Christian McCafferey. You know, it would almost be worth it just to read the message boards & Twitter :D

omahacolt
02-16-2017, 07:20 PM
Chad Reuter's mock had the Colts taking Christian McCafferey. You know, it would almost be worth it just to read the message boards & Twitter :D

most of you racists would love that pick


he would be an immediate fan favorite. and don't even pretend that i am not 100% correct

GoBigBlue88
02-16-2017, 10:14 PM
In all reality though, I don't really know much about this draft class yet. And I get really annoyed by the Sudden Draft Scouts who emerge every February thinking you can know a draft class / have watched sufficient tape etc. in the week since the Super Bowl ended.

But I trust a few scouts out there. And a guy who has me intrigued is Quincy Wilson (the CB/S from Florida, the one opposite Teez Tabor). Hard to say where he'll land up on boards (most have him top half of Round 2 right now, but trying to forecast February big boards is an exercise in futility), but he sounds like a fresh-outta-college Vontae Davis from a lot of what I've heard/read, basically.

Know this team needs pass rush, but if you can't get an ace pass-rusher at 15, I wouldn't mind buying your pass-rushers drafted in Rounds 2-7 some more time with a corner who fits this team in the long-term view of things.

Blue Thunder
02-16-2017, 10:31 PM
I would hate that pick.....It's got to be Edge or CB. Why do they have to draft a running back at all? Gore will finish off his contract. Take 6 defensive guys and one OL to either replace Harrison or upgrade on Haeg or Good. Those guys are decent depth not playoff caliber lineman, at least not yet.

VeveJones007
02-16-2017, 11:54 PM
I would hate that pick.....It's got to be Edge or CB. Why do they have to draft a running back at all? Gore will finish off his contract. Take 6 defensive guys and one OL to either replace Harrison or upgrade on Haeg or Good. Those guys are decent depth not playoff caliber lineman, at least not yet.

I'll be surprised if Ballard doesn't take this route. The guy is defense first and he has a clean slate. The cupboard is so bare that he could start transitioning to a 4-3 if he so desired.

apballin
02-17-2017, 09:23 PM
I don't want the Williams dude at all,

I'd take Peppers over him anyday

sherck
02-18-2017, 07:09 PM
I don't want the Williams dude at all,

I'd take Peppers over him anyday

I agree that Tim Williams scares me. Relatively limited reps in college and the off the field stuff.

Careful vetting pkease, Ballard.

Cheers.

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indycolts2
02-18-2017, 07:33 PM
most of you racists would love that pick


he would be an immediate fan favorite. and don't even pretend that i am not 100% correct

If it made your head explode it would be worth it!

natagu23
02-20-2017, 01:13 AM
I agree that Tim Williams scares me. Relatively limited reps in college and the off the field stuff.

Careful vetting pkease, Ballard.

Cheers.

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I watched Tim Williams during the college playoffs. The guy doesn't impress me. He lacks pass rush moves imo.

For a lot of these pass rushers, once they get stopped by tackle on their speed rush, they're done.

No counters, no swim moves, bull rush etc.

Williams is good against the run which is always a plus. Alabama's whole defense was good against run for that matter.

ukcolt
02-20-2017, 09:21 AM
I am always a little wary when looking at guys from the likes of Bama, Ohio St, and previously USC, as yeah they are talented guys, but it is always easier to look good when you have lots of other guys around you who are also high quality guys who are often assignment sound. I am not saying that they are not necessarily the best players in the nation, but i sometimes wonder just how good they might appear to be if they were playing for a mid level team.

Mr. Session
02-20-2017, 08:27 PM
I watched Tim Williams during the college playoffs. The guy doesn't impress me. He lacks pass rush moves imo.

For a lot of these pass rushers, once they get stopped by tackle on their speed rush, they're done.

No counters, no swim moves, bull rush etc.

Williams is good against the run which is always a plus. Alabama's whole defense was good against run for that matter.

I felt like Williams had a good jump and speed rush, that's about it.

What do you think about Anderson? Outside of Foster I'm hard pressed to give you a better linebacker out of Alabama right now.

Anderson is strong and his technique is impressive. He knows how to use his hands.

FatDT
02-21-2017, 11:16 AM
I think if Derek Barnett is there when we pick, take him and adjust the defense to more even fronts. He could maybe develop into an OLB but right now we need talent more than we need scheme fit.

YDFL Commish
02-21-2017, 07:33 PM
I think if Derek Barnett is there when we pick, take him and adjust the defense to more even fronts. He could maybe develop into an OLB but right now we need talent more than we need scheme fit.


I like Barnett a lot. I believe he will run Terrell Suggs type of numbers at the combine, and that will scare some teams off. If his 10 yd split is respectable, it would be really hard not to take him.

FatDT
02-21-2017, 07:35 PM
I like Barnett a lot. I believe he will run Terrell Suggs type of numbers at the combine, and that will scare some teams off. If his 10 yd split is respectable, it would be really hard not to take him.
Suggs is who he reminds me of.

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Coltsalr
02-21-2017, 09:53 PM
You would think that Pagano/Monachino would be all over a guy that's reminiscent to Suggs. How sad is it that I (and probably most of us) would have no faith that they'd be able to spot that?

Then again, given Pagano'a track record in terms of pounding the table for guys, even if he did, Ballard might be inclined to ignore him, at least I would be. Hopefully he stole some of the pre-draft notes from Dorsey/Reid prior to leaving Kansas City.

Blue Thunder
02-22-2017, 12:26 AM
Tyrus Bowser later in the draft......3rd or 4th round.

natagu23
02-22-2017, 11:25 AM
I felt like Williams had a good jump and speed rush, that's about it.

What do you think about Anderson? Outside of Foster I'm hard pressed to give you a better linebacker out of Alabama right now.

Anderson is strong and his technique is impressive. He knows how to use his hands.

You mentioned it. The guy has some violent hands. I love how stout he is on the edge. He doesnt have the highest ceiling, but he has a pretty high floor if that makes sense. He's a football player. We need football players.

Well coached. Professional approach to the game.

I wouldnt mind taking a look at him in the 2nd or 3rd round.

natagu23
02-22-2017, 11:37 AM
I think if Derek Barnett is there when we pick, take him and adjust the defense to more even fronts. He could maybe develop into an OLB but right now we need talent more than we need scheme fit.

Agreed.

You have to pull the trigger if he's there.

It would be unforgivable if they were to pass on him.

Dam8610
02-22-2017, 01:15 PM
I think if Derek Barnett is there when we pick, take him and adjust the defense to more even fronts. He could maybe develop into an OLB but right now we need talent more than we need scheme fit.

He's got the ability to play in space, Tennessee dropped him into coverage a noticeable amount in the film of him that I watched, and he didn't look like a fish out of water.

natagu23
02-23-2017, 10:58 AM
Favorite corner in the draft?

I like Lattimore. He has pretty good ball skills and ideal size.

FatDT
02-23-2017, 11:25 AM
He's got the ability to play in space, Tennessee dropped him into coverage a noticeable amount in the film of him that I watched, and he didn't look like a fish out of water.

Maybe that's true, there's lots of football I have not watched. I think he would be more successful early if his responsibilities were limited DE. I don't have to tell you that playing in space in the NFL is a lot different than in CFB.

smitty46953
02-25-2017, 01:30 PM
The Colts picked up a 2017 compensatory draft pick. Pick number 38 in the 4th round. This is pick #144 overall... Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council. Not every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by this formula.


Lost: Coby Fleener; Jerrell Freeman, Dwight Lowery

Gained: Patrick Robinson, Scott Tolzien

:cool:

omahacolt
02-25-2017, 03:03 PM
The Colts picked up a 2017 compensatory draft pick. Pick number 38 in the 4th round. This is pick #144 overall... Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council. Not every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by this formula.


Lost: Coby Fleener; Jerrell Freeman, Dwight Lowery

Gained: Patrick Robinson, Scott Tolzien

:cool:

i would rather have kept freeman and lowery

smitty46953
02-25-2017, 03:04 PM
i would rather have kept freeman and lowery
Me too ...

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Indiana V2
02-26-2017, 07:39 PM
i would rather have kept freeman and lowery

Dumb Grigson.

Butter
02-26-2017, 09:56 PM
Dumb Grigson.

That may well have been an equal part Pags and his inability to work with the talent he has. Freeney was more a system issue than talent.

PeytonsForehead
03-01-2017, 11:53 AM
That may well have been an equal part Pags and his inability to work with the talent he has. Freeney was more a system issue than talent.

Fire PAGS! You find a place for a guy like that!

Coltsalr
03-02-2017, 03:45 PM
Stephen Holder‏ @HolderStephen
Dalvin Cook just got doone w interviews here. Says he meets w Colts tonight. That's relevant bc of Ballard. KC meets w most its picks here.


Now everyone can freak out over this.

omahacolt
03-02-2017, 03:49 PM
Stephen Holder‏ @HolderStephen
Dalvin Cook just got doone w interviews here. Says he meets w Colts tonight. That's relevant bc of Ballard. KC meets w most its picks here.


Now everyone can freak out over this.

let me try this again since you fucked it up last time



boooo fuck you ballard.


see. you ruined it. you are as worthless as pagano, alr

FatDT
03-03-2017, 09:27 AM
No chance Cook is drafted by the Colts in the 1st.

He has some character issues, the interview is probably just in case he falls out of the first round.

I'd be happy with Alvin Kamara, if we do draft a RB. Not in the 1st, obviously. 2nd or 3rd.

Wyatt
03-03-2017, 01:48 PM
The Colts have lost the coin toss to the Eagles, and will be picking #15 overall

sherck
03-03-2017, 02:56 PM
I cannot imagine it is going to make much of a difference.

We can pick a WR just as well at 15 as at 14.

Oh, wait. Grigson is not GM anymore. :)

Cheers,

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smitty46953
03-03-2017, 03:31 PM
The Colts have lost the coin toss to the Eagles, and will be picking #15 overall

I heard we won the toss, but Pagano deferred ? :cool:

Wyatt
03-03-2017, 04:26 PM
I heard we won the toss, but Pagano deferred ? :cool:

You win the internet for today with that one!

Oldcolt
03-03-2017, 05:27 PM
Hopefully Philly will take a running back and none will be left for us. I want pass rushers. If there are ones who are available and worth the pick I would like to see us go pass rusher on both the first two rounds, since this is a draft supposedly deep there. I remember Polian once saying you never pass on a pass rusher or qb.

Wyatt
03-03-2017, 05:38 PM
I believe Philly is looking at WR's, that being said, I wouldn't be opposed to trading back with someone to get multiple picks this year, with as deep as the draft is in our areas of need

njcoltfan
03-03-2017, 06:20 PM
Would have been nice to start the off season with a win, even if it was just a coin flip.

apballin
03-04-2017, 09:55 AM
I'm hoping Foster falls to us after the surgery and the confrontation that got him sent home

omahacolt
03-04-2017, 11:58 AM
I'm hoping Foster falls to us after the surgery and the confrontation that got him sent home

is he a fucking nutjob or what

YDFL Commish
03-04-2017, 01:04 PM
I'm hoping Foster falls to us after the surgery and the confrontation that got him sent home

I'm not so sure I want him now. The combine incident, the injury history and where i saw where one scout says he's not a MIKE LB, that he's a 4-3 WILL scares me.

apballin
03-04-2017, 03:53 PM
is he a fucking nutjob or what

C'mon that's the meanstreak you want in a MLB

Coltsalr
03-04-2017, 09:32 PM
Florida State RB Dalvin Cook tested as ninth-percentile SPARQ athlete at the NFL Combine.
Tennessee RB Alvin Kamara had the highest SPARQ score of any back in Indy, hitting the 79th percentile. Cook was at the opposite end of the spectrum, struggling in the three-cone drill (7.27), 20-yard shuttle (4.53), vertical (30.5"), and broad jump (9'8"). He did run a solid forty (4.49). Still, it was a concerning weekend for a back considered a potential first-round pick. According to 3 Sigma Athlete's Zach Whitman, no running back who tested as a sub-10th-percentile SPARQ athlete has been drafted in the first round in the last 17 years.
Source: 3sigmaathlete.com Mar 4 - 8:23 PM



I...would take Dalvin Cook in the 2nd round. Flame away.

YDFL Commish
03-04-2017, 10:24 PM
Florida State RB Dalvin Cook tested as ninth-percentile SPARQ athlete at the NFL Combine.
Tennessee RB Alvin Kamara had the highest SPARQ score of any back in Indy, hitting the 79th percentile. Cook was at the opposite end of the spectrum, struggling in the three-cone drill (7.27), 20-yard shuttle (4.53), vertical (30.5"), and broad jump (9'8"). He did run a solid forty (4.49). Still, it was a concerning weekend for a back considered a potential first-round pick. According to 3 Sigma Athlete's Zach Whitman, no running back who tested as a sub-10th-percentile SPARQ athlete has been drafted in the first round in the last 17 years.
Source: 3sigmaathlete.com Mar 4 - 8:23 PM



I...would take Dalvin Cook in the 2nd round. Flame away.

I really don't get your infatuation with Cook? There are possibly10 RB's in the draft who could have better NFL careers and still be drafted later than Cook.

With all the needs on defense the Colts cannot draft a RB earlier than the 3rd round. They just can't.

Coltsalr
03-04-2017, 11:09 PM
I really don't get your infatuation with Cook? There are possibly10 RB's in the draft who could have better NFL careers and still be drafted later than Cook.

With all the needs on defense the Colts cannot draft a RB earlier than the 3rd round. They just can't.

Sure anybody COULD do better, but I watched a lot of him at FSU (I hate Florida State, so I watched plenty rooting against them) and I think he has what it takes to be truly remarkable.

The bottom line is, I think he's absolutely nasty and he'd absolutely take our offense to the next level.

That said, I'm of course as aware as anyone of our defensive needs. I'm also hoping that Reuben Foster's little meltdown where he had to leave the Combine drops him to us at #15.

smitty46953
03-05-2017, 03:24 AM
With the 15th pick ... Bobby Boucher Linebacker :cool:


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/smitty46953/Bobby%20Boucher_zpsf7g86gag.jpg

omahacolt
03-05-2017, 09:00 AM
I really don't get your infatuation with Cook? There are possibly10 RB's in the draft who could have better NFL careers and still be drafted later than Cook.

With all the needs on defense the Colts cannot draft a RB earlier than the 3rd round. They just can't.

He is a pats fan.

That is why he wants the colts to pick a rb

Coltsalr
03-05-2017, 09:19 AM
He is a pats fan.

That is why he wants the colts to pick a rb


Your hero man-crush once dealt a 1st round pick for a RB.

Same thing, except this guy will be actually, you know, good.

omahacolt
03-05-2017, 01:58 PM
Your hero man-crush once dealt a 1st round pick for a RB.

Same thing, except this guy will be actually, you know, good.

that never happened

Dam8610
03-05-2017, 03:04 PM
that never happened

I understand if you've drank enough to forget Trent Richardson, but that trade happened.

apballin
03-05-2017, 03:56 PM
Fuck a RB unless Fournette falls to us we GOTTA GO DEFENSE

Coltsalr
03-05-2017, 03:57 PM
mchappell51
Add Florida S Marcus Maye to list of players who've met w/Colts. Also DEs Solomon Thomas (Stan), Tarell Basham (Ohio) Davon Godchaux LSU)

I like Marcus Maye a lot. He'd be a reach in the 1st round (not sure I've seen any Mock with him in the first round), but he'd be an awesome get later on. CBS has him at #101 overall, which seems low to me, I think.

@natagu, I know you're a Gators fan, any opinion on him?

Solomon Thomas would be a phenomenal get at #15, but i'd be stunned if we pulled that off.

sherck
03-05-2017, 03:57 PM
Lots of 1 or 2 year vet RBs in market.

FIX THE DEFENSE

Cheers

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Puck
03-05-2017, 04:20 PM
Peppers is kind of a moron.... he's talented but he's as much of an attention whore as Race is a post whore

omahacolt
03-05-2017, 04:56 PM
I understand if you've drank enough to forget Trent Richardson, but that trade happened.

Has nothing to do with my man crush

Coltsalr
03-05-2017, 09:07 PM
Give me this guy as a Day 3 sleeper:


Overview

D.J. (David, Junior) Jones is a short, stout, and athletic nose tackle who excelled for the Rebels the past two seasons but didn't earn all-conference honors from SEC coaches or media. The South Carolina native was a top-five junior college recruit nationally after starring at East Mississippi Junior College (21.5 tackles for loss, 12 sacks in two years), which won two national championships while he was here. Jones played in every game in 2015, starting three, making 40 tackles, 5.5 for loss, and four sacks. Rebels coaches started him all 12 games in his senior year (30 tackles, three TFL, two sacks).
Analysis
Strengths Has a big bubble and plays with a wide base. Outrageous weight room strength with monster numbers in clean, bench, and squat. Plays low and fires upward strikes to elevate the blocker's center of gravity. Has the play strength to rip through an edge once he gets to it. Has quick hands and is nice with the swim move. Has necessary play traits to be an effective rusher in the twist game. Rare reactive athleticism and short-area lateral quickness for an interior player. Extended tackle radius allows him to close out running lanes away from his gap. Keeps hounding runners down the field for the tackle. Instinctive and quickly sniffs out screen passes. Very rarely on ground.
Weaknesses Has a stocky frame with short arms and lacks the length teams like. Lack of size could be an issue against NFL double teams. Motor gets him too juiced at times. Needs to gather himself to prevent running past his target. Was unable to overpower strong guards in man-to-man contest. Productivity fell way off over the second half of the season. Despite his impressive athleticism, lacked impact tackle production.
Sources Tell Us "Go back and watch his tape from early in the season and then from late in the season and you will see a different player. At least that is what I thought. I just thought he looked like he kind of ran out of gas later in the year. He moves around like a fullback but he didn't make that many plays. That worries you as a coach." - SEC offensive coach
NFL Comparison Grady Jarrett
Bottom Line Jones has a freaky combination of power and athleticism that isn't seen all that often. While his playing style is reminiscent of Grady Jarrett's, keep in mind that he's a bigger player. Despite his impressive play attributes, Jones failed to generate the production that his flashes on tape would indicate he's capable of. If a coach can unlock more consistency, Jones has a chance to flourish as a one-gapping nose with three-down ability.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/d.j.-jones?id=2558265

Sounds like a new and improved David Parry. 321 pounds and a 5.05 40 time is pretty damn good. And having a guy that compares to Grady Jarrett would be rather nice.

YDFL Commish
03-05-2017, 10:10 PM
I am firmly in the Derek Barnett camp right now.

I don't care that he a 4.88 40 either. His 10 yd split of 1.70 was respectable, as were his other drills. Also, his 3-cone drill was up there with the best of them. Also, he doesn't look lost dropping into coverage.

I'm also a big fan of Kansas St. Jordan Willis. I've seen him play a few times, he would be a nice option in round 2 or 3.

I really don't care that Ryan Anderson didn't test all that well either. I think we've all seen what that dude can do.

I watched a lot of tape on Hassan Reddick, and really don't know what to think. It really sucks, when you watch defensive play against all of these spread teams that are the norm in CFB today. That's why I love watching tape of defensive players against Michigan. Reddick is used all over the field against those teams and I really couldn't get a handle on what he is, OLB, DE, ILB or none of the above.

Come on Ballard, draft 3 LB's in the first 3 rounds. Just do it damn-it!

Puck
03-06-2017, 12:04 AM
I am firmly in the Derek Barnett camp right now.

I don't care that he a 4.88 40 either. His 10 yd split of 1.70 was respectable, as were his other drills. Also, his 3-cone drill was up there with the best of them. Also, he doesn't look lost dropping into coverage.

I'm also a big fan of Kansas St. Jordan Willis. I've seen him play a few times, he would be a nice option in round 2 or 3.

I really don't care that Ryan Anderson didn't test all that well either. I think we've all seen what that dude can do.

I watched a lot of tape on Hassan Reddick, and really don't know what to think. It really sucks, when you watch defensive play against all of these spread teams that are the norm in CFB today. That's why I love watching tape of defensive players against Michigan. Reddick is used all over the field against those teams and I really couldn't get a handle on what he is, OLB, DE, ILB or none of the above.

Come on Ballard, draft 3 LB's in the first 3 rounds. Just do it damn-it!

He better draft a CB in round one or two or it will be a huge mistake

Spike
03-06-2017, 01:09 AM
I am firmly in the Derek Barnett camp right now.

I don't care that he a 4.88 40 either. His 10 yd split of 1.70 was respectable, as were his other drills. Also, his 3-cone drill was up there with the best of them. Also, he doesn't look lost dropping into coverage.

I'm also a big fan of Kansas St. Jordan Willis. I've seen him play a few times, he would be a nice option in round 2 or 3.

I really don't care that Ryan Anderson didn't test all that well either. I think we've all seen what that dude can do.

I watched a lot of tape on Hassan Reddick, and really don't know what to think. It really sucks, when you watch defensive play against all of these spread teams that are the norm in CFB today. That's why I love watching tape of defensive players against Michigan. Reddick is used all over the field against those teams and I really couldn't get a handle on what he is, OLB, DE, ILB or none of the above.

Come on Ballard, draft 3 LB's in the first 3 rounds. Just do it damn-it!

Griggs left the Colts with big holes all over the defensive side of the ball. Got to draft BAP on defense in every round. Be it LB, cornerback, safety. Drafting and reaching for need is a good way to get fucked. I don't want to draft 3 linebackers just because that is our biggest need, unless of course they are the BAP's.

Coltsalr
03-06-2017, 08:04 AM
I am firmly in the Derek Barnett camp right now.

I don't care that he a 4.88 40 either. His 10 yd split of 1.70 was respectable, as were his other drills. Also, his 3-cone drill was up there with the best of them. Also, he doesn't look lost dropping into coverage.

I'm also a big fan of Kansas St. Jordan Willis. I've seen him play a few times, he would be a nice option in round 2 or 3.

I really don't care that Ryan Anderson didn't test all that well either. I think we've all seen what that dude can do.

I watched a lot of tape on Hassan Reddick, and really don't know what to think. It really sucks, when you watch defensive play against all of these spread teams that are the norm in CFB today. That's why I love watching tape of defensive players against Michigan. Reddick is used all over the field against those teams and I really couldn't get a handle on what he is, OLB, DE, ILB or none of the above.

Come on Ballard, draft 3 LB's in the first 3 rounds. Just do it damn-it!

Derek Barnett in the 1st and Ryan Anderson in the 2nd and I'd be beyond delirious. I really wouldn't care who we drafted in the 3rd round, but bolstering our LB corps to that degree, might as well go with another LB at that point.

Turning LB into a potential strength would do so much for this team, that I can't see how one could argue that'd be a bad thing.

Dam8610
03-06-2017, 10:44 AM
Griggs left the Colts with big holes all over the defensive side of the ball. Got to draft BAP on defense in every round. Be it LB, cornerback, safety. Drafting and reaching for need is a good way to get fucked. I don't want to draft 3 linebackers just because that is our biggest need, unless of course they are the BAP's.

Considering how loaded this class is at LB, that may very well be the case.

sherck
03-06-2017, 11:01 AM
I was already a Riddick fan in the first but feared that we might be reaching to nab him at 15.

Now after his combine performance I don't know that he will last until 15. He had a great combine.

That is who I now want in the 1st.

Cheers,

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YDFL Commish
03-06-2017, 12:21 PM
Griggs left the Colts with big holes all over the defensive side of the ball. Got to draft BAP on defense in every round. Be it LB, cornerback, safety. Drafting and reaching for need is a good way to get fucked. I don't want to draft 3 linebackers just because that is our biggest need, unless of course they are the BAP's.

I would prefer a CB come out of free agency. I want a guy that can play right away.

cq.noble
03-06-2017, 01:00 PM
and the fact Kevin King just ran a 4.4 at 6'3" anybody think we might look that direction? I've thought we would go DB early and King might make some sense given our GM and HC.

Puck
03-06-2017, 02:26 PM
and the fact Kevin King just ran a 4.4 at 6'3" anybody think we might look that direction? I've thought we would go DB early and King might make some sense given our GM and HC.


Welcome to the board

smitty46953
03-06-2017, 03:07 PM
and the fact Kevin King just ran a 4.4 at 6'3" anybody think we might look that direction? I've thought we would go DB early and King might make some sense given our GM and HC.

Welcome aboard !!! :cool:

omahacolt
03-06-2017, 07:22 PM
and the fact Kevin King just ran a 4.4 at 6'3" anybody think we might look that direction? I've thought we would go DB early and King might make some sense given our GM and HC.

welcome aboard cq

i worry about db's that tall myself. i know nothing about this kid but kids that tall, historically, have had problems with change of direction quickness.

YDFL Commish
03-06-2017, 08:01 PM
and the fact Kevin King just ran a 4.4 at 6'3" anybody think we might look that direction? I've thought we would go DB early and King might make some sense given our GM and HC.

Don't get me wrong that speed at that size is intriguing. I'll have to see how fast he flip his hips, turn and if need be drive on the ball.

cq.noble
03-07-2017, 01:49 PM
welcome aboard cq

i worry about db's that tall myself. i know nothing about this kid but kids that tall, historically, have had problems with change of direction quickness.

Agreed but when I watched his tape against USC he didn't move like he was 6'3", and he also had the best 3 cone drill time among all CB's too. So in theory his COD is elite. He's not a 1st rounder but he's interesting.

Puck
03-07-2017, 04:45 PM
Agreed but when I watched his tape against USC he didn't move like he was 6'3", and he also had the best 3 cone drill time among all CB's too. So in theory his COD is elite. He's not a 1st rounder but he's interesting.


And to think I saw your name when you signed up and figured you for a spammer and was prepared to delete you.... Patience is a good thing in this case.... keep up the good posts

cq.noble
03-07-2017, 04:53 PM
And to think I saw your name when you signed up and figured you for a spammer and was prepared to delete you.... Patience is a good thing in this case.... keep up the good posts

I've been around different Colts blogs for years. Glad you didn't delete me, I like it here.

rcubed
03-07-2017, 05:14 PM
I've been around different Colts blogs for years. Glad you didn't delete me, I like it here.

its the best around

rcubed
03-07-2017, 05:16 PM
MMQB has us taking Cam Robinson, OL, Alabama

omahacolt
03-07-2017, 06:22 PM
MMQB has us taking Cam Robinson, OL, Alabama

fuck that dude

we need defense. and then some more defense. and then some defense for good measure

njcoltfan
03-07-2017, 06:30 PM
fuck that dude

we need defense. and then some more defense. and then some defense for good measure

What do you think about drafting defense??

omahacolt
03-07-2017, 07:15 PM
What do you think about drafting defense??

i am for it

smitty46953
03-07-2017, 09:39 PM
Charley Casserly has us taking Garett Bolles OT Utah in his Mock 2.0 on NFL.Com ... :cool:

njcoltfan
03-07-2017, 10:47 PM
Charley Casserly has us taking Garett Bolles OT Utah in his Mock 2.0 on NFL.Com ... :cool:

Now you know why he's not a GM anymore!!

FatDT
03-08-2017, 09:08 AM
It's pretty hard to imagine taking an OL in the 1st again. I expect a right guard in FA and competition for RT between Good, Clark, and Haeg.

ukcolt
03-13-2017, 11:29 AM
With one of the top rated corners in the draft, Sidney Jones from Washington, potentially suffering a lower leg injury (possibly a torn achilles) at his pro day.....would you consider taking him with our 2nd round pick and getting outstanding value, even if we had to wait potentially until 2018 until he was ready to play? I thnk i would jump at the chance once you have managed to assess the injury to ensure it is not too serious. It would be at a position of major need. I realise we have needs instantly, but we are unlikely to be able to get a top LBer either inside or outside plus one of the best corners in the same draft. I am prepared to look toward the future a little and try to fill out the roster for future years.

natagu23
03-13-2017, 11:32 AM
With one of the top rated corners in the draft, Sidney Jones from Washington, potentially suffering a lower leg injury (possibly a torn achilles) at his pro day.....would you consider taking him with our 2nd round pick and getting outstanding value, even if we had to wait potentially until 2018 until he was ready to play? I thnk i would jump at the chance once you have managed to assess the injury to ensure it is not too serious. It would be at a position of major need. I realise we have needs instantly, but we are unlikely to be able to get a top LBer either inside or outside plus one of the best corners in the same draft. I am prepared to look toward the future a little and try to fill out the roster for future years.

Maybe in the 3rd

sherck
03-13-2017, 11:45 AM
With one of the top rated corners in the draft, Sidney Jones from Washington, potentially suffering a lower leg injury (possibly a torn achilles) at his pro day.....would you consider taking him with our 2nd round pick and getting outstanding value, even if we had to wait potentially until 2018 until he was ready to play? I thnk i would jump at the chance once you have managed to assess the injury to ensure it is not too serious. It would be at a position of major need. I realise we have needs instantly, but we are unlikely to be able to get a top LBer either inside or outside plus one of the best corners in the same draft. I am prepared to look toward the future a little and try to fill out the roster for future years.

I agree; not in the 2nd round as we need kids to gain experience THIS YEAR rather than sitting out due to injury.

The Colts are, realistically, at least one season away from being competitive for a championship. 2 draft classes in 2017 and 2018 that can contribute close to what the 2016 draft class contributed (2 full time starters in Kelly and Haeg, 2 part time starters in Green and Clark, 1 quality rotation guy in Ridgeway) along with this year's free agency class along with 2018s could go a LONG way in making our defense respectable to go along with an offense that is, hopefully, top in the league.

I don't mind waiting a year on a top talent but I would rather gain THREE kids for 2018 with top talent (1st round pick, 2nd round pick, Sidney Jones in the 3rd round) rather than just 2.

Cheers,

ukcolt
03-13-2017, 12:33 PM
Clearly it would be better if he dropped to the 3rd round, but with the likes of Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack both having significant injuries going into last years draft, they were both taken at the top of the 2nd round. So i suspect it is unlikely he will last until the 3rd assuming the injury isn't too devasting

sherck
03-13-2017, 12:41 PM
Clearly it would be better if he dropped to the 3rd round, but with the likes of Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack both having significant injuries going into last years draft, they were both taken at the top of the 2nd round. So i suspect it is unlikely he will last until the 3rd assuming the injury isn't too devasting
So be it. I don't want to use our 2nd round pick on a CB that will not play in 2017 and gain experience.

I would rather pick a 2nd round CB talent and play them immediately. When rebuilding, you HAVE to get immediate production out of your 1st and 2nd round choices. They have to produce.

Which is why I was not high on picking Green last season as a "developmental" project. I don't care that he has 1st round measurable, he has only been playing defense for two fricking years. We wasted our 2nd round pick last year.

Now, perhaps, he will developing into a 2nd round production dude in the future but the chances are less than if he had already been demonstrating that level of production in college.

Cheers,

Dam8610
03-13-2017, 01:20 PM
Clearly it would be better if he dropped to the 3rd round, but with the likes of Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack both having significant injuries going into last years draft, they were both taken at the top of the 2nd round. So i suspect it is unlikely he will last until the 3rd assuming the injury isn't too devasting

Those guys would've been Top 15 picks without the injuries, though.

ukcolt
03-14-2017, 06:07 AM
Which is exactly where he was being projected to go in this draft looking at several links on nfl.com they had him at 14, 10, 11 and 27.

sherck
03-14-2017, 02:36 PM
Mock draft made today following the first wave of free agency.

The following defenders were all picked in the 1st round with pick #15 or after.

Which one would you pick and why?

CB Cordrea Tankersley, Clemson
CB Marlon Humphrey, Alabama
CB Sidney Jones, Washington (even with an ACL tear)

ILB Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt

DE Malik McDowell, Michigan State

OLB Jordan Willis, Kansas State
OLB Taco Charlton, Michigan
OLB Charles Harris, Missouri
OLB Carl Lawson, Auburn
OLB Tim Williams, Alabama

Cheers,

smitty46953
03-14-2017, 02:54 PM
Mock draft made today following the first wave of free agency.

The following defenders were all picked in the 1st round with pick #15 or after.

Which one would you pick and why?

CB Cordrea Tankersley, Clemson
CB Marlon Humphrey, Alabama
CB Sidney Jones, Washington (even with an ACL tear)

ILB Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt

DE Malik McDowell, Michigan State

OLB Jordan Willis, Kansas State
OLB Taco Charlton, Michigan
OLB Charles Harris, Missouri
OLB Carl Lawson, Auburn
OLB Tim Williams, Alabama

Cheers,

Of those listed OLB Tim Williams, Alabama, if he is deemed to have his head on straight. This guy is quick and a dynamic edge rusher which we need bad. Could be a great pick or a Randy Gregory type ??? Hopefully we would have him visit and go through a psych eval before spending a 1st round pick on him.
:cool:

VeveJones007
03-14-2017, 02:59 PM
Of those listed OLB Tim Williams, Alabama, if he is deemed to have his head on straight. This guy is quick and a dynamic edge rusher which we need bad. Could be a great pick or a Randy Gregory type ??? Hopefully we would have him visit and go through a psych eval before spending a 1st round pick on him.
:cool:

Zach Cunningham is going to be a great player. His hands are ridiculously strong. If he gets his hands on you, you're going down.

smitty46953
03-14-2017, 03:00 PM
Zach Cunningham is going to be a great player. His hands are ridiculously strong. If he gets his hands on you, you're going down.

He was my 2nd choice .... :cool:

omahacolt
03-14-2017, 03:03 PM
Zach Cunningham is going to be a great player. His hands are ridiculously strong. If he gets his hands on you, you're going down.

Then why do people constantly bitch about his missed tackles

omahacolt
03-14-2017, 03:05 PM
Mock draft made today following the first wave of free agency.

The following defenders were all picked in the 1st round with pick #15 or after.

Which one would you pick and why?

CB Cordrea Tankersley, Clemson
CB Marlon Humphrey, Alabama
CB Sidney Jones, Washington (even with an ACL tear)

ILB Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt

DE Malik McDowell, Michigan State

OLB Jordan Willis, Kansas State
OLB Taco Charlton, Michigan
OLB Charles Harris, Missouri
OLB Carl Lawson, Auburn
OLB Tim Williams, Alabama

Cheers,
Charles Harris

From the little I have seen I like that dudes gets off the line

natagu23
03-14-2017, 03:07 PM
Mock draft made today following the first wave of free agency.

The following defenders were all picked in the 1st round with pick #15 or after.

Which one would you pick and why?

CB Cordrea Tankersley, Clemson
CB Marlon Humphrey, Alabama
CB Sidney Jones, Washington (even with an ACL tear)

ILB Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt

DE Malik McDowell, Michigan State

OLB Jordan Willis, Kansas State
OLB Taco Charlton, Michigan
OLB Charles Harris, Missouri
OLB Carl Lawson, Auburn
OLB Tim Williams, Alabama

Cheers,

My favorite corner in the draft is Lattimore, but he'll obviously be gone by the time we pick unless he does something stupid between now and draft day.

A couple corners that weren't listed were Adoree Jackson and Gareon Conley.

Im not sure how refined of a corner Jackson is because his claim to fame is being a special team's return ace, and playing on offense from time to time. He's electric thats for damn sure. You're potentially drafting a CB/PR/KR/WR if you pull the trigger on that guy.

Gareon Conley would be a steal imo if we were to draft him in the 2nd. You're not going to find too many corners who are comfortable turning their head back to the ball while staying in the receiver's hip like Conley is. Good size, great ball skills, man to man corner. I wouldnt mind pulling the trigger on him in the 1st round actually.

YDFL Commish
03-14-2017, 04:02 PM
If that's who is left, then I have to go with Jordan Willis, preferably in a trade down scenario.

VeveJones007
03-14-2017, 04:44 PM
Then why do people constantly bitch about his missed tackles

Idk. Watch the tape.

VeveJones007
03-14-2017, 04:46 PM
Charles Harris

From the little I have seen I like that dudes gets off the line

I like Harris a lot. He has actual rush moves (unlike Barnett) and does a good job of reading the pocket and attacking where the QB is going. I just wish Harris had a little more change of direction quickness...but that's why he isn't a top 5 pick.

rcubed
03-15-2017, 02:02 PM
McShays latest mock has us taking OL Forrest Gump, I mean Lamp.

http://www.stampedeblue.com/2017/3/15/14935070/nfl-mock-draft-2017-todd-mcshay-has-colts-taking-an-offensive-lineman-in-his-latest-mock-draft

rcubed
03-15-2017, 02:03 PM
McShays latest mock has us taking OL Forrest Gump, I mean Lamp.

http://www.stampedeblue.com/2017/3/15/14935070/nfl-mock-draft-2017-todd-mcshay-has-colts-taking-an-offensive-lineman-in-his-latest-mock-draft

sherck
03-15-2017, 02:11 PM
McShays latest mock has us taking OL Forrest Gump, I mean Lamp.

http://www.stampedeblue.com/2017/3/15/14935070/nfl-mock-draft-2017-todd-mcshay-has-colts-taking-an-offensive-lineman-in-his-latest-mock-draft

I don't mind Lamp. I will rarely argue against strengthening the O-Line.

However, I hope that management does not look at the two solid but non-elite OLBs we are now starting, brushes their hands and says "our work here is done."

Pass rush stud for the win, please.

Cheers,

sherck
03-16-2017, 06:54 AM
4 Round Mock from NFL.com Chad Reuter. All the player summaries are taken from the NFL.com draft tracker player profiles.


1st round = ILB Reuben Foster, Alabama

Foster is a vicious hitter with elite playmaking range and an ability to toggle between 225 and 240 pounds. Athleticism gives him cover ability that former teammate Reggie Ragland never possessed. Has Pro Bowl potential as a 3-4 inside linebacker or a 4-3 weak-side linebacker, but concerns over his medical history could be a consideration, according to some teams.


2nd round = S Bubba Baker, Washington

Undersized free safety with the heart of a linebacker. Baker plays with a competitive desire that leaps off the field when you watch him thanks to elite football character and above-average explosiveness. While he is undersized, he makes up for it with his football instincts and plus play speed. Baker has the talent to become a play-making safety with Pro Bowl potential if he can sustain his health. NFL Comparison = Bob Sanders


3rd round = DE/OLB DeMarcus Walker, Florida State

Walker's sack totals are impressive, but he's not the type of "early win" sack artist that generally post those types of numbers. He's a base end with power to hold up at the point, but better suited to reduce inside as interior rusher on passing downs. Walker lacks the desired size and physical traits teams look for off the edge; a move to three-technique isn't out of the question.


4th round = DE/NT Eddie Vanderdoes, UCLA

Any evaluation of Vanderdoes is incomplete until studying 2014 and the Virginia game of 2015, but balancing that tape against his 2016 body of work will be the challenge. He's athletic and powerful, but his weight and health of his knee could be a concern. He has the talent to become a disruptive, productive starter if his body bounces back to his earlier form. If not, he's still a solid rotational defensive tackle.


4th round = OG Ethan Cooper, Indiana (PA)

Cooper is tough to get a read on due to the level of competition he plays. He is good but not dominant as a run blocker, which is a little surprising based on his girthy frame. He doesn't play with as much hip torque as you want so he will probably always have some limitations as a drive blocker. He's a decent athlete with an NFL frame and that should help him go as a developmental Day 3 draft prospect.


4th round = RB Kareem Hunt, Toledo

Big back with plus vision and enough elusiveness to make the first defender miss. Feel for the rushing lane helps him choose the correct path between the tackles but lacks the burst to turn the 4-yard run into 14. Zone-scheme runner with serviceable hands out of the backfield. Adequate in most areas and has talent to become a backup that can step in and handle a bigger load if needed.


What do you think?

As for me, while I like Foster as an ILB, I would be disappointed in our miss at a pass rush talent. In this mock, the only defensive front-7 to be picked prior to pick #15 are:

Myles Garrett #1 overall
Solomon Thomas, #3 overall
Jonathan Allen, #9 overall
Derek Barnett, #11 overall

We would have our pick of any other front-7 defender in the draft at #15 in this mock.

Cheers,

ukcolt
03-16-2017, 08:43 AM
I like Foster although he does have a bit of an injury concern, which makes me wary. Bubba Baker i love, but i don't think that this is a position of need as he is similar to Geathers. I don't think you would want to have Geathers and Baker as our safeties against the pass! Walker i don't like at all as a pass rusher.... although he is quite good against the run. Vanderdoes is a decent enough pick in the 4th but i am not sure he is a true NT, and hopefully will be more recovered from his 15 injury. Cooper is a decent pickup, and should provide solid competition at RG. Kareem Hunt would be a solid selection.

Instead of Baker i prefer to take either Bowser to help with the rush, or probably the best player still available at a position of need CB Adoree; Jackson. I would much prefer to take a flyer on Sidney Jones who was still available in this draft in the 3rd than to take Walker.

Actually with the guys still available i would have gone:
Reuben Foster - ILB
Adoree' Jackson - CB
Sidney Jones - CB
Anthony Walker - ILB
And stick with both Cooper and Hunt.....although this still doesn't address the need for a pass rush.

In the long run i think this draft could provide us with 4 or 5 starters for the 2018 season.

sherck
03-16-2017, 09:31 AM
I like Foster although he does have a bit of an injury concern, which makes me wary. Bubba Baker i love, but i don't think that this is a position of need as he is similar to Geathers. I don't think you would want to have Geathers and Baker as our safeties against the pass! Walker i don't like at all as a pass rusher.... although he is quite good against the run. Vanderdoes is a decent enough pick in the 4th but i am not sure he is a true NT, and hopefully will be more recovered from his 15 injury. Cooper is a decent pickup, and should provide solid competition at RG. Kareem Hunt would be a solid selection.

Instead of Baker i prefer to take either Bowser to help with the rush, or probably the best player still available at a position of need CB Adoree; Jackson. I would much prefer to take a flyer on Sidney Jones who was still available in this draft in the 3rd than to take Walker.

Actually with the guys still available i would have gone:
Reuben Foster - ILB
Adoree' Jackson - CB
Sidney Jones - CB
Anthony Walker - ILB
And stick with both Cooper and Hunt.....although this still doesn't address the need for a pass rush.

In the long run i think this draft could provide us with 4 or 5 starters for the 2018 season.
While your draft does not provide us with a pass rush stud, it stabilizes our LB corps (Sheard, Foster, Walker/Jackson/Morrison, Simon) into one that can at least approach or perhaps exceed NFL average by just a bit. That in its own right will propel our defense forward greatly from what we had last year.

Jackson and Davis as starting CBs with a re-signed Butler or Melvin as CB3 would hopefully be a bit of an upgrade over the CBs we fielded in 2016 and the return of Jones in 2018 would, hopefully, be pure win.

Safety with Geathers, Butler and Green would be....okay. NFL average, hopefully.

About the only thing that our free agency and your draft does not help stabilize is our NT position where we are sorely lacking bodies. Colts.com mail bag had one person asking an interesting question of if Arthur Jones could come over and give time at NT. While he would not be proto-typical at all, I do wonder about if he could give time at that position.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see how Ballard finishes up the 2nd phase of free agency prior to the draft and then conducts the draft. Still lots of holes to fill.

Cheers,

FatDT
03-16-2017, 10:55 AM
I think Walker is pretty underrated. Id love to get him in the 3rd.

Dam8610
03-16-2017, 02:09 PM
4 Round Mock from NFL.com Chad Reuter. All the player summaries are taken from the NFL.com draft tracker player profiles.


1st round = ILB Reuben Foster, Alabama

Foster is a vicious hitter with elite playmaking range and an ability to toggle between 225 and 240 pounds. Athleticism gives him cover ability that former teammate Reggie Ragland never possessed. Has Pro Bowl potential as a 3-4 inside linebacker or a 4-3 weak-side linebacker, but concerns over his medical history could be a consideration, according to some teams.


2nd round = S Bubba Baker, Washington

Undersized free safety with the heart of a linebacker. Baker plays with a competitive desire that leaps off the field when you watch him thanks to elite football character and above-average explosiveness. While he is undersized, he makes up for it with his football instincts and plus play speed. Baker has the talent to become a play-making safety with Pro Bowl potential if he can sustain his health. NFL Comparison = Bob Sanders


3rd round = DE/OLB DeMarcus Walker, Florida State

Walker's sack totals are impressive, but he's not the type of "early win" sack artist that generally post those types of numbers. He's a base end with power to hold up at the point, but better suited to reduce inside as interior rusher on passing downs. Walker lacks the desired size and physical traits teams look for off the edge; a move to three-technique isn't out of the question.


4th round = DE/NT Eddie Vanderdoes, UCLA

Any evaluation of Vanderdoes is incomplete until studying 2014 and the Virginia game of 2015, but balancing that tape against his 2016 body of work will be the challenge. He's athletic and powerful, but his weight and health of his knee could be a concern. He has the talent to become a disruptive, productive starter if his body bounces back to his earlier form. If not, he's still a solid rotational defensive tackle.


4th round = OG Ethan Cooper, Indiana (PA)

Cooper is tough to get a read on due to the level of competition he plays. He is good but not dominant as a run blocker, which is a little surprising based on his girthy frame. He doesn't play with as much hip torque as you want so he will probably always have some limitations as a drive blocker. He's a decent athlete with an NFL frame and that should help him go as a developmental Day 3 draft prospect.


4th round = RB Kareem Hunt, Toledo

Big back with plus vision and enough elusiveness to make the first defender miss. Feel for the rushing lane helps him choose the correct path between the tackles but lacks the burst to turn the 4-yard run into 14. Zone-scheme runner with serviceable hands out of the backfield. Adequate in most areas and has talent to become a backup that can step in and handle a bigger load if needed.


What do you think?

As for me, while I like Foster as an ILB, I would be disappointed in our miss at a pass rush talent. In this mock, the only defensive front-7 to be picked prior to pick #15 are:

Myles Garrett #1 overall
Solomon Thomas, #3 overall
Jonathan Allen, #9 overall
Derek Barnett, #11 overall

We would have our pick of any other front-7 defender in the draft at #15 in this mock.

Cheers,

I love Foster, but the Colts cannot walk away from the first 4 rounds of this draft with 0 pass rushers. You draft Foster at 1-15 then back it up with say T.J. Watt and maybe someone like Carl Lawson, and that works. Truth be told, I'd prefer getting a pass rusher in Round 1, then a ILB like McMillan or Cunningham later.

GoBigBlue88
03-16-2017, 02:38 PM
I love Foster, but the Colts cannot walk away from the first 4 rounds of this draft with 0 pass rushers. You draft Foster at 1-15 then back it up with say T.J. Watt and maybe someone like Carl Lawson, and that works. Truth be told, I'd prefer getting a pass rusher in Round 1, then a ILB like McMillan or Cunningham later.

Just my two cents, but no way in hell I'd take an OK pass rusher over Reuben Foster.

Coltsalr
03-16-2017, 04:12 PM
If Reuben Foster falls to us, then you take him. Period. Full stop.

Trade back into the 1st round or up within the 2nd round (three 4th round picks should provide fairly decent ammo) if you have a strong preference on which pass rusher you want behind him, fine. But Foster cannot be passed on, IMO.

That said, I do like several other ILB's. Hassan Reddick, Zach Cunningham, Reuben Foster, and Jarrad Davis. Damn, it'd be nice if we could somehow come away with any one of those, along with whichever pass rusher (Barnett, Williams, etc).

VeveJones007
03-16-2017, 07:14 PM
If Reuben Foster falls to us, then you take him. Period. Full stop.

Trade back into the 1st round or up within the 2nd round (three 4th round picks should provide fairly decent ammo) if you have a strong preference on which pass rusher you want behind him, fine. But Foster cannot be passed on, IMO.

That said, I do like several other ILB's. Hassan Reddick, Zach Cunningham, Reuben Foster, and Jarrad Davis. Damn, it'd be nice if we could somehow come away with any one of those, along with whichever pass rusher (Barnett, Williams, etc).

Reddick will be an EDGE player in the NFL.

VeveJones007
03-16-2017, 07:15 PM
Just my two cents, but no way in hell I'd take an OK pass rusher over Reuben Foster.

I really doubt he'll be there, but yes.

YDFL Commish
03-16-2017, 07:26 PM
Just my two cents, but no way in hell I'd take an OK pass rusher over Reuben Foster.

The rub is...identifying the OK pass rushers, from the blue chip pass rushers.

For instance, don't draft the next Jerry Hughes, that takes 4 yrs. to develop. BTW, that's what I think Tim Williams will be...the next Jerry Hughes.

YDFL Commish
03-16-2017, 07:34 PM
If Reuben Foster falls to us, then you take him. Period. Full stop.

Trade back into the 1st round or up within the 2nd round (three 4th round picks should provide fairly decent ammo) if you have a strong preference on which pass rusher you want behind him, fine. But Foster cannot be passed on, IMO.

That said, I do like several other ILB's. Hassan Reddick, Zach Cunningham, Reuben Foster, and Jarrad Davis. Damn, it'd be nice if we could somehow come away with any one of those, along with whichever pass rusher (Barnett, Williams, etc).

I don't think so. He's a 229 lb MLB that plays reckless with his body, and is often injured because of it. Plus the fact, that he seems like an idiot.

I do think (that I think) that Reddick will be an ILB in the NFL. He reminds me a lot Ryan Shazier, but with more possible upside.

To me Cunningham is strictly a 4-3 MIKE or WILL.

I gotta watch more of Davis, but as of now I would take Raekwon McMillan over him.

GoBigBlue88
03-16-2017, 07:35 PM
Since Colts need LB, S and RB from the draft, I actually wonder if there's any temptation to take Jabrill Peppers in Round 1, and figure out how much you play him & where based on how the rest of the draft goes.

omahacolt
03-16-2017, 08:13 PM
Since Colts need LB, S and RB from the draft, I actually wonder if there's any temptation to take Jabrill Peppers in Round 1, and figure out how much you play him & where based on how the rest of the draft goes.

Nope. None at all.

VeveJones007
03-16-2017, 08:24 PM
Since Colts need LB, S and RB from the draft, I actually wonder if there's any temptation to take Jabrill Peppers in Round 1, and figure out how much you play him & where based on how the rest of the draft goes.

Peppers is a late 1st prospect, possibly 2nd round. There will be a lot of better players on the board at 15.

Puck
03-16-2017, 08:51 PM
Ruben Foster visits the Eagles

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000793435/article/reports-reuben-foster-visits-eagles-joe-mixon-visits-broncos

VeveJones007
03-16-2017, 10:46 PM
Ruben Foster visits the Eagles

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000793435/article/reports-reuben-foster-visits-eagles-joe-mixon-visits-broncos

Fucking coin flip.

Dam8610
03-17-2017, 01:21 AM
Just my two cents, but no way in hell I'd take an OK pass rusher over Reuben Foster.

Cool. I agree. My point was more that the Colts cannot come away from the first 4 rounds of this draft without a pass rusher. Reuben Foster and T.J. Watt would be a great start to an LB corps. So would Derek Barnett and Zach Cunningham. So would Haason Reddick and Raekwon McMillan.

YDFL Commish
03-17-2017, 07:35 AM
Cool. I agree. My point was more that the Colts cannot come away from the first 4 rounds of this draft without a pass rusher. Reuben Foster and T.J. Watt would be a great start to an LB corps. So would Derek Barnett and Zach Cunningham. So would Haason Reddick and Raekwon McMillan.

My best guess, is that we will end up with some combination of those mentioned above.

natagu23
03-17-2017, 09:59 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfJDXra4L14

Gareon Conley breakdown.

I wouldn't mind him in the 1st at all.

sherck
03-17-2017, 10:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfJDXra4L14

Gareon Conley breakdown.

I wouldn't mind him in the 1st at all.
I like that he played as a press CB for 2 years as a starter at a top school.

I like his size and arm length. I like his combine speed.

I don't like that his NFL.com draft bio indicates that he is a bit slow to recognize and match patterns in man coverage.

I think that except for Lattimore, the Colts will pretty much have their pick of CBs now that Sidney Jones will tumble down (how far? Who knows?).

NFL.com has the following grades on the top CBs:

6.5 Marshon Lattimore, Ohio State
6.5 Sidney Jones, Washington (torn ACL; out for 2017)
6.1 Marlon Humphrey, Alabama
6.0 Tre'Davious White, LSU
5.9 Gareon Conley, Ohio State
5.9 Teez Tabor, Florida
5.8 Adoree' Jackson, USC
5.8 Rasul Douglas, West Virginia
5.8 Cordrea Tankersley, Clemson

Any of those guys could be 1st or top half of 2nd round picks.

Humphrey looks more like a zone guy to me.
I like White as a man corner but his run support skills are lacking.
Tabor has too much inconsistence for me.

If we pick a CB in the first round (assuming Lattimore is off the board), then I think Conley is probably the best fit for us.

Cheers,

Coltsalr
03-17-2017, 04:43 PM
Raekwon McMillian gets talked about a lot in here for our 2nd round pick as an ILB, but does any/everyone like him better than Jarrad Davis?

I like what I see more from Davis, here's the scouting reports:

Jarrad Davis:


OVERVIEW
The Gators collectively held their breath in October 2016, as Davis was taken off the field with a left leg injury. He attempted to play through that injury, but suffered another a couple of weeks later and had to sit out three games and most of a fourth. League coaches appreciated his leadership and production (60 tackles, six for loss, four pass breakups) enough to vote him second-team All-SEC, however. Davis built a reputation in his first three years, stepping in right away as a true freshman to play in every game (one start, 24 tackles, two for loss) and earn the team's Most Valuable Player on special teams. He was a key reserve in 2014, as well, before missing the last three games with an injury (23 tackles, one for loss.) Finally getting a chance to start as a junior, Davis didn't disappoint with 98 tackles, 11 for loss, 3.5 sacks and four pass breakups.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Angular build with long limbs and a shredded physique. Excellent flexibility throughout his trunk. Can twist and turn to slither into gaps. Plus acceleration to chase all over the field. Scouts say coaches are effusive in their praise of his leadership, work ethic and character. Can be rude to company. Erupts from coiled hips with a jarring pop under the pads of oncoming blockers. Runs downhill with choppy steps in balanced, tackle-ready position. Effective in spy role with athleticism to mirror mobile quarterbacks. Has closing burst that could become a weapon as a blitzer. Wrap-up tackler with strong finishing rate. Improved his discipline pursuing to the sideline. Did a better job of leveraging running backs against the boundary. Forceful redirect of tight ends out of their routes. Good peripheral helps him spot crossing routes without having to drop eyes from the quarterback. Has athletic tools to become better in coverage.
WEAKNESSES Downhill routes to the ball can be problematic. Will step too far downhill and get trapped in traffic on counters or bounces to the perimeter. Needs to play with more consistent technique and positioning to properly leverage his gaps against gap plays. Lateral scrapes sometimes lack patience forcing him to overrun run fits and open cutback lanes. Sometimes prioritizes attacking blockers too high. Has to get better at seeing and working past the blocker and toward the runner rather than issuing so many physical challenges that get him behind in pursuit. Could improve with greater stick-and-move hand work to keep himself clean. Struggles to free himself when snatched by blocker. Average instincts create inefficiency with early, post-snap movement.
SOURCES TELL US "He's good. I don't care about some of those holes you are talking about. Kill him so maybe somebody will listen to you and he can fall to us. We'll take him." -- AFC executive
NFL COMPARISON Shaq Thompson
BOTTOM LINE Praised for both his football and personal character, Davis has athletic gifts to go along with the character traits teams are looking for. His ability to cover ground, operate with loose hips in space, and finish his tackles make him a draft favorite for some teams. While it is easy to fall in love with the traits and potential, Will have to take better routes to the ball and learn to keep himself clean against blocks. Should be able to compete for an early starting job as a 4-3 outside backer.


http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/jarrad-davis?id=2557855

Stats to know: Davis ranked 209th among all FBS inside linebackers with at least 400 snaps played in tackling efficiency in 2017

What he does best:

Elite speed and explosiveness. Changes directions in a flash.
Willing to take on and deliver a blow to bigger blockers.
Viable pass-rusher because of his agility, burst and ability to time blitzes inside effectively; ranked 15th among FBS ILBs with at least 30 rushes in 2016 in pass-rush productivity.
Can close in a hurry when going forward. Can be an asset to a defense in short zones and perhaps a “spy” role.
Uses his quickness and toughness at the point of attack to win leverage on his gap when moving laterally, allowing him to effectively defeat blocks.
Can run with tight ends and backs downfield, flip his hips without breaking stride and look back to find the ball.
A weapon in the blitz game.
Biggest concern:

Out of control far too often on tackles – does not break down, tends to leave his feet far too often and never seems to get squared up to the runner.
Has the physical traits to play in coverage but tends to misdiagnose targets or lose his man in space.
Will get caught playing too close to the line of scrimmage and can get cut off easily on off tackle runs.
His play tailed off at the end of the season when he tried to play against Arkansas in Week 10 and Alabama in the conference championship game with injuries; he was clearly tentative at the snap and too easily controlled by blockers.
Player comparison: Bobby Wagner, Seattle Seahawks

Like Wagner, Davis is an elite athlete but is undersized for an inside linebacker. While that can inhibit him in some ways, Davis has everything needed to be a pro bowl linebacker.

Bottom line: Davis is an excellent athlete who possesses the first-step explosiveness to beat blocks to the point of attack as well as threaten the QB on pass rushes. He also has the speed and agility to drop effectively in coverage, and can stay with tight ends and backs all over the field. If he can improve his tackling, as well as become more consistent with his run keys, he clearly has the athletic skill set to be an every-down player at the NFL level.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-jarrad-davis-ilb-florida/


Raekwon McMillian-

OVERVIEW
McMillan couldn't pull off the double Butkus Award win as the best linebacker at both the high school (won in 2013) and collegiate levels (finalist in 2015), but his play during his three years in Columbus won over NFL scouts. He graduated from high school a semester early to join OSU football for spring practice, which paid off in the fall when he played in all 15 games, lining up for more snaps than the starter in nine of those contests. He won second-team All-Big Ten honors in 2015, leading the team with 119 tackles (four for loss, four pass breakups). McMillan didn't rack up quite as many tackles as a junior (102, seven for loss) but still gained recognition for his play as a second-team All-American and first-team All-Big Ten selection.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Downhill movement after the snap is his norm. Understands angles. Can outpace pulling guards to the spot with his play quickness. Reads his keys and responds. Plays with good anticipation of lane choice by the runner. Attacks hands-first into blockers with good arm extension to keep his frame clean. Good zone-cover ability. Reads quarterback's eyes and slides into passing lanes. Has added additional thickness during his tenure.
WEAKNESSES Struggles to leverage his gap as a take-on linebacker. Gets widened out of his gap by size. Gets trapped on the wrong side of the block. Tends to play over the top of a block rather than under it. Slow to disengage and tackle. Tight in his lower half. Missing the quick, reactive change of direction to consistently secure shifty runners. Delayed in stop-start pursuit to the sideline. Has some limitations in man coverage.
SOURCES TELL US "I see him as a backup early on who will become a starter at SAM (strong-side) for a 4-3 team. He's been pretty productive but I don't see anything special." -- South area scout for NFC team
NFL COMPARISON Mason Foster
BOTTOM LINE McMillan has too many issues standing his ground and leveraging his gap as an interior run defender and could end up outside in the pros. He might have benefited from playing alongside a slew of NFL talent, but he's active and plays the game with good instincts. He has the potential to become an average starter in the league.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/raekwon-mcmillan?id=2558070

Stats to know: His 25 stops over his last four games was the second-most among Power-5 linebackers during that stretch.

What he does best:

Has the power to take on fullbacks in the hole
Stays square to the line of scrimmage when pursuing to the boundary
Works well off leverage of DT, which allows him to attack holes at the line of scrimmage
Reads run keys well – doesn’t get fooled by misdirection, doesn’t lose gap integrity
Wraps up extremely well. Great understanding of the strike zone
Biggest concern:

Struggles to find targets, affect throwing lanes in zone coverage
Almost all of his plays versus the run come unblocked. Rarely plays through blocks to finish
Struggles to change directions against elusive ball carriers
Does not consistently get proper depth in zone coverage
Don’t see the speed required to consistently stay with NFL backs and TEs in coverage
Lacks explosiveness and agility to be an effective blitzer
Player comparison: C.J. Mosley, Baltimore Ravens

Like Mosley, McMillan is a solid run defender who can give up plays in coverage. This comparison does not apply to pass-rush ability, as Mosley has been productive in this capacity for the Ravens, while McMillan has not displayed the skill set in college needed to be effective at the next level.

Bottom line:

McMillan looks the part physically and at times flashes the ability to stand up fullbacks in the hole, but he doesn’t consistently attack (or protect his frame) with his hands, and blockers are thus able to swallow him up off the ball. He had a number of negatively graded plays in 2016 because he did not recognize assignments in zone coverage and failed to get proper depth, and his general play against the pass at Ohio State may have some teams worried that he is just a two-down player at the next level. Teams concerned about his viability against the pass (he also shows limited burst and agility when rushing the passer) may not view him as a full-time starter in today’s game.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-raekwon-mcmillan-ilb-ohio-state/

And while it's possible that Jarrad Davis will just go significantly higher than Raekwon McMillian, I'm not sure that's a sure thing. Matt Miller's latest Mock has Jarrad Davis going one spot ahead of us in the 2nd round and then us coming away with McMillian. If we get to around 2.10 and Davis is still available (and assuming we went pass rush in the 1st round, and arguably even if we didn't), then I'll be screaming for Ballard to trade up:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2698339-matt-millers-scouting-notebook-clemson-pro-day-new-2-round-mock-draft-more

Again, we need to get FASTER as a defense. Having slower ILB's that can't cover is what we DO have.

I'll need to be sold on McMillian, I'm just not seeing it on what he does for us.

YDFL Commish
03-17-2017, 06:15 PM
Raekwon McMillian gets talked about a lot in here for our 2nd round pick as an ILB, but does any/everyone like him better than Jarrad Davis?

I like what I see more from Davis, here's the scouting reports:

Jarrad Davis:



http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/jarrad-davis?id=2557855



https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-jarrad-davis-ilb-florida/


Raekwon McMillian-



http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/raekwon-mcmillan?id=2558070



https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-raekwon-mcmillan-ilb-ohio-state/

And while it's possible that Jarrad Davis will just go significantly higher than Raekwon McMillian, I'm not sure that's a sure thing. Matt Miller's latest Mock has Jarrad Davis going one spot ahead of us in the 2nd round and then us coming away with McMillian. If we get to around 2.10 and Davis is still available (and assuming we went pass rush in the 1st round, and arguably even if we didn't), then I'll be screaming for Ballard to trade up:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2698339-matt-millers-scouting-notebook-clemson-pro-day-new-2-round-mock-draft-more

Again, we need to get FASTER as a defense. Having slower ILB's that can't cover is what we DO have.

I'll need to be sold on McMillian, I'm just not seeing it on what he does for us.

I'll watch some of Davis's tape this weekend. I will say that they did get one thing right about McMillan.

Once he's blocked by an O-Linemen, he usually stays blocked. It's mostly due to bad technique and leading with the wrong shoulder though.. That can be coached out of him.

Coltsalr
03-17-2017, 06:39 PM
I'll watch some of Davis's tape this weekend. I will say that they did get one thing right about McMillan.

Once he's blocked by an O-Linemen, he usually stays blocked. It's mostly due to bad technique and leading with the wrong shoulder though.. That can be coached out of him.

By OUR coaching staff? I'm a bit skeptical.

Do you disagree with their assessment that McMillian lacks some speed? I'm more of an SEC fan, so I'll confess to not having watched tons of McMillian. Do let me know what you think on Davis, I don't review tape or watch too closely/analytically, but like I said, I do watch SEC and I'd love to have some of that Florida speed on our defense. Grigson must've gotten the only slow guy from that D in Antonio Morrison last year.

VeveJones007
03-17-2017, 07:09 PM
Raekwon McMillian gets talked about a lot in here for our 2nd round pick as an ILB, but does any/everyone like him better than Jarrad Davis?

I like what I see more from Davis, here's the scouting reports:

Jarrad Davis:



http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/jarrad-davis?id=2557855



https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-jarrad-davis-ilb-florida/


Raekwon McMillian-



http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/raekwon-mcmillan?id=2558070



https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-raekwon-mcmillan-ilb-ohio-state/

And while it's possible that Jarrad Davis will just go significantly higher than Raekwon McMillian, I'm not sure that's a sure thing. Matt Miller's latest Mock has Jarrad Davis going one spot ahead of us in the 2nd round and then us coming away with McMillian. If we get to around 2.10 and Davis is still available (and assuming we went pass rush in the 1st round, and arguably even if we didn't), then I'll be screaming for Ballard to trade up:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2698339-matt-millers-scouting-notebook-clemson-pro-day-new-2-round-mock-draft-more

Again, we need to get FASTER as a defense. Having slower ILB's that can't cover is what we DO have.

I'll need to be sold on McMillian, I'm just not seeing it on what he does for us.

Either would be excellent gets at 2.14. I still think EDGE at 1.15 and ILB at 2.14 has the most value.

Hopefully Ballard can identify good CBs later (or Jones falls to the 3rd).

YDFL Commish
03-18-2017, 04:03 PM
By OUR coaching staff? I'm a bit skeptical.

Do you disagree with their assessment that McMillian lacks some speed? I'm more of an SEC fan, so I'll confess to not having watched tons of McMillian. Do let me know what you think on Davis, I don't review tape or watch too closely/analytically, but like I said, I do watch SEC and I'd love to have some of that Florida speed on our defense. Grigson must've gotten the only slow guy from that D in Antonio Morrison last year.

Sorry Dude, But I watched Davis's games against Bama and Vandy, and he looked flat out horrible to me.

He's excellent in coverage, looks like he has speed and is willing to take on blocks. But that's the end of the positives. He really knocked Cam Robinson back on his heels when taking him on, early in the Bama game.

His instincts and overall play making in the running game are almost non-existent though.

I wouldn't draft him earlier than the 4th round.

Coltsalr
03-18-2017, 06:18 PM
Sorry Dude, But I watched Davis's games against Bama and Vandy, and he looked flat out horrible to me.

He's excellent in coverage, looks like he has speed and is willing to take on blocks. But that's the end of the positives. He really knocked Cam Robinson back on his heels when taking him on, early in the Bama game.

His instincts and overall play making in the running game are almost non-existent though.

I wouldn't draft him earlier than the 4th round.

His scouting report says that his play tailed off down the stretch during the season, most notably against Bama when he was out of gas due to injuries wearing on him.

So if it was a nagging injury that's now healed, that is something to keep in mind. Then again, there's something to be said about being leery of guys hitting the rookie wall, and if it's a guy that ran out of gas in college, that might seem like a prime candidate.

The fact that he is so good in coverage and has speed kinda does it for me though. I'm really sick of our defense being too slow and our LB'a being unable to cover as a result. I feel like he'd be able to inject some of what we badly need the most.

omahacolt
03-18-2017, 06:30 PM
His scouting report says that his play tailed off down the stretch during the season, most notably against Bama when he was out of gas due to injuries wearing on him.

So if it was a nagging injury that's now healed, that is something to keep in mind. Then again, there's something to be said about being leery of guys hitting the rookie wall, and if it's a guy that ran out of gas in college, that might seem like a prime candidate.

The fact that he is so good in coverage and has speed kinda does it for me though. I'm really sick of our defense being too slow and our LB'a being unable to cover as a result. I feel like he'd be able to inject some of what we badly need the most.

do you have any idea how many scouting reports are wrong every year?

VeveJones007
03-18-2017, 07:26 PM
Then why do people constantly bitch about his missed tackles

do you have any idea how many scouting reports are wrong every year?

Which is it?

Coltsalr
03-18-2017, 07:33 PM
do you have any idea how many scouting reports are wrong every year?

Yes, was there a point here?

smitty46953
03-18-2017, 08:39 PM
do you have any idea how many scouting reports are wrong every year?

Six ??? :cool:

omahacolt
03-18-2017, 09:27 PM
Which is it?

I was asking the question? Are they wrong about his tackling ability?

You seemed to have watched him closely

apballin
03-19-2017, 02:18 PM
ok after signing numerous LB's then resigning Butler I wouldn't be surprised if we go Oline in the 1st

Coltsalr
03-19-2017, 03:24 PM
ok after signing numerous LB's then resigning Butler I wouldn't be surprised if we go Oline in the 1st

I wouldn't be surprised by it, nor would I bitch toooo much about it, but I wouldn't agree with it. Keep it going on LB'a for the first two rounds at least. Gimme an ILB and a pass rusher and then we can start talking about the rest of the team.

Puck
03-19-2017, 03:29 PM
I wouldn't be surprised by it, nor would I bitch toooo much about it, but I wouldn't agree with it. Keep it going on LB'a for the first two rounds at least. Gimme an ILB and a pass rusher and then we can start talking about the rest of the team.


We dont need 10 lbr's and no one playing CB.

Puck
03-19-2017, 03:30 PM
Take BPA. At 15. No matter the position

sherck
03-19-2017, 04:24 PM
Take BPA. At 15. No matter the position
Other than QB, TE and probably WR.

Cheers,

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omahacolt
03-19-2017, 04:45 PM
Take BPA. At 15. No matter the position

On defense sure. I don't see any offensive player that should be taken there

YDFL Commish
03-19-2017, 05:07 PM
Take BPA. At 15. No matter the position

With the 15th pick in the 2017 NFL Draft the Indianapolis Colts select TE-O.J. Howard, Alabama.

Is that what you meant?

Coltsalr
03-19-2017, 05:14 PM
With the 15th pick in the 2017 NFL Draft the Indianapolis Colts select TE-O.J. Howard, Alabama.

Is that what you meant?

Heh, Mel Kiper has Dalvin Cook at #8 and Mike Williams at #9 on his Big Board. Both are possible/probable to still be available when we come up at #15.

This BPA, come hell or high water approach can get you in trouble in a hurry.

No, we don't need 10 LB's, but we do need ones that are good. I like Sheard and Simon, I'm okay with the upside of Mingo/Spence, but I also know that we need more TALENT there.

Pass rush and ILB for the first two picks is my preference.

Puck
03-19-2017, 05:40 PM
On defense sure. I don't see any offensive player that should be taken there

Maybe OT. But I don't think they would be BPA anyway. Could be a RB but I doubt they grade out that much ahead of a CB or LB

apballin
03-19-2017, 09:18 PM
I can't see drafting a RB, or a LB after investing all your FA $ in LB's

Our 1st round pick needs to contribute immediately and at this point I'd say the weakest position on this team is the right side of the O line

Coltsalr
03-19-2017, 09:21 PM
A few of the pass rushers I think could contribute Day One, particularly Tim Williams.

I also like Reuben Foster as a potential Day One difference maker at ILB.

sherck
03-19-2017, 09:40 PM
OLB(RUSH), ILB, CB in first 3 rounds.

CB, Safety and Wildcard (any position) in 4th round.

NT in 5th round.

That would be a great off-season IMO.

Cheers,

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Puck
03-19-2017, 10:17 PM
When was the last time a Colts team drafted a player that wasn't BPA?


We go through this every year and yet you all are surprised when they draft the way that 90% of all good GM's do. BPA

sherck
03-19-2017, 11:09 PM
When was the last time a Colts team drafted a player that wasn't BPA?

Any year that Chris Polian or Ryan Grigson were leading our draft?

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Puck
03-19-2017, 11:18 PM
Any year that Chris Polian or Ryan Grigson were leading our draft?

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With that assessment then you agree it should be BPA

Dam8610
03-20-2017, 12:10 AM
When was the last time a Colts team drafted a player that wasn't BPA?


We go through this every year and yet you all are surprised when they draft the way that 90% of all good GM's do. BPA

Grigson didn't draft BPA. He drafted bad players, mostly.

VeveJones007
03-20-2017, 12:11 AM
OLB(RUSH), ILB, CB in first 3 rounds.

CB, Safety and Wildcard (any position) in 4th round.

NT in 5th round.

That would be a great off-season IMO.

Cheers,

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Wildcard should be a RB in the 4th or 5th.

Puck
03-20-2017, 12:17 AM
Grigson didn't draft BPA. He drafted bad players, mostly.


So in your opinion not drafting BPA was a bad idea.

Glad you agree

Dam8610
03-20-2017, 12:20 AM
So in your opinion not drafting BPA was a bad idea.

Glad you agree

I believe drafting the correct intersection of BPA and need is the best idea.

FatDT
03-20-2017, 05:37 AM
All teams draft BPA according to their board, and lots of people will disagree with each other about who is best. It's a dumb argument.

albany ed
03-20-2017, 10:01 AM
My strategy would be to get a BPA ranking from all of my staff and then when it comes to the draft pick, take the BPA, unless it's in a position you're already strong in. If that's the case, trade down.

Puck
03-20-2017, 10:08 AM
My strategy would be to get a BPA ranking from all of my staff and then when it comes to the draft pick, take the BPA, unless it's in a position you're already strong in. If that's the case, trade down.


Yes trade if possible... but what if you cant trade? Take the player you want even if he's graded at 8-10 players later, or do you take BPA at another position?

sherck
03-20-2017, 10:44 AM
Yes trade if possible... but what if you cant trade? Take the player you want even if he's graded at 8-10 players later, or do you take BPA at another position?
I wonder how big their "bucket" is when it comes to grouping talent for BPA?

In the first round, my guess is that the round is grouped AT LEAST into thirds. Top ten, middle ten, bottom third. Finding someone as BPA from your general position is probably pretty easy unless you only judge 10 guys as 1st round talent which I don't think is the case in this draft class.

However, in lower rounds, how closely do you think they group folks? By round? By half round (top half 3rd round, bottom half 3rd round)? By third of a round still?

Your comment of grading someone 10 slots later than your pick. I just wonder how closely the NFL teams grade folks.

Cheers,

Dam8610
03-20-2017, 12:04 PM
I wonder how big their "bucket" is when it comes to grouping talent for BPA?

In the first round, my guess is that the round is grouped AT LEAST into thirds. Top ten, middle ten, bottom third. Finding someone as BPA from your general position is probably pretty easy unless you only judge 10 guys as 1st round talent which I don't think is the case in this draft class.

However, in lower rounds, how closely do you think they group folks? By round? By half round (top half 3rd round, bottom half 3rd round)? By third of a round still?

Your comment of grading someone 10 slots later than your pick. I just wonder how closely the NFL teams grade folks.

Cheers,

Usually they just put round grades on players with an understanding of their positioning in the round. At least that's what everything I've seen, read, and heard about on the subject suggests.

Wyatt
03-20-2017, 03:09 PM
@RapSheet
#Bama LB Reuben Foster had dinner last night with the #Bears staff and is visiting the team today, source says. Chicago picks No. 3.

Dam8610
03-20-2017, 05:58 PM
@RapSheet
#Bama LB Reuben Foster had dinner last night with the #Bears staff and is visiting the team today, source says. Chicago picks No. 3.

No way they'd pick him at 3. Maybe they think there's a chance he could fall out of the first round?

sherck
03-20-2017, 07:06 PM
No way they'd pick him at 3. Maybe they think there's a chance he could fall out of the first round?
More likely that they have a contingency offer for the #3 pick and might be interested in him further down in the first round at, say, #8 - #12.

Cheers,

YDFL Commish
03-20-2017, 07:46 PM
More likely that they have a contingency offer for the #3 pick and might be interested in him further down in the first round at, say, #8 - #12.

Cheers,

Also teams wanna get to know players that they are not sure about mentally. Reuben Foster definitely qualifies there.

sherck
03-21-2017, 08:24 PM
While we knew it was bad....

The 2013 draft class was a disaster for the Indianapolis Colts, but they weren’t alone.

That was a rough draft for pretty much the entire league, and in fact the Colts are one of five teams to have zero members of that draft class still with the team that drafted them, along with the Bills, Browns, Broncos, and Jaguars.
Holy crud, that is terrible.

I am SO glad Grigson is gone.

Cheers,

Wyatt
03-22-2017, 07:53 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7fENz0W0AITKrZ.jpg

Puck
03-22-2017, 07:55 AM
This makes it easier to see all the needs that are left.
That is a HUGE GLARING HOLE at CB

They left out Jones.... Hmmm

Wyatt
03-22-2017, 07:56 AM
That is a HUGE GLARING HOLE at CB

agreed, CB is scary thin

Also feel free to remove this post in the Cap Space thread

Puck
03-22-2017, 08:05 AM
agreed, CB is scary thin

Also feel free to remove this post in the Cap Space thread

Maybe Tevaun Mitchel will step up this yr. I think he will make team as depth

sherck
03-22-2017, 09:37 AM
As for that chart, it is a pretty good find but I disagree with a few of their assessments.

Backup Left Guard should not be red. Slotting almost any of our offensive linemen into “only one” slot if foolish with how Philbin has stressed flexibility. Whoever of Haeg, Good or Schwenke does not win the starting Right Guard spot will be depth across all spots.

Turbin should be RB2 with the red “roster spot to be filled” as the RB3 spot. While he might get beat out for the duties depending on what else we do in the draft or free agency at RB, he was signed to be that guy.

I could say that same thing about the TE depth chart as the RB one. Swoope is the TE2 unless beat out by someone else. The spot to be filled is TE3.

There is not a better NT available right now (except possibly Hankins) in either free agency or the draft than Woods or Parry. While we need a stud there for the long-term success of the team, thinking that the need will be filled this year is now foolish.

No complaints about ILB or CB. I could argue that Melvin could be our Nickel CB but we need help everywhere at CB so…..

Yeah, Arthur Jones is not listed anywhere on their chart. I wonder if they know something that we do not…. 

Cheers,

Wyatt
03-22-2017, 09:53 AM
Indianapolis Colts Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama | Watch highlights Let's be clear here: I don't have Foster, a top-five talent, dropping because of his bizarre combine ejection. He's dropping here because not many teams above the Colts at No. 15 need a true inside linebacker. The Bengals and Saints, for instance, have both signed inside linebackers in free agency. Whichever team takes Foster, though, is getting a big-time, sideline-to-sideline defender with All-Pro potential. Indianapolis has done a solid job of upgrading its roster this offseason, and picking Foster (6-0, 229) is another step toward defensive respectability.

sherck
03-22-2017, 10:09 AM
Indianapolis Colts Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama | Watch highlights Let's be clear here: I don't have Foster, a top-five talent, dropping because of his bizarre combine ejection. He's dropping here because not many teams above the Colts at No. 15 need a true inside linebacker. The Bengals and Saints, for instance, have both signed inside linebackers in free agency. Whichever team takes Foster, though, is getting a big-time, sideline-to-sideline defender with All-Pro potential. Indianapolis has done a solid job of upgrading its roster this offseason, and picking Foster (6-0, 229) is another step toward defensive respectability.
If Foster is there at #15, you pick him without hesitation.

He has the physical skills that the Colts have not had at ILB/MLB since....yeah, I cannot think of another ILB/MLB that Colts have had with his physical skills.

With Foster, it is all about his head. Does he have the mental ability to learn a defense, employ that defense and keep focused on football even in the off season? If the answer to those questions are yes, then you take him.

While I want Pass Rush, Foster would make the entire defense that much better, instantly.

Cheers,

Puck
03-22-2017, 11:45 AM
If Foster is there at #15, you pick him without hesitation.

He has the physical skills that the Colts have not had at ILB/MLB since....yeah, I cannot think of another ILB/MLB that Colts have had with his physical skills.

With Foster, it is all about his head. Does he have the mental ability to learn a defense, employ that defense and keep focused on football even in the off season? If the answer to those questions are yes, then you take him.

While I want Pass Rush, Foster would make the entire defense that much better, instantly.

Cheers,

I think I am on the Hassan Riddick bandwagon over Foster

Wyatt
03-22-2017, 11:49 AM
@ShouldntBragBut 56s56 seconds ago
Colts met with the extremely athletic CB Shaquill Griffin (Central Florida)

Wyatt
03-22-2017, 11:51 AM
@ShouldntBragBut 53s53 seconds ago
A Colts scout was very attentive to the workout of BC QB Patrick Towels at his pro day:

Wyatt
03-22-2017, 11:52 AM
@ShouldntBragBut 8s8 seconds ago
A Colts scout spent time with ILB Brian Bell after the Penn State Pro Day:

sherck
03-22-2017, 11:55 AM
I think I am on the Hassan Riddick bandwagon over Foster
I like Riddick. I think he could be a defensive mainstay for a decade on whichever team he lands on. If it were the Colts, I would not be disappointed.

However, Foster is heads and shoulders above Riddick in athleticism. Now, we don't know if Foster's head will ever allow his shoulders to play at that level (okay, bad pun) but if the staff felt like Foster was teachable and trainable, you don't pass him over.

However, I sort of hope that Foster is picked above us so that we don't have to make that decision and we can grab a kid at OLB, ILB or CB that has their head on straight, has great character & leadership and great (if not titanic) physical skills.

Cheers,

sherck
03-22-2017, 12:10 PM
@ShouldntBragBut 8s8 seconds ago
A Colts scout spent time with ILB Brian Bell after the Penn State Pro Day:
It appears to be ILB Brandon Bell from Penn State and he is projected as a 7th rounder or UDFA. Nothing special that I can see from any of the quick looking I just did.

Cheers,

GoBigBlue88
03-22-2017, 01:17 PM
I think I am on the Hassan Riddick bandwagon over Foster

I'm not there yet, but I'm starting to hear this one out (and the only ILB I'd consider over Foster even in conversation).

rcubed
03-22-2017, 01:42 PM
nice graphic wyatt. wow on CB, I knew we were thin, but...

VeveJones007
03-22-2017, 01:44 PM
I'm not there yet, but I'm starting to hear this one out (and the only ILB I'd consider over Foster even in conversation).

The thing with Riddick is that he can move to a rush position on passing downs, which adds some value. Frankly, I'm not sure he's an ILB at all from the tape I've seen of him. Sure, he'll get pushed around a bit in the run game, but there's a lot of Robert Mathis in him coming off the edge. Why waste that at ILB on run downs?

YDFL Commish
03-22-2017, 02:31 PM
It appears to be ILB Brandon Bell from Penn State and he is projected as a 7th rounder or UDFA. Nothing special that I can see from any of the quick looking I just did.

Cheers,


I've watched Brandon Bell play many times. He's a damn good ILB, who I wouldn't mind seeing as a Colt.

sherck
03-22-2017, 03:21 PM
Then I hope he goes undrafted because unless we trade down we have no 6th or 7th round pick to use on him.

Cheers,

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Wyatt
03-23-2017, 06:04 AM
@Colton_Wood08
R.J.Shelton said he has met with numerous NFL teams and is flying to visit the Colts tonight.

sherck
03-23-2017, 07:40 AM
@Colton_Wood08
R.J.Shelton said he has met with numerous NFL teams and is flying to visit the Colts tonight.
Walter Football does not have him ranked within their top 50 WRs.
No other prospect ranking that I an find has him either.

He did return Kickoffs for the Spartans but did not return Punts.

UDFA. Perhaps a return guy. I don't see anything else.


Cheers,

sherck
03-23-2017, 07:50 AM
Maurice Jones-Drew did a ranking of all the draft RBs over on NFL.com (located here (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000794476/article/joe-mixon-dalvin-cook-rank-atop-list-of-2017-rb-prospects)).

In it, he listed 4 guys as "Day One starters on any NFL Team:"
#01 Joe Mixon, Oklahoma
#02 Dalvin Cook, Florida Stats
#03 Leonard Fournette, LSU
#04 Christian McCaffrey, Stanford

He then listed another 11 RBs as "System Players" whom he thinks can come in, provide quality depth and get good touches. His ranking:

#05 Brian Hill, Wyoming
#06 Jamaal Williams, BYU
#07 Alvin Kamara, Tennessee
#08 Samaje Perine, Oklahoma
#09 Aaron Jones, UTEP
#10 Marion Mack, South Florida
#11 Tarik Cohen, North Carolina A&T
#12 Jeremy McNichois, Boise State
#13 Kareem Hunt, Toledo
#14 D'Onta Foreman, Texas
#15 Donnel Pumphrey, San Diego State
#16 James Conner, Pittsburgh

The nice thing is that a lot of mock drafts that I look at have a numbe of those RBs (in the 10-16 range) often still available in the 4th round.

I think our chances of getting a RB in the 4th round that has the ability to provide quality depth behind Gore this season and behind a new rookie stud next season is pretty high.

Off of MJDs short blurbs, I like Kareem Hunt, Jeremy McNichols and Aaron Jones the best of those who might be around in the 4th. I think I am going to trust MJDs vision of RBs because he was a pretty darn good one in his own right.

Cheers,

Wyatt
03-23-2017, 08:12 AM
@DraftAnalyst1
#Cincinnati LB Eric Wilson ran near a 4.5s 40-yd dash, jumped a 39.5" vert & met w/ the #Jaguars, #Jets, & #Colts:

sherck
03-23-2017, 08:35 AM
@DraftAnalyst1
#Cincinnati LB Eric Wilson ran near a 4.5s 40-yd dash, jumped a 39.5" vert & met w/ the #Jaguars, #Jets, & #Colts:
But yet another kid whom was not combine invited, is not listed on any of the prospect rankings and appears to be a UDFA.

??


Cheers,

sherck
03-23-2017, 12:17 PM
I am settling into a draft board that pretty much looks like:

1st round = ILB Hassan Riddick, Temple or OLB Tim Williams, Alabama

2nd round = CB Howard Wilson, Houston (or Cordrea Tankersley if he is still available but I doubt he makes it that far)

3rd round = BPA in the defensive front-7

4th round = CB, TE, RB

5th round = Best 3-4 NT prospect left (which might be all of them; none are expected to draft high)

That would be 3 new players in the defensive front-7, 2 CBs and then immediate depth at RB and TE.

Hopefully, snag a few 53 man surprise cast offs and see what happens.

Cheers,

VeveJones007
03-23-2017, 12:31 PM
I am settling into a draft board that pretty much looks like:

1st round = ILB Hassan Riddick, Temple or OLB Tim Williams, Alabama

2nd round = CB Howard Wilson, Houston (or Cordrea Tankersley if he is still available but I doubt he makes it that far)

3rd round = BPA in the defensive front-7

4th round = CB, TE, RB

5th round = Best 3-4 NT prospect left (which might be all of them; none are expected to draft high)

That would be 3 new players in the defensive front-7, 2 CBs and then immediate depth at RB and TE.

Hopefully, snag a few 53 man surprise cast offs and see what happens.

Cheers,

I think first two picks will look like this:

1st = Foster, Reddick, or Harris
2nd = Cunningham or McMillan (if Reddick or Harris in 1st), or best CB available

rcubed
03-23-2017, 12:32 PM
I am settling into a draft board that pretty much looks like:

1st round = ILB Hassan Riddick, Temple or OLB Tim Williams, Alabama

2nd round = CB Howard Wilson, Houston (or Cordrea Tankersley if he is still available but I doubt he makes it that far)

3rd round = BPA in the defensive front-7

4th round = CB, TE, RB

5th round = Best 3-4 NT prospect left (which might be all of them; none are expected to draft high)

That would be 3 new players in the defensive front-7, 2 CBs and then immediate depth at RB and TE.

Hopefully, snag a few 53 man surprise cast offs and see what happens.

Cheers,
are you assuming foster wont be there at 15 or choosing to pass on him?

Puck
03-23-2017, 12:36 PM
I think the first pick will be Oline or CB whichever is BPA

Can you imagine how much better the offense would be with another Kelly type player on the Oline?

VeveJones007
03-23-2017, 12:47 PM
I think the first pick will be Oline or CB whichever is BPA

Can you imagine how much better the offense would be with another Kelly type player on the Oline?

Who is that player? The top of this draft sucks for o-lineman.

Puck
03-23-2017, 01:10 PM
Who is that player? The top of this draft sucks for o-lineman.

If you are drafting for need

Ryan Ramczyk (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/ryan-ramczyk?id=2557959), Wisconsin
Forrest Lamp (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/forrest-lamp?id=2557890), Western Kentucky
Cam Robinson (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/cam-robinson?id=2558004), Alabama
Garett Bolles (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/garett-bolles?id=2558014), Utah

VeveJones007
03-23-2017, 01:59 PM
If you are drafting for need

Ryan Ramczyk (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/ryan-ramczyk?id=2557959), Wisconsin
Forrest Lamp (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/forrest-lamp?id=2557890), Western Kentucky
Cam Robinson (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/cam-robinson?id=2558004), Alabama
Garett Bolles (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/garett-bolles?id=2558014), Utah

Fair enough. IMO, they need to see what they really have in Haeg and Clark before investing another valuable pick in the o-line. The defense is just so devoid of talent that it's imperative that they upgrade there.

sherck
03-23-2017, 02:26 PM
are you assuming foster wont be there at 15 or choosing to pass on him?

I do not think Foster will be there at #15.

If he is, then pick him but I don't think he will be there. I tried to be realistic in whom would be there.

Cheers,

Dam8610
03-23-2017, 02:31 PM
I am settling into a draft board that pretty much looks like:

1st round = ILB Hassan Riddick, Temple or OLB Tim Williams, Alabama

2nd round = CB Howard Wilson, Houston (or Cordrea Tankersley if he is still available but I doubt he makes it that far)

3rd round = BPA in the defensive front-7

4th round = CB, TE, RB

5th round = Best 3-4 NT prospect left (which might be all of them; none are expected to draft high)

That would be 3 new players in the defensive front-7, 2 CBs and then immediate depth at RB and TE.

Hopefully, snag a few 53 man surprise cast offs and see what happens.

Cheers,

Reddick is going to be a OLB in the NFL, and a perfect fit for a 3-4 defense.

natagu23
03-23-2017, 03:51 PM
Reddick is going to be a OLB in the NFL, and a perfect fit for a 3-4 defense.

He's too light to play on the outside. He could bulk up, but i see him more as a ilb or a 43 will.

Dam8610
03-23-2017, 06:25 PM
He's too light to play on the outside. He could bulk up, but i see him more as a ilb or a 43 will.

If he adds 10 pounds of good weight, he's 6'1" 247, which is plenty of size to play OLB in a 3-4 in the NFL.

YDFL Commish
03-23-2017, 06:57 PM
If he adds 10 pounds of good weight, he's 6'1" 247, which is plenty of size to play OLB in a 3-4 in the NFL.

To be honest...and I've said this before, I don't what Reddick is. But, if I had to give my order of best fits, it would be this:

4-3 WILL
3-4 ILB
4-3 MLB
3-4 Rush OLB
4-3 SAM
3-4 SAM

smitty46953
03-23-2017, 07:30 PM
I do not think Foster will be there at #15.

If he is, then pick him but I don't think he will be there. I tried to be realistic in whom would be there.

Cheers,

if Foster is there at #15 you take him and don't look back. Watched some of the clips with him and he is one quick, mean linebacker ... :cool:

Blue Thunder
03-23-2017, 07:32 PM
I don't know about you guys but unless Ballard grabs an experienced CB (whats left of them} in FA it won't matter for this year anyway. After Vontae, there is NOTHING behind him that's starter quality. Melvin is ok but as a #3 at best. I won't feel good about drafting a CB in the 2nd or 3rd round to be an instant starter either. We need a 1st round quality starter. We also need another CB in the 3rd or 4th just to have some talent in case of injury.

I'd love Reddick, or Foster, or Barnett in the 1st but to me the smart play is wait until round 2 for a LB. JMO

njcoltfan
03-23-2017, 09:01 PM
I don't know about you guys but unless Ballard grabs an experienced CB (whats left of them} in FA it won't matter for this year anyway. After Vontae, there is NOTHING behind him that's starter quality. Melvin is ok but as a #3 at best. I won't feel good about drafting a CB in the 2nd or 3rd round to be an instant starter either. We need a 1st round quality starter. We also need another CB in the 3rd or 4th just to have some talent in case of injury.

I'd love Reddick, or Foster, or Barnett in the 1st but to me the smart play is wait until round 2 for a LB. JMO
Not if one of those 3 are available !! If this is truly a throw away year, first 2 rounds are pass rushers and after that CB or defensive BPA !!!

Dam8610
03-23-2017, 09:58 PM
To be honest...and I've said this before, I don't what Reddick is. But, if I had to give my order of best fits, it would be this:

4-3 WILL
3-4 ILB
4-3 MLB
3-4 Rush OLB
4-3 SAM
3-4 SAM


He's too good at bending the edge to not be used on the outside. James Harrison is 6'0" 242 and he's had a great career as a 34 OLB. Robert Mathis at 6'2" 245 had the best season of his career as a 34 OLB. Haason Reddick at 6'1" 247 would be fine as a 34 OLB in terms of size, and he's the type of player who will succeed there.

omahacolt
03-23-2017, 11:36 PM
James Harrison is not 242 lbs

Blue Thunder
03-23-2017, 11:43 PM
Hey NJ...I'm not looking at this year as a throw away year. With all the bullshit in the front office, the usual injuries, low caliber coaching, and our defense, Colts make playoffs if not for 2 brutal 9th inning collapses. So. no I'm all in for immediate success with Ballard (if Andy's shoulder is indeed ok). We need CB's in a "passing league". I believe Ballard has increased our pass rush ability already over the last 2 seasons with the FA acquisitions. A good one in the draft and we're good.

Wyatt
03-24-2017, 06:53 AM
@ShouldntBragBut 4h4 hours ago
Michigan OG Kyle Kalis has an upcoming visit with the Colts and Indy was represented at their Pro Day:

Wyatt
03-24-2017, 06:55 AM
Chad Williams‏
Thanks @Colts for an amazing visit👍🏾

WR from Grambling State

Wyatt
03-24-2017, 07:00 AM
@Tyrant_Scouting Mar 22
@TomcatFB QB/WR Ryan Radke (@Ryanradke13 ) with pro day buzz from the Pittsburgh Steelers and Indianapolis Colts. @TheDreamBowl alumni.

Wyatt
03-24-2017, 07:11 AM
@MyColtsAccount 14h14 hours ago
Reports say Ballard likes EDGE Charles Harris (Missouri). Not my favourite pick @ 15, but that's a nice trade back option (along w/ Lawson).

njcoltfan
03-24-2017, 07:19 AM
Hey NJ...I'm not looking at this year as a throw away year. With all the bullshit in the front office, the usual injuries, low caliber coaching, and our defense, Colts make playoffs if not for 2 brutal 9th inning collapses. So. no I'm all in for immediate success with Ballard (if Andy's shoulder is indeed ok). We need CB's in a "passing league". I believe Ballard has increased our pass rush ability already over the last 2 seasons with the FA acquisitions. A good one in the draft and we're good.

OK, you are all in for immediate success, who's going to rush the passer ?? I would rather get my pass rushers in the first couple of rounds and make opposing QB's get rid of the ball before they want to. I guess it's just a matter of preference, either way this defense needs play making starters.

VeveJones007
03-24-2017, 08:56 AM
To be honest...and I've said this before, I don't what Reddick is. But, if I had to give my order of best fits, it would be this:

4-3 WILL
3-4 ILB
4-3 MLB
3-4 Rush OLB
4-3 SAM
3-4 SAM


If you're concerned about him setting the edge, then ILB on run downs and moving outside in passing situations.

Still, I think he'll primarily play EDGE in the NFL. If Clay Matthews and Robert Mathis can play on the outside, then so can Reddick.

Puck
03-24-2017, 09:00 AM
@MyColtsAccount 14h14 hours ago
Reports say Ballard likes EDGE Charles Harris (Missouri). Not my favourite pick @ 15, but that's a nice trade back option (along w/ Lawson).


I saw this earlier this month too

VeveJones007
03-24-2017, 09:00 AM
Hey NJ...I'm not looking at this year as a throw away year. With all the bullshit in the front office, the usual injuries, low caliber coaching, and our defense, Colts make playoffs if not for 2 brutal 9th inning collapses. So. no I'm all in for immediate success with Ballard (if Andy's shoulder is indeed ok). We need CB's in a "passing league". I believe Ballard has increased our pass rush ability already over the last 2 seasons with the FA acquisitions. A good one in the draft and we're good.

They absolutely need to improve both the pass rush and corner play. This draft can basically be BPA for any defensive position and it'll be the best course of action.

Wyatt
03-24-2017, 09:09 AM
I saw this earlier this month too

yep same here, it'll be interesting to see if Foster/Ridgeway aren't there at 1-15 if we try to trade back and get this guy

sherck
03-24-2017, 09:26 AM
yep same here, it'll be interesting to see if Foster/Ridgeway aren't there at 1-15 if we try to trade back and get this guy
Ridgeway?

You mean Riddick?

Cheers,

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Wyatt
03-24-2017, 09:46 AM
oh God, yes, thanks!

VeveJones007
03-24-2017, 10:16 AM
I saw this earlier this month too

Matt Miller (Bleacher Report) reported it. It's hard to know whether or not these types of "leaks" are misinformation; though, Miller did have a source last year that said the Colts were going to pick Kelly.

sherck
03-24-2017, 10:17 AM
yep same here, it'll be interesting to see if Foster/Ridgeway aren't there at 1-15 if we try to trade back and get this guy
So, as a complete hypothetical, using the draft trade value chart from Walter Football (they are all similar), would you rather have:

1-15 Hassan Riddick ?

---- OR -------

Trade 1-15 and 3-16 for Lions 1-21, 2-21 and 4-21

then

Trade 1-21 for Cowboys 1-28, 3-28

--------------------------------------------

In essence, trading Hassan Riddick for Charles Harris plus

2-21, 3-28, 4-21 while giving away 3-16 ?

Assuming that Charles Harris is available at 1-28 which most mock drafts have him being so.

Interesting question. It all depends on how Ballard and our staff rate the rookies available in the first round.

Cheers,

Wyatt
03-24-2017, 10:24 AM
So, as a complete hypothetical, using the draft trade value chart from Walter Football (they are all similar), would you rather have:

1-15 Hassan Riddick ?

---- OR -------

Trade 1-15 and 3-16 for Lions 1-21, 2-21 and 4-21

then

Trade 1-21 for Cowboys 1-28, 3-28

--------------------------------------------

In essence, trading Hassan Riddick for Charles Harris plus

2-21, 3-28, 4-21 while giving away 3-16 ?

Assuming that Charles Harris is available at 1-28 which most mock drafts have him being so.

Interesting question. It all depends on how Ballard and our staff rate the rookies available in the first round.

Cheers,

If this is the historic draft I keep hearing it is, then I like option 2, no doubt

VeveJones007
03-24-2017, 10:26 AM
@MyColtsAccount 14h14 hours ago
Reports say Ballard likes EDGE Charles Harris (Missouri). Not my favourite pick @ 15, but that's a nice trade back option (along w/ Lawson).

I like Harris a lot (more than Barnett, for instance). Like this says, I would prefer it if they got him after trading back. If they could go back to the early 20's, add a 3rd, and get Harris, it would be a really nice move.

VeveJones007
03-24-2017, 10:28 AM
So, as a complete hypothetical, using the draft trade value chart from Walter Football (they are all similar), would you rather have:

1-15 Hassan Riddick ?

---- OR -------

Trade 1-15 and 3-16 for Lions 1-21, 2-21 and 4-21

then

Trade 1-21 for Cowboys 1-28, 3-28

--------------------------------------------

In essence, trading Hassan Riddick for Charles Harris plus

2-21, 3-28, 4-21 while giving away 3-16 ?

Assuming that Charles Harris is available at 1-28 which most mock drafts have him being so.

Interesting question. It all depends on how Ballard and our staff rate the rookies available in the first round.

Cheers,

Option #2, please. I'd be happy if they just got 1.21+3.21 and picked Harris there.

GoBigBlue88
03-24-2017, 10:40 AM
Honestly, I'll be happy with a lot of draft picks this year. I would have only been happy with 2 or 3 last year.

sherck
03-24-2017, 11:11 AM
Honestly, I'll be happy with a lot of draft picks this year. I would have only been happy with 2 or 3 last year.
Hmmm...we seem to have hit oretty well ladt year. Kelly, Haeg are both keepers with Clark and Ridgeway showing a lot of oromise.

Green? We will see. I hope he shows more in year 2.

Morrison? Good depth at the least.

Blythe and Bates? Depth at best but what do you expect out of 7th round draft choices?

I thought we did well last year.

Cheers,

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YDFL Commish
03-24-2017, 03:25 PM
Hmmm...we seem to have hit oretty well ladt year. Kelly, Haeg are both keepers with Clark and Ridgeway showing a lot of oromise.

Green? We will see. I hope he shows more in year 2.

Morrison? Good depth at the least.

Blythe and Bates? Depth at best but what do you expect out of 7th round draft choices?

I thought we did well last year.

Cheers,

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Isn't Bates with the Pats now?

GoBigBlue88
03-24-2017, 03:41 PM
Hmmm...we seem to have hit oretty well ladt year. Kelly, Haeg are both keepers with Clark and Ridgeway showing a lot of oromise.

Green? We will see. I hope he shows more in year 2.

Morrison? Good depth at the least.

Blythe and Bates? Depth at best but what do you expect out of 7th round draft choices?

I thought we did well last year.

Cheers,

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It's a low bar if Clark and Ridgeway showed "a lot of promise"...

But what I was actually saying and didn't articulate well: this year, I'd feel good about a number of guys in the first round. Last year, there were only 2-3 guys I realistically wanted at that spot.

sherck
03-28-2017, 08:53 AM
Draft report on one of the best 3-4 NT prospects in this year's draft. Most project him as being drafted in the 5th or 6th round.

Name: Stevie Tu’ikolovatu

School: USC

Position fit: Nose tackle

Stats to know: Ranked third in the nation in run-stop percentage with 36 stops from 286 snaps.

What he does best:
•Decimates plays from the backside, almost impossible to reach block.
•Destroys inside zone when he is given solo opportunities on the front side.
•Violent hands, delivers a powerful strike to win the initial contact on a consistent basis.
•Narrows lanes by consistently driving offensive lineman vertically into the backfield.
•Embarrassed offensive linemen by rag-dolling blockers frequently at the point of attack.
•Able to fight off cut blocks with good hand placement.
•Impressive first step for a 350-pound prospect, gets off the ball well.
•Carried over his strong run defense to Senior Bowl practice where he was one of the top-graded players on a snap-to-snap basis.

Biggest concern:
•Fails to consistently shed without dominating initial contact.
•Struggles against double teams at the point of attack, can play high at times against multiple blockers.
•Finds himself on the deck regularly against double teams.
•Very limited pass-rusher, managed only one knockdown and 13 combined pressures in 2016.
•Weak bull rusher despite strength, gives blockers an opportunity to re-anchor.
•Negligible lateral agility, failed to generate any pressure using finesse moves.
•Gambles occasionally on highlight reel stops, resulting in a loss of gap discipline.
•Lacks upside, will be 26 by the start of the 2017 season.

Player comparison: Brandon Williams, Baltimore Ravens

Base package nose tackle might not be the most coveted position in the NFL, but a two-down run-stuffer is essential for any top defense. Like Williams, Tu’ikolovatu wrecks interior running plays with his strength up front. The USC product has the potential to be equally productive in the pros.

Bottom line: Tu’ikolovatu represents a difficult evaluation. His production against the run is off the charts, but he’s also in his mid-20s and offers nothing rushing the passer. Damon Harrison proves that pure nose tackles can make a major impact, but Tu’ikolovatu is likely to be overlooked in favor of the prospects with higher upside in May. That said, Tu’ikolovatu is probably one of the safer options amongst the defensive line prospects and won’t require a high pick as investment.

Cheers,

Racehorse
03-28-2017, 09:15 AM
So, as a complete hypothetical, using the draft trade value chart from Walter Football (they are all similar), would you rather have:

1-15 Hassan Riddick ?

---- OR -------

Trade 1-15 and 3-16 for Lions 1-21, 2-21 and 4-21

then

Trade 1-21 for Cowboys 1-28, 3-28

--------------------------------------------

In essence, trading Hassan Riddick for Charles Harris plus

2-21, 3-28, 4-21 while giving away 3-16 ?

Assuming that Charles Harris is available at 1-28 which most mock drafts have him being so.

Interesting question. It all depends on how Ballard and our staff rate the rookies available in the first round.

Cheers,
I know what you're saying, but if this draft class is as deep as people say, wouldn't this be a draft where teams are less likely to package two or more picks for one?

VeveJones007
03-28-2017, 10:31 AM
I know what you're saying, but if this draft class is as deep as people say, wouldn't this be a draft where teams are less likely to package two or more picks for one?

There are a few scarce positions like QB and OT. If one or more QBs are gone, a team might get desperate.

VeveJones007
03-28-2017, 10:32 AM
Draft report on one of the best 3-4 NT prospects in this year's draft. Most project him as being drafted in the 5th or 6th round.



Cheers,

Seems like a reasonable target in rd 5 or with the comp pick between rounds 4-5.

sherck
03-28-2017, 12:24 PM
I know what you're saying, but if this draft class is as deep as people say, wouldn't this be a draft where teams are less likely to package two or more picks for one?
Like Veve said, this is a DEEP draft class for defensive talent.

This is not a deep class for QB, O-Line, or to a lesser extent WR.

If you are defensive set team but need offensive firepower, O-Line or receivers, then trading up to grab "the one" makes sense. Honestly, HOU is a QB away from contending.

If desired, we could find trade partners.

BTW, holy crud, I just saw mock draft by a national pundit that had Hassan Riddick going #5 overall. They are that in love with his combine performance and versatility to play ILB on 1st/2nd downs and OLB/Pass Rush on 3rd down.

Crazy.

Cheers,

Racehorse
03-28-2017, 01:21 PM
Like Veve said, this is a DEEP draft class for defensive talent.

This is not a deep class for QB, O-Line, or to a lesser extent WR.

If you are defensive set team but need offensive firepower, O-Line or receivers, then trading up to grab "the one" makes sense. Honestly, HOU is a QB away from contending.

If desired, we could find trade partners.

Fair enough

Puck
03-28-2017, 02:57 PM
I know this wont be very popular with most of you but I want G Forrest Lamp with pick 15