2017 Draft Thread

[Dam8610]

Only quibble is that they should take Sidney Jones at 3.15. Can't pass up a 1st round talent there.

If you then replace Tankersley with Walker, I'm still very happy.

[Coltsalr]

On those lists, give me:

15) Reuben Foster
46) Haason Reddick
80) Raekwon McMillan/Carl Lawson
121) Cordrea Tankersley
137) Jeremy McNichols

And I'm happy. Don't really care what the last one is at that point.

No chance Haason Reddick falls to #46 (hell, he could go before us at #15, to be honest, but damn would that be great).

And while I'm beating the ILB drum to literal death, if we got both Foster and Reddick, then McMillian would be overkill (I don't JUST say that just because McMillian does nothing for me). At that point, Lawson would be the no-brainer of the two, IMO.

[Spike]

Trade back. Pick up more picks and draft Lamp.

Problem solved.

Im beginning to think we're in no mans land at 15 anyways.

Btw, we may have Lamp ranked higher on our draft boards like you mentioned. That Alabama tape doesnt lie.

Trading back and still getting Lamp would be a dream scenario. 5 fucking years of ineptitude at building up the offensive line when you have a franchise QB is criminal. Getting Kelly last year was a God send and a no-brainer in my opinion, didn't really care were his projected value was. Luck is in a fucking sling right now because our offensive line has been a sieve.

[apballin]

Trading back and still getting Lamp would be a dream scenario. 5 fucking years of ineptitude at building up the offensive line when you have a franchise QB is criminal. Getting Kelly last year was a God send and a no-brainer in my opinion, didn't really care were his projected value was. Luck is in a fucking sling right now because our offensive line has been a sieve.

Fuck yes!!! I want Luck to have a great blue wall in front of him similar to what the cowboys built let him just stand back there for 8seconds untouched. He likes to hold it and make a play well let's make that motherfucker comfy back there

[apballin]

And then fuck it Pagano can have Gore call up Patrick Willis and tell him we need a MLB

[omahacolt]

For a team who ran 2 TE sets more than any other team in the NFL last year?

You are good with Williams being one of those options if either Doyle or Swoope get hurt? Or HAVING to play 3WR sets all the time?

Personally, I would want a better option than Brandon Williams playing depth TE.

Cheers,

you absolutely play 3 wr sets more. it wouldn't be all the time. hell we should run 3 wr sets the majority of the time anyway.

we are in dire need of defensive back depth and linebacker depth. there will be talent still in the 4th. using a 4th on a te 3 is not a very good use of your picks.

[Puck]

you absolutely play 3 wr sets more. it wouldn't be all the time. hell we should run 3 wr sets the majority of the time anyway.

we are in dire need of defensive back depth and linebacker depth. there will be talent still in the 4th. using a 4th on a te 3 is not a very good use of your picks.

DEPTH????? How about a starter?? Hell we don't even have a nickle cb

Melvin is depth. I'm not sure Mitchell is a nickle or more outside depth

[VeveJones007]

Fuck yes!!! I want Luck to have a great blue wall in front of him similar to what the cowboys built let him just stand back there for 8seconds untouched. He likes to hold it and make a play well let's make that motherfucker comfy back there

How many titles have the Cowboys won with that line?

[Spike]

How many titles have the Cowboys won with that line?

The Cowboys don't have a franchise QB, the Colts do. Protect 12 and the titles will come.

[Coltsalr]

How many titles have the Cowboys won with that line?

More division titles than the Colts these past few years, depressingly enough.

[apballin]

How many titles have the Cowboys won with that line?

Theyre defense was worse than the Colts last season and they were on the brink of an nfc title game with a rookie qb because he never got touched back there

And as you know we play 6 games vs JJ Watt, Clowney, Calais Campbell, Jerrell casey all of whom have been beating up our qb since he's been in the nfl because our line couldn't touch them

[nate505]

---SCUTTLEBUTT---

saw on TV that mccaffrey has declined all private workouts and that a team in the teens has guaranteed him they will draft him if he is still there....

we draft in the teens, right?

The aforementioned scuttlebutt around here is that Denver wants him (being a local kid and all) and would trade up to 14 or 15 to get him.

Not that I believe any of this, but what is the good value for trading down to 21 (I think)? An extra 3rd rounder or so?

EDIT: Ok, so apparently they make a chart for this sort of stuff. According to the chart it would be a mid 3rd rounder. I wouldn't be upset, but would rather have the better player with the first round pick. Mostly because it feels like the Colts historically have been snake bitten with 3rd round picks, other than the year they got TY and Allen in the 3rd round. That was a home run of a 3rd round. Moncrief and Henry Anderson were good picks too, so I guess recently they were better at it. But looking at a list of 3rd round Colt players from 2000 on...yikes.

[Indiana V2]

The aforementioned scuttlebutt around here is that Denver wants him (being a local kid and all) and would trade up to 14 or 15 to get him.

Not that I believe any of this, but what is the good value for trading down to 21 (I think)? An extra 3rd rounder or so?

EDIT: Ok, so apparently they make a chart for this sort of stuff. According to the chart it would be a mid 3rd rounder. I wouldn't be upset, but would rather have the better player with the first round pick. Mostly because it feels like the Colts historically have been snake bitten with 3rd round picks, other than the year they got TY and Allen in the 3rd round. That was a home run of a 3rd round. Moncrief and Henry Anderson were good picks too, so I guess recently they were better at it. But looking at a list of 3rd round Colt players from 2000 on...yikes.

I would absolutely trade down in the first to acquire another third.

[FatDT]

I would absolutely trade down in the first to acquire another third.

It would have to depend on who is there at 15.

[sherck]

My Work Mock Draft

Interesting experience this week. A guy at my work (around 3,000 in the building) got 32 folks together over lunch on Monday - Wednesday (with a lot of e-mails in between) who were fans of all 32 teams and we did a live, in-person mock draft. I had not done something like this in over 15 years since I last participated in an in-person fantasy football league.

I went in armed with what I perceived as the Colts team needs (CB, ILB, OLB[Rush] as starters as well as RB, TE, D-Line and Safety depth. I also went in with a combo of Gil Brandt’s Hot 150 list, PFF Big Board list and Walter Football’s positional ranking list.

Trades were not allowed since the complexity of that would have just thrown everything into a hot mess.

The top of the 1st round went just about how everyone expected except look who fell to the Colts at 1-15:

ILB Reuben Foster, Alabama
Foster is a vicious hitter with elite playmaking range and an ability to toggle between 225 and 240 pounds. Athleticism gives him cover ability that former teammate Reggie Ragland never possessed. Has Pro Bowl potential as a 3-4 inside linebacker or a 4-3 weak-side linebacker, but concerns over his medical history could be a consideration, according to some teams.

The 2nd round started with a surprise with RB Joe Mixon going with the first pick to CLE (who picked Trubisky #1 overall and Malik Hooker with the 1-12 pick). OLB Tim Williams went 2 picks prior to us to BUF relieving me of the burden of trying to decide if his potential off-field issues were too great for the Colts to take and I was faced with the choices of: CB Quincy Jones, S Budda Baker, DE/OLB Tarell Basham or CB Cordea Tankersley. I ended up picking with the #46 overall pick:

CB Cordea Tankersley, Clemson
Has an impressive body of work as a lockdown, boundary cornerback but he has some holes in his transitions that could open the door for more separation on the next level. While he's not always the most fluid in coverage, his 6-foot-1 frame and eight interceptions will be the two numbers some teams will focus heavily on. If he runs well at pre-draft workouts, his stock could soar thanks to his size and production.

The 3rd round was embarrassing because there was an absolute feast of folks available that I thought would go much higher. A real run started on offensive specialty players in the 2nd round continuing into the 3rd round that pushed some defensive folks on down the list. My choices were between: OLB Devonte Fields, CB Ahkello Witherspoon, OLB Duke Riley, CB Teez Tabor and CB Shaquill Griffin. I really wanted to go OLB here because our pass rush, while better on paper than in 2016, still needs help. However, I did not like the skill sets of Fields or Riley as much as I liked at #80 overall:

CB Teez Tabor, Florida
Tabor has terrific size and quickness, but his pedestrian 40 times at both the combine and his pro day workout are hard to ignore. While he has some lapses in judgement and awareness in coverage, his nine career interceptions didn't happen by accident. Tabor can pattern match around the field, but he may need safety help over the top if he's playing on the outside. If he's going to be a zone corner, he'll have to do a better job of tackling. Tabor looks like a second day pick.

The 4th round was where I hoped to find some help at immediate depth folks and I was not disappointed. Still a lot of good folks available. For the #121 pick, I possibly picked him a bit high but my hope for pass rush and his athleticism and production (at a small school) just married up and I could not ignore him. After the pick, the Cheats fan who was picking (the friend that I reference occasionally), indicated that he was planning on picking him with his #131 pick so that made me feel better:

OLB Trey Hendrickson, Florida Atlantic
More of a second-effort sack man than a quick-win specialist, but he did show some edge rushing ability at the Shrine Game practices that didn't flash as often on tape. His lack of length on the edge will be a turnoff for some, but he flashes enough to warrant a third-day draft selection as a backup 4-3 defensive end who could continue to develop as a rusher with additional work.

The #137 pick ended up being the spot where I sort of had some wildcard choices. My “highest” rated guys left on the board included: S John Johnson, Boston College, S Montae Nichoson, Michigan State, OG Nico Siragusa, San Diego State, WR Mack Hollins, North Carolina and ILB Ben Boulware, Clemson. I wanted to take Siragusa because of the name (no relationship to Tony) but, in the end picked:

FS John Johnson, Boston College
Ascending defender with the experience, athleticism and ball skills to play as a high safety or in man coverage. Johnson is well above average as a ball-tracker and has the soft hands to finish at the catch-point against receivers. He has decent size but won't be a banger as a tackler, however, his ability in coverage has NFL personnel men buzzing as a potential early starter in the league.

With the last pick of the 4th round, the sweet spot for RB had arrived. My choices? Brian Hill, Wyoming, Corey Clement, Wisconsin, Wayne Gallman, Clemson, Joe Williams, Utah or James Conner, Pittsburgh. My choice?

RB Brian Hill, Utah
A well-rounded running back, Hill is a stout downhill runner who became one of the most productive runners that Wyoming has ever seen. Hill’s production comes from the running back’s great vision and balance. A quick decision maker, Hill channels his way through blockers to consistently pick up tough yardage. Being over six feet and 210-pounds, Hill also carries a variety of power moves that he can use to get tough yardage. Hill does not avoid contact and will drive through defenders in the open field. A plus in pass protection, the Wyoming product has the vision and intangibles that many teams will want to add to their roster. Hill may never be a face of the franchise type back but being a serviceable starter is not out of the question.

And finally our 5th round choice came around. My highest rated players left on my board were: TE Michael Roberts, Toledo, OT Dan Skipper, Arkansas, WR Amara Darboh, Michigan, OT Collin Buchanan, Miami (OH), TE George Kittle, Iowa and WR Deangelo Yancey, Purdue. It was a hard choice between Dan Skipper, Michael Roberts or Amara Darboh but in the end, I picked:

OT Dan Skipper, Arkansas
Size will be appealing to some NFL teams as will his experience at both tackle positions. His experience in Arkansas' physical rushing attack should work in his favor, but he lacks the sand in his pants to consistently match power with power against bigger, NFL-caliber talent at the point of attack. The same height that will intrigue some teams might ultimately rob Skipper of the necessary leverage he needs at the next level. Could project as a third-day (Rounds 4-7) swing tackle prospect who will have to battle to win a roster spot.

Skipper will battle the likes of Haeg, Good and Cooper for depth OT spot.

There you have it, Freaks. I was pretty surprised as some of the picks who were still available and hope that the defensive depth of this draft class affords Ballard the same quantity of quality choices in a week. Fun exercise.

Cheers,

[Coltsalr]

The aforementioned scuttlebutt around here is that Denver wants him (being a local kid and all) and would trade up to 14 or 15 to get him.

Not that I believe any of this, but what is the good value for trading down to 21 (I think)? An extra 3rd rounder or so?

EDIT: Ok, so apparently they make a chart for this sort of stuff. According to the chart it would be a mid 3rd rounder. I wouldn't be upset, but would rather have the better player with the first round pick. Mostly because it feels like the Colts historically have been snake bitten with 3rd round picks, other than the year they got TY and Allen in the 3rd round. That was a home run of a 3rd round. Moncrief and Henry Anderson were good picks too, so I guess recently they were better at it. But looking at a list of 3rd round Colt players from 2000 on...yikes.

I'd rather trade down to where the Chiefs are at #27. At that point, our #15 would be worth both their 1st and 2nd. I wonder if Ballard would be able to hook that up with his old buddies, particularly if the Chiefs want a quarterback, trading up is what you usually have to do in order to get your guy.

[smitty46953]

My Work Mock Draft

Interesting experience this week. A guy at my work (around 3,000 in the building) got 32 folks together over lunch on Monday - Wednesday (with a lot of e-mails in between) who were fans of all 32 teams and we did a live, in-person mock draft. I had not done something like this in over 15 years since I last participated in an in-person fantasy football league.

I went in armed with what I perceived as the Colts team needs (CB, ILB, OLB[Rush] as starters as well as RB, TE, D-Line and Safety depth. I also went in with a combo of Gil Brandt’s Hot 150 list, PFF Big Board list and Walter Football’s positional ranking list.

Trades were not allowed since the complexity of that would have just thrown everything into a hot mess.

...

There you have it, Freaks. I was pretty surprised as some of the picks who were still available and hope that the defensive depth of this draft class affords Ballard the same quantity of quality choices in a week. Fun exercise.

Cheers,

Looks like fun ... Just curious do you have the complete first couple rounds you can post ?

[smitty46953]

Probably better pass on this guy if available with any of our picks ...

Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon allegedly punched a female while in high school.

The allegation comes from Anthony Hernandez, who says for a "fact" that Mixon hit his daughter when the two were in high school. "He threw my daughter to the ground and hit her," Hernandez said. "I went to the school and they hid him in the office. He got no punishment. The police even came. I was escorted off the campus as if I did something wrong. These are simply the facts, he's a woman beater." Longtime personnel man Gil Brandt said this incident is of concern among NFL teams, in addition to the video of Mixon laying out a girl with a punch at Oklahoma. Mixon could be drafted anywhere from Day 2 to being an UDFA. Apr 19 - 10:19 AM


Source: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/12147/joe-mixon

[sherck]

Looks like fun ... Just curious do you have the complete first couple rounds you can post ?

1st round live in-person 2017 draft.

Draft Slot / NFL Team / Person Picking / Selection

1-01 / CLE / Tom Harris / QB Mitchell Trubisky, North Carolina
1-02 / SF / Joe McBuckley / DE Myles Garrett, Texas A&M
1-03 / CHI / Zach Carroll / DE Solomon Thomas, Stanford
1-04 / JAX / Pete McAllister / RB Leonard Fournette, LSU
1-05 / TEN / Carol Jennerison / TE O.J. Howard, Alabama
1-06 / NYJ / Terrence Osborne / QB Deshaun Watson, Clemson
1-07 / LAC / Russ Mutch / RB Christian McCaffery, Stanford
1-08 / CAR / Abe Wagner / S Jamal Adams, LSU
1-09 / CIN / Mitch Buttison / DE Jonathan Allen, Alabama
1-10 / BUF / Peter McLaffulan / OT Cam Robinson, Alabama
1-11 / NO / Josh Welton / CB Marshon Lattimore, Ohio State
1-12 / CLE / Tom Harris / S Malik Hooker, Ohio State
1-13 / ARI / Sally Wrightiner / QB Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech
1-14 / PHI / Jeremy Stackford / WR Mike Williams, Clemson
1-15 / IND / Thad Sherck / ILB Reuben Foster, Alabama
1-16 / BAL / Randy Davis / OLB Derek Barnett, Tennessee
1-17 / WAS / Bob Mitchell / LB Haason Reddick, Temple
1-18 / TEN / Carol Jennerison / WR Corey Davis, Western Michigan
1-19 / TB / Gary Handcock / DE Takkarist McKinley, UCLA
1-20 / DEN / Larry Roddney / S Jabrill Peppers, Michigan
1-21 / DET / Cory Patrick / DE Jordan Willis, Kansas State
1-22 / MIA / Dan McFannish / OT Ryan Ramczyk, Wisconsin
1-23 / NYG / Andy Loswener / OG Forrest Lamp, Western Kentucky
1-24 / OAK / Steve Rotz / TE David Njoku, Miami
1-25 / HOU / Linda Holmes / S Josh Jones, North Carolina State
1-26 / SEA / Ryan Plumber / CB Kevin King, Washington
1-27 / KC / Tony Ryan / RB Davin Cook, FSU
1-28 / DAL / Nathan Pickerton / DE T.J. Watt, Wisconsin
1-29 / GB / Brian Allen / CB Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado
1-30 / PIT / William Johnson / WR John Ross, Washington
1-31 / ATL / Tom Fields / OT Dion Dawkins, Temple
1-32 / NO / Josh Welton / ILB Jarrad Davis, Florida

Some interesting picks in Dawkins, Awuzie, jones and Njoku in the first round but not terrible. Some notable names:

CB Tre’Davious White went #34 overall.
OLB Taco Charleston went #37 overall.
CB Gareon Conley went #39 overall.
OLB Charles Harris went #40 overall.

If trades had been allowed, I would have traded up from #46 to #40 to get Harris (or #39 to get Conley).

It was a fun experience.

Cheers,

[VeveJones007]

Theyre defense was worse than the Colts last season and they were on the brink of an nfc title game with a rookie qb because he never got touched back there

And as you know we play 6 games vs JJ Watt, Clowney, Calais Campbell, Jerrell casey all of whom have been beating up our qb since he's been in the nfl because our line couldn't touch them

How many titles have the Cowboys won with that line?

Follow-up questions: What QB did they lose to in the playoffs last year? Is there a comparable QB who you could envision getting in the Colts way in the AFC?

[VeveJones007]

The aforementioned scuttlebutt around here is that Denver wants him (being a local kid and all) and would trade up to 14 or 15 to get him.

Not that I believe any of this, but what is the good value for trading down to 21 (I think)? An extra 3rd rounder or so?

EDIT: Ok, so apparently they make a chart for this sort of stuff. According to the chart it would be a mid 3rd rounder. I wouldn't be upset, but would rather have the better player with the first round pick. Mostly because it feels like the Colts historically have been snake bitten with 3rd round picks, other than the year they got TY and Allen in the 3rd round. That was a home run of a 3rd round. Moncrief and Henry Anderson were good picks too, so I guess recently they were better at it. But looking at a list of 3rd round Colt players from 2000 on...yikes.

It depends who is there. If they can get Foster at 15, run to the podium and don't entertain the offer. If they have a bevy of options like Reddick, Harris, Takk, Barnett, Conley, Lamp, etc., then trade down.

[Puck]

It depends who is there. If they can get Foster at 15, run to the podium and don't entertain the offer. If they have a bevy of options like Reddick, Harris, Takk, Barnett, Conley, Lamp, etc., then trade down.


Is Foster even healthy???? Is his arm healed? I know there are rumors floating around he may need another surgery

[YDFL Commish]

Probably better pass on this guy if available with any of our picks ...

Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon allegedly punched a female while in high school.

The allegation comes from Anthony Hernandez, who says for a "fact" that Mixon hit his daughter when the two were in high school. "He threw my daughter to the ground and hit her," Hernandez said. "I went to the school and they hid him in the office. He got no punishment. The police even came. I was escorted off the campus as if I did something wrong. These are simply the facts, he's a woman beater." Longtime personnel man Gil Brandt said this incident is of concern among NFL teams, in addition to the video of Mixon laying out a girl with a punch at Oklahoma. Mixon could be drafted anywhere from Day 2 to being an UDFA. Apr 19 - 10:19 AM


Source: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/12147/joe-mixon

Update... That story has since been recanted, by the girls father.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2704570-joe-mixon-alleged-hs-assault-on-female-reportedly-investigated-by-2-nfl-teams

[Dam8610]

No chance Haason Reddick falls to #46 (hell, he could go before us at #15, to be honest, but damn would that be great).

And while I'm beating the ILB drum to literal death, if we got both Foster and Reddick, then McMillian would be overkill (I don't JUST say that just because McMillian does nothing for me). At that point, Lawson would be the no-brainer of the two, IMO.

Reddick. Is. Not. A. ILB. In. This. System.

[Coltsalr]

Reddick. Is. Not. A. ILB. In. This. System.

Says...you?

[VeveJones007]

Is Foster even healthy???? Is his arm healed? I know there are rumors floating around he may need another surgery

Medical re-checks came in yesterday saying that he'd be ready for training camp.

[VeveJones007]

Update... That story has since been recanted, by the girls father.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2704570-joe-mixon-alleged-hs-assault-on-female-reportedly-investigated-by-2-nfl-teams

$$$ changes a lot of things.

[VeveJones007]

Says...you?

If you draft Foster at 1.15 and Reddick at 2.14, then you assume Reddick is playing EDGE. Why would you draft two ILBs in the first two rounds?

[Coltsalr]

If you draft Foster at 1.15 and Reddick at 2.14, then you assume Reddick is playing EDGE. Why would you draft two ILBs in the first two rounds?

If we somehow came away with both, I'd be so joyful I wouldn't care where they planned.

More seriously, because we're not any good at ILB?

That said, I do think it's a legitimate question of where Reddick would play in our system. I'm not sure he has the size to play EDGE. I understand the concerns about him as an ILB too, I'm just not convinced it's as clear-cut as Dam implies, as again, I hardly see him as a slamdunk at OLB in this defense.

[rcubed]

Reddick. Is. Not. A. ILB. In. This. System.
period time again, dam?

[apballin]

How many titles have the Cowboys won with that line?

Follow-up questions: What QB did they lose to in the playoffs last year? Is there a comparable QB who you could envision getting in the Colts way in the AFC?

Zero titles, Arod, no IMO Arod is the best quarterback in the NFL and he is the only QB that could've made the throw that put the Cowboys out of the playoffs.

For 5 years now we've seen the result of Luck vs Patriots with a shitty line and a talent deficient defense. Nobody can stop Brady so IMO trying to stack defense will do no good either, the NFL has turned into arena football anyway, give Luck a solid O line and I'll take my chances

[YDFL Commish]

I definitely wouldn't be unhappy about the Colts taking Reddick at #15, and I'm not going to pigeon hole him into a particular position.

But let's just say this, who wouldn't want a guy who can cover, rush the passer and stop the run?

The real question is, can this coaching staff be innovative enough to line him up all over the field and unleash his talent?

[VeveJones007]

Zero titles, Arod, no IMO Arod is the best quarterback in the NFL and he is the only QB that could've made the throw that put the Cowboys out of the playoffs.

For 5 years now we've seen the result of Luck vs Patriots with a shitty line and a talent deficient defense. Nobody can stop Brady so IMO trying to stack defense will do no good either, the NFL has turned into arena football anyway, give Luck a solid O line and I'll take my chances

I like how you conveniently overlook the 2015 postseason in your assessment that a defense can't slow down the Patriots. Frankly, that 2015 Broncos defense should be the model.

[VeveJones007]

period time again, dam?

Draft needs to get here already. We're all getting a bit touchy.

[Chromeburn]

Foster isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Can Reddick play inside and shed blocks? Both are a bit undersized for ILB in a 3-4 I think. Personally I go corner or pass rusher, and another pass rusher in the 3rd or 4th. I think I would go Charles Harris then after him Takk. A trade back would be great.

Two lower round ILBs could be Alex Anzalone or Walker from Northwestern. Anzalone can run sideline to sideline and tackle.

I would also like Wormley from Michigan in the 2nd, he is going to be a nasty 5tech DE. Don't know if he will last though.

[Dam8610]

Says...you?

And anyone else whose watched his tape.

[natagu23]

I definitely wouldn't be unhappy about the Colts taking Reddick at #15, and I'm not going to pigeon hole him into a particular position.

But let's just say this, who wouldn't want a guy who can cover, rush the passer and stop the run?

The real question is, can this coaching staff be innovative enough to line him up all over the field and unleash his talent?

Almost like a Jamie Collins when he was with the Pats. I like it.

But i think you can still get great value for a Raekwon Mcmillian in the 2nd, and pull the trigger on a CB or a olinemen in the 1st.

There are no decent pass rushers that are worth the 15th pick in the draft without reaching. People will say Barnett, but he is more of a 43 DE than anything else if you want to be honest with yourself. Thats if he is still there.

[Wyatt]

Mel Kipers take on us

https://i.redd.it/qvbb2r2sfksy.jpg

[Wyatt]

I'd be alright with the first 2, although I highly doubt Fournette falls to us, but a project in the 3rd seems foolish

[sherck]

I'd be alright with the first 2, although I highly doubt Fournette falls to us, but a project in the 3rd seems foolish
If this is what BPA looks like......

Stud RB in the first round. Not our top need IMO but it would help our offense start scoring points in gobs. One way to skin the cat, I guess.

McDowell would be a 5-tech DE in our scheme. Sounds like most of his problems are coaching related so if our D-Line coach can get him to work....

NT = Hankins, Woods
DT = Anderson, Ridgeway
DE = Langford, McDowell
Depth guys fighting for 7th spot = McGill, Parry, Hunt

Eluemunor is not a terrible prospect in the 3rd round. We don't necessarily need immediate help at RG; one of Haeg, Good or Schwenke can win the position for 2017.

However, Eluemunor has some physical skills that are pretty high ceiling for someone who might get drafted in the 3rd / 4th round. Almost everything negative in his multiple draft profiles that I just read were all about his technique and relative lack of fottball experience......much like Le'Raven Clark last year.

There is one consensus 1st round OG in this years draft: Lamp. His combine performance was good and placed him at the head of the class.

After him, there are about 10 guys who are lumped into the 2nd/3rd round draft area. Of those 10 guys, Eluemunor has the combine/pro day results to rank him in the top 3 of them pretty much across the board (except for 20-yard shuttle; he was 4th there).

I trust Philbin to take a guy who has the physical skills and mental ability to play in the NFL and have him refine his technique so that he can excel. He did a great job with Clark last year and getting Haeg ready to play all over the place.

I still want an ALL DEFENSE top of the draft but if BPA brings us O-line and Running Back......okay, I guess.

Cheers,

[Puck]

Reddick. Is. Not. A. ILB. In. This. System.

AN. ILB. Not. A. ILB.

[Wyatt]

RB in RD1 is definitely not my first choice, but I think if Fournette were to fall to 1-15 then we seriously entertain taking him, or seeing if anyone is willing to trade up with a load of picks

[Coltsalr]

And anyone else whose watched his tape.

Link to "anyone else" that watched his tape and deemed he couldn't possibly be a 3-4 ILB and that he absolutely has to be a 3-4 OLB?

[Coltsalr]

Mel Kipers take on us

https://i.redd.it/qvbb2r2sfksy.jpg

Ignoring both LB and CB for the first two rounds would cause both Puck and I to have a stroke.

At least we wouldn't be arguing with each other anymore at that point. :D

[Spike]

Ignoring both LB and CB for the first two rounds would cause both Puck and I to have a stroke.

At least we wouldn't be arguing with each other anymore at that point. :D

Mel Kiper is a dumb ass.

[Wyatt]

@AaronWilson_NFL 4m4 minutes ago
UNC-Pembroke All-American kicker Matt Davis private workouts Chargers, Colts, Panthers; interest from Packers, 49ers, Falcons, Broncos

[Chromeburn]

Almost like a Jamie Collins when he was with the Pats. I like it.

But i think you can still get great value for a Raekwon Mcmillian in the 2nd, and pull the trigger on a CB or a olinemen in the 1st.

There are no decent pass rushers that are worth the 15th pick in the draft without reaching. People will say Barnett, but he is more of a 43 DE than anything else if you want to be honest with yourself. Thats if he is still there.

Barnett is a 2nd round talent. But will likely go in the first. Takk and Harris are worth the pick. Takk will need some coaching and skill development but he has the athletsism to be drafted there. I hope they stay away from Barnett.

[Chromeburn]

Mel Kipers take on us

https://i.redd.it/qvbb2r2sfksy.jpg

I would say no to Fournette, will need 20-25 carries a game to be effective. And is he only a two down back? I would look for a more versatile 3 down back and you can get one in the 4th or 5th. We have a shot at a elite defensive talent and someone almost always falls draft day because teams force QBs higher than they should be taken. And usually one overrated receiver who is more athlete than football player is in there.

[Chromeburn]

If this is what BPA looks like......

Stud RB in the first round. Not our top need IMO but it would help our offense start scoring points in gobs. One way to skin the cat, I guess.

McDowell would be a 5-tech DE in our scheme. Sounds like most of his problems are coaching related so if our D-Line coach can get him to work....

NT = Hankins, Woods
DT = Anderson, Ridgeway
DE = Langford, McDowell
Depth guys fighting for 7th spot = McGill, Parry, Hunt

Eluemunor is not a terrible prospect in the 3rd round. We don't necessarily need immediate help at RG; one of Haeg, Good or Schwenke can win the position for 2017.

However, Eluemunor has some physical skills that are pretty high ceiling for someone who might get drafted in the 3rd / 4th round. Almost everything negative in his multiple draft profiles that I just read were all about his technique and relative lack of fottball experience......much like Le'Raven Clark last year.

There is one consensus 1st round OG in this years draft: Lamp. His combine performance was good and placed him at the head of the class.

After him, there are about 10 guys who are lumped into the 2nd/3rd round draft area. Of those 10 guys, Eluemunor has the combine/pro day results to rank him in the top 3 of them pretty much across the board (except for 20-yard shuttle; he was 4th there).

I trust Philbin to take a guy who has the physical skills and mental ability to play in the NFL and have him refine his technique so that he can excel. He did a great job with Clark last year and getting Haeg ready to play all over the place.

I still want an ALL DEFENSE top of the draft but if BPA brings us O-line and Running Back......okay, I guess.

Cheers,


I might go Wormley with the 2nd. He doesn't have McDowell's ceiling. But his floor is real high and he could be a real terror at 5tech DE. A good player for a decade. I almost prefer that to McDowell's stop and go motor.

[Coltsalr]

I wish I trusted our coaching staff enough to grab a guy like Takk McKinley and develop him.

I most certainly do not.

Give me the guy that's more NFL-ready, that's more plug-and-play, particularly at pass rush.

[Racehorse]

Mel Kipers take on us

https://i.redd.it/qvbb2r2sfksy.jpg

All I see is a small green box

[FatDT]

I wish I trusted our coaching staff enough to grab a guy like Takk McKinley and develop him.

I most certainly do not.

Give me the guy that's more NFL-ready, that's more plug-and-play, particularly at pass rush.

Strongly agree. I'll take developed players that are a little shorter/lighter/slower but have produced in college, try hard, and have NFL bodies. That's why Derek Barnett, Soloman Thomas, Demarcus Lawrence, maybe Taco Charleton, and maybe Charles Harris are my favorite realistic OLB prospects for the Colts.

[Wyatt]

All I see is a small green box

he has us taking:
Rd1 - Fournette - RB - LSU
Rd2 - Malik McDowell - DT - Michigan State
Rd3 - Jermaine Eluemunor - TE - Texas A&M

[Coltsalr]

Strongly agree. I'll take developed players that are a little shorter/lighter/slower but have produced in college, try hard, and have NFL bodies. That's why Derek Barnett, Soloman Thomas, Demarcus Lawrence, maybe Taco Charleton, and maybe Charles Harris are my favorite realistic OLB prospects for the Colts.

Tim Williams is a bit of a grey area on this one. On the one hand, I'm not overwhelmed with confidence in our coaching staff keeping him on the straight and narrow. I think it's been proven with guys whether it be Landry, DQ Jackson, Art Jones, etc getting busted for PED's that there's not some sense of accountability in that locker room.

On the other hand, he does strike me as somebody that has the size and speed and playing style of somebody that would be a plug-and-play in the NFL. Now, granted he has to get on the field, and it's entirely possible he's the next Randy Gregory that, who knows if he's any good, as he's never on the field.

Like I said, I'm split on him, but I think would take my chances on a guy like him, rather than a guy like Takk McKinley, who our coaching staff would have to develop from a talent perspective.

[Wyatt]

I'm all for not drafting RB in the 1st unless Fournett falls to us somehow, but what do you guys think of James Conner of Pitt.

He wrote this to the NFL GM's and I found it an interesting read.

[Chromeburn]

I wish I trusted our coaching staff enough to grab a guy like Takk McKinley and develop him.

I most certainly do not.

Give me the guy that's more NFL-ready, that's more plug-and-play, particularly at pass rush.

Well development seems to be more and more happening in the off season. Training camp seems to be about installing the scheme, and during the week it is all about the upcoming opponent and what they will do. You have to look at does he have the athletiscm to play the spot, can he bend and get around that edge, and can he learn and is coachsble. Experts will be working with him during the offseason. He has gotten better each year. I think it may take a few years, but if patient he should develop barring injury.

[Chromeburn]

he has us taking:
Rd1 - Fournette - RB - LSU
Rd2 - Malik McDowell - DT - Michigan State
Rd3 - Jermaine Eluemunor - TE - Texas A&M

God I hope not.

I guess I shouldn't say that. This is a very boom or bust draft. And it will likely come down to McDowell, if he hits his ceiling you have one of the best DE's in the game. Just say no on the guard. Need a LB or CB there.

[natagu23]

Barnett is a 2nd round talent. But will likely go in the first. Takk and Harris are worth the pick. Takk will need some coaching and skill development but he has the athletsism to be drafted there. I hope they stay away from Barnett.

Takk will need some coaching??

lol

[VeveJones007]

Ugh, Foster got hit with a diluted urine sample at the combine, so he's now in the system. Given his other character question marks and Ballard's comments on Wednesday, you have to think he'll be off their board at 15. I hope not, but I'm taking Ballard at his word that character is an important factor for him.

[Wyatt]

@pfrumors 5m5 minutes ago
Alabama LB Reuben Foster Fails Drug Test https://www.profootballrumors.com/2017/04/alabama-reuben-foster-fails-drug-test …

As Veve mentioned.....

Well fuck!

[Coltsalr]

I'm hoping that that takes him off teams 1-14 boards and not ours.

Let's see if Ballard is willing to take a risk on this stuff. As others have mentioned, he's been in the front office when the Chiefs have taken bad boys.

There was also this tweet today:

Stephen Holder‏ @HolderStephen 2h2 hours ago
Going back thru Ballard's presser from yesterday. I'm struck by him saying that no players are off the Colts' board yet. “No, at this point"

I'm assuming he was aware of Foster's urine sample 2 hours ago (probably closer to 2 months ago).

[HoosierinFL]

So according to Foster, the diluted urine was the result of him dealing with a stomach bug and trying to flush his system by drinking a lot of water and gatorade.
OK, so that *might* be true, in which case, he falls to 15 and we get a great ILB.
or, it *might* be an elaborate lie, in which case who knows how it will turn out. He might still end up a great player anyway.

[natagu23]

Goddamit.

Welp....

[apballin]

No fuckin way fournette falls to us

[Puck]

Ignoring both LB and CB for the first two rounds would cause both Puck and I to have a stroke.

At least we wouldn't be arguing with each other anymore at that point. :D

I'd find something else to argue with you about

[Puck]

From press conference

Kevin Bowen‏ @KBowenColts

Ballard making it clear that “best player available” is the philosophy. Has been part of teams that took need over BPA before. Was a mistake
12:05 PM · Apr 19, 2017

[Spike]

Draft Lamp and then we are not fucking around with a first round bust. Shit, this is not rocket science.

[VeveJones007]

Draft Lamp and then we are not fucking around with a first round bust. Shit, this is not rocket science.

Pure hypothetical here, which do you choose at 1.15?

1) 22 year old Robert Mathis
2) 22 year old Jeff Saturday

[natagu23]

Pure hypothetical here, which do you choose at 1.15?

1) 22 year old Robert Mathis
2) 22 year old Jeff Saturday

We know that there is a guy that plays like Jeff Saturday right now.

You're just hoping that there is a guy that will play like Robert Mathis at 1.15. Im sorry, there is no one that looks remotely close to mathis at 15.

[VeveJones007]

We know that there is a guy that plays like Jeff Saturday right now.

You're just hoping that there is a guy that will play like Robert Mathis at 1.15. Im sorry, there is no one that looks remotely close to mathis at 15.

What if Ballard thinks there is? It's a simple floor/ceiling argument. Frankly, a Saturday stabilizes the OL, but doesn't really move the needle on proximity to a title. After all those years with PM, I don't care about AFC South banners. Swing for the fences and assemble a champion.

[Spike]

Pure hypothetical here, which do you choose at 1.15?

1) 22 year old Robert Mathis
2) 22 year old Jeff Saturday

Mathis, but I am not sure you get a Mathis at 15 in this years draft. Therefore I am of the opinion that you protect Luck with the safest pick in the draft with Lamp.

[natagu23]

What if Ballard thinks there is? It's a simple floor/ceiling argument. Frankly, a Saturday stabilizes the OL, but doesn't really move the needle on proximity to a title. After all those years with PM, I don't care about AFC South banners. Swing for the fences and assemble a champion.

I'll give you that its virtually impossible to know if guys like Harris, Taco Charlton, Carl Lawson, Tim Williams or Takk could develop into solid pass rushers.

The point that im trying to make is that all those guys are late 1st to 2nd round picks. We're talking about a huge reach to grab one of those guys.

Again, we don't know where Ballard and his team has those guys....true. But there seems to be a consensus that after Solomon Thomas and Garrett the pass-rushing talent falls off a f**king cliff where Derek Barnett is somewhere in-between the cream of the crop and the 2nd tier.

The only defensive non-cornerback I would be ok drafting at 1.15 is Riddick and Foster. Foster is very concerning now because we all know the league hands out drug related suspensions like candy.

I've narrowed it down to...

1. Riddick
2. Foster
3. Ryan Ramczyk/Lamp
4. Marlon Humphrey
5. Conley

[VeveJones007]

I'll give you that its virtually impossible to know if guys like Harris, Taco Charlton, Carl Lawson, Tim Williams or Takk could develop into solid pass rushers.

The point that im trying to make is that all those guys are late 1st to 2nd round picks. We're talking about a huge reach to grab one of those guys.

Again, we don't know where Ballard and his team has those guys....true. But there seems to be a consensus that after Solomon Thomas and Garrett the pass-rushing talent falls off a f**king cliff where Derek Barnett is somewhere in-between the cream of the crop and the 2nd tier.

The only defensive non-cornerback I would be ok drafting at 1.15 is Riddick and Foster. Foster is very concerning now because we all know the league hands out drug related suspensions like candy.

I've narrowed it down to...

1. Riddick
2. Foster
3. Ryan Ramczyk/Lamp
4. Marlon Humphrey
5. Conley

Do you really think Ram/Lamp are better than late 1st/early 2nd grades on those EDGE guys? I don't.

[VeveJones007]

BTW, I definitely take one of Foster, Riddick, Harris, or Takk before I take one of those OL. Absolutely should trade down unless Ballard is comfortable with Foster's interviews, though.

[natagu23]

Do you really think Ram/Lamp are better than late 1st/early 2nd grades on those EDGE guys? I don't.

Lamp?

AbsoFuckinglutely. Are you kidding me? You might be getting caught up in the dynamic play ability of edge rushers vs. olinemen.

This is a 4 year starter at WKU where most of starts were almost exclusively at LT. Again, you put on the LSU tape and the Alabama tape, no question.

He'll most likely play guard in the NFL, but he has LT tackle experience playing against some elite programs and performing well.

You literally can plug him in at any spot along the oline, and he's an after-thought.... in a good way. Plug him and forget him.

You replace his school name from WKU to Stanferdz, he'd be a legit top 10 pick.

[natagu23]

Imagine we pick up Lamp in the 1st and T.J. Watt in the 2nd?

Congratz, we just won the draft.

There are just more moves you can make in the 2nd than you can in the 1st.

[natagu23]

Stanzo-Mewtwo-Kelly-Lamp-Clark

That's a pretty decent oline on paper.

Most of your liability concerns would be with Clark and whether he makes the jump from his rookie season.

You can interchange the name Clark with Haeg...which ever you prefer.

[Chromeburn]

Ugh, Foster got hit with a diluted urine sample at the combine, so he's now in the system. Given his other character question marks and Ballard's comments on Wednesday, you have to think he'll be off their board at 15. I hope not, but I'm taking Ballard at his word that character is an important factor for him.

I wouldn't be so quick. Teams really love him and some see him as a Ray Lewis type. I was thinking he would go top 5. Now I don't see him getting out of the the 1st. Diluted sample means he just drank a lot of water, which a lot of players do before the combine to gain a little extra weight.

[Chromeburn]

Pure hypothetical here, which do you choose at 1.15?

1) 22 year old Robert Mathis
2) 22 year old Jeff Saturday

Pass rusher, always pass rusher.

You have to think about the impact on the game the player will have and the best athletes go in the first.

[Spike]

BTW, I definitely take one of Foster, Riddick, Harris, or Takk before I take one of those OL. Absolutely should trade down unless Ballard is comfortable with Foster's interviews, though.

I guess I am just sick & tired of watching Luck get the shit knocked out of him. Our franchise QB is in a sling right now, don't you think protecting him is our most pressing need right now?

[Chromeburn]

BTW, I definitely take one of Foster, Riddick, Harris, or Takk before I take one of those OL. Absolutely should trade down unless Ballard is comfortable with Foster's interviews, though.

There is a lot of pass rushing talent but there are also some minefields in there. I take Foster first over Reddick. Reddick will be transitioning to a new position who knows how that will go. If it goes well, expect him to be a Swiss Army knife on defense in a few years. By that time Foster will likely be a pro bowler.

Next I go Harris, he would have had better numbers if not for a scheme change. But guys that I really like and are late risers are Rivers of Youngstown, I feel this guy is what Tim Williams should be. And Bowser of Houston, there is a small sample size b/c they kept dropping him to cover but he looks like he has tons of potential. Imagine a larger Reddick and that is Bowser. Maybe one of them is available in the 2nd.

Stay away from Barnett. Takk only if you go in knowing he needs technique work, but the athletism is there. Well besides Garrett, they will all need some technique work.

[natagu23]

There is a lot of pass rushing talent but there are also some minefields in there. I take Foster first over Reddick. Reddick will be transitioning to a new position who knows how that will go. If it goes well, expect him to be a Swiss Army knife on defense in a few years. By that time Foster will likely be a pro bowler.

Next I go Harris, he would have had better numbers if not for a scheme change. But guys that I really like and are late risers are Rivers of Youngstown, I feel this guy is what Tim Williams should be. And Bowser of Houston, there is a small sample size b/c they kept dropping him to cover but he looks like he has tons of potential. Imagine a larger Reddick and that is Bowser. Maybe one of them is available in the 2nd.

Stay away from Barnett. Takk only if you go in knowing he needs technique work, but the athletism is there. Well besides Garrett, they will all need some technique work.


Barnett has to be a no no.

[Wyatt]

Fournette scored an 11 on the Wonderlick Test FWIW

Florida State RB Dalvin Cook also scored an 11, and Oklahoma’s Joe Mixon scored a 12. Stanford RB Christian McCaffrey recorded a 21, while Tennessee RB Alvin Kamara scored a 24.

Not that any of this matters, but for the sake of discussion, average RB score is around 16.

Andrew Luck - 37
Peyton Manning - 28
Ezekiel Elliot - 32
Frank Gore - 6
Reggie Wayne - 13

[Wyatt]

Interesting Article on Reddick by Bleacher Report

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2704864-how-haason-reddick-became-the-biggest-rising-star-in-the-2017-nfl-draft-class

[Coltsalr]

I'll give you that its virtually impossible to know if guys like Harris, Taco Charlton, Carl Lawson, Tim Williams or Takk could develop into solid pass rushers.

The point that im trying to make is that all those guys are late 1st to 2nd round picks. We're talking about a huge reach to grab one of those guys.

Again, we don't know where Ballard and his team has those guys....true. But there seems to be a consensus that after Solomon Thomas and Garrett the pass-rushing talent falls off a f**king cliff where Derek Barnett is somewhere in-between the cream of the crop and the 2nd tier.

The only defensive non-cornerback I would be ok drafting at 1.15 is Riddick and Foster. Foster is very concerning now because we all know the league hands out drug related suspensions like candy.

I've narrowed it down to...

1. Riddick
2. Foster
3. Ryan Ramczyk/Lamp
4. Marlon Humphrey
5. Conley

As a Florida guy, do you have any take on Jarrad Davis? He also strikes me as a guy that would be a safe 1st round pick, albeit that he might be a bit of a reach at #15 (though perhaps maybe not, as there's some recent rumblings that he could go ahead of Reuben Foster in the top 15).

[Coltsalr]

I guess I am just sick & tired of watching Luck get the shit knocked out of him. Our franchise QB is in a sling right now, don't you think protecting him is our most pressing need right now?

Agreed, though I think there was a fair bit less shit-kicking by the end of last season. That group seemed to gel a bit, and while it would be nice if the Colts decided they needed to have the Great Wall of China for an OL (ala the Dallas Cowboys), I do wonder if that's our shrewdest investment, as I don't think the need is as dire there.

Like I said, I won't bitch if they go with Forrest Lamp. I would however worry about our other needs, moreso than I would worry if OL isn't addressed until Day 3.

[Chromeburn]

Barnett has be a no no.

Whats that?

[Chromeburn]

Interesting Article on Reddick by Bleacher Report

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2704864-how-haason-reddick-became-the-biggest-rising-star-in-the-2017-nfl-draft-class

That's the thing, he has the athleticism to play the position although he is a little undersized for my taste. The question is how he can adjust to the responsibilities of the MIKE. There will be an adjustment period, he won't rush out of the gate right away, they will ease him in slowly. What that article doesn't mention is what a LB actually does. Can he make all the reads at the pro level, how fast can he do it? Also the MIKE is often the leader of the D and sets the tone, gets people in the right place, etc. This is why I like Foster better, he has done it, he knows the position, has lead one of the best defenses ever, is extremely instinctive often blowing up plays before they can even get going. He will have a much greater head start on Reddick. Reddick in a few years may be more versatile and scary, but for right now he has to learn a new position. I think he would excel in a system like Seattle.

Reddick might be the pick, and it's possible that Bostic is to be a stop gap till Reddick gets going.

[Chromeburn]

Fournette scored an 11 on the Wonderlick Test FWIW

Florida State RB Dalvin Cook also scored an 11, and Oklahoma’s Joe Mixon scored a 12. Stanford RB Christian McCaffrey recorded a 21, while Tennessee RB Alvin Kamara scored a 24.

Not that any of this matters, but for the sake of discussion, average RB score is around 16.

Andrew Luck - 37
Peyton Manning - 28
Ezekiel Elliot - 32
Frank Gore - 6
Reggie Wayne - 13

hahaha yeah I don't see that as very important in skill positions except QB.

[VeveJones007]

That's the thing, he has the athleticism to play the position although he is a little undersized for my taste. The question is how he can adjust to the responsibilities of the MIKE. There will be an adjustment period, he won't rush out of the gate right away, they will ease him in slowly. What that article doesn't mention is what a LB actually does. Can he make all the reads at the pro level, how fast can he do it? Also the MIKE is often the leader of the D and sets the tone, gets people in the right place, etc. This is why I like Foster better, he has done it, he knows the position, has lead one of the best defenses ever, is extremely instinctive often blowing up plays before they can even get going. He will have a much greater head start on Reddick. Reddick in a few years may be more versatile and scary, but for right now he has to learn a new position. I think he would excel in a system like Seattle.

Reddick might be the pick, and it's possible that Bostic is to be a stop gap till Reddick gets going.

I still think Reddick ends up at EDGE most of the time. He's too good of a pass rusher to waste inside.

[YDFL Commish]

Ok, we have all talked about our desire to trade down and pick up additional picks. Which I'm all for BTW!

But how many would be in favor of trading up to get the once in a lifetime talent of Myles Garrett?

What would it take to do so? At least this years 1st and next years 1st at a minimum, I would expect. But how much more?

How many would be in favor of such a move?

[Chromeburn]

Ok, we have all talked about our desire to trade down and pick up additional picks. Which I'm all for BTW!

But how many would be in favor of trading up to get the once in a lifetime talent of Myles Garrett?

What would it take to do so? At least this years 1st and next years 1st at a minimum, I would expect. But how much more?

How many would be in favor of such a move?

Check the value chart

http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

It would take most of our draft this year and our 1st and 2nd next year likely. That is pretty steep. There is a lot of defensive talent in this draft. If we could figure out somehow to get another 2nd and 3rd this draft or even two more 3rds, we could completely rebuild the D in one draft.

[Chromeburn]

I still think Reddick ends up at EDGE most of the time. He's too good of a pass rusher to waste inside.

The way I kind of picture him is inside for two downs and outside for passing downs. But he would give you the option of blitzing him from virtually anywhere. But him out there with a dedicated EDGE and then you really start causing problems. Will he cover the TE or RB and do it very well? Or is he coming on a blitz? But as a dedicated EDGE, I don't know. He has great bend, but he will have problems with long armed tackles, he is just so short for that position. I would rather combine him with a Harris, Rivers, Watt, or Bowser. That could be a deadly combo.

Also, Foster is an excellent blitzer from between the tackles.

I do think Reddick is smart and has great character and that will play a role. Ballard is reading about the Cubs build by Epstein and this quote seemed to have an impact on Ballard.

"Theo -- baseball was getting flat in terms of the analytics and the edge that they were getting from the numbers -- so he kind of took a different approach with character," Ballard said, via ESPN's Mike Wells. "We want high-character guys that love football, that will hold each other accountable, that will be good teammates. It stuck out like a beacon light.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000801677/article/chris-ballard-learning-from-theo-epstein-cubs-example

[Wyatt]

@ShouldntBragBut 6m6 minutes ago
Colts continue to show DB Obi Melifonwu, UConn steady levels of interest

[Butter]

I wouldn't be so quick. Teams really love him and some see him as a Ray Lewis type.

Do they figure he will be involved in a murder?

[Butter]

Whats that?

https://img.memesuper.com/ad49dbdf369fed332803a8070658d5e0_no-consuela-no-meme_470-352.jpeg

[Chromeburn]

Do they figure he will be involved in a murder?

One can only hope!

[sherck]

If we could figure out somehow to get another 2nd and 3rd this draft or even two more 3rds, we could completely rebuild the D in one draft.

Trade from 1-15 to 1-19 and then from 1-19 to about 1-24 or 1-25 nets you 2 3rd round choices with trading nothing away.

Cheers,

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

[Wyatt]

I wouldn't be so quick. Teams really love him and some see him as a Ray Lewis type. I was thinking he would go top 5. Now I don't see him getting out of the the 1st. Diluted sample means he just drank a lot of water, which a lot of players do before the combine to gain a little extra weight.

I'll take the Ray Lewis type as in murdering the opponent on the field, off the field perhaps not as much lol

[VeveJones007]

Ok, we have all talked about our desire to trade down and pick up additional picks. Which I'm all for BTW!

But how many would be in favor of trading up to get the once in a lifetime talent of Myles Garrett?

What would it take to do so? At least this years 1st and next years 1st at a minimum, I would expect. But how much more?

How many would be in favor of such a move?

0%. It would cost way too much and there are so many needs across the roster.

[VeveJones007]

The way I kind of picture him is inside for two downs and outside for passing downs. But he would give you the option of blitzing him from virtually anywhere. But him out there with a dedicated EDGE and then you really start causing problems. Will he cover the TE or RB and do it very well? Or is he coming on a blitz? But as a dedicated EDGE, I don't know. He has great bend, but he will have problems with long armed tackles, he is just so short for that position. I would rather combine him with a Harris, Rivers, Watt, or Bowser. That could be a deadly combo.

Also, Foster is an excellent blitzer from between the tackles.

I do think Reddick is smart and has great character and that will play a role. Ballard is reading about the Cubs build by Epstein and this quote seemed to have an impact on Ballard.

"Theo -- baseball was getting flat in terms of the analytics and the edge that they were getting from the numbers -- so he kind of took a different approach with character," Ballard said, via ESPN's Mike Wells. "We want high-character guys that love football, that will hold each other accountable, that will be good teammates. It stuck out like a beacon light.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000801677/article/chris-ballard-learning-from-theo-epstein-cubs-example

I would be very happy with either Foster or Reddick at 15. Otherwise, I definitely want them to move down.

[Chromeburn]

As a Florida guy, do you have any take on Jarrad Davis? He also strikes me as a guy that would be a safe 1st round pick, albeit that he might be a bit of a reach at #15 (though perhaps maybe not, as there's some recent rumblings that he could go ahead of Reuben Foster in the top 15).

My take, Davis is talented and can play in just about any system. If you ignore his injuries he should be a very good player. I think he would be best suited for a 4-3 Mike or Sam role. He is best attacking in a one gap system rather than a sit and read 3-4. You want to point him in a direction and let him go. I think he would thrive in that role, but he is talented and athletic enough to play in any system.

[VeveJones007]

Trade from 1-15 to 1-19 and then from 1-19 to about 1-24 or 1-25 nets you 2 3rd round choices with trading nothing away.

Cheers,

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Somewhat reasonable scenario off the top of my head:

Broncos move up from 1.20 for McCaffrey or OL, then Texans move up from 1.25 for a QB.

Net result = 2 extra 3rds and a similar player at 1.25 that they could have had at 1.15

[Spike]

Ok, we have all talked about our desire to trade down and pick up additional picks. Which I'm all for BTW!

But how many would be in favor of trading up to get the once in a lifetime talent of Myles Garrett?

What would it take to do so? At least this years 1st and next years 1st at a minimum, I would expect. But how much more?

How many would be in favor of such a move?

Nope! Done trading with the fucking Browns. Plus, way too many holes to fill. If we were an edge rusher away from the SB, then sure, but we are far from being in that position. Need DB's, linebackers, Oline, running backs, and a competent head coach.

[Spike]

Somewhat reasonable scenario off the top of my head:

Broncos move up from 1.20 for McCaffrey or OL, then Texans move up from 1.25 for a QB.

Net result = 2 extra 3rds and a similar player at 1.25 that they could have had at 1.15

The only problem with the Texans moving up from 25 to 20 is that the 4 teams in front of them don't need a QB. Lions, Dolphins, Raiders, Giants.

[VeveJones007]

The only problem with the Texans moving up from 25 to 20 is that the 4 teams in front of them don't need a QB. Lions, Dolphins, Raiders, Giants.

Yeah, but they have to worry about QB-needy teams behind them leapfrogging them, such as SF, CHI, NYJ, KC. They were one pick away from Bridgewater falling to them a couple years back until the Vikings moved up.

[Spike]

Yeah, but they have to worry about QB-needy teams behind them leapfrogging them, such as SF, CHI, NYJ, KC. They were one pick away from Bridgewater falling to them a couple years back until the Vikings moved up.

Great point!

[VeveJones007]

Matt Miller‏ @nfldraftscout 16m16 minutes ago

Latest buzz:

- Foster falls to "Myles Jack" range
- Ross, Mixon, Cook Rd2
- 2 QBs going top 10 (Trubisky, Mahomes?)

[YDFL Commish]

Matt Miller‏ @nfldraftscout 16m16 minutes ago

Latest buzz:

- Foster falls to "Myles Jack" range
- Ross, Mixon, Cook Rd2
- 2 QBs going top 10 (Trubisky, Mahomes?)

I can definitely see that scenario playing out.

[Butter]

I can definitely see that scenario playing out.

QBs will always move up the board.

[FatDT]

The more the merrier. Take all the QBs and RBs and WRs and TEs and OTs. Push talent down to us, please.

[Butter]

The more the merrier. Take all the QBs and RBs and WRs and TEs and OTs. Push talent down to us, please.

Amen brother.

[natagu23]

Matt Miller‏ @nfldraftscout 16m16 minutes ago

Latest buzz:

- Foster falls to "Myles Jack" range
- Ross, Mixon, Cook Rd2
- 2 QBs going top 10 (Trubisky, Mahomes?)

Im in favor of trading down at this point, but you have to pull the trigger on Foster if he's there. I don't give a f**k.

Imagine Foster playing behind Hankins and those long-armed freaks in Anderson and Langford?

The run defense instantly jumps into the top half of the league.

[natagu23]

As a Florida guy, do you have any take on Jarrad Davis? He also strikes me as a guy that would be a safe 1st round pick, albeit that he might be a bit of a reach at #15 (though perhaps maybe not, as there's some recent rumblings that he could go ahead of Reuben Foster in the top 15).

The guy is a leader. Played through injuries pretty much his whole collegiate career which showed what kind of competitor he is.

I see him more as a 43 sam. However, he has a thumper's mentally, so you can easily stick him inside in a 34 scheme.

He honestly can play 34 or 43 because he has good speed, covers well and is explosive. Some people knock his size 6'1 238, I honestly could give a f**k as long as he passes the eye test. He could put on a little more bulk perhaps.

[njcoltfan]

The only problem with the Texans moving up from 25 to 20 is that the 4 teams in front of them don't need a QB. Lions, Dolphins, Raiders, Giants.

There's no way in hell that I would trade with the Texans so they could possibly move up to get their " Franchise " QB. They already have the best defense in the division, I don't ever want them to get even a competent QB, let alone a " Franchise" one.

[natagu23]

There's no way in hell that I would trade with the Texans so they could possibly move up to get their " Franchise " QB. They already have the best defense in the division, I don't ever want them to get even a competent QB, let alone a " Franchise" one.

No GM would make that trade....not even sorry ass Grigson.

[Racehorse]

Barnett has to be a no no.

I am not sure why Barnett is acquiring so many haters. I think he is going to be very good.

[Racehorse]

@ShouldntBragBut 6m6 minutes ago
Colts continue to show DB Obi Melifonwu, UConn steady levels of interest

What does that even mean, "steady levels of interest"?

[Chromeburn]

I am not sure why Barnett is acquiring so many haters. I think he is going to be very good.

He's a moderatly athletic snap jumper who benefitted from a 100k screaming home crowd. He has the most off-sides penalties in college last year. He tested poorly twice because he was 'sick' at the combine and some hammy issue at his pro day. He should be slotted in the 2nd round. You can get away with being less of an athlete at EDGE in college, but not in the pros. If the guy is coachable you can teach them technique, can't teach athletism.

[FatDT]

He's a moderatly athletic snap jumper who benefitted from a 100k screaming home crowd. He has the most off-sides penalties in college last year. He tested poorly twice because he was 'sick' at the combine and some hammy issue at his pro day. He should be slotted in the 2nd round. You can get away with being less of an athlete at EDGE in college, but not in the pros. If the guy is coachable you can teach them technique, can't teach athletism.

Your argument doesn't hold up since he got 14 of his career sacks during away games. Timing the snap is a skill pros use. And the NFL is full of twitchy athletes that can't or won't learn technique and never progress. His 40 time wasn't very good, it's true. But there is a lot more to bring an edge rusher than running fast in a straight line. Barnett can already fight off blockers at a level plenty of pros never get to.

[Coltsalr]

Mayock says that teams supposedly don't care about Foster's diluted urine sample:


With concern mounting about Reuben Foster's viability as a top-10 pick in the 2017 draft (April 27-29 in Philadelphia), NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock threw cold water on the notion that the Alabama linebacker will fall far down draft boards.

"There are some red flags there. I think the combine incident has been wiped clean by almost every team. I think that was way overdone and the kid should not have been sent home. That's my opinion and most people in the league believe that," Mayock told reporters during a conference call Friday. "As far as the diluted sample at the combine, that's always really disappointing and has to be taken into consideration. I think the shoulder is apparently going to be OK from a re-check perspective, I don't see him sliding all that far. I think he's a top-20 pick all day long in any draft. Could he have been a top-10 pick? He still might be a top-10 pick.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000801735/article/mayock-alabama-lb-reuben-foster-still-might-be-a-top10-pick

[Chromeburn]

Your argument doesn't hold up since he got 14 of his career sacks during away games. Timing the snap is a skill pros use. And the NFL is full of twitchy athletes that can't or won't learn technique and never progress. His 40 time wasn't very good, it's true. But there is a lot more to bring an edge rusher than running fast in a straight line. Barnett can already fight off blockers at a level plenty of pros never get to.

It holds up just fine. Timing the snap is ok, not having a quick step and having to jump the snap gets you penalized. Which he was the most in college ball. He needs every bit of that. I never said anything about his 40 time. I could care less about his 40 time. His 1st step is slow. His hand use is great, but it's an uphill battle for him. I think he has hit his peak. I would rather take one of the athletic freaks and teach him technique. It's a safer play. Players are always training technique in the off season. Check out the sack whisperer article on cbs sports. NFL is a year round job, if they are not working on their technique they won't last long.

[natagu23]

It holds up just fine. Timing the snap is ok, not having a quick step and having to jump the snap gets you penalized. Which he was the most in college ball. He needs every bit of that. I never said anything about his 40 time. I could care less about his 40 time. His 1st step is slow. His hand use is great, but it's an uphill battle for him. I think he has hit his peak. I would rather take one of the athletic freaks and teach him technique. It's a safer play. Players are always training technique in the off season. Check out the sack whisperer article on cbs sports. NFL is a year round job, if they are not working on their technique they won't last long.

Although poor (4.9 at pro day), i could care less about Barnett's 40 as long as he can make up for it with explosiveness which is something he clearly doesnt have.

He doesnt have the explosiveness you want as your primary pass rusher and it was confirmed with his weak broad jump and vertical.

I dont understand why people want to make him into something that he's not. He's a 43 DE with average to below average athleticism.

If you want to stand him up in a 34, then you asking for a bust. I'll gladly eat crow if im wrong but i doubt it.

[YDFL Commish]

Although poor (4.9 at pro day), i could care less about Barnett's 40 as long as he can make up for it with explosiveness which is something he clearly doesnt have.

He doesnt have the explosiveness you want as your primary pass rusher and it was confirmed with his weak broad jump and vertical.

I dont understand why people want to make him into something that he's not. He's a 43 DE with average to below average athleticism.

If you want to stand him up in a 34, then you asking for a bust. I'll gladly eat crow if im wrong but i doubt it.

I'll trust Bill Polian on which drills are most important for a pass rusher. BP 3-cone is the telling drill, and in the 3-cone Barnett knocked it out of the park with a 6.96.

I don't think that Barnett will be either a bust or a star. His lack of pass rush moves is what's most disturbing. That can be coached, but it doesn't mean that he can develop those moves either.

Bottom line, give me Harris over Barnett, but I won't be pissed with a Barnett pick either.

[njcoltfan]

I'll trust Bill Polian on which drills are most important for a pass rusher. BP 3-cone is the telling drill, and in the 3-cone Barnett knocked it out of the park with a 6.96.

I don't think that Barnett will be either a bust or a star. His lack of pass rush moves is what's most disturbing. That can be coached, but it doesn't mean that he can develop those moves either.

Bottom line, give me Harris over Barnett, but I won't be pissed with a Barnett pick either.

For what it's worth, Bucky Brooks on the NFL network said he thinks Barnett will get double digit sacks before Garrett.

[Blue Thunder]

I'm not a big fan of Barnett being the pick. A healthy Maggitt seems like the same guy.

[FatDT]

I'm not a big fan of Barnett being the pick. A healthy Maggitt seems like the same guy.

Lol ok.

[VeveJones007]

Per Mayock in MMQB:

I won’t be surprised if the Giants (seeking a tackle), scheduled to pick 23rd, or the Texans (seeking a quarterback), scheduled to pick 25th, move up into the teens. Baltimore (16) and Tennessee (18) would be happy to move down.

Going from 15 to 25 would be worth Houston's 2nd rounder (#57) according to the chart. That would be a great spot to target Sidney Jones.

[Chromeburn]

For what it's worth, Bucky Brooks on the NFL network said he thinks Barnett will get double digit sacks before Garrett.

No offense to Bucky, but I think he was 1 out of 32 in last year's draft. Guy doesn't know much when it comes to the draft.

[natagu23]

Per Mayock in MMQB:



Going from 15 to 25 would be worth Houston's 2nd rounder (#57) according to the chart. That would be a great spot to target Sidney Jones.

I dont know about targeting Jones but getting a 2nd would be nice if it were any other team but the Texans.

Not helping those f**kers.

[natagu23]

No offense to Bucky, but I think he was 1 out of 32 in last year's draft. Guy doesn't know much when it comes to the draft.

I was going mention something along those lines.

[Chromeburn]

I'll trust Bill Polian on which drills are most important for a pass rusher. BP 3-cone is the telling drill, and in the 3-cone Barnett knocked it out of the park with a 6.96.

I don't think that Barnett will be either a bust or a star. His lack of pass rush moves is what's most disturbing. That can be coached, but it doesn't mean that he can develop those moves either.

Bottom line, give me Harris over Barnett, but I won't be pissed with a Barnett pick either.

That is true, and Polian has forgotten more about evaluating talent than many draft guru's combined. I would consider the 3-cone much more important than the 40. But you don't take that in a vacuum. You also work in the other drills and see how he does. They measure length, speed, burst, bend. Barnett just is not as athletic as some of the other guys. Now could he overcome that? Sure. But you are playing an odds game and the odds are against him. Rookies have a lot to overcome. I will say one thing in his favor is he has impeccable character. You will never have to worry about him off the field and he will always give you 100% in game and on the practice field.

[Chromeburn]

I was going mention something along those lines.

Yeah, he is pretty bad. He might get more sacks, but he is also likely going to a better team. Garett will be doubled from day one.

[YDFL Commish]

That is true, and Polian has forgotten more about evaluating talent than many draft guru's combined. I would consider the 3-cone much more important than the 40. But you don't take that in a vacuum. You also work in the other drills and see how he does. They measure length, speed, burst, bend. Barnett just is not as athletic as some of the other guys. Now could he overcome that? Sure. But you are playing an odds game and the odds are against him. Rookies have a lot to overcome. I will say one thing in his favor is he has impeccable character. You will never have to worry about him off the field and he will always give you 100% in game and on the practice field.

I'll fully admit that he's not as athletic as some of the other guys. But he didn't embarrass himself in any of the drills, and I believe in everything but the 40 was probably in the top 50 percentile for his position.

[Chromeburn]

I'll fully admit that he's not as athletic as some of the other guys. But he didn't embarrass himself in any of the drills, and I believe in everything but the 40 was probably in the top 50 percentile for his position.

Is it where you feel a 1st rounder should be? I think he is a 2nd to 3rd, but will be drafted higher than that. Certainly not at 15.

Its that initial quickness where I see the biggest flag. That initial burst off the line is very important in the pros. You see a guy like Tim Williams who explodes off the line, I don't see it with Barnett. It's what made Mathis and Freenet so dangerous at the beginning of the careers.

[VeveJones007]

I dont know about targeting Jones but getting a 2nd would be nice if it were any other team but the Texans.

Not helping those f**kers.

I would gladly take a 2nd from them to help them get one of these sorry QBs in this class.

[Wyatt]

@SportsCenter
Breaking: Michigan’s Jabrill Peppers tested positive for a diluted sample at the NFL scouting combine. (via @AdamSchefter)

[Wyatt]

Put together by a reddit user, I wouldn't be dissapointed to see us get him at 1-15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFc9pnatlyM

[Wyatt]

Jarrad Davis anyone?

http://horseshoeheroes.com/2017/04/24/colts-rumored-interested-floridas-jarrad-davis/

[Coltsalr]

In that regard, ESPN’s Todd McShay today wrote that the Colts could be the team that takes Alabama inside linebacker Reuben Foster.

One person I spoke to said the Indianapolis Colts could end up being the parachute pick for Foster at No. 15 overall, given how they're trying to overhaul the defensive side of the ball. If he doesn't go there, the Redskins two picks later could be in play.

[Wyatt]

In that regard, ESPN’s Todd McShay today wrote that the Colts could be the team that takes Alabama inside linebacker Reuben Foster.

One person I spoke to said the Indianapolis Colts could end up being the parachute pick for Foster at No. 15 overall, given how they're trying to overhaul the defensive side of the ball. If he doesn't go there, the Redskins two picks later could be in play.

hopefully Ballard has the balls to do it

[Wyatt]

Per Matt Miller (Bleacher Report)

Indianapolis Colts: New general manager Chris Ballard has remade the team through free agency, giving the Colts the freedom to go with a best-player-available approach. As for needs, my scouting source said edge-rusher should be targeted in Round 1. This is another team that has Mixon on its board.

[Wyatt]

@TMZ_Sports
NFL Prospect Gareon Conley Accused of Rape, Strongly Denies Allegations

[VeveJones007]

Per Matt Miller (Bleacher Report)

Indianapolis Colts: New general manager Chris Ballard has remade the team through free agency, giving the Colts the freedom to go with a best-player-available approach. As for needs, my scouting source said edge-rusher should be targeted in Round 1. This is another team that has Mixon on its board.

That reads like it came from someone who knows the Colts board.

[Coltsalr]

Per Matt Miller (Bleacher Report)

Indianapolis Colts: New general manager Chris Ballard has remade the team through free agency, giving the Colts the freedom to go with a best-player-available approach. As for needs, my scouting source said edge-rusher should be targeted in Round 1. This is another team that has Mixon on its board.

ILB over edge-rusher in the 1st round, but otherwise I like it.

[DrSpaceman]

Not for this year, but interesting article about the Colts 1992 draft
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/1992-colts-drafts-top-two-picks-didnt-work-anyone-hoped-131610880.html

Coryatt actually was not been, he had some solid years. Just not worth a #2 pick

Reading the article I find it confusing though why they took Emtman first and Coryatt #2 rather than vice versa when they signed Coryatt first before the draft.

[FatDT]

@TMZ_Sports
NFL Prospect Gareon Conley Accused of Rape, Strongly Denies Allegations

Well, maybe the Colts can get him in the 4th or 5th now.

[Chromeburn]

Jarrad Davis anyone?

http://horseshoeheroes.com/2017/04/24/colts-rumored-interested-floridas-jarrad-davis/

The only thing that worries me is his injury history. Beyond that he is a really good prospect. I think earlier in the thread we talked about him. He might project better in a 4-3. But if he is protected up front with a decent NT then he could do some damage as a Mike in a 3-4 where he can run around make plays and cover.

[YDFL Commish]

@TMZ_Sports
NFL Prospect Gareon Conley Accused of Rape, Strongly Denies Allegations

Conley hasn't been charged.....yet. If he is still not charged by Thursday, I'm not sure what this does to his draft status. But it sure throws a wrench into some teams draft boards.

[njcoltfan]

Conley hasn't been charged.....yet. If he is still not charged by Thursday, I'm not sure what this does to his draft status. But it sure throws a wrench into some teams draft boards.

Can you say La'el Collins ??

[Wyatt]

If only Myles Garrett would put on a gas mask bong tomorrow, that'd be great

[Chromeburn]

Can you say La'el Collins ??

It won't be that bad. People are already calling bullshit.

[ukcolt]

The Colts have been strongly linked with Reuben Foster in the 1st round, and now Joe Mixon in the 2nd and a few of us have talked about drafting Sidney Jones in the 3rd.....i like all three guys a lot, but i am not so sure i would be happy taking that amount of risk in one draft. They could all potentially become pro bowl calibre players, but there are major concerns with all three. Foster has a history of niggling injuries, Mixon a major domestic issue, and Jones an achilles injury, that you just never know if you will return 100%.

It would be a major boom or bust draft.

[Wyatt]

The Colts have been strongly linked with Reuben Foster in the 1st round, and now Joe Mixon in the 2nd and a few of us have talked about drafting Sidney Jones in the 3rd.....i like all three guys a lot, but i am not so sure i would be happy taking that amount of risk in one draft. They could all potentially become pro bowl calibre players, but there are major concerns with all three. Foster has a history of niggling injuries, Mixon a major domestic issue, and Jones an achilles injury, that you just never know if you will return 100%.

It would be a major boom or bust draft.

if we drafted those 3 in the first 3 rounds, and only 1 lived up the their potential, I'd have to rank it right up there with Grigsons best draft for us

[Wyatt]

Almost forgot about this guy - 10 years ago our 1st Rd pick was a WR from Ohio State named Anthony Gonzalez.

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2017/04/25/colts-first-round-pick-10-years-ago-reflects-draft-injury-shortened-career/100880922/

[Coltsalr]

Almost forgot about this guy - 10 years ago our 1st Rd pick was a WR from Ohio State named Anthony Gonzalez.

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2017/04/25/colts-first-round-pick-10-years-ago-reflects-draft-injury-shortened-career/100880922/

This was the first of the dud drafts from Polian that eventually did us in. One could argue that after winning the Super Bowl that he threw it in Cruise control, though I know some think this is when he gave his son the keys.

Whatever the case, alas, i'd argue that Gonzalez was the turning point. I'd argue the same about Bjoern Werner with Grigson. Hopefully Ballard doesn't have one of those, and if he does, certainly hope he doesn't hit that point this year.

[sherck]

My last look at a mock draft but, good golly, if we could even get close to this:

1-15: OLB Haason Reddick, Temple
2-14: CB Ahkello Witherspoon, Colorado
3-16: CB Rasul Douglas, West Virginia
4-15: OLB Ryan Anderson, Alabama
4-31: OG Nico Siragusa, San Diego State
4-38: RB James Conner, Pittsburgh
5-14: ILB Anthony Walker Jr, Northwestern

UDFA "Signed:"

S Chuck Clark, Virginia Tech
QB Zach Terrell, Western Michigan
OT David Sharpe, Florida
TE Cole Hikutini, Louisville
S Kai Nacua, BYU

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Ryan Anderson being available in the middle of the 4th round is a bit of a stretch I think but otherwise, this mock draft meets every need the Colts have for 2017 and beyond.

I like the option of being able to play Reddick as a potential ILB on run downs and dedicated pass rusher on passing downs. Anderson could end up being a good OLB[EDGE] type guy to back up Simon.

Conner was rated right up there in 2014 behind only Ezekiel Elliot and Melvin Gordon prior to having some injury issues and beating Hodgkin's Lymphoma which cost him the 2015 season. In his first season back, he understandably did not match his previous level of performance, but did still have a good season, nonetheless, and improved as the year progressed. I like the pick and think he could be a pretty good sleeper RB.

Cheers,

[Wyatt]

I really like Conner also, after reading his letter to the GM's it kind of sold me on him, if nothing more than his level of character

[sherck]

Why is Grigson gone?

Colts draftee still on team:

2012: 2 still on team
QB-Andrew Luck (1-1)
WR-T.Y. Hilton (3-92)

2013: 0 still on team

2014: 2 still on team
OG-Jack Mewhort (2-59)
WR-Donte Moncrief (3-90)

Out of 21 draft selection spots (7 awarded per season); Grigson managed to find only 4 guys that are still on the team 6, 5 or 4 seasons later (assuming those guys make the 2017 roster! :) ).

Granted, you could bump that up to five if you include Vontae Davis since we directly traded a draft pick to get him but....

My guess is that number needs to be more like 10 or 12 out of 21 to be a top flight team/GM. Many of your 5th/6th/7th round picks should not probably stick for more than their rookie contract (if that long) but your lower round picks should still be on the team at the end of their rookie contracts.

Anyway, that is dreadful.

How much better would our roster situation be if these guys had turned into at least NFL solid?

OLB Bjoern Werner (1st round 2013)
OG Hugh Thornton (3rd round 2013)
OC Khaled Holmes (4th round 2013)
RB Trent Richardson (1st round 2014)
1st round 2015 spent on a position other than OC (since Holmes worked out)

That is 4 spots that the Colts need to fill right now (Right OG, OLB[RUSH], RB, Whatever we took with 1st round 2015) that we could be looking at other positions if Grigson had just picked better guys (or Pagano developed talent better).

Anyway, I am glad Grigson is gone.

Bonus question. Who are the Colts draftees still on the team that were drafted prior to the Grigson era in Indy? Don't cheat!

Cheers,

[Wyatt]

Castonzo?
Overton maybe?

[sherck]

Castonzo?
Overton maybe?
Castonzo (1st round 2011) is indeed the ONLY Colt draftee still on the team from before the Luck era started.

So, from 2011 (2017 = 7th year in league), 2012 (2017 = 6th year in league), 2013 (2017 = 5th year in league) and 2014 (2017 = 4th year in league), we have five whole draftees still on the roster. FIVE. Out of 27 total picks (13 of them in the first 4 rounds).

Years 4-9 are like the HEART of a player's career. Old enough to have learned the NFL game, young enough to have a body that can play it. We have five guys....

Grigson sucked as a draft manager.

=============
With both Robert Mathis and Joe Reitz retiring, the only other Colt on the roster that was on the 2011 team or prior is Adam Vinieteri. Two guys from the "pre-Luck" era.

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With the 2017 "old man" roster purge by Ballard, the Colts have (age in parentheses) :

22 seasons experience = Adam Vinatieri (44)
13 seasons experience = Frank Gore (33)
10 seasons experience = Kendall Langford (31)
09 seasons experience = Vontae Davis (28), Darius Butler (31)
08 seasons experience = Al Woods (30)
07 seasons experience = Akeem Ayers (27), Anthony Castonzo (28), Jabaal Sheard (27), Scott Tolzien (29)
06 seasons experience = T.Y. Hilton (27), Andrew Luck (27), Matt Overton (31), Sean Spence (26), Robert Turbin (27)

Only six players 30 years or older of which 2 are special teams (Adam V and Overton), two are D-Line (Langford, Woods) and Gore and Butler.

We are a young team but the lack of lots of more draftees at the 7/6/5 years of service area really hurts.

Cheers,

[Coltsalr]

Tyler Brooke @TylerDBrooke 12m12 minutes ago
Hearing that the Colts are considering trading up into the Top 10. Apparently they're thinking long and hard about Christian McCaffrey.

FOR FUCK'S SAKE BALLARD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[sherck]

Tyler Brooke @TylerDBrooke 12m12 minutes ago
Hearing that the Colts are considering trading up into the Top 10. Apparently they're thinking long and hard about Christian McCaffrey.

FOR FUCK'S SAKE BALLARD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
That would be completely against everything that Ballard has said up to this point.

Deep draft for defense. Build from the trenches back. Want more draft picks, not less.

I don't believe it for a moment.

Cheers,

[njcoltfan]

That would be completely against everything that Ballard has said up to this point.

Deep draft for defense. Build from the trenches back. Want more draft picks, not less.

I don't believe it for a moment.

Cheers,

That would be a kick in the nutsack if it is!!

[Puck]

That would be completely against everything that Ballard has said up to this point.

Deep draft for defense. Build from the trenches back. Want more draft picks, not less.

I don't believe it for a moment.

Cheers,


This means there will be a lot of defensive talent available after the 1st round.

Maybe you shouldnt believe for a moment what he was saying all along.

[rcubed]

Tyler Brooke @TylerDBrooke 12m12 minutes ago
Hearing that the Colts are considering trading up into the Top 10. Apparently they're thinking long and hard about Christian McCaffrey.

FOR FUCK'S SAKE BALLARD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
this board (led by a certain individual) would explode!!

[HoosierinFL]

Tyler Brooke @TylerDBrooke 12m12 minutes ago
Hearing that the Colts are considering trading up into the Top 10. Apparently they're thinking long and hard about Christian McCaffrey.

FOR FUCK'S SAKE BALLARD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Apparently the trade-up rumor could involve either McCaffrey or Solomon Thomas.

[Spike]

Tyler Brooke @TylerDBrooke 12m12 minutes ago
Hearing that the Colts are considering trading up into the Top 10. Apparently they're thinking long and hard about Christian McCaffrey.

FOR FUCK'S SAKE BALLARD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Like I said in the other thread, this is bullshit. Even if Ballard was contemplating this, he wouldn't leak it out. He better not be contemplating it though, it would be a dumb ass move. Don't want McCaffrey even at 15. Damn, can the draft get here already, tired of all the rumors.

[Coltsalr]

I'm not even interested in McCaffrey in the 20's if we trade back.

He might very well be something good in the NFL. Not worth finding out if it's with the Colts with all our other glaring needs.

[YDFL Commish]

Bonus question. Who are the Colts draftees still on the team that were drafted prior to the Grigson era in Indy? Don't cheat!


Castonzo has to be the only one, with McAfee now gone.

[natagu23]

That would be a kick in the nutsack if it is!!

Bleh...i really dont think thats gonna happen....unless we're the team that 'guranteed' drafting him.

There is that one team who issued the gurantee so you never know.

[sherck]

The "buzz" is that Conley is dropping to round 3 with the rape charge.

Do you risk it?

Cheers,

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[Coltsalr]

The "buzz" is that Conley is dropping to round 3 with the rape charge.

Do you risk it?

Cheers,

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Yes.

[Wyatt]

Yup, innocent until proven guilty

[Dewey 5]

The "buzz" is that Conley is dropping to round 3 with the rape charge.

Do you risk it?

Cheers,

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Hell, if he is around in the 2nd I would risk it. Also you said "charge." He hasn't been charged with anything at this point.

[natagu23]

Hell, if he is around in the 2nd I would risk it. Also you said "charge." He hasn't been charged with anything at this point.

I would.

The accuser's story contradicts a video released from the night of the event.

The woman said he met Conley in an elevator of a hotel according to the police report, but the video shows the two "being friendly" in a bar/club before they met at the hotel .

Ballard and his staff will have to do their research regardless, but I would pull the trigger on Conley in the 2nd.

[natagu23]

If it comes down to a he said-she said, those charges most likely won't stick.

Conley is still an idiot and will lose a few million when its all said and done.

[Dewey 5]

If it comes down to a he said-she said, those charges most like won't stick.

Conley is still an idiot and will lose a few million when its all said and done.

Even better. A lower rookie contract for potential an all-pro caliber player.

I'm in.

[Wyatt]

"Surveillance video of NFL draft prospect Gareon Conley and the woman accusing him of rape reportedly contradicts some of her story.

TMZ Sports reported Wednesday video shows Conley and the woman being "friendly" with each other "at a bar roughly 25 minutes before they ended up in a hotel room together."

"The video is critical because it appears to contradict what the accuser told police—that she first met Conley in an elevator at the Westin hotel around 2:45 a.m.," TMZ Sports explained.

The outlet reported Tuesday that Conley was named in a police report in which the woman alleged he raped her."

[DrSpaceman]

From what I heard on talk radio this morning, the rape accusation would be completely out of character for him and he has an otherwise spotless record of anything close to this happening.

So I would take a chance

[Coltsalr]

@HolderStephen
Disclaimer: This is NOT a prediction. However, I would advise you not to discount Forrest Lamp to the #Colts. Just a name I'm hearing.



I mean, I wouldn't TOTALLY hate the pick...

[Wyatt]

neither would I, I'd love to see Foster in the 1st, but never gonna see me bitch about protecting our franchise

[Indiana V2]

@HolderStephen
Disclaimer: This is NOT a prediction. However, I would advise you not to discount Forrest Lamp to the #Colts. Just a name I'm hearing.



I mean, I wouldn't TOTALLY hate the pick...

At #15? Or trading back and taking him?

[FatDT]

It's a safe pick. Nothing to lose my mind over. I'd be a little disappointed. But it's possible to get Lamp in the 1st and still get 2-4 impact defenders later in this draft. Especially if we get him later in the 1st with a trade back and get another 3rd rounder.

[natagu23]

How would you react to drafting T.J. Watt in the first?

[sherck]

How would you react to drafting T.J. Watt in the first?
I would love it.

I think he is just growing into the player that he could become, his athleticism is incredible and his work ethic is high.

IND trades 1-15 (1,050 pts) for TB 1-19 and 3-20 (1,045 pts).

IND trade 1-19 (875 pts) for HOU 1-25 and 3-25 (865 pts).

Use 1-25 to select T.J. Watt and then have 1 2nd round pick, 3 3rd round picks and 3 4th round picks to shore up CB, ILB, Safety and offensive positions.

Cheers,

[Wyatt]

At #15? Or trading back and taking him?

V2, fellow breather of smoke filled air, you going anywhere public to watch the draft or staying home? I'm debating on Bdubs or up to 4 winds

[DrSpaceman]

I'd be good with any help on the OL or DL.

Not sure he is worth a first round pick though, if that is what is being stated. IS he ranked that high?

[Chromeburn]

How would you react to drafting T.J. Watt in the first?

I would be ok with it. 15 is a little high. But at the end of the day if he is a good player, I don't care if he is a reach. I am starting to think Jordan Willis is the best ED?GE we can get, Polian was practically doing back flips talking about him.

[Indiana V2]

V2, fellow breather of smoke filled air, you going anywhere public to watch the draft or staying home? I'm debating on Bdubs or up to 4 winds

Staying home tonight. Grabbing some tacos to eat while watching​.

[Indiana V2]

I would be ok with it. 15 is a little high. But at the end of the day if he is a good player, I don't care if he is a reach. I am starting to think Jordan Willis is the best ED?GE we can get, Polian was practically doing back flips talking about him.

If there's one position Polian does know about it's edge rushers.

[apballin]

Said it before and I'm saying it again Foster or Lamp

[DrSpaceman]

Foster and Allen available and we pick a safety?

Please tell me this is not TJ green part two? Hopefully more a healthy Bob Sanders

[Blue Thunder]

I love this pick. Butler back to nickel...GM, true to his word, TJ Green has to work his ass off for snaps...Best player left on the board next to Allen. OJ Howard would get me excited as well.

[natagu23]

Foster and Allen available and we pick a safety?

Please tell me this is not TJ green part two? Hopefully more a healthy Bob Sanders

Hooker is the real deal. Hooker is easily the "rangiest" player in the draft. Case and point, part of Clemson's gameplan in the college playoff was to avoid throwing any where around Hooker, but he still managed to pick off Watson because he's that good.

He fits what Pagano likes with a single high safety and man across the board.

T.J. Green? Again, I would like to see him get a shot at corner. Its brainless in a man scheme compared to playing safety.

Either that or trade his ass, because Green isn't beating out Hooker.

[Puck]

Hooker is the real deal. Hooker is easily the "rangiest" player in the draft. Case and point, part of Clemson's gameplan in the college playoff was to avoid throwing any where around Hooker, but he still managed to pick off Watson because he's that good.

He fits what Pagano likes with a single high safety and man across the board.

T.J. Green? Again, I would like to see him get a shot at corner. Its brainless in a man scheme compared to playing safety.

Either that or trade his ass, because Green isn't beating out Hooker.

Could be some thoughts of playing some big nickel with Geathers Hooker and Green

[VeveJones007]

Could be some thoughts of playing some big nickel with Geathers Hooker and Green

I don't think Green even registers in Ballard's planning process. FS was always a position he was looking to upgrade.

[natagu23]

Could be some thoughts of playing some big nickel with Geathers Hooker and Green

Hooker is already better than Green no doubt about it. No projects here. Hooker is who he is and that is a legit Ed Reed type who can shut down one top half of the field.

Green has to see the field some how imo in order to evaluate whether if he'll sink or float and that has to be at corner.

Plus we're paper thin at corner even if we make a selection day 2 of the draft. It only makes sense.

[Blue Thunder]

I can see Green competing for playing time at nickel... but I also see him backing up Geathers at SS. In any event our secondary is improved.

[Chromeburn]

The FS is one of the most important positions in the cover 3, and we got one of the best FS's to project in that defense since Earl Thomas. For what we do, this was a very good pick. Grigson's answer to that FS was TJ Green, Ballard's answer is Malik Hooker. Already I know we have a better GM with one pick.

And this isn't to say TJ Green should be gone. We surely can find a place for a guy his size and speed. Just not as the center fielder. Perhaps as the guy to watch the back out of the field. Because that is how you beat the cover 3 with a speedy back out of the back field.

[ukcolt]

I was and still am absolutely delighted with the pick....he was in my opinion the 2nd most disruptive defensive player in this draft behind Myles Garrett. For him to fall all the way down to us at pick 15 was a dream scenario i never even considered possible. To have had the choice over Hooker AND Allen, was unreal, but looks like the injury concerns for Allen are more of a risk than originally thought.

Hooker is a playmaker who is still learning how to play the position! He will instantly upgrade the entire secondary, allow us to have Butler continue as the nickle corner and primary backup to Hooker. Maybe if Green shows any signs of improvement we can consider the possibility of Geathers playing the hybrid LB role on a more full time basis, with Green, Hooker and Butler on the field at the same time.

We still desperately need a starting quality corner, to enable the defensive backs to step up and help improve the pass rush. Without this piece of the defense being upgraded then opposing QB's will just target Melvin constantly and get the ball out early before the pass rush have a chance to get there.

I LOVE the selection.

[ukcolt]

Defensive formations that Hooker allows us to become flexible in.

Base 3-4 defense
CB Vontae Davis
FS Malik Hooker
SS Clayton Geathers
CB New draft pick or Rashaan Melvin
OLB Jabaal Sheard
ILB Sean Spence
ILB Edwin Jackson
OLB John Simon
DE Kendall Langford
NT Johnathan Hankins
DE Henry Anderson

3rd and medium base defense
CB Vontae Davis
FS Malik Hooker
SS Donald Butler
CB New draft pick or Rashaan Melvin
OLB Jabaal Sheard
ILB Sean Spence
ILB Clayton Geathers
OLB John Simon
DE Kendall Langford
NT Johnathan Hankins
DE Henry Anderson

Nickle
CB Vontae Davis
FS Malik Hooker
SS T.J. Green
CB Donald Butler
CB New draft pick or Rashaan Melvin
OLB Jabaal Sheard
ILB Clayton Geathers
OLB John Simon
DE Kendall Langford
NT Johnathan Hankins
DE Henry Anderson

Dime
CB Vontae Davis
FS Malik Hooker
SS Clayton Geathers
SS T.J. Green
CB Donald Butler
CB New draft pick or Rashaan Melvin
OLB Jabaal Sheard
OLB John Simon
DE Kendall Langford
NT Johnathan Hankins
DE Henry Anderson

[VeveJones007]

I was and still am absolutely delighted with the pick....he was in my opinion the 2nd most disruptive defensive player in this draft behind Myles Garrett. For him to fall all the way down to us at pick 15 was a dream scenario i never even considered possible. To have had the choice over Hooker AND Allen, was unreal, but looks like the injury concerns for Allen are more of a risk than originally thought.

Hooker is a playmaker who is still learning how to play the position! He will instantly upgrade the entire secondary, allow us to have Butler continue as the nickle corner and primary backup to Hooker. Maybe if Green shows any signs of improvement we can consider the possibility of Geathers playing the hybrid LB role on a more full time basis, with Green, Hooker and Butler on the field at the same time.

We still desperately need a starting quality corner, to enable the defensive backs to step up and help improve the pass rush. Without this piece of the defense being upgraded then opposing QB's will just target Melvin constantly and get the ball out early before the pass rush have a chance to get there.

I LOVE the selection.

There will be starting caliber corners in rounds 2 and 3. I would expect at least one.

[sherck]

Defensive formations that Hooker allows us to become flexible in.

Base 3-4 defense
CB Vontae Davis
FS Malik Hooker
SS Clayton Geathers
CB New draft pick or Rashaan Melvin
OLB Jabaal Sheard
ILB Sean Spence
ILB Edwin Jackson
OLB John Simon
DE Kendall Langford
NT Johnathan Hankins
DE Henry Anderson

3rd and medium base defense
CB Vontae Davis
FS Malik Hooker
SS Donald Butler
CB New draft pick or Rashaan Melvin
OLB Jabaal Sheard
ILB Sean Spence
ILB Clayton Geathers
OLB John Simon
DE Kendall Langford
NT Johnathan Hankins
DE Henry Anderson

Nickle
CB Vontae Davis
FS Malik Hooker
SS T.J. Green
CB Donald Butler
CB New draft pick or Rashaan Melvin
OLB Jabaal Sheard
ILB Clayton Geathers
OLB John Simon
DE Kendall Langford
NT Johnathan Hankins
DE Henry Anderson

Dime
CB Vontae Davis
FS Malik Hooker
SS Clayton Geathers
SS T.J. Green
CB Donald Butler
CB New draft pick or Rashaan Melvin
OLB Jabaal Sheard
OLB John Simon
DE Kendall Langford
NT Johnathan Hankins
DE Henry Anderson
You, apparently, don't believe that ILB Jon Bostic will be a factor at all at ILB?

Cheers,

[Coltsalr]

You, apparently, don't believe that ILB Jon Bostic will be a factor at all at ILB?

Cheers,

He's started 1 game since the end of 2014, so probably not?

[FatDT]

Bostic obviously has talent since two teams have traded for him, but it's hard to expect much from him given how his career has gone so far.

[ukcolt]

No he might end up coming into to compete for a roster spot alongside Antonio Morrison, or possibly unseat Edwin Jackson, but i don't really expect him to be anywhere near the starting lineups in any of the formations that we will deploy.

If he makes the roster he will get game time, of course he will, but to spell players, not to be the primary guys in any of the packages.