It's Done! Frank is gone!

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Dewey 5

https://deadspin.com/chris-ballard-r...1849759846/amp

Couple of inaccuracies in the article but definitely agree with the overall statement.

[Oldcolt]

I think that all these writers are full of shit. I love the fact that they think that Irsay has lost his mind with Saturday. They all loved Reich/Ballard when that was initially happening, now not so much. Nobody, I mean nobody, has the faintest idea of how Saturday will do, if you are betting you would bet he would fail because almost all coaches fail. Rare one that is a winner, it is a crap shoot. I am starting to enjoy this, us against the NFL world. Much better than spinning our collective wheels in mediocrity.

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

I think that all these writers are full of shit. I love the fact that they think that Irsay has lost his mind with Saturday. They all loved Reich/Ballard when that was initially happening, now not so much. Nobody, I mean nobody, has the faintest idea of how Saturday will do, if you are betting you would bet he would fail because almost all coaches fail. Rare one that is a winner, it is a crap shoot. I am starting to enjoy this, us against the NFL world. Much better than spinning our collective wheels in mediocrity.

Almost all coaches fail, thats true. But they all also have the advantage of actually coaching in the nfl previously. Not to mention the fact that he’s being thrown into the mix halfway through the season.

There’s no realistic way he’s going to succeed in my opinion. I think it’s gonna be embarrassing, actually.

I hope I’m wrong but I doubt it.

As for Irsay, he’s firmly on the road to being Al Davis, who was the laughingstock of the league.

Nothing about this is good for the Colts or their fans.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

Three words that prove this statement wrong: Matt Fucking Pryor.

You mean that short term answer he used while drafting a tackle intended to be the long term answer?

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

Ellis Johnson was actually pretty good: 10 years in the league, 51 sacks and 41 TFL. Not HOF, but pretty good for a DT.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...J/JohnEl20.htm

Tobin was only here for 4 years and yeah he didn't get a lot from the later rounds. But for the most part he hit it out of the park w/ his 1st and 2nd rounders and left a pretty good foundation for when BP took over and added Peyton.

Ellis had some moments, but I remember him disappearing for long stretches as well. For a first rounder not as consistent as you would want. Dilger was the best pick of that draft. Tarik and Marvin were his best. Too bad he stunk in other areas. Polian was better at filling out the roster.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

You mean that short term answer he used while drafting a tackle intended to be the long term answer?

I mean thinking he could get by with a complete garbage player who shouldn't even be in the league at the most important position on the OL. Clearly shows he either doesn't prioritize the OL, or he doesn't really value the LT position for some reason.

And actually if you look at the overall lack of investment he's put into bringing in new OL since the '18 draft he's clearly de-prioritized the group.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

Ellis had some moments, but I remember him disappearing for long stretches as well. For a first rounder not as consistent as you would want. Dilger was the best pick of that draft. Tarik and Marvin were his best. Too bad he stunk in other areas. Polian was better at filling out the roster.

No doubt BP was head and shoulders better than Tobin, and that's fair on Ellis. You just had him lumped in w/ Trev Alberts so wanted to show that he was at least decent and not pretty much a waste of a pick like Alberts ended up being.

Agree on Glenn and Marvin, although I'd lump Marshall Faulk in there as well. Not Tobin's fault that BP decided to trade Faulk and got minimal return for him.

Anyway, if you draft 2 HOFers, a multi-time pro bowler and ROH member, and several other long lasting productive players in just 4 years then you're doing pretty well at that part of the job IMHO.

[Oldcolt]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

Almost all coaches fail, thats true. But they all also have the advantage of actually coaching in the nfl previously. Not to mention the fact that he’s being thrown into the mix halfway through the season.

There’s no realistic way he’s going to succeed in my opinion. I think it’s gonna be embarrassing, actually.

I hope I’m wrong but I doubt it.

As for Irsay, he’s firmly on the road to being Al Davis, who was the laughingstock of the league.

Nothing about this is good for the Colts or their fans.

I happen to agree about this not being good news. You talk as if there was a ‘good news’ choice. Plus 95% of ‘good news’ choices don’t work out anyway, so if this doesn’t I don’t see how that is so much different. You don’t think it can realistically work out? Not trying to be an asshole but who cares? You know as much about the future as me, meaning nothing. Of course it probably won’t work out, Parcells didn’t do shit for the Jets and I bet you and everyone else thought that was a slam dunk winner. All I am saying is nobody knows, me you sports writers or GM types. Let’s see how it plays out. Irsay has found his team mired in a shit show, climbing out won’t be easy and won’t look pretty. At least it is interesting, something poor Frank no longer was.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

You mean that short term answer he used while drafting a tackle intended to be the long term answer?

Yes, the bargain basement Guard that had just a couple starts at LT he trusted to protect his 37 yr old immobile QB while the 3rd round rookie who has been playing LT for all of two years gets up to speed to take over protecting the 37 yr old QB. Come on man, are you seriously suggesting this was a logical move? Or one that prioritizes line play?

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

I happen to agree about this not being good news. You talk as if there was a ‘good news’ choice. Plus 95% of ‘good news’ choices don’t work out anyway, so if this doesn’t I don’t see how that is so much different. You don’t think it can realistically work out? Not trying to be an asshole but who cares? You know as much about the future as me, meaning nothing. Of course it probably won’t work out, Parcells didn’t do shit for the Jets and I bet you and everyone else thought that was a slam dunk winner. All I am saying is nobody knows, me you sports writers or GM types. Let’s see how it plays out. Irsay has found his team mired in a shit show, climbing out won’t be easy and won’t look pretty. At least it is interesting, something poor Frank no longer was.

The logical choice was to finish the season with Frank and go from there, which Jim basically said would have happened if Saturday said no.

And of course no one knows with 100 percent certainty what will happen, but if Jeff Saturday ends up being successful, whether it’s this season or in the future, he’ll be one of the greatest coaches of all time.

He’s in an impossible situation with a deeply flawed team facing a tough schedule and he’s never done any of this before.