Colts own free agents

[Oldcolt]

I'm with Smitty. Miss the discussion around here. With that in mind, what do you folks think about our own free agents? Which ones do you definitely want back? I would like to see Geathers, Desir, Vinnie, Glowinski, Hunt, Milton and Rhodes resigned. Iffy on Farley, Boehm and Mitchell.

[sherck]

From the "Off Season" thread:
1. Exclusive Rights Free Agents Tag:

- WR Marcus Johnson. Showed a bit of ability early in the season before his week six season ending injury with 6 receptions in 5 games played. Happy to bring him back as TC fodder and potential WR4/WR5 depth if he makes the team.

- LS Luke Rhodes. Sure, he has done fine. Whatever.

2. Restricted Free Agent Tag:

- Evan Boehm (26). Tag him with an "original round" tag for around $2.1m for 2019. He was originally a 4th round draft pick in 2016 for Arizona. Valuable part of the depth of the 2018 Colts O-Line interior with position flexibility for OC or OG.

- SS Matthias Farley (27). In his five games prior to IR, he racked up 17 tackles (10 solo), 4 PD, 1 INT, 1 FF and 2 special team tackles. I think he showed ample ability to potentially be that Big Safety-3 when needed or quality depth behind oft-injured Geathers. He was undrafted in 2016 and I would probably be willing to sign him to the 2nd round RFA tender to ensure he is with us next season for around $3.2m for the season. I think he could be important for the secondary going forward.

- CB Chris Milton (27), SS Corey Moore (26), WR Chester Rogers (25), TE Ross Travis (26). All were undrafted and would require the 2nd round tag in order to retain them for the 2019 season (for sure) and I am unsure that any of them are worth it. Signing them to the "original round" tag only ensures that we have the right to match any contract offer someone else might give them. I don't think any of them are more than JAG (Just Another Guy) so I would let them hit free agency and see what happens and sign them back later if they are available and we need to fill the 90 man roster.

3. Unrestricted Free Agents:

First of all, I don't think there is anyone that we use the Franchise Tag or Transition Tag on. No need for either of those.

- OG Mark Glowinski (27). My top free agent re-signing priority as he has really found a home in Indy. Rated the #10 OG by PFF, Glowinski obviously performed fantastically in our offense and I believe he has earned a veteran contract in return for both his performance and his potential to get better with a full off-season with us. Top OGs in the league are making in excess of $10m a year and while I don't think he is there, he should get paid well as I think he is a valuable building block going forward. OGs cap hits between #10 highest and #20 highest are between $7.750m and $5.450m so I think a 3-year, $18m contract at $6m a year seems about right for him. It puts him in the top half of the top paid 32 OGs in the league, is a massive upgrade in the amount of money than he has ever received previously, a nice reward for 1 year of service but also a reminder that it is only 1 year of service at top levels. He will still be able to sign another veteran contract at age 30 if he is still performing at high levels.

- SS Clayton Geathers (27). I like his performance when on the field; however, he is suffering from the Bob Sanders effect; he is not on the field as much as you would like. In the last 3 seasons, he has played in 9, 5 and 12 games for a total of 26 of 48 possible games. When on the field.... Ballard in his end of year presser sounded like he loves Clayton so I suspect that he will be back in 2019 on a veteran contract but it it might have lower guaranteed money with more performance based money for being on the field. Like OGs, top Safeties make over $10m a year but most are not making that much. A 3-year, $18m contract looks about right up his alley as well making him the 16th highest paid safety in the league for 2018 (don't know what safety contracts will do in 2019). I like him.....when on the field.

- CB Pierre Desir (28). Not a top ten CB in the league but capable of throwing up "top ten" performance at times. Held in check some of the best WRs in the league down the stretch while then disappearing at times in other games. You have to keep him as he appears to be a very valuable CB in our scheme and we have thin depth already but the big question is "how much do you pay him?" The journey man jumped up to starter is ripe for disappointment once paid. I am going out on a limb to say a bit less than above, 3-year, $15m contract which would have put his cap hit at #36 for CBs in 2018. I don't want him to walk but we need better starting CBs than him in the long run.

- WR Dontrelle Inman (30). 2nd best WR on the roster for 2018 coming up big down the stretch as the only solid complement to T.Y. we had. Would love to see him get a 1-year priority contract at around $3m in order to lock him in as the WR3 to start 2019 (or WR2 if we fail completely to find better). My hope would be that younger studs (Cain, Fountain, Pascal, 2019 rookies) would step up and take the WR2/3/4 spots by mid-season pushing Inman down to depth but if that does not happen, he is a great safety blanket.

- PK Adam Vinatieri (47). Yeah, $3.750m, bring him back.

- DL Margus Hunt (32), FS Mike Mitchell (32), OG Matt Slausson (33), OT J'Marcus Webb (32), NT Al Woods (32). I.E. "The Old Guard." Loved the play of all these older guys at times during the season but, honestly, I hope we can fill the roster with younger guys of similar or better talent to take their places. If a few of them get 1-year contracts for "one more year" then I would not be concerned but none should get multiple-year contracts. We have to invest the money in younger, longer term solutions.

- LB Najee Goode (30), WR Ryan Grant (28), DE Geno Grissom (28), TE Ryan Hewitt (28), S J.J. Wilcox (30). Just, no. Hope some other team finds use for you but not the Colts.

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glowinski
desir
farley or geathers (preferably for depth)
boehm (depth)
inman (WR#3)

[Racehorse]

I'm with Smitty. Miss the discussion around here. With that in mind, what do you folks think about our own free agents? Which ones do you definitely want back? I would like to see Geathers, Desir, Vinnie, Glowinski, Hunt, Milton and Rhodes resigned. Iffy on Farley, Boehm and Mitchell.

There are 27 of them, IIRC. There is no way we can turn over that many this offseason. I would guess we see 15 return. Which 15 is up for debate. I will have to find the list and see which ones should be pursued and which should be let look elsewhere.

[Oldcolt]

There are 27 of them, IIRC. There is no way we can turn over that many this offseason. I would guess we see 15 return. Which 15 is up for debate. I will have to find the list and see which ones should be pursued and which should be let look elsewhere.

I was more thinking about just players other teams might want to steal. I totally agree that we will sign a lot more than just the guys I mentioned to fill out the roster.

[JAFF]

Find an O line coach who can teach and reinforce technique

[YDFL Commish]

I'm with Smitty. Miss the discussion around here. With that in mind, what do you folks think about our own free agents? Which ones do you definitely want back? I would like to see Geathers, Desir, Vinnie, Glowinski, Hunt, Milton and Rhodes resigned. Iffy on Farley, Boehm and Mitchell.

All that you mentioned except Milton, Boehm and then it's a tossup between Farley and Mitchell, but they should keep one of the two for now.

[Coltsalr]

From the "Off Season" thread:

So dumb how the NFL doesnt differentiate by individual position within offensive line for the franchise tag. The tag is $14M, full stop.

I feel like a franchise tag value for OG’s would be significantly lower (not factoring all the enormously wealthy LT’s) and that with all our stupid cap space that we could justify whatever it would be for Glowinski on a one year deal to ensure continuity.

But even with our stupid cap space, can’t justify $14M for Glowinski.

[omahacolt]

So dumb how the NFL doesnt differentiate by individual position within offensive line for the franchise tag. The tag is $14M, full stop.

I feel like a franchise tag value for OG’s would be significantly lower (not factoring all the enormously wealthy LT’s) and that with all our stupid cap space that we could justify whatever it would be for Glowinski on a one year deal to ensure continuity.

But even with our stupid cap space, can’t justify $14M for Glowinski.

Why the hell are people saying “full stop” now? Sounds fucking retarded

[Butter]

Why the hell are people saying “full stop” now? Sounds fucking retarded

Are you from the past? It has been a thing for a long time. Shit, I am probably older than you I knew it was a thing.

[Pez]

Are you from the past? It has been a thing for a long time. Shit, I am probably older than you I knew it was a thing.It's actually sort of a retro phrase... it generally means 'period.' I think it has roots in telegraph and or radio days.

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[FatDT]

Agree, $14M/year for Glowinski is too much. But I don't think he will get that or try to.

[VeveJones007]

It's actually sort of a retro phrase... it generally means 'period.' I think it has roots in telegraph and or radio days.

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Yep, it was a way of indicating there should be a period when dictating a message. Typing "full stop." is redundant.

[smitty46953]

Yep, it was a way of indicating there should be a period when dictating a message. Typing "full stop." is redundant.

Pretty fitting phrase on this site then, lot of redundancy here … Sure hope Deon Cain can be a #2 for us next year. (had to say it) :cool:

[Dam8610]

So dumb how the NFL doesnt differentiate by individual position within offensive line for the franchise tag. The tag is $14M, full stop.

I feel like a franchise tag value for OG’s would be significantly lower (not factoring all the enormously wealthy LT’s) and that with all our stupid cap space that we could justify whatever it would be for Glowinski on a one year deal to ensure continuity.

But even with our stupid cap space, can’t justify $14M for Glowinski.

The transition tag is always an option in that scenario. Let another team do the negotiating and just match. That said, I doubt it's that serious and a fairly team friendly extension can likely be negotiated before free agency starts.

[Racehorse]

Pretty fitting phrase on this site then, lot of redundancy here … Sure hope Deon Cain can be a #2 for us next year. (had to say it) :cool:

Wasn't he considered a first round talent who fell to us in the sixth for some reason. (Injury?)

[Racehorse]

The transition tag is always an option in that scenario. Let another team do the negotiating and just match. That said, I doubt it's that serious and a fairly team friendly extension can likely be negotiated before free agency starts.

When do negotiations formally begin? Can we re-sign our guys now, or do we have to wait until some date later? I forget the rules on this.

[sherck]

When do negotiations formally begin? Can we re-sign our guys now, or do we have to wait until some date later? I forget the rules on this.Yes. We can negotiate now and sign whenever. If it is before the new league year start date (Mar 14th ?) then it has to fit under this year's cap. If after the start date, then it fits only under the 2019 cap.

Walk Worthy,

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[omahacolt]

Are you from the past? It has been a thing for a long time. Shit, I am probably older than you I knew it was a thing.

You know people that have been saying it for a long time? Of course not. People have been saying it recently. And it is dumb

[omahacolt]

Agree, $14M/year for Glowinski is too much. But I don't think he will get that or try to.

Glowinski should be happy with 8 a year

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Wasn't he considered a first round talent who fell to us in the sixth for some reason. (Injury?)

During the regular season, SI / MMQB reported that Cain slipped due to character concerns.

Here was the article - it's about a quarter of the way down the article where it covers the Colts draft class.


https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/12/week-10-mmqb-andrew-luck-colts-titans-patriots-rams-wildfires-philip-rivers-chargers-leveon-bell

[Pez]

You know people that have been saying it for a long time? Of course not. People have been saying it recently. And it is dumb

Agree, it's taken on a bit of millennial bit of trendiness, which likely means it wont last long.

I sort of have a bit of affinity for these type of linguistic things. There is a dubious origin story claiming there was a time when telegraph messages changes by the sentence, so they would say in words. That doesnt make snes to me, but I find amusing.

"Tom Brady's cramps likely correspond to his menstrual period full stop"

[Puck]

Glowinski should be happy with 8 a year

your moms happy with 8 every night full stop!

[Hoopsdoc]

Find an O line coach who can teach and reinforce technique

^^^^^Tom Simpson alert.

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i hate the offseason.

[JAFF]

^^^^^Tom Simpson alert.

I'm not sure of the referrence, but being a Howard Mudd fan, I guess I should have just said get someone like Howard

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I'm not sure of the referrence, but being a Howard Mudd fan, I guess I should have just said get someone like Howard
its not something you want

[rcubed]

What do we do about kickers? I assume they will bring vinny back for another year but given his age he has to deteriorate sometime, right? Does rigo kick FGs? If vinny starts falling off midseason do we try to pick up some kicker sitting on the shelf?

[YDFL Commish]

Rigo also kicked FG's in college, but I don't believe that is the plan for him with the Colts.

[sherck]

Rigo also kicked FG's in college, but I don't believe that is the plan for him with the Colts.If I had to guess, Rigo has been kicking FGs during TG and practices to keep in practice.

He did kick them at Hawaii during college. He was 21 of 24 FG and 72 of 74 PAT.

If Vinny died during a game, Rigo would be the emergency.

If during the season, then they would sign another kicker bur I son't know if punter or kicker depending how they felt about Rigo.

Walk Worthy,

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[sherck]

Rigo also kicked FG's in college, but I don't believe that is the plan for him with the Colts.They did not plan for Braden Smith to play ROT either.

Sometimes, plans change.

Walk Worthy,

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[JAFF]

The need to target the best leg in college and take him late or with an UFA tag. Let that kid work out in camp and let Vinny save his leg. If Vinny is ready, put the kid on the PS. He can do all the practice kicking.

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no big surprise but its being reported that colts and vin are close to signing a contract.


Mike Chappell
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Vinatieri, Colts closing in on new contract http://via.cbs4indy.com/v4AdF via @cbs4indy

Adam Schefter
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@AdamSchefter
Colts and future Hall-of-Fame kicker Adam Vinatieri are finalizing a one-year contract, per league sources. The NFL's all-time leading scorer now will return for a 24th season at the age of 46.

[smitty46953]

INDIANAPOLIS — Adam Vinatieri in 2018 solidified his status as the greatest kicker in NFL history.

But he’s coming back for more.

Indianapolis Colts general manager Chris Ballard, in an appearance on 1070 The Fan’s “The Dan Dakich Show,” revealed Friday that the Colts and Vinatieri have agreed to terms on a new contract that will keep the 46-year-old kicker in Indianapolis in 2019 for a 24th NFL season.

https://www.colts.com/news/colts-adam-vinatieri-agree-to-terms-on-new-contract?fbclid=IwAR2_tjyvLvjwe3r7VLX1GABNeIbf0kz1 DxHnnBCgcooTz9qrCjtvZUA_6aU

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