Colts draft RB DJ Giddens - Round 5, Pick 151

[Mr. Session]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

That is a hyperbolic statement, if I've ever heard one. JT has elite speed, JT can can make guys miss in the open field and JT has decent power, when he decides to use it. He often fails in goal to go situations and isn't incredibly elusive in tight quarters.

Exactly what I'm saying. JT has great vision too and he's decisive but he is not a shifty player.

He's the type of guy that punishes you when you make a bad step, he doesn't create the space, he punishes mistakes.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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Or, if Nick Harper had simply kept running straight instead of cutting back to the inside portion of the field ...... Ben Roethlisberger said that there is no way that he would have been able to get his hand on Harper's ankle to trip him up if he had kept running straight, and not cut back inside.

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I don't blame Harper for making what turned out to be the wrong move ...... he went with his instinct to cut inside to avoid the possibility of getting pushed out of bounds in case somebody was right behind him, and it was the wrong move. It was a qucik, split-second decision, and sometimes those decisions work, and sometimes they don't ...... he was also right there to grab the loose ball and start sprinting the other way in the first place, which at least gave the Colts a chance to win what looked like an unwinnable game only one play earlier.

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[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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I don't blame Harper for making what turned out to be the wrong move ...... he went with his instinct to cut inside to avoid the possibility of getting pushed out of bounds in case somebody was right behind him, and it was the wrong move. It was a qucik, split-second decision, and sometimes those decisions work, and sometimes they don't ...... he was also right there to grab the loose ball and start sprinting the other way in the first place, which at least gave the Colts a chance to win what looked like an unwinnable game only one play earlier.

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No doubt. Obviously it would have been great if he had not cut back and (likely) ran into the end zone, but he along w/ Brackett gave us a legitimate chance at a miracle comeback. And to be fair the Colts deserved to lose that game w/ how flat we came out.

[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by Mr. Session

Bull Shit



Or - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXsKy1OT0Ho

That was a sick cut. But I think I get what Dam is saying. I remember watching Addai all the time, bending like Gumby and half the time he'd lose balance and almost tackle himself. Ha, I'm picturing it now, can't remember the game, but like catching a wide open swing pass and starts juking back and forth with the guy 10 yards away.

I sound like I'm shitting on the dude, but it was his quirk. I liked him.

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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Or, if Nick Harper had simply kept running straight instead of cutting back to the inside portion of the field ...... Ben Roethlisberger said that there is no way that he would have been able to get his hand on Harper's ankle to trip him up if he had kept running straight, and not cut back inside.

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It was PTSD. Only thing on his mind was to cut for some reason...

Originally Posted by Dam8610

JT may not fumble often, but when he does, it costs the team the game or possibly the season.

I think that's it. His have been pretty consequential. Even when it's not his fault... like when he got his ankle crushed against TEN and dropped the ball. Seems like we lost because of that one, too.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

Do you think Edge had fumbling issues since he cost the Colts multiple games and HFA in the playoffs?

Or what about Jerome Bettis? He would have cost the Steelers a SB if Nick Harper's wife wouldn't have stabbed him in the league the night before our playoff game.

Objectively, yes, Edgerrin James fumbled too much. That said, I don't ever remember him fumbling by dropping the ball at the half yard line, and I can’t imagine him doing anything that boneheaded.

Originally Posted by Mr. Session

Bull Shit



Or - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXsKy1OT0Ho

I loved Addai, I was one of the few people back in 2006 who thought the Colts should draft him over Maroney.

That said, you cherry picked the best juke of his career and a pass play where he wasn't particularly elusive, but just followed his blocks and a bunch of Cheats defenders just fell down. There's no two play selection that will prove or disprove either of our opinions, and if you go look at his whole body of work, you'll see that most of the time, Addai's dancing and juking doesn't create additional yardage.

Here, do this: watch an Addai LSU highlight video, then a Giddens KSU highlight video. If you still can't see what I'm talking about after that, I don't know what to say.

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

That was a sick cut. But I think I get what Dam is saying. I remember watching Addai all the time, bending like Gumby and half the time he'd lose balance and almost tackle himself. Ha, I'm picturing it now, can't remember the game, but like catching a wide open swing pass and starts juking back and forth with the guy 10 yards away.

Exactly. Addai's juking, shiftiness, change of direction, whatever you want to call it, more often allowed defenders to close on him and reduce his gains than it caused defenders to miss him and increase his gains.

IMO Addai was a really good RB, three down player, had ability as a runner, receiver, and blocker. But elusiveness was not one of the positive traits of his game.

[Dam8610]

Addai LSU

https://youtu.be/pT5Q0HTkPY4?si=xvQsYKS9afiGGtRx ( I do like the soundtrack on this, but also couldn't find a higher res/better quality one)

Giddens KSU:

https://youtu.be/kZXml-eYSIg?si=JsCoSmyNVbjywAf0

First minute of each video should give a clear picture.

[Mr. Session]

Originally Posted by dam8610

because addai's shiftiness never made people miss. Taylor's does. That's the difference for me. Also, giddens never dances in the backfield.

You're Cappin'

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Mr. Session

You're Cappin'

Now do the ones where he dances in the backfield and gets TFL'd that outnumber these by 10:1.

[Mr. Session]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Now do the ones where he dances in the backfield and gets TFL'd that outnumber these by 10:1.

I don’t have to.

You said it never worked and then you moved the goal post with the statement that I was cherry picking.

Nothing will ever be enough because you’re committed to being unreasonable. Didn’t you go to Purdue or some shit?

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Mr. Session

I don’t have to.

You said it never worked and then you moved the goal post with the statement that I was cherry picking.

Nothing will ever be enough because you’re committed to being unreasonable. Didn’t you go to Purdue or some shit?

Statistically never, as in it didn't work 95+% of the time. I did go to Purdue, that's why I know how math works.