Official Ravens suck Game day thread

[Mr. Session]

Last year was the exception to the rule. Historically for the last decade +, this is how this organization starts the season.

I think it's kind of fucked up on a pretty meaningful level that the people that buy tickets are subjected to this shit. I feel like an ass for buying Sunday Ticket every year so I can watch these games but I'm thankful I'm not paying for tickets too.

[albany ed]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

Where’s KRAY with the optimism? We need some up in here.

This team is worse than I thought. Jones is Jones. He just sucks.

He's sucking 88 million out of this franchise. Sit Taylor for the rest of the game. No sense in risking an injury now.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

I’m not really interested in defending Ballard, eventually all GMs tenure comes to an end. But I thought I would throw in my thoughts on the matter.

QB health is not a unique problem to the Colts, a huge majority of the league has issues. The league keeps extending the season and they wonder why they have a QB health problem. Kind of how they change the practice times and put caps on them and wonder why they aren’t developing players as much as they did 20 years ago. But I do want a GM that emphasizes oline quality if I have a choice especially now.

I understand why they went with uncle Phil, I doubt AR could even see well. I will say uncle Phil damn almost beat the superbowl champs and played better than a lot of the other QBs I saw in the playoffs against them.

By the way, that was a beautiful block on Hamilton.

There are three opening day starters this year that were on their current roster when Luck retired. That is the issue with the QB argument for Ballard - pretending needing to find a QB is unique to Ballard. It’s not. He chose the build the team and rotate thru cast off method the team has used. Even if you Believe it was Irsay that forced them to start AR, Ballard chose the roster that didn’t provide him a mentor. Again matching his stated philosophy that his coaches are the mentors not veteran players. I wonder why the team always seems to have a culture issue?

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by Mr. Session

Last year was the exception to the rule. Historically for the last decade +, this is how this organization starts the season.

I think it's kind of fucked up on a pretty meaningful level that the people that buy tickets are subjected to this shit. I feel like an ass for buying Sunday Ticket every year so I can watch these games but I'm thankful I'm not paying for tickets too.

My season tickets will be canceled this year. I keep talking myself into keeping them even though I don’t believe in them. I’m over it

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by rm1369

And there it is, Ballard is a good GM. Just unlucky. Exactly why the team has been mediocre for a decade.

QB play is FAR from the only limiting factor in Ballard’s tenure. Doesn’t believe in the value of veteran leadership, his coaches will set the tone. Leaving gaping fucking holes in the roster to be filled later. Inability to draft, sign or develop players for a pass rush. Constantly putting measurables over playing ability. Gifting players positions they haven’t earned instead of creating true competition. Yes he’s loved by old school football guys because he still believes he’s GM of a team in the 70s or 80s. Grigson sucked at talent evaluation and he was an asshole but his philosophy was much better than Ballard’s. Ballard is a much better scout but he’s a bad GM.

And that doesn’t even get into the QB search has been conducted in Ballards method and philosophy. And then when Irsay forced the high pick by tanking with Saturday, Ballards veteran philosophy was on full display with AR. Rawest QB ever drafted that high and he was started with no true veteran mentor on the roster.

Yeah don’t put words in my mouth, I never said anything about luck.

The veteran leadership comment is dumb, sounds made up in your head. There is literally a leadership group on the team made up of veterans.

Every team has gaping holes in their team, the cap forces you to prioritize position groups. Teams fill groups with rookies and udfa all the time. You expect the colts to be the exception to the rule.

Every team places athletic measurables as a high priority. Everyone loves the Rudy story, reality is athletes dominate the league. Despite that Latu was not the most athletic choice but he was the most skilled.

The fact you dismiss the opinion of guys like Bill Polian tells me all I need to know. You should sit down and listen, you might learn something. The fact you dismiss their collective opinions because you don’t agree says a lot.

Ballards drafting has been fine and last I looked was above league average and has a high amount of guys retained in the league.

No Grigson’s, philosophy was not better. He thought he could build a oline on the cheap. You can’t do that today. He was so bad at it he had to spend a 1st on a center, the safest position to draft. Ballard just filled it with what? A third? And now he’s one of the better centers in the league.

AR started because Jim wanted him to start because ARs biggest weakness is game experience and starting right away worked for Manning and he is an advocate of it. The front office said he was raw almost every chance they got. And im not convinced sitting him would have developed him either. Guy was always a gamble, QBs have a low success rate, it’s not surprising he has developed, especially with his injuries.

[albany ed]

DONE SON. 0 and 1

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by rm1369

There are three opening day starters this year that were on their current roster when Luck retired. That is the issue with the QB argument for Ballard - pretending needing to find a QB is unique to Ballard. It’s not. He chose the build the team and rotate thru cast off method the team has used. Even if you Believe it was Irsay that forced them to start AR, Ballard chose the roster that didn’t provide him a mentor. Again matching his stated philosophy that his coaches are the mentors not veteran players. I wonder why the team always seems to have a culture issue?

I never said finding a QB is unique to Ballard. I said more than half the league is usually looking for one. Only like a third has the position settled. The rest are trying out a young kid or they are forced to play a vet.

A mentor isn’t going to fix AR. And not every QB wants to be a mentor, you have to find a guy willing to do it. Ballard sits down with the coaches to decide the roster, it’s a group decision. GM’s don’t set the depth chart, that’s a coaches job. Your football knowledge is surface level.

[sherck]

It's going to be a long season, freaks.

[Spike]

Another shit show from our Colts. Something needs to change on this damn team. One thing I know for sure is that Ballard needs to go. Same old bullshit.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

Yeah don’t put words in my mouth, I never said anything about luck.

The veteran leadership comment is dumb, sounds made up in your head. There is literally a leadership group on the team made up of veterans.

Every team has gaping holes in their team, the cap forces you to prioritize position groups. Teams fill groups with rookies and udfa all the time. You expect the colts to be done exceptionally well to the rule.

Every team places athletic measurables as a high priority. Everyone loves the Rudy story, reality is athletes dominate the league. Despite that Latu was not the most athletic choice but he was the most skilled.

The fact you dismiss the opinion of guys like Bill Polian tells me all I need to know. You should sit down and listen, you might learn something. The fact you dismiss their collective opinions because you don’t agree says a lot.

Ballards drafting has been fine and last I looked was above league average and has a high amount of guys retained in the league.

No Grigson’s, philosophy was not better. He thought he could build a oline on the cheap. You can’t do that today. He was so bad at it he had to spend a 1st on a center, the safest position to draft. Ballard just filled it with what? A third? And now he’s one of the better centers in the league.

AR started because Jim wanted him to start because ARs biggest weakness is game experience and starting right away worked for Manning and he is an advocate of it. The front office said he was raw almost every chance they got. And im not convinced sitting him would have developed him either. Guy was always a gamble, QBs have a low success rate, it’s not surprising he has developed, especially with his injuries.

Yes Polian’s opinion matters more than Ballards actual results. He’s a good GM who has one playoff win and no division titles in a decade - in arguably the worst division in the league. His teams are consistently less than the supposed sum of their parts. There are many teams that have bottomed out and had more success, but hey Polian likes him. How many wins is that worth? Should we hang a banner?

The philosophy was stated when he cut vets his second year like Hankins. And it’s been shown many, many times. Remember the secondaries that were a collection of nothing but young cast offs? Same at WR. Remember the DE room when he drafted Paye and Dayo? It’s happened so many times I’m not sure how you can even argue it.

I guess I’ll wait for the “Polian likes him” wins to start piling in. Because that trumps the actual on the field results. Never mind all the other GMs that have shown actual results in the league, Ballard is liked.