Quick Thoughts - Week 2 Broncos

[Oldcolt]

To me, the most important thing by far is cementing a culture of winning here. I am still holding our hope for AR and sitting and learning in a winning culture would do wonders for his development. Have no idea what's going on behind the scenes but I'm hoping it's learning. It is so much more enjoyable to watch a team that isn't dogshit. Warren transforms this offense, along with JT developing into a well rounded stud back. The offensive line is amazing. If this keeps up we are going to be stuck with Ballard for a long time.

[Pez]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

Jones is balling right now because he has a bona fide top 10 offense in terms of talent. Maybe top 5. Adding Warren has really opened things up for the offense.

Now, it remains to be seen how long, or if, Jones can keep this up but as long as he does, this offense will be fun to watch.

We 100% lucked into Warren. He is lights out great. He had a catch and run near the left sideline where it seems like He effortlessly made two people miss.

Great release off the block, DJ with a touch pass and warren embarrasses two guys. Link below should show the play on the youtubes.

https://youtu.be/jg7x-tlBJrs?t=492

[nate505]

I'm hearing it at work today about the penalty at the end.

Truth be told, if it happened to the Colts I'd be pissed. It feels like such a ticky tack call on a last minute play, and in general I don't like that.

That being said, it was the right call, even if the leverage rule sucks (and to be perfectly honest, I don't know if the rule itself sucks and how much gain a player would get if the rule wasn't there), it was a clear, clear, clear violation.

So this is what I get to do/say all day, Definitely worth it

[Butter]

Originally Posted by sherck

However, the offense? I am not ready to give Danny Dimes a contract extension yet but a second good game in our offense was refreshing! Spreading the ball, hitting folks in stride, not throwing up hero balls for whoever to catch! He has been very, very good and the offense has responded. it is fun watching these guys and it has been a while since I could say that.

Speaking of contract extension, if he is playing like this good closer to mid-season I would like to see them try to get a bargain 2-3 year extension.

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

To me, the most important thing by far is cementing a culture of winning here. I am still holding our hope for AR and sitting and learning in a winning culture would do wonders for his development. Have no idea what's going on behind the scenes but I'm hoping it's learning. It is so much more enjoyable to watch a team that isn't dogshit. Warren transforms this offense, along with JT developing into a well rounded stud back. The offensive line is amazing. If this keeps up we are going to be stuck with Ballard for a long time.

Alec Pierce led the league in yards per catch last season and he’s the 5th option in this offense behind JT, Pittman, Warren, and Downs. It’s crazy.

That’s why I’m not buying in on Jones just yet. His job has been pretty easy thus far. Let’s wait til, God forbid, we have some injuries or we play a really good defense on the road.

[HoosierinFL]

I don't especially want to defend Steichen's playcalling on the final drive, I was definitely complaining as it unfolded live.

But on further reflection, as I noticed they were loading the box and were prepared to sell out on a pass rush, I realized that the risk of taking a sack by throwing the ball was non-zero. The cost of taking a sack is much greater than the 1-2 yard loss we got just running JT up the middle.

[sherck]

Originally Posted by HoosierinFL

I don't especially want to defend Steichen's playcalling on the final drive, I was definitely complaining as it unfolded live.

But on further reflection, as I noticed they were loading the box and were prepared to sell out on a pass rush, I realized that the risk of taking a sack by throwing the ball was non-zero. The cost of taking a sack is much greater than the 1-2 yard loss we got just running JT up the middle.

But, my guess is that every NFL team in the league spends quality minutes / hours in Training Camp running a hot pass scenario where when the box is loaded you check to a quick hitting pass play that has the ball out of the QBs hands in less than 2 seconds. My guess is that Danny Dimes has practiced that exact same scenario many times where you either hit your first read, second read or throw the ball away in 2 seconds or less.

I don't buy the fear of taking a sack.

[albany ed]

Originally Posted by sherck

But, my guess is that every NFL team in the league spends quality minutes / hours in Training Camp running a hot pass scenario where when the box is loaded you check to a quick hitting pass play that has the ball out of the QBs hands in less than 2 seconds. My guess is that Danny Dimes has practiced that exact same scenario many times where you either hit your first read, second read or throw the ball away in 2 seconds or less.

I don't buy the fear of taking a sack.

How about the fear of a holding call by the OL?

[sherck]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

To me, the most important thing by far is cementing a culture of winning here. I am still holding our hope for AR and sitting and learning in a winning culture would do wonders for his development. Have no idea what's going on behind the scenes but I'm hoping it's learning. It is so much more enjoyable to watch a team that isn't dogshit. Warren transforms this offense, along with JT developing into a well rounded stud back. The offensive line is amazing. If this keeps up we are going to be stuck with Ballard for a long time.

Why?

I mean, sure, AR was a top five pick two years ago.....but Danny Dimes was a #6 pick in 2019.

NFL.com had the following pre-draft profiles of the two. DJ is first, AR is second.

Production Score................74.................69
Athletic Score.....................75................95
Total Score.........................77................80
QB Prospect in Class............2nd..............4th
Prospect Grade...................6.30.............6.40

Now, I totally get that AR has the athletic edge and there are no arguments from me that he is physically gifted.

But we also know that QBs typically take a couple of years to develop in the NFL. Very, very few QBs are at their best in their first couple of years in the NFL.

We are getting one QB who has navigated that period in their career and one who is stalled because of lack of playing time from injury and competition.

Do you think AR has that much higher of a potential ceiling than DJ? And if so, do you think he has the mental abilities to get there?

[sherck]

Originally Posted by albany ed

How about the fear of a holding call by the OL?

That one is a good point....but we get called for holding on run plays as well.