Frank Reich Still the Problem?

[Spike]

Originally Posted by HoosierinFL

This offense is clearly flawed and its pretty hard for us to know exactly why.

Is it Reich's system and scheme that of course we still have to rely on?

Was it bad coaching from Reich/Brady to teach this system to the offensive unit?

Is it bad coaching of the offensive line?

Or is it some combo of regression of veteran o-line players and poor choices for replacements at RG and LT?

I don't see the all 22, so is it poor play from the receivers not getting open?

Is it bad coaching of the receivers?

Is it bad quarterback play?

Is it more likely some combination of any/all of the above?

Bad o-line and we are in QB hell, that's the main issues. Ryan's arm looks shot to me.

[YDFL Commish]

We lose by 1 point to what may be the best team in the NFL and the sky is falling.

You can't expect Saturday to fix everything in 10 days, that's just not realistic.

There are 2 things that really puzzle me though. I don't understand how the best O-Line lineup is not Braden Smith at RG and Dennis Kelly at RT.

Why is Nick Foles on this team as a 3rd string QB?

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

We lose by 1 point to what may be the best team in the NFL and the sky is falling.

You can't expect Saturday to fix everything in 10 days, that's just not realistic.

There are 2 things that really puzzle me though. I don't understand how the best O-Line lineup is not Braden Smith at RG and Dennis Kelly at RT.

Why is Nick Foles on this team as a 3rd string QB ???

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Last week we barely beat one of the worst teams in the NFL, and everybody was dancing on the proverbial graves of all of those who had slammed Irsay for hiring a head coach who had a grand total of 3 years of coaching high school football.

This week we barely lost to one of the best teams in the NFL, and those worthless Colts always find a way to break our hearts, they are a seriously flawed and incomplete team, and they can't fool us with a gimmick hire of a head coach with virtually no experience for the job.


In game threads, I expect those kind hyperbolic, reactionary outbursts ...... on the main board, I expect more objective and rational posts and threads.

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[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

We lose by 1 point to what may be the best team in the NFL and the sky is falling.

You can't expect Saturday to fix everything in 10 days, that's just not realistic.

I started this thread as an obvious troll because last week was the equal and opposite sentiment. Guys acted like the Wicked Witch was dead and we found the way. I said in one of the threads last week right after the game that we looked largely unchanged despite the win.

That was in response to all of the chatter about how "we clearly would've lost to the Raiders if Frank Reich was coaching this team" or "Saturday lit a fire under this team and you can tell they just want it more" and stuff like that. Guys wanted their pound of flesh, got it, and were eager to feel vindicated.

Yes, under Saturday and our newfound motivation we lost to probably the best NFC team in PHI by 1 point. Largely due to our D being outstanding and carrying an underperforming O which could not cash in on that final goal line drive.

But we also beat probably the best AFC team in KC by 3 points. And it was the same story. D played fantastic and carried an underperforming O, but the O happened to cash in that final drive this time. That was pretty damn similar and it was obviously under Reich.

Which is the point. I lean towards the thinking that firing Reich will go down as a rash and unwarranted move that we might easily end up regretting.

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by Spike

Bad o-line and we are in QB hell, that's the main issues. Ryan's arm looks shot to me.

When he can set his feet and throw, he is pretty good. Same for just about any QB, unless they have a canon for an arm. The O line is not giving any of the Qbs time. Ryan has the experience to read a D, and adjust. But if he cant step into a throw, it looks bad.

Not making excuses, did anyone believe, post covid, the line would be this fouled up? This group is struggling to play better than the Grigson O lines. I never thought I would type that

[Pez]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

I started this thread as an obvious troll because last week was the equal and opposite sentiment. Guys acted like the Wicked Witch was dead and we found the way. I said in one of the threads last week right after the game that we looked largely unchanged despite the win.

That was in response to all of the chatter about how "we clearly would've lost to the Raiders if Frank Reich was coaching this team" or "Saturday lit a fire under this team and you can tell they just want it more" and stuff like that. Guys wanted their pound of flesh, got it, and were eager to feel vindicated.

Yes, under Saturday and our newfound motivation we lost to probably the best NFC team in PHI by 1 point. Largely due to our D being outstanding and carrying an underperforming O which could not cash in on that final goal line drive.

But we also beat probably the best AFC team in KC by 3 points. And it was the same story. D played fantastic and carried an underperforming O, but the O happened to cash in that final drive this time. That was pretty damn similar and it was obviously under Reich.

Which is the point. I lean towards the thinking that firing Reich will go down as a rash and unwarranted move that we might easily end up regretting.

Well, since you admitted starting the thread as a troll, I can assure that that Frankl Reich is not still the problem. Considering we fired him and all.

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by Pez

Well, since you admitted starting the thread as a troll, I can assure that that Frankl Reich is not still the problem. Considering we fired him and all.

Well, we are still using his playbook, and we still have a little of the stench of mediocrity that he brought to the team. Other than that, he is not a problem any longer.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

Well, we are still using his playbook, and we still have a little of the stench of mediocrity that he brought to the team. Other than that, he is not a problem any longer.

So is it Reich’s fault he never had the same starting QB in consecutive seasons? Is Reich responsible for the mismanagement at LT since AC first discussed retirement? Is he the one that has spent countless draft picks for measurables at DE with a consistently mediocre (at best) pass rush to show for it?

That’s the three most important positions to winning. And let’s not forget the cluster fuck WR has been until this season. It isn’t Reich who brought mediocrity to the Colts.

Raimann is getting his snaps though, another season written off to player development. I wonder how many more the team needs? Ballard is fucking Teflon. As long as he keeps you guys believing the dynasty is coming EVENTUALLY, he’s golden.

[MeSayDayo]

Well what would you do if you were a GM making millions in the NFL working for a team in QB purgatory?

Take a stupid swing at a QB that isn't worth it and you're gone in 3 years instead of the six that Ballard has managed to pull off. He knew that the second Luck retired and found ways to prove his value just enough while treading water.

What really fucked everything up was Q, Leonard, Smith, Taylor, and Pittman ALL playing above where they were drafted (And that's saying a lot for Q who was #6 overall for a G). Paying Smith was justified at the time, and the same goes for Leonard and Nelson. He absolutely had to pay them, and they earned it.
How could anyone have forecasted the obscene regression from almost everyone on O? None of us did, nobody in the media did, and I don't think the coaches did either. If the line was that bad wouldn't we have heard more chatter in the preseason? I would like to believe that Ballard or Grigson or my 6 year old daughter would have made a move before the season if they foresaw the line being this big of a dumpster fire.
Hell we could have traded Leonard for a LT straight up before the season started.
Now we are saddled with Shaq's payday and mental health tweets for the next full season before it actually becomes feasible to dump him. Don't get me wrong- he has been an unbelievably productive player for us...but something never sat right with me having our 225 pound linebacker making 130 tackles a season. At some point, that Hyundai was gonna break down.

As for the other guys- I think we will get Smith and Q on track and they will stick around. Kelly has pretty well played himself off the team- and it sucks because of the shit he has had to endure- but I have full confidence that a change of scenery will actually do wonders for him and his wife, and he could have a nice ending to his career with another team. Total trade candidate there for us.

Hines? Yah we kinda fucked that one up too- Not worth the contract, incredibly replaceable player...glad we got something for him and someone that would take his shitty contract.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by MeSayDayo

Well what would you do if you were a GM making millions in the NFL working for a team in QB purgatory?

What would I do? Fully support the short term QB I did choose and accept that’s going to lead to more ups and downs. I wouldn’t continue writing off seasons to development year after year. And yes that is exactly what they have done. Clearest examples were DE last year and LT this year. WR in Rivers year as well.

Regardless you can’t claim Reich led the team to mediocrity and then “explain away” the roster issues as too tough for Ballard to have addressed. Those roster issues directly affect the product on the field. Giving Ballard a pass while expecting Reich to coach around QB, DE, LT, and WR issues is simply asinine.