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Old 06-08-2017, 10:14 AM
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Default Belicheat, This isn't Indy

According to a source from camp, Belichick ripped into Allen after numerous drops, Belichick shouted to him “This isn’t Indy, those drops matter here”.

Memo to Belicheat, they matter in Indy too dumbass, why do you think the Colts traded him to you.

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Old 06-08-2017, 10:23 AM
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A head coach holding a player accountable? That's just unheard of.
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313 targets / 183 receptions / 58.47% catch rate = Coby Fleener (while with Colts)
199 targets / 126 receptions / 63.31% catch rate = Dwayne Allen
118 targets / 094 receptions / 79.67% catch rate = Jack Doyle

Obviously, that is not drops. However, those catch rate do point to why two of those guys were allowed to leave the team (1 via free agency and 1 via trade) and one got PAID.




[EDIT] I found a website, SportingCharts.com, that has a table of "drops." I don't know how they determine what is a "drop" so take it with a grain of salt.

On their chart, for 2016:

026 targets / 3 drops / 11.5% drop rate = RB Josh Ferguson
022 targets / 2 drops / 09.1% drop rate = TE Erik Swoope
052 targets / 3 drops / 05.8% drop rate = TE Dwayne Allen
035 targets / 2 drops / 05.7% drop rate = RB Robert Turbin
059 targets / 3 drops / 05.1% drop rate = WR Phillip Dorsett
155 targets / 6 drops / 03.9% drop rate = WR T.Y. Hilton
034 targets / 1 drops / 02.9% drop rate = WR Chester Rogers
075 targets / 2 drops / 02.7% drop rate = TE Jack Doyle
047 targets / 1 drops / 02.1% drop rate = RB Frank Gore
056 targets / 1 drops / 01.8% drop rate = WR Donte Moncrief
004 targets / 0 drops / 00.0% drop rate = WR Quan Bray

For their time with the Colts:

197 targets / 11 drops / 5.58% drop rate = TE Dwayne Allen
311 targets / 13 drops / 4.18% drop rate = TE Coby Fleener
118 targets / 03 drops / 2.54% drop rate = TE Jack Doyle

For last season, NE had 2 TEs which more than 3 targets:

073 targets / 2 drops / 02.7% drop rate = TE Martellus Bennett
038 targets / 0 drops / 00.0% drop rate = TE Rob Gronkowski

If the Cheats are looking for Doyle, Bennett or Gronkowski rates of drops from Allen, they are going to be sorely disappointed.

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313 targets / 183 receptions / 58.47% catch rate = Coby Fleener (while with Colts)
199 targets / 126 receptions / 63.31% catch rate = Dwayne Allen
118 targets / 094 receptions / 79.67% catch rate = Jack Doyle

Obviously, that is not drops. However, those catch rate do point to why two of those guys were allowed to leave the team (1 via free agency and 1 via trade) and one got PAID.




[EDIT] I found a website, SportingCharts.com, that has a table of "drops." I don't know how they determine what is a "drop" so take it with a grain of salt.

On their chart, for 2016:

026 targets / 3 drops / 11.5% drop rate = RB Josh Ferguson
022 targets / 2 drops / 09.1% drop rate = TE Erik Swoope
052 targets / 3 drops / 05.8% drop rate = TE Dwayne Allen
035 targets / 2 drops / 05.7% drop rate = RB Robert Turbin
059 targets / 3 drops / 05.1% drop rate = WR Phillip Dorsett
155 targets / 6 drops / 03.9% drop rate = WR T.Y. Hilton
034 targets / 1 drops / 02.9% drop rate = WR Chester Rogers
075 targets / 2 drops / 02.7% drop rate = TE Jack Doyle
047 targets / 1 drops / 02.1% drop rate = RB Frank Gore
056 targets / 1 drops / 01.8% drop rate = WR Donte Moncrief
004 targets / 0 drops / 00.0% drop rate = WR Quan Bray

For their time with the Colts:

197 targets / 11 drops / 5.58% drop rate = TE Dwayne Allen
311 targets / 13 drops / 4.18% drop rate = TE Coby Fleener
118 targets / 03 drops / 2.54% drop rate = TE Jack Doyle

For last season, NE had 2 TEs which more than 3 targets:

073 targets / 2 drops / 02.7% drop rate = TE Martellus Bennett
038 targets / 0 drops / 00.0% drop rate = TE Rob Gronkowski

If the Cheats are looking for Doyle, Bennett or Gronkowski rates of drops from Allen, they are going to be sorely disappointed.

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313 targets / 183 receptions / 58.47% catch rate = Coby Fleener (while with Colts)
199 targets / 126 receptions / 63.31% catch rate = Dwayne Allen
118 targets / 094 receptions / 79.67% catch rate = Jack Doyle

Obviously, that is not drops. However, those catch rate do point to why two of those guys were allowed to leave the team (1 via free agency and 1 via trade) and one got PAID.




[EDIT] I found a website, SportingCharts.com, that has a table of "drops." I don't know how they determine what is a "drop" so take it with a grain of salt.

On their chart, for 2016:

026 targets / 3 drops / 11.5% drop rate = RB Josh Ferguson
022 targets / 2 drops / 09.1% drop rate = TE Erik Swoope
052 targets / 3 drops / 05.8% drop rate = TE Dwayne Allen
035 targets / 2 drops / 05.7% drop rate = RB Robert Turbin
059 targets / 3 drops / 05.1% drop rate = WR Phillip Dorsett
155 targets / 6 drops / 03.9% drop rate = WR T.Y. Hilton
034 targets / 1 drops / 02.9% drop rate = WR Chester Rogers
075 targets / 2 drops / 02.7% drop rate = TE Jack Doyle
047 targets / 1 drops / 02.1% drop rate = RB Frank Gore
056 targets / 1 drops / 01.8% drop rate = WR Donte Moncrief
004 targets / 0 drops / 00.0% drop rate = WR Quan Bray

For their time with the Colts:

197 targets / 11 drops / 5.58% drop rate = TE Dwayne Allen
311 targets / 13 drops / 4.18% drop rate = TE Coby Fleener
118 targets / 03 drops / 2.54% drop rate = TE Jack Doyle

For last season, NE had 2 TEs which more than 3 targets:

073 targets / 2 drops / 02.7% drop rate = TE Martellus Bennett
038 targets / 0 drops / 00.0% drop rate = TE Rob Gronkowski

If the Cheats are looking for Doyle, Bennett or Gronkowski rates of drops from Allen, they are going to be sorely disappointed.

Cheers,

Would it be fair to say that Fleener would have a deeper threat than Allen. So those catches and drops didn't account for the short route to longer routes?

Just curious
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Why do you think he was traded to you, dipshit? Don't like it? Cut him.
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Would it be fair to say that Fleener would have a deeper threat than Allen. So those catches and drops didn't account for the short route to longer routes?

Just curious
11.77 yards per reception = Coby Fleener (while with Colts)
11.52 yards per reception = Dwayne Allen (career)

I would agree that the stats don't account for the differences between long and short passes. I don't know that I can agree that Fleener ran a ton of longer routes than Allen.

Year / Allen's Avg YPC / Fleener's YPC

2012 / 11.6 / 10.8
2013 / xx.x / 11.7
2014 / 13.6 / 15.2
2015 / 06.8 / 09.1

I think lots and lots of folks remember Fleener from his 2014 season (15.2 avg, 8 TD) with a whopping 16 plays of 20+ yards and think that was his "standard." It was not; it was his best year as a pro.

In 2012, Fleener had 5 plays of 20+ yards...Allen had 9 plays of 20+ yards
In 2013, Flenner had 7 plays of 20+ yards...Allen had 1 plays of 20+ yards (his only catch of season)
In 2015, Fleener had 4 plays of 20+ yards...Allen had 3 plays of 20+ yards

Perception is that Fleener made a LOT more long catches then Allen. Reality is that they are pretty darn even in terms of long plays (excepting 2014) and overall average yards per catch.

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While I do hate Belicheat, I have no problem with his jab at Clappy McWoodchopper. Belicheat is just calling it like it is since all Clappy ever does when someone screws up is pat them on the back, give them a cookie, and send them back out there to just do it all over again.
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It'd be nice if this were bulletin board material for the next time we face those cheaters.
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