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njcoltfan 04-24-2023 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 264224)
I can't remember where I read it, but in the article a scout said that Stroud's S2 test did match his tape.

So which do I believe the future HOF GM in Dammy or the scout?

With out a doubt, its our own Dammy !!!!

IndyNorm 04-24-2023 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 264232)
With out a doubt, its our own Dammy !!!!

No doubt. If every team would just listen to Dam then they'd all undoubtedly win the Superbowl every year.

IndyNorm 04-24-2023 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 264208)
Far from it, evaluation of film is difficult. That's why 50% is a high hit rate in the NFL draft. Coming away from one draft with four plus starters or impact role players is a great draft, it's why Ballard is considered a great drafter, he's done that consistently. That's also why the combine and pro days exist, to give data to compare to the film. But the film is the deciding factor of any evaluation.

And of course not everyone is going to see it the same way. If you saw the big board of 10 different teams, you'd see no less than 4 different rankings of the QBs, and my money would be on more than that. Some teams have Richardson as the #1 QB, I'm sure. There's probably even someone who has Levis as the #1 QB.

So are you saying that there's at least a 50% chance that you're wrong? If so then I think we need to screen shot and sticky this post!

IndyNorm 04-24-2023 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 264137)
dam will be insufferable

really i don't care. i just want a young qb. preference being richardson

To be fair if we do end up with Stroud and he's half as good as Dam says he'll be then it'll probably be worth it.

ChaosTheory 04-24-2023 05:05 PM

If anybody didn't see it, here's the PFF interview with Brandon Ally (co-founder of S2). It's nearly 40 minutes and fleshes out the testing process and how it's utilized by teams as another scouting element (along with 40 times, film study, etc.). As he says, it's not the Holy Grail, but can help match players with teams that are looking for something specific.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C4JT7T4pdY


One interesting point is that there about 16 "outfits" at the combine testing these guys, not just S2.

apballin 04-24-2023 05:29 PM

Venturi was on JMV today and said Levis is his #2 QB behind Bryce Young…

Also said he told Ballard, Richardson is the kinda guy that makes you look like a genius or gets you fired.

Daniel Jeremiah was on later and said he’d love to see Richardson go to the Colts but he thinks it’s Levis

JAFF 04-24-2023 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 264248)
Venturi was on JMV today and said Levis is his #2 QB behind Bryce Young…

Also said he told Ballard, Richardson is the kinda guy that makes you look like a genius or gets you fired.

Daniel Jeremiah was on later and said he’d love to see Richardson go to the Colts but he thinks it’s Levis

Richardson is so young, so raw. He has the physical tools, but how in the world can you predict his maturation in the next 4 years when he gets a contract with a greater financial value than 97% of the US population

Racehorse 04-24-2023 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 264191)
Given the allegedly top 4 in this years draft that is a real possibility. Your guy has the mental capacity of a potato apparently. Two of the other 3 leave a lot of room for improvement. If Young was 6'3" or 6'4" and 220-225 this would be a moot point for any conversation on who is the best QB in this draft.

I heard today that there was a report that Stroud took the S2 multiple times and struggled each time. I think it was Tom Pellisario (sp?).

IndyNorm 04-24-2023 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 264255)
Richardson is so young, so raw. He has the physical tools, but how in the world can you predict his maturation in the next 4 years when he gets a contract with a greater financial value than 97% of the US population

To be fair that's pretty much any of these guys except for maybe Hooker since he's no longer in his early 20s. The bigger concern for Richardson should be if he can greatly improve his accuracy and not if he's going to become a turd after he gets paid.

Chromeburn 04-24-2023 08:23 PM

Peter King’s mock is up. He also thinks Stroud might fall out of the top seven and might land with the Titans.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...oung-panthers/

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Then there’s the quarterback mystery. A month ago, C.J. Stroud was the odds-on favorite to be the first pick in the draft. Today, it’s no lock he goes in the top seven, which seems (and is) insane. Will Levis was an afterthought in many draft rooms as this month dawned; now he might be the fourth overall pick. Eleven years after an accomplished 5-10 3/4 quarterback, Russell Wilson, was picked 75th overall, an accomplished quarterback half-an-inch shorter, Bryce Young, is projected to go first overall.
Make sure you watch the podcast on the page as well. King talks extensively about the Colts. He thinks Manning has bonded with Will Levis and Manning is in turn talking to Irsay. Irsay then is talking about him to Ballard. Says another prominent person in the building likes Richardson. Ultimately it will come down to Ballard and his decision. Says they haven’t had a easy time in the building and have been back and forth on all the QBs.

Dam8610 04-24-2023 08:54 PM

I know Will Levis gets the Josh Allen comps, but I'm starting to see how Anthony Richardson could take a Josh Allen like development path. Play him early, take the lumps, and hope he develops, because he does more things at a pro ready level than I originally thought.

Chromeburn 04-24-2023 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 264266)
I know Will Levis gets the Josh Allen comps, but I'm starting to see how Anthony Richardson could take a Josh Allen like development path. Play him early, take the lumps, and hope he develops, because he does more things at a pro ready level than I originally thought.

He’s an intriguing prospect. Just inconsistent. But you see flashes and you think “wow, he could be really good with the right coaches and patience.”

apballin 04-24-2023 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 264264)
Peter King’s mock is up. He also thinks Stroud might fall out of the top seven and might land with the Titans.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...oung-panthers/



Make sure you watch the podcast on the page as well. King talks extensively about the Colts. He thinks Manning has bonded with Will Levis and Manning is in turn talking to Irsay. Irsay then is talking about him to Ballard. Says another prominent person in the building likes Richardson. Ultimately it will come down to Ballard and his decision. Says they haven’t had a easy time in the building and have been back and forth on all the QBs.

We all love Peyton, but he’s not the GM. It’s not his call, you like him that much tell the broncos to draft him or the Titans fuck that

apballin 04-24-2023 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 264266)
I know Will Levis gets the Josh Allen comps, but I'm starting to see how Anthony Richardson could take a Josh Allen like development path. Play him early, take the lumps, and hope he develops, because he does more things at a pro ready level than I originally thought.

His running ability has to be respected from the moment he steps on the field which in turn should free up passing lanes. He’s all ball like Steichen said, Levis has a degree in finance he screams Luck all over again the moment he gets fucked up his girlfriend will be in his ear telling him “you don’t need this shit”

Chromeburn 04-24-2023 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 264268)
We all love Peyton, but he’s not the GM. It’s not his call, you like him that much tell the broncos to draft him or the Titans fuck that

King seemed to emphasize that it’s still Ballard’s call, but he runs a very democratic system. I bet the debates are lively in that draft room this week.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 04-24-2023 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 264264)
He thinks Manning has bonded with Will Levis and Manning is in turn talking to Irsay. Irsay then is talking about him to Ballard. Says another prominent person in the building likes Richardson. Ultimately it will come down to Ballard and his decision. Says they haven’t had a easy time in the building and have been back and forth on all the QBs.

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 264270)
I bet the debates are lively in that draft room this week.



Breer wrote similar things in his column today.

Repeats that Irsay likes Levis due to Manning's opinion.

Traits-happy Ballard likes Richardson.

And Dodds is lobbying for Stroud due to thinking he will be the best fit in Steichen’s offense.

Brylok 04-24-2023 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 264271)
Breer wrote similar things in his column today.

Repeats that Irsay likes Levis due to Manning's opinion.

Traits-happy Ballard likes Richardson.

And Dodds is lobbying for Stroud due to thinking he will be the best fit in Steichen’s offense.

Irsay and Ballard have been striking out in recent years. What does Steichen have to say? Or is Dodds speaking on his behalf?

I hope they don't make a mess of it...

IndyNorm 04-24-2023 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 264272)
Irsay and Ballard have been striking out in recent years. What does Steichen have to say? Or is Dodds speaking on his behalf?

I hope they don't make a mess of it...

No doubt. If Stroud is the best fit for Steichen's system and he's there at 4 then just take him. End of story.

ChaosTheory 04-24-2023 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 264272)
Irsay and Ballard have been striking out in recent years. What does Steichen have to say? Or is Dodds speaking on his behalf?

I hope they don't make a mess of it...

Yeah, he doesn't seem to give much away but I'm curious if it's three different directions among owner, GM, HC.

I read that Ballard really liked Josh Allen when he was a questionable guy. Wonder if he sees the same in Richardson.

Dam8610 04-24-2023 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 264271)
Breer wrote similar things in his column today.

Repeats that Irsay likes Levis due to Manning's opinion.

Traits-happy Ballard likes Richardson.

And Dodds is lobbying for Stroud due to thinking he will be the best fit in Steichen’s offense.

Go Dodds!

YDFL Commish 04-24-2023 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 264277)
Go Dodds!

Dodds is not going to have a lot of input into this decision. Breer doesn't know shit, and let's face it Levis will be the pick.

The bigger question is will you support the player or rag on him every time he makes a mistake?

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 04-25-2023 07:31 AM

Well, I think that the story that Peter King and Breer is spreading is the narrative that the Colts want out there.

They don't want other teams to connect one specific name to them.

I'm sure the Colts would prefer that Houston and Arizona stay put and draft a non-QB and then the Colts could choose between the 3 QB's at 1.04.

CletusPyle 04-25-2023 08:14 AM

This draft is the most tightly controlled I can remember, I don't think anybody but the teams themselves really know what the first 4 picks will be....maybe Young is a lock at 1, but I am not convinced that that is even for sure!

Dam8610 04-25-2023 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 264280)
Dodds is not going to have a lot of input into this decision. Breer doesn't know shit, and let's face it Levis will be the pick.

The bigger question is will you support the player or rag on him every time he makes a mistake?

I'll wait for draft day, because none of the "insiders" seem to know anything this year. The only thing I'm certain of at this point is my order of preference of the QBs, which is: Stroud, Young, Richardson, trade for another QB, trade down and draft DTR later, just about any other option the Colts could do to address the QB position, Levis

The bigger question is why would you ask me a question I answered several days ago? Again, we all root for laundry, I want the Colts to win no matter what. That said, am I going to be incredibly angry if CJ Stroud and Will Levis are both what I think they are, the Colts draft Levis, and we have to watch Stroud kick the Colts ass for the next 15 years? Of course.

Dam8610 04-25-2023 09:01 AM

# Team Player, Position, College
1 San Francisco 49ers Alex D. Smith qb, Utah
2 Miami Dolphins Ronnie Brown rb, Auburn
3 Cleveland Browns Braylon Edwards wr, Michigan
4 Chicago Bears Cedric Benson rb, Texas
5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Carnell Williams rb, Auburn
6 Tennessee Adam "Pacman" Jones cb, West Virginia
7 Minnesota Vikings Troy Williamson wr, South Carolina
8 Arizona Cardinals Antrel Rolle cb, Miami (FL)
9 Washington Redskins Carlos Rogers cb, Auburn
10 Detroit Lions Mike Williams WR, Southern California
11 Dallas Cowboys DeMarcus Ware de, Troy State
12 San Diego Chargers Shawne Merriman olb, Maryland
13 New Orleans Saints Jammal Brown ot, Oklahoma
14 Carolina Panthers Thomas Davis fs, Georgia
15 Kansas City Cheifs Derrick O. Johnson olb, Texas
16 Houston Texans Travis Johnson dt, Florida State
17 Cincinnati Bengals David Pollack de, Georgia
18 Minnesota Vikings Erasmus James de, Wisconsin
19 St. Louis Rams Alex Barron ot, Florida State
20 Dallas Cowboys Marcus Spears de, Louisiana State
21 Jacksonville Jaguars Matt Jones WR, Arkansas
22 Baltimore Ravens Mark Clayton WR, Oklahoma
23 Oakland Raiders Fabian Washington cb, Nebraska
24 Green Bay Packers Aaron Rodgers qb, California

Remember this when you think NFL GMs are infallible and can't possibly pick the wrong guy. 22 teams with 23 picks (Dallas had picks 11 and 20) passed on Aaron Rodgers. Most of those teams did so for a fringe starter or a bust.

YDFL Commish 04-25-2023 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 264289)
# Team Player, Position, College
1 San Francisco 49ers Alex D. Smith qb, Utah
2 Miami Dolphins Ronnie Brown rb, Auburn
3 Cleveland Browns Braylon Edwards wr, Michigan
4 Chicago Bears Cedric Benson rb, Texas
5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Carnell Williams rb, Auburn
6 Tennessee Adam "Pacman" Jones cb, West Virginia
7 Minnesota Vikings Troy Williamson wr, South Carolina
8 Arizona Cardinals Antrel Rolle cb, Miami (FL)
9 Washington Redskins Carlos Rogers cb, Auburn
10 Detroit Lions Mike Williams WR, Southern California
11 Dallas Cowboys DeMarcus Ware de, Troy State
12 San Diego Chargers Shawne Merriman olb, Maryland
13 New Orleans Saints Jammal Brown ot, Oklahoma
14 Carolina Panthers Thomas Davis fs, Georgia
15 Kansas City Cheifs Derrick O. Johnson olb, Texas
16 Houston Texans Travis Johnson dt, Florida State
17 Cincinnati Bengals David Pollack de, Georgia
18 Minnesota Vikings Erasmus James de, Wisconsin
19 St. Louis Rams Alex Barron ot, Florida State
20 Dallas Cowboys Marcus Spears de, Louisiana State
21 Jacksonville Jaguars Matt Jones WR, Arkansas
22 Baltimore Ravens Mark Clayton WR, Oklahoma
23 Oakland Raiders Fabian Washington cb, Nebraska
24 Green Bay Packers Aaron Rodgers qb, California

Remember this when you think NFL GMs are infallible and can't possibly pick the wrong guy. 22 teams with 23 picks (Dallas had picks 11 and 20) passed on Aaron Rodgers. Most of those teams did so for a fringe starter or a bust.

Well, Demarcus Ware was probably the best pick of that draft. But you're right, with an aging Bledsoe at QB, you would think that rather than double dipping at DE the Cowboys should have taken Rodgers.

rm1369 04-25-2023 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 264300)
Well, Demarcus Ware was probably the best pick of that draft. But you're right, with an aging Bledsoe at QB, you would think that rather than double dipping at DE the Cowboys should have taken Rodgers.

The crazy thing for me is seeing 3 RBs drafted top 5. Great indicator of how much the game has changed

Dam8610 04-25-2023 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 264300)
Well, Demarcus Ware was probably the best pick of that draft. But you're right, with an aging Bledsoe at QB, you would think that rather than double dipping at DE the Cowboys should have taken Rodgers.

Rodgers is more valuable than Ware, but yes, I think if the Cowboys had it to do over they'd've gone Ware at 11 and Rodgers at 20.

Dam8610 04-25-2023 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 264304)
The crazy thing for me is seeing 3 RBs drafted top 5. Great indicator of how much the game has changed

Positional value has permeated the league. Bijan Robinson is the best RB prospect since Saquon Barkley, and there's a chance he might not go in Round 1.

YDFL Commish 04-25-2023 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 264306)
Positional value has permeated the league. Bijan Robinson is the best RB prospect since Saquon Barkley, and there's a chance he might not go in Round 1.

He will most definitely will go in round 1.

ukcolt 04-25-2023 01:22 PM

Ware or Merriman, clearly alongside Rodgers, but there wasn't a whole lot else in the 1st round of that draft that made a major dent on NFL annuls.

YDFL Commish 04-25-2023 06:14 PM

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Apparently Levis can throw without his fingers on the laces.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/NIQi...43964597.0.jpg

omahacolt 04-25-2023 06:53 PM

everyone can throw without the laces

YDFL Commish 04-25-2023 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 264337)
everyone can throw without the laces

But not all QB's do.

Dam8610 04-25-2023 07:14 PM

I didn't think I could not want Levis more, then I saw what his bicep tattoo says.

Chromeburn 04-25-2023 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 264335)
Apparently Levis can throw without his fingers on the laces.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/NIQi...43964597.0.jpg

So does Richardson.

Chromeburn 04-25-2023 07:47 PM

Latest rumor per Albert breer

Irsay likes Levis with Manning endorsement
Ballard is intrigued by Richardson
Dodds like Stroud

Don’t know if I believe it. Colts are on lockdown.

Brylok 04-25-2023 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 264340)
I didn't think I could not want Levis more, then I saw what his bicep tattoo says.

You didn't notice that until today?

apballin 04-25-2023 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 264340)
I didn't think I could not want Levis more, then I saw what his bicep tattoo says.

I’m sure Reich is standing on tables screaming to draft this guy, it’ll be his Wentz do over.

Dam8610 04-25-2023 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 264346)
You didn't notice that until today?

Didn't exactly seek out what it said, I thought it was dumb he had a bicep tattoo. I didn't know knowing what it was would make it worse.

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 264349)
I’m sure Reich is standing on tables screaming to draft this guy, it’ll be his Wentz do over.

Lol this was my first thought after reading it as well. He's SO Carson Wentz it's not even funny.


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