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From everything I have read Bell was great in the locker room and everyone loved him. Saying he was a great teammate. Fans seem to take this stuff personally, but players know it is for a short time and they have a right to get as much money as they can. He believes he was outplaying what they were giving him. If he was underperforming no one would have a problem cutting him I bet. |
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At the same time, if the Steelers overpay him at the expense paying other worthy guys, that hurts them long term. They have to watch out for their bottom line and try to remain competitive. |
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Is it the same as the player would get from unrestricted free agency? No, probably not, but it’s still a lot of guaranteed cash. Most importantly for fans like us, it gives us some degree of assurance that our favorite players will be sticking around for the long term. How comfortable would you be if Luck could just up and leave the Colts once his contract expired? Even the mere prospect of the franchise tag can bring everyone to the negotiating table and often a long term deal gets done in the shadow of this possibility. I think the system currently in place has worked out well for everyone, all things considered. As for Bell himself, I don’t like that he’s bashing his former team and celebrating their losses – it just doesn’t sound like he’d be a good influence. And on a more fundamental level, I’m concerned about paying so much for a 28-year old running back. As I mentioned in another post, his stats from last year are not as impressive as the Steelers’ current running back (James Conner), so is it the system or the player? Furthermore, RBs tend to peak in their mid-20s, so I don't like the risk that we would be buying into a guy on the downside of his career. |
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What other industry forces someone to work for their organization after a contract expires and to do it for multiple years? I feel the Steelers are violating the spirit of the tag. It isn’t meant to be used over and over again. If you can’t come to an agreement then let him go to a team that will. QB money and RB are not the same, I think they are an apples to oranges comparison. The Steelers can keep tagging him and work it in to the budget. Bell is a huge part of that offense generating a large amount of yards and points. Pay him or don’t pay him, that is their decision. But by slapping a one year deal on him every year they are costing him the security of a long term deal. If he gets hurt one of these seasons he won’t have a team the next year. Also, the franchise tag may not even equal what he could earn in free agency. I think the damage has already been done. As you said you don’t want to sign a 28 year old RB. They could have cost him the security of his second contract. That is a large chunk of change. And I don’t want to sign him either. |
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I think bell is dumb for holding out.
My main concerns for him are the amount of money he is asking for and his past drug issues. |
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It was reported today that he liked a tweet trolling the steelers for losing to the raiders on Sunday. I didn't see it so can't comment re how bad it was. But it was used to justify claims that he's turned his back on his tempamates. I just think he's too expensive and the money would be better used on defense and to get another top receiver. Quality running backs aren't tough to find and he will be n the downside of his career soon.
By the way it was reported today at The owners meeting that the cap will go up around 10 million next year. |
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As to your point that it was not intended to be used over multiple years, that is simply not correct. The NFL and the player's union anticipated this exact scenario, and agreed to allow the tag to be used repeatedly if a team desires to do so. The catch is that it will cost the team dearly to do so, because in the second tag year (like Bell this year), the team has to increase the player's salary by 20%. The third tag year is even more expensive, as the player gets another 44% salary bump. Kirk Cousins is a great illustration of this, and how a player with enough guts can use this situation to their advantage. In the first year he was tagged (2016), he received the normal initial tag price - the average of the top five salaries at his position (something like $20 million for QBs). He signed the tag and played out the season. In 2017, he made aggressive contract demands and the Redskins tagged him again, but by doing so under the above rules they were forced to increase his salary by 20% to $24 million . Again, he refused to accept a contract offer he felt was too low, signed the tag and played out the year. The third year (this last offseason), he maintained his aggressive demands and put the Redskins in the unenviable position of either tagging him a third time at the astronomical cost of a fully guaranteed $34 million (a 44% increase over the prior year), or to finally wave the white flag and let him become a free agent. He became a free agent. Bell was just one year from putting the Steelers in a similar financial predicament (though if my calculations are correct, Bell's tag price would have been $21 million this coming off season - still a massive guaranteed amount for a RB). Last edited by Chaka; 12-12-2018 at 02:55 AM. |
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Le'Veon Bell, 27 years old, 0 yards rushing / 0 yards receiving
Tevin Coleman, ATL, 26 years old, 559 yards rushing / 267 yards receiving Latavius Murray, MIN, 28 years old, 415 yards rushing / 135 yards receiving Alfred Blue, HOU, 28 years old, 367 yards rushing / 107 yards receiving Mike Davis, SEA, 26 years old, 418 yards rushing / 139 yards receiving T.J. Yeldon, JAX, 25 years old, 408 yards rushing / 482 yards receiving Spencer Ware, KC, 27 years old, 246 yards rushing / 224 yards receiving Jay Ajayi, PHI, 26 years old, 184 yards rushing / 20 yards receiving Ty Montgomery, 26 years old, 175 yards rushing / 226 yards receiving Other than Bell, there are no RBs hitting free agency that will be more than "one more body" in the Colts RB stable. Bell is the only guy whom would take over the room: 2017: 1,291 rushing / 4.0 ypc / 086.1 ypg / 655 receiving / 07.7 ypc / 43.7 ypg 2016: 1,268 rushing / 4.9 ypc / 105.7 ypg / 616 receiving / 08.2 ypc / 51.3 ypg 2015: 0,556 rushing / 4.9 ypc / 092.7 ypg / 136 receiving / 05.7 ypc / 22.7 ypg 2014: 1,361 rushing / 4.7 ypc / 092.7 ypg / 854 receiving / 10.3 ypc / 53.4 ypg 2013: 0,860 rushing / 3.5 ypc / 066.2 ypg / 399 receiving / 08.9 ypc / 30.7 ypg For Comparision: Mack: 2018: 0,616 rushing / 4.7 ypc / 068.4 ypg / 090 receiving / 07.5 ypc / 10.0 ypg Wilkins: 2018: 0,318 rushing / 5.6 ypc / 024.5 ypg / 074 receiving / 05.3 ypc / 05.7 ypg Hines: 2018: 0,289 rushing / 3.8 ypc / 022.2 ypg / 314 receiving / 06.0 ypc / 24.2 ypg Bell's numbers are not as impressive as I would have thought. If Mack averages his game average for the next 3 games, then he will end up with 821 yards rushing with Wilkins chipping in 392 yards for a total of 1,213 between the two. At a lot lower cost. Sure, having all that production rolled into one body is a HUGE advantage but is it worth the $14m per year in cap space that it would take to buy it? Now that I am looking at the numbers, I would: A. Not sign Bell to any contract for more than $13m a year (which means we will not sign him). B. Kick the tires on a different veteran free agent RB to see if something fits but not wedded to the idea that we need to sign someone. C. Draft another low round rookie to add to the RB stable. D. Spend that other $13m - $15m in cap space on a free agent defender. Walk Worthy,
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I was actually shocked when I looked at numbers the other day and saw Mack averaging 4.7 ypc. Man, that Jets-Bills-Raiders stretch did a number for him!
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