4th and 8 was my 62-7 moment for the Ballard/Steichen regime.

[albany ed]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

Puck, we, the most devout of Colts fans, demand you immediately remove this man from the forum! Ed, many many many years of admiring your posts, but dude...

I am old, I think we're pretty close in age from what I recall. Perhaps we can attribute this blasphemy to senility???? Perhaps a recent violent car accident? C'mon, give us something to hang this terrible take on!

I don’t place my opinion on championships alone, although as a field general, you are considered the most important cog in winning. Brady leads Manning in every stat. Passing yards, completions, passing TDs, rushing TDs and passer rating. Like I said, I love Manning, but if I take off my blue tinted glasses and see the world the way every single expert outside of Colts mafia does, Brady is the GOAT.

[apballin]

Originally Posted by albany ed

I don’t place my opinion on championships alone, although as a field general, you are considered the most important cog in winning. Brady leads Manning in every stat. Passing yards, completions, passing TDs, rushing TDs and passer rating. Like I said, I love Manning, but if I take off my blue tinted glasses and see the world the way every single expert outside of Colts mafia does, Brady is the GOAT.

Absolutely not, Colts fandom aside. Manning was a #1 pick had the weight of the world as far as expectations coming to an organization known for losing on Sunday.

He was a coach on the field he transcended the game of football. Brady and Belicheck started to copy the Colts playing style.

Brady had no pressure from the moment he stepped on the field. He had a great defense, great coach, and clutch kicker.

He may have won more championships but no QB was asked to do more in his career than the true GOAT and that’s Peyton fuckin Manning

[Oldcolt]

I just disagree that either one of them are the greatest of all time. Unitas, for instance, changed how the game was played. His career was way more impactful on the NFL than either of Manning or Brady. I would take Manning any day over Brady however, as would many non Colt fans i have had this conversation with or read. It is a fun argument, i wish they both were still in their prime-life was better for us then.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

I just disagree that either one of them are the greatest of all time. Unitas, for instance, changed how the game was played. His career was way more impactful on the NFL than either of Manning or Brady. I would take Manning any day over Brady however, as would many non Colt fans i have had this conversation with or read. It is a fun argument, i wish they both were still in their prime-life was better for us then.

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I thought that Manning was greater than Unitas.

Manning was an absolte freak-of-nature in regard to reading defenses, and audibling in and out of plays at the line-of-scrimmage ...... I had never seen anything like that before he came along, or since he retired.

In 2012, Manning ...... in his very first season with a brand- new team ...... took all of 5 games to single-handedly transform a previously mediocre Denver Broncos offense into an offensive juggernaut that resembled the 2005 Indianapolis Colts. In the divisional playoffs against the Baltimore Ravens he put 35 points on the board, and only one of the biggest defensive blunders in the history of professional football post-season play allowed the Ravens to score the game-tying TD on a 70-yard bomb with only 30 seconds left to play and no timeouts to send that game into overtime ...... if not for that blunder, it is highly likely that the Broncos would have easily beaten the Patriots in the AFC championship game that year (like they did the following year in 2013), and won the Super Bowl against the 49ers.


All of that said, I think that an argument can be made for Dan Marino being the greatest quarterback of all-time, and I will get into that in my next post.

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[Colts And Orioles]

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In 1995 when I was 30 years-old, I was talking to a man who was 55 ...... that man had seen Sammy Baugh and Sid Luckman play in their primes.


I asked him who he thought was the greatest quarterback of all-time, and he said, l "Dan Marino."

So what did my dumb-ass, 30 year-old self say ??? I said, l "But Marino's teams only made it to 1 Super Bowl, and they were beaten badly."

His reply ??? He said, l "That's now what you asked ...... you said quarterback, not world championships."



And so a man who had seen Sammy Baugh, Sid Luckman, Otto Graham, YA Tittle, Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr, and Joe Montana all play in their primes clued my stupid ass in on determining what constitutes a great quarterback.

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[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by albany ed

I didn't say he had Manning, I said he had the GOAT. I love Manning, but when all is said and done, Brady not Manning is the GOAT.

I'm sorry, but that's just wrong. Brady had better playoff luck that was mostly due to cheating, Manning was the better QB. You don't even have to take my word for it, the AP voted Manning MVP 5 times in a 17 year career and Brady MVP 3 times in a 23 year career. Manning was the first QB to pass for over 70,000 yards and 500 TDs. Neither longevity nor cheating make Tom Brady a better QB than Peyton Manning.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

I just disagree that either one of them are the greatest of all time. Unitas, for instance, changed how the game was played. His career was way more impactful on the NFL than either of Manning or Brady. I would take Manning any day over Brady however, as would many non Colt fans i have had this conversation with or read. It is a fun argument, i wish they both were still in their prime-life was better for us then.

Manning also changed how the game was played. QBs didn't do half the shit they do now at the line while reading the defense before Manning. Tom Moore would send Manning in 3 play calls, and he would choose at the line which one to run based on how he read the defense. That's a somewhat common practice now that was completely unheard of before Peyton Manning.

I view Manning vs. Brady a lot like Jordan vs. LeBron at this point. Both are great players, but there is a clear better one in both sports, and in neither case is it the one whose numbers and case are built on longevity.

[albany ed]

and right now there are some 12 lads in KC that are convinced that Patrick Mahomes is the GOAT and you old timers (anyone over 30) just wanna stick to your memories.

[YDFL Commish]

This has been bandied about a bit. But Many people think that Manning was greatest regular season QB.

[albany ed]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

This has been bandied about a bit. But Many people think that Manning was greatest regular season QB.

I would agree with that