2017 Draft Thread

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by natagu23

We know that there is a guy that plays like Jeff Saturday right now.

You're just hoping that there is a guy that will play like Robert Mathis at 1.15. Im sorry, there is no one that looks remotely close to mathis at 15.

What if Ballard thinks there is? It's a simple floor/ceiling argument. Frankly, a Saturday stabilizes the OL, but doesn't really move the needle on proximity to a title. After all those years with PM, I don't care about AFC South banners. Swing for the fences and assemble a champion.

[natagu23]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

What if Ballard thinks there is? It's a simple floor/ceiling argument. Frankly, a Saturday stabilizes the OL, but doesn't really move the needle on proximity to a title. After all those years with PM, I don't care about AFC South banners. Swing for the fences and assemble a champion.

I'll give you that its virtually impossible to know if guys like Harris, Taco Charlton, Carl Lawson, Tim Williams or Takk could develop into solid pass rushers.

The point that im trying to make is that all those guys are late 1st to 2nd round picks. We're talking about a huge reach to grab one of those guys.

Again, we don't know where Ballard and his team has those guys....true. But there seems to be a consensus that after Solomon Thomas and Garrett the pass-rushing talent falls off a f**king cliff where Derek Barnett is somewhere in-between the cream of the crop and the 2nd tier.

The only defensive non-cornerback I would be ok drafting at 1.15 is Riddick and Foster. Foster is very concerning now because we all know the league hands out drug related suspensions like candy.

I've narrowed it down to...

1. Riddick
2. Foster
3. Ryan Ramczyk/Lamp
4. Marlon Humphrey
5. Conley

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by natagu23

I'll give you that its virtually impossible to know if guys like Harris, Taco Charlton, Carl Lawson, Tim Williams or Takk could develop into solid pass rushers.

The point that im trying to make is that all those guys are late 1st to 2nd round picks. We're talking about a huge reach to grab one of those guys.

Again, we don't know where Ballard and his team has those guys....true. But there seems to be a consensus that after Solomon Thomas and Garrett the pass-rushing talent falls off a f**king cliff where Derek Barnett is somewhere in-between the cream of the crop and the 2nd tier.

The only defensive non-cornerback I would be ok drafting at 1.15 is Riddick and Foster. Foster is very concerning now because we all know the league hands out drug related suspensions like candy.

I've narrowed it down to...

1. Riddick
2. Foster
3. Ryan Ramczyk/Lamp
4. Marlon Humphrey
5. Conley

Do you really think Ram/Lamp are better than late 1st/early 2nd grades on those EDGE guys? I don't.

[VeveJones007]

BTW, I definitely take one of Foster, Riddick, Harris, or Takk before I take one of those OL. Absolutely should trade down unless Ballard is comfortable with Foster's interviews, though.

[Spike]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

BTW, I definitely take one of Foster, Riddick, Harris, or Takk before I take one of those OL. Absolutely should trade down unless Ballard is comfortable with Foster's interviews, though.

I guess I am just sick & tired of watching Luck get the shit knocked out of him. Our franchise QB is in a sling right now, don't you think protecting him is our most pressing need right now?

[Coltsalr]

Originally Posted by Spike

I guess I am just sick & tired of watching Luck get the shit knocked out of him. Our franchise QB is in a sling right now, don't you think protecting him is our most pressing need right now?

Agreed, though I think there was a fair bit less shit-kicking by the end of last season. That group seemed to gel a bit, and while it would be nice if the Colts decided they needed to have the Great Wall of China for an OL (ala the Dallas Cowboys), I do wonder if that's our shrewdest investment, as I don't think the need is as dire there.

Like I said, I won't bitch if they go with Forrest Lamp. I would however worry about our other needs, moreso than I would worry if OL isn't addressed until Day 3.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

BTW, I definitely take one of Foster, Riddick, Harris, or Takk before I take one of those OL. Absolutely should trade down unless Ballard is comfortable with Foster's interviews, though.

There is a lot of pass rushing talent but there are also some minefields in there. I take Foster first over Reddick. Reddick will be transitioning to a new position who knows how that will go. If it goes well, expect him to be a Swiss Army knife on defense in a few years. By that time Foster will likely be a pro bowler.

Next I go Harris, he would have had better numbers if not for a scheme change. But guys that I really like and are late risers are Rivers of Youngstown, I feel this guy is what Tim Williams should be. And Bowser of Houston, there is a small sample size b/c they kept dropping him to cover but he looks like he has tons of potential. Imagine a larger Reddick and that is Bowser. Maybe one of them is available in the 2nd.

Stay away from Barnett. Takk only if you go in knowing he needs technique work, but the athletism is there. Well besides Garrett, they will all need some technique work.

[natagu23]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

There is a lot of pass rushing talent but there are also some minefields in there. I take Foster first over Reddick. Reddick will be transitioning to a new position who knows how that will go. If it goes well, expect him to be a Swiss Army knife on defense in a few years. By that time Foster will likely be a pro bowler.

Next I go Harris, he would have had better numbers if not for a scheme change. But guys that I really like and are late risers are Rivers of Youngstown, I feel this guy is what Tim Williams should be. And Bowser of Houston, there is a small sample size b/c they kept dropping him to cover but he looks like he has tons of potential. Imagine a larger Reddick and that is Bowser. Maybe one of them is available in the 2nd.

Stay away from Barnett. Takk only if you go in knowing he needs technique work, but the athletism is there. Well besides Garrett, they will all need some technique work.

Barnett has to be a no no.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by natagu23

Barnett has be a no no.

Whats that?

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by natagu23

Barnett has to be a no no.

I am not sure why Barnett is acquiring so many haters. I think he is going to be very good.