Jaff's stupid shit

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Originally Posted by bigalbert

Very easy to find. Most people “thought” they didn’t get a tax cut. Lol. Middle income with a big win



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Sorry, I don't see how this graphic supports your claim.

Half of the data is just poll results - whether these Americans in the survey thought they got a tax cut.

The other half of the data just indicates whether those polled actually got a tax cut or not (and if you look at the note at the bottom of the graphic, the tax cut could be as low as $10).


Don't see any data that suggests this is a "big win" or that this particular tax cut benefitted the middle class moreso than previous tax cuts - unless you think $10 makes a big difference.

Still waiting for that news article.

[JAFF]

A series of crimes": Ex-prosecutor says new Trump election texts "more damning" than Georgia call

https://www.salon.com/2023/04/24/a-s...-georgia-call/



Two men hired by former President Donald Trump's legal team discussed a plot to use data obtained from a breached Georgia voting machine as part of an attempt to decertify the state's 2021 U.S. Senate run-off election, according to CNN.

Jim Penrose, a former National Security Agency official who worked alongside Trump attorney Sidney Powell to access voting machines in Coffee County, Georgia, communicated with Doug Logan, CEO of a firm that allegedly runs audits of voting systems.

"Here's the plan. Let's keep this close hold," Penrose wrote. "We only have until Saturday to decide if we are going to use this report to try to decertify the Senate run-off election or if we hold it for a bigger moment," Penrose added, referring to a potential lawsuit related to the impending confirmation of Democrat Jon Ossoff's triumph in the runoff.

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CNN reported that the texts reveal the first instance in which Trump sympathizers contemplated using the data to overturn elections beyond the 2020 presidential race.

Georgia District Attorney Fani Willis is leading a criminal investigation into the scheme to breach voting systems. Willis has subpoenaed several individuals in connection to the probe, including Powell and former Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani. She has also subpoenaed both Penrose and Logan over their involvement in the Georgia runoff breach. CNN also reported that Willis' office is considering a potential racketeering case against multiple defendants.

Former prosecutor Michael Zeldin told CNN that the report suggests violations of multiple state and federal laws.

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"What we have here is unauthorized access to this privileged computer data," Zeldin said. "There is a conspiracy to acquire and improperly distribute that data. There is probably a crime of interfering with the rights of the people of Georgia to have a free and fair election. And this is a series of crimes, a pattern of criminal activity, then it could possibly violate the Georgia RICO statute, which criminalizes a series of criminal activities by the same person or group of persons, so there's a lot at stake here."

Zeldin also said that the texts between Penrose and Logan are "more damning" than Trump's phone call to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, in which Trump suggested that Raffensperger could "find" the 11,780 votes needed to flip the state election in his favor.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy

Sorry, I don't see how this graphic supports your claim.

Half of the data is just poll results - whether these Americans in the survey thought they got a tax cut.

The other half of the data just indicates whether those polled actually got a tax cut or not (and if you look at the note at the bottom of the graphic, the tax cut could be as low as $10).


Don't see any data that suggests this is a "big win" or that this particular tax cut benefitted the middle class moreso than previous tax cuts - unless you think $10 makes a big difference.

Still waiting for that news article.

you won't find it because it doesn't exist.

[bigalbert]

Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy

Sorry, I don't see how this graphic supports your claim.

Half of the data is just poll results - whether these Americans in the survey thought they got a tax cut.

The other half of the data just indicates whether those polled actually got a tax cut or not (and if you look at the note at the bottom of the graphic, the tax cut could be as low as $10).


Don't see any data that suggests this is a "big win" or that this particular tax cut benefitted the middle class moreso than previous tax cuts - unless you think $10 makes a big difference.

Still waiting for that news article.

The Times took their article down I guess because it credited Trump to much. Here a summation right from IRS data by The Hill






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[bigalbert]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

you won't find it because it doesn't exist.

The proof you’re gonna hate has been posted. By the way I saved 3700$ a year under the Trump cuts.


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[bigalbert]

https://heartland.org/wp-content/upl...cy%20Paper.pdf

Straight from the IRS


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[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Originally Posted by bigalbert

The Times took their article down I guess because it credited Trump to much. Here a summation right from IRS data by The Hill

Strike 2!!!

You still have not been able to support your claim.


Again, you stated the following:

Trump tax cuts benefited the middle class more than any other cut in history.

Nothing that you have provided thus far has proven that statement as a fact.

At this point, I think you made it up.


I am not disputing that the Trump tax cut provided reductions across many different income levels.

What I am disputing is that this was the biggest middle class tax cut in history - which you presented as a "fact."

Also - the Hill opinion piece (it was an opinion piece, not a news story) that you provided is a bit dated and some of the author's conclusions didn't hold up in Year 2 of the tax cuts.

[bigalbert]

Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy

Strike 2!!!

You still have not been able to support your claim.


Again, you stated the following:




Nothing that you have provided thus far has proven that statement as a fact.

At this point, I think you made it up.


I am not disputing that the Trump tax cut provided reductions across many different income levels.

What I am disputing is that this was the biggest middle class tax cut in history - which you presented as a "fact."

Also - the Hill opinion piece (it was an opinion piece, not a news story) that you provided is a bit dated and some of the author's conclusions didn't hold up in Year 2 of the tax cuts.

It was in the article but has been taken down. I personally have never had my tax liability lowered by more dollars than the Trump tax legislation. I’ve been paying taxes for 40+ years. Where you might be correct is if they adjusted for inflation. I guess I was talking in terms of straight dollars. I believe the top 20% pay 95% of the taxes in this country. I don’t even know wether I’m in that or not but I pay right close to 6 figures and I never complain about a tax cut. I can now only present my case from my personal experience. So you’re right, I can’t prove it for everyone. That Times article also said that close to 90% of Americans benefited in one way or another from the tax cuts. That’s all I got


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[JAFF]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/...ip-orig-jc.cnn

[JAFF]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/0...contd-vpx.kitv

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