So....thoughts of trading up for the #1 pick?

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Spike

65-7 !!! Damn.

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In a sense, boxing is more humane than football because the referee can stop the fight.

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[apballin]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

I think it's pretty clear what the answer to this is.

Yea after tonight it definitely made Strouds performance more impressive

[Coltsalr]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

I like Bryce Young, but if he's 6'0" then Andrew Luck was 7'0". I watched Young's bowl game, saw him next to a WR who was listed on Alabama's athletics website as 6'0", and Young was noticeably shorter. If he measures well at the combine, I'd have him basically even with Stroud, but I need to see that he's not 5'7" 180 first.

If he could have a Russell Wilson like career, I’d certainly take it.

Stroud’s lack of ability to be mobile/stand under pressure/deal with less than ideal weapons scares me.

[albany ed]

There are no QBs in this years' draft that have the pedigree of a Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck or Trevor Lawrence. You could trade up, pick one and it's the other possible #1 that has a great career. Trade up if you're certain, stay where you are if you're not. I don't know what Ballard is thinking, but if I were the one making the decision, I'd stay at #4 and see what happens.

[MeSayDayo]

I tend to agree. What we can trust is that Ballard is going to do everything within his power and his scouting teams power to get this one right. Literally leave no rock unturned on any 3 of the QBs at the top.
This is why I doubt we see any sort of trade until after the combine and pro-days. No doubt, a lot of the overall evaluation of each player will come down to their interviews, wonderlic, private workouts and pro day showings.
There is going to be some differences....Young could have the fastest 40, but Levis may test off the charts in measurables and interview.
After this process and only after will we know how Ballard feels about the pick by his action or inaction. If he trades for #1 then he obviously loves one guy over the others. If he makes a smaller trade up to #3, I would imagine that he likes two of the three guys at the top. If he stands pat, I think he grades them about equally and will take whoever is left (or even trade that pick for a boatload, double down on next year and get someone like AR15 or Hooker, Bennett, etc)
I think a small trade up to 3 makes the most sense and protects us from losing out on all 3 guys if other teams feel inclined to trade into the top 3.
We just have to trust that our scouting team is good at what they do. If they make a trade for the #1 pick it will cost a ton (hoping it wont be all picks and includes a player or two of ours), but it also means that we feel very strongly about the player we take and he jumps out on film, Aced all the aforementioned testing.

[ChoppedWood]

Interesting discussion on 1st Take.

Apparently Chicago has interest in Young (why you would just come off a season where your arrow seems to be pointing up behind the greatest running performance ever by a big fast powerful QB who has a cannon but nothing to really work with in the WR department and look to transform behind an undersized guy in the pocket...?). So the discussion was staying at 1 and taking Young, but getting Colts # 4 and some other parts - probably Buckner and something else + additional draft picks for Fields.

It's interesting for discussion. I am convinced that our OL is so damn bad that at least for the next couple years we're going to have to have a QB that can utilize his legs to give us any chance at being competitive (and I still expect us to suck). But, let's say we get Fields, what does he get us to, maybe 8-9, 9-8 and a possible one and done, maybe get lucky and steal a PO game in the next 3 years? Is that worth it, will he be dead on his feet 3 years from now and we'll need a new guy already anyway just when our other younger guys are starting to peak?

I like Fields, I think with a good team around him, he can be at the low end of the Josh Allen register- but I think he needs a lot of good players around him and if he has another terrible OL like he has had in Chicago (which we are), he'll eventually be wasted potential.

[albany ed]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

Interesting discussion on 1st Take.

Apparently Chicago has interest in Young (why you would just come off a season where your arrow seems to be pointing up behind the greatest running performance ever by a big fast powerful QB who has a cannon but nothing to really work with in the WR department and look to transform behind an undersized guy in the pocket...?). So the discussion was staying at 1 and taking Young, but getting Colts # 4 and some other parts - probably Buckner and something else + additional draft picks for Fields.

It's interesting for discussion. I am convinced that our OL is so damn bad that at least for the next couple years we're going to have to have a QB that can utilize his legs to give us any chance at being competitive (and I still expect us to suck). But, let's say we get Fields, what does he get us to, maybe 8-9, 9-8 and a possible one and done, maybe get lucky and steal a PO game in the next 3 years? Is that worth it, will he be dead on his feet 3 years from now and we'll need a new guy already anyway just when our other younger guys are starting to peak?

I like Fields, I think with a good team around him, he can be at the low end of the Josh Allen register- but I think he needs a lot of good players around him and if he has another terrible OL like he has had in Chicago (which we are), he'll eventually be wasted potential.

There is no way I see the Colts making that trade. Fields completion percentage was near the bottom, only Zach Wilson was lower. His QB rating was 25th in the league. Also, Buckner is one of the best at his position. Sure Fields can run, but running QBs have a short life span.

[Spike]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

Interesting discussion on 1st Take.

Apparently Chicago has interest in Young (why you would just come off a season where your arrow seems to be pointing up behind the greatest running performance ever by a big fast powerful QB who has a cannon but nothing to really work with in the WR department and look to transform behind an undersized guy in the pocket...?). So the discussion was staying at 1 and taking Young, but getting Colts # 4 and some other parts - probably Buckner and something else + additional draft picks for Fields.

It's interesting for discussion. I am convinced that our OL is so damn bad that at least for the next couple years we're going to have to have a QB that can utilize his legs to give us any chance at being competitive (and I still expect us to suck). But, let's say we get Fields, what does he get us to, maybe 8-9, 9-8 and a possible one and done, maybe get lucky and steal a PO game in the next 3 years? Is that worth it, will he be dead on his feet 3 years from now and we'll need a new guy already anyway just when our other younger guys are starting to peak?

I like Fields, I think with a good team around him, he can be at the low end of the Josh Allen register- but I think he needs a lot of good players around him and if he has another terrible OL like he has had in Chicago (which we are), he'll eventually be wasted potential.

If I were the Bears organization, I would be saying the same thing whether I wanted Young or not for obvious reasons.

[Oldcolt]

Fields isn't worth the #4 pick. To move up to #1 will take two ones and probably two twos. It is a crap shoot anyway so I am definitely against it. Colts will give Derek Carr a long look, he is an above average QB which would be a huge upgrade from what we have been dealing with. Nothing excites me.

[Spike]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

Fields isn't worth the #4 pick. To move up to #1 will take two ones and probably two twos. It is a crap shoot anyway so I am definitely against it. Colts will give Derek Carr a long look, he is an above average QB which would be a huge upgrade from what we have been dealing with. Nothing excites me.

Hell no on Derek Carr, just hell no. I would rather take a chance on Young, Stroud or Levis. Hopefully the Colts have learned their lesson on taking other team's QB rejects.