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https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/23/health/monkeypox-who-intl/index.html
Keep your dick in your pants.
Racehorse
07-23-2022, 06:49 PM
Looks like I am safe.
Looks like I am safe.
Most of us are. Its blood born. Science, who knew?
Lov2fish
07-25-2022, 10:11 AM
More people died in their bathtub in the United States than the monkey pox killed on the entire earth. So keep that fear porn rollin, tard.
More people died in their bathtub in the United States than the monkey pox killed on the entire earth. So keep that fear porn rollin, tard.
Thats what the article says.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jon-stewart-deliciously-trolls-fox-news-viewers-while-on-fox-news
A day after calling out the network for not hosting him to discuss the GOP blocking a veteran’s health care bill, Jon Stewart appeared on Fox News on Friday to assure the conservative cable giant’s viewers that the legislation had no added spending in it.
“This bill is utterly and completely focused on veterans’ issues. There is no pork in it. It is a kosher bill. I'd say ‘halal,’ but I know how that might play on this network,” the former Daily Show host slyly quipped at one point.
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Senate Republicans on Wednesday night blocked a bill that would expand health care to veterans exposed to burn pit toxins, even though that same legislation sailed through the Senate with 84 votes just two months ago. Democrats have since accused the GOP of voting against the PACT Act as retaliation for Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) announcing he reached a deal with Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) on the Biden administration’s long-sought climate and tax bill.
Stewart, a leading advocate for veterans and 9/11 first responders’ health aid, quickly took action on Thursday, doing a string of media hits to raise awareness and criticize Republicans for stalling the legislation.
“If this is America First, America is fucked,” he said on the steps of Congress on Thursday afternoon. Stewart even surprisingly made an appearance on far-right cable channel Newsmax, telling its audience that “every one of those Republicans” who voted against the bill doesn’t “support the troops.”
During a Thursday night interview on MSNBC, Stewart told host Mehdi Hasan that Fox News—which has hosted him many times in the past to discuss his vets and first responders advocacy—“refused” to book him to talk about this issue. “We have been begging them to get on the air all day long so that we can finally bring along some possible accountability to these senators,” he claimed.
A Fox News spokesperson on Friday morning mentioned Stewart’s past appearances while noting he was now slated to appear twice on the network.
Jon Stewart: Vets Dying As Senate GOP Engages In 'F*ckery'
'HOW ARE THESE PEOPLE HUMAN?'
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In his first interview with America’s Newsroom, the comedian was gracious and cordial to anchor Bill Hemmer, devoting most of his energy to promoting the legislation and pushing back on the GOP’s supposed concerns about the bill’s funding and spending.
At the same time, Stewart used the segment to make some not-so-subtle jokes about the network and its right-wing audience.
“I want to dispel some of the misinformation put out about this bill: No spending that is not related to veterans has been added to this bill. No last-minute budget gimmicks have been added to this bill,” he said.
“Not one word has been added to that bill from the pact act bill that the Senate passed 84-14. Not one word has been added to it. There is no added pork. Hunter Biden didn’t sneak in and add in unrelated spending in the middle of the night,” he continued, referencing the network’s obsessive coverage of the president’s son.
Hemmer said that Sen. Pat Toomey (R-PA) relayed concern about a “budget gimmick” in the bill but that the senator believes the PACT Act will “eventually” pass.
“First of all, that’s just not true,” Stewart shot back. “The provision was in the bill when it passed 84-14. Ask Pat Toomey because he complained about it on June 16 when it originally passed. Nothing has changed.”
Adding that “‘eventually’ is not OK,” the comedian reiterated that the bill had no excess spending in it that doesn’t directly go to veterans’ health care.
omahacolt
07-30-2022, 12:03 PM
republicans are shit for not voting this through
stewart does some good work
republicans are shit for not voting this through
stewart does some good work
The Pubs talk big about having the military men and women’s backs, and they cant vote for this?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/01/opinions/ted-cruz-jon-stewart-veterans-obeidallah/index.html
Editor’s Note: Dean Obeidallah, a former attorney, is the host of SiriusXM radio’s daily program “The Dean Obeidallah Show” and a columnist for The Daily Beast. Follow him @DeanObeidallah. The opinions expressed in this commentary are his own. Read more opinion on CNN.
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“Their constituents are dying. And they’re going to get it done after recess?”
Those were the words from a visibly angry Jon Stewart after 41 Republican senators voted to block advancement of legislation that would help thousands of veterans suffering from cancer, respiratory illness and other ailments.
While Senate Democrats voted unanimously to pass the measure, Republicans voted to stall the Honoring Our PACT Act, which aims to provide assistance to veterans who have become ill after being exposed to burn pits during their military service.
Dean Obeidallah
Dean Obeidallah
Stewart, the former late night comedian-turned-activist arguably has been the most vocal critic of GOP lawmakers who voted the measure down in a procedural vote, a move that looked likely to delay the measure until after lawmakers return from their summer break in September.
The veterans don’t have the luxury of waiting another month, he said.
“Tell their cancer to take a recess,” he told CNN one day after learning that the measure had stalled. “Tell their cancer to stay home and go visit their families.”
Democratic Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer plans to hold a new vote on the measure this week, giving Republicans a chance to prove that they actually do support the troops to whom they so often pay lip service.
The GOP is trying to score political points by delaying this vital piece of legislation that would assist an estimated 3.5 million military veterans. This issue is literally a matter of life and death for those sickened by exposure to toxins emitted from burn pits.
WASHINGTON, DC - NOVEMBER 11: A flower and two American flags are left at the base of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall on Veterans Day on November 11, 2020 in Washington, DC. Veterans Day is when Americans honor those who served the country in the Armed Forces. The Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall contains 58,320 names of those who gave their lives during the conflict in Vietnam. It was designed by Maya Lin and was completed in 1982. (Photo by Samuel Corum/Getty Images)
What Veterans Day means to me and my family
Burn pits were commonly used to burn trash, munitions, hazardous material and chemical compounds at military sites throughout Iraq and Afghanistan until about 2010. They were often operated at or near military bases, releasing dangerous toxins into the air that may have caused short- and long-term health conditions.. But in the past, more than 70% of claims filed for disabilities connected to burn pit exposure were denied by the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA).
The PACT Act would fix that. The legislation would provide hundreds of billions of dollars over the next decade to help them. And going forward, veterans exposed to burn pits will now have the presumption of having contracted certain respiratory illnesses and cancers, allowing them to more easily obtain disability payments.
So why did Senate Republicans block legislation that would help millions of vets? Could it be that the GOP doesn’t want to hand President Biden a legislative win on an issue he has long championed – especially so close to November’s midterm election?
Some speculate that Republicans backtracked as part of a backlash after being caught by surprise over the deal announced last week by Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer – forged in secrecy with West Virginia Democrat Joe Manchin – on legislation to address climate change, help lower prescription drug costs and increase tax revenues.
HARLEYSVILLE, PENNSYLVANIA - MAY 12: U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) speaks at a campaign event for fellow Republican, senate candidate Dave McCormick at Leddy's Pub on May 12, 2022 in Harleysville, Pennsylvania. Cruz joined the former hedge fund executive McCormick for the event ahead of the May 17 primary to replace retiring Republican Sen. Pat Toomey.
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GOP Senator Ted Cruz – who not only voted against the bill to aid veterans, but despicably, was seen fist-bumping other GOP Senators to celebrate the blockage of the legislation – claimed it was because the measure contained a budget “gimmick.”
Republican Sen. Pat Toomey, who is a leading voice in oposition to the bill, said in a statement after the vote that scuttled the bill that if it were to approve the bill in its current form, “Congress would effectively be using an important veterans care bill to hide a massive, unrelated spending binge.” Cruz told TMZ that the bill represented “part of the out-of-control spending by the left.”
But Cruz and his Republican colleagues in the Senate in mid-June passed an almost identical version of the bill, which cleared the chamber by a vote of 84-14, (with all 14 “no” votes coming from Republicans).
Stewart, who has been publicly advocating for this legislation since September 2020 (and who also championed efforts to increase federal funding for 9/11 First responders) called out Cruz on Twitter. “This isn’t a game. Real people’s lives hang in the balance… People that fought for your life,” he wrote.
Stewart is 100% correct about Republican game-playing. The PACT Act passed the House several weeks ago with only minor tweaks – but those minor changes prompted another vote by the Senate. Last week, 25 GOP senators, including Cruz – flipped their earlier “yes” votes to block it.
Democratic Senator Jon Tester, who co-wrote the bill with Kansas Republican Senator Jerry Moran, said Republicans’ explanations for why they pulled their support just don’t hold water.
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“My colleagues can make up all sorts of excuses as to why they decided to change their vote for this bill,” he said.
All in all, it amounts to the worst type of political gamesmanship, with the lives of America’s veterans in the balance. They deserve far better.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/02/politics/senate-vote-burn-pits/index.html
Pubs wake up
https://news.yahoo.com/alex-jones-lawyer-sent-text-messages-sandy-hook-parents-defamation-trial-184125918.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9uZXdzLmdvb2dsZS5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHGyyKcy84M23m-pUL6fONEfqgDN3g-xIizdJegOHAK31q6HNWmk8FLkHnKMOLQ2oFTquAwHVuCUIafiL AH3NZZBCKzQKz_PkXW7w_g5OCmS5wVI-JFJMBUrhwKPOm34mxKxtszkRudLK5dBdnSx8_DKIbv2G-GvupQb5yuKZ_KZ
While being cross-examined at his defamation trial in Austin, Texas, on Wednesday, Alex Jones was informed that his attorneys accidentally sent two years of text messages from his cellphone to a lawyer for the Sandy Hook parents suing him — and then failed to note that the messages were protected under attorney-client privilege.
Mark Bankston, a lawyer for the plaintiffs, presented a text message about Sandy Hook that Bankston said came from Jones’s cellphone.
“Do you know where I got this?” Bankston asked Jones.
“No,” Jones replied.
Bankston explained: “Twelve days ago, your attorneys messed up and sent me an entire digital copy of your entire cellphone with every text message that you’ve sent for the past two years — and when informed, did not take any steps to identify it as privileged or protected.”
Alex Jones attempts to answer questions about his text messages at his defamation trial in Austin, Texas, on Wednesday. (Briana Sanchez/Pool via Reuters)
Alex Jones attempts to answer questions about his text messages at his defamation trial in Austin, Texas, on Wednesday. (Briana Sanchez/Pool via Reuters)
In a pretrial deposition, Jones had testified under oath that he had searched his phone for text messages about Sandy Hook in preparation for the trial and found none.
“That is how I know you lied to me when you said you didn’t have any text messages about Sandy Hook,” Bankston told Jones. “Did you know this?”
Jones said he did not, and that he had given his phone to his attorneys.
"I guess this is your 'Perry Mason' moment," he added.
"You know what perjury is, right?" Bankston asked.
“Yes, I do,” Jones replied. “I mean, I’m not a tech guy.”
The dramatic exchange came during cross-examination of Jones on the second day of his testimony.
Earlier Wednesday, Jones sought to portray himself as a victim who had been “typecast” for claiming that the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., was staged.
Jones, the only witness called by his defense team, began by complaining about media outlets that refuse to report that he now believes that the massacre, which left 20 children and six educators dead, actually happened.
“It's 100% real,” Jones said under direct questioning from his lawyer F. Andino Reynal.
Neil Heslin, father of 6-year-old Sandy Hook shooting victim Jesse Lewis, testifies at trial.
Neil Heslin, father of 6-year-old Sandy Hook shooting victim Jesse Lewis, testifies against Alex Jones on Tuesday. (Briana Sanchez/Pool via Reuters)
The concession came a day after Neil Heslin and Scarlett Lewis, the parents of Jesse Lewis, a 6-year-old boy killed at Sandy Hook, told the jury that false claims that the attack did not occur have made their lives a “living hell.”
Heslin and Lewis are suing Jones and his media company Free Speech Systems for $150 million for the harassment they've received as a result of the unfounded conspiracy theory spread by Jones and his guests on Infowars, a far-right website that hosts talk shows and other content.
Jones was asked by Reynal to explain what he now thinks about the massacre in Newtown.
“I think Sandy Hook happened. I think it was a terrible event,” he said, before adding: “I think it was a cover-up. The FBI knew it was going to happen.”
Under cross-examination, Bankston peppered Jones with questions about statements that have been made on Infowars during the trial, including the suggestion that Judge Maya Guerra Gamble is rigging the proceedings with an actual script, and that Gamble is somehow involved in a pedophilia ring.
Bankston asked Jones if such statements were evidence that he is taking the trial seriously.
“I think this is serious as cancer,” Jones replied.
Mark Bankston shows a document to Alex Jones, who looks perplexed.
Mark Bankston, a lawyer for Neil Heslin and Scarlett Lewis, asks Jones about his emails and text messages during the defamation trial Wedneday. (Briana Sanchez/Pool via Reuters)
Bankston also asked Jones about other mass tragedies that he has claimed were "false flag" events, including the mass shootings in Las Vegas, Parkland, Fla., and Sutherland Springs, Texas, and the Boston Marathon bombings.
As was the case during Jones's testimony on Tuesday, Gamble repeatedly reminded him to answer only the questions he was asked.
“This is not your show,” the judge said.
The case is now in the hands of the jury. Deliberations are scheduled to resume on Thursday morning.
During closing arguments, Reynal said that lawyers for the plaintiffs did not show the entire amount of Infowars video footage entered into evidence — about 8 hours — and instead presented just 9 minutes to the jury.
In their rebuttal, Kyle Farrar, an attorney for the parents, said that was by design, and that the lawyers chose not to play for the jury video segments unrelated to Sandy Hook.
“Why would I play you his conspiracy theories about frogs being gay? Why would I play that to you?” Farrar asked, adding: "Nobody wants to see that."
Racehorse
08-04-2022, 05:35 PM
Alex Jones? LOL
IndyNorm
08-04-2022, 06:15 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/23/health/monkeypox-who-intl/index.html
Keep your dick in your pants.
Especially if you plan on sticking it in someone's ass.
Especially if you plan on sticking it in someone's ass.
This is how the AIDS epidemic started. It starts with a small group, engaged in risky personal practices, who are mobile, and dont give a damn what harm they cause.
Hopefully the AIDS/Hepatitis test will work while they add to the blood screening process for blood donations.
Jones must pay $45.2 million
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/05/media/alex-jones-punitive-damages-sandy-hook/index.html
Thats just Two sets of parents.
. Alex Jones is one of the worst humans on the planet, a pathological liar who exploits others’ agony for attention and profit. We dare him to sue us for defamation.
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-edit-alex-jones-20220804-cjqsggh73vhexnu6s2v6vk2mlq-story.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/not-my-job-judge-won-t-stop-congress-from-obtaining-alex-jones-cell-phone-contents/ar-AA10mhYQ?ocid=&cvid=c371dfb9f14844fa9e167af4621ef8d1
After conspiracy theory promoter Alex Jones was hit with a $49.3 million total verdict for lying about the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, his attorneys sought to claw back the contents of Jones' cell phone, which they inadvertently sent to the plaintiffs.
The attorney for the plaintiffs has said he will cooperate with requests to obtain the evidence from federal law enforcement and the House Select Committee Investigating the Jan. 6 Attack on the U.S. Capitol.
On Friday, Judge Maya Guerra Gamble refused the request to get involved.
“I’m not standing between you and Congress," Gamble said.
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"That is not my job," she said. "I’m not going to do that.”
Mark Bankston, the attorney for Sandy Hook parents Neil Heslin and Scarlett Lewis, used the contents of Jones' phone to successfully impeach the InfoWars host for lying.
When Jones' lawyer called for a mistrial, Bankston revealed that the 2.3 gigabytes of information include every text Jones sent in the past two years, including intimate messages to Roger Stone.
IndyNorm
08-06-2022, 09:07 AM
This is how the AIDS epidemic started. It starts with a small group, engaged in risky personal practices, who are mobile, and dont give a damn what harm they cause.
Hopefully the AIDS/Hepatitis test will work while they add to the blood screening process for blood donations.
Yeah, no doubt. Thankfully this is nowhere near as severe as HIV or Hepatitis.
I do love how the biggest recommendation on how to prevent the spread of this is a nicer version of don't go around getting your ass plowed by everyone you meet, which call me crazy is probably sound advice anytime and not just during an outbreak.
Yeah, no doubt. Thankfully this is nowhere near as severe as HIV or Hepatitis.
I do love how the biggest recommendation on how to prevent the spread of this is a nicer version of don't go around getting your ass plowed by everyone you meet, which call me crazy is probably sound advice anytime and not just during an outbreak.
This is what happened in the AIDs epidemic. Dont have any kind of sex with a stranger. Straight forward, keep your (fill in the blank) in your pants. And here we are.
Us old fuckers who have had small pox vaccination are probably ok.The rest of you are on your own. Since some of you dont believe in vaccination, sucks to be you
IndyNorm
08-10-2022, 10:26 PM
This is what happened in the AIDs epidemic. Dont have any kind of sex with a stranger. Straight forward, keep your (fill in the blank) in your pants. And here we are.
Us old fuckers who have had small pox vaccination are probably ok.The rest of you are on your own. Since some of you dont believe in vaccination, sucks to be you
You do realize there's a huge difference between Monkeypox and AIDS right? Monkeypox rarely leads to death and typically goes away after 3-4 weeks. AIDS not so much, especially back in the epidemic days where it was a death sentence. Also there are treatments for Monkeypox whereas there was nothing for AIDS back in the epidemic. Don't get me wrong, contracting Monkeypox sucks, but it's not the end of the world like you're making it out to be.
As far as the sex conversation it's abundantly obvious from the data what type of behavior is causing Monkeypox to spread:
Overall, 98% of the persons with infection were gay or bisexual men, 75% were White, and 41% had human immunodeficiency virus infection; the median age was 38 years. Transmission was suspected to have occurred through sexual activity in 95% of the persons with infection..
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2207323
Again, don't get me wrong: having sex with strangers, especially unprotected sex, isn't good for your health. But people should be more concerned with contracting one of the numerous STDs out there than Monkeypox.
You do realize there's a huge difference between Monkeypox and AIDS right? Monkeypox rarely leads to death and typically goes away after 3-4 weeks. AIDS not so much, especially back in the epidemic days where it was a death sentence. Also there are treatments for Monkeypox whereas there was nothing for AIDS back in the epidemic. Don't get me wrong, contracting Monkeypox sucks, but it's not the end of the world like you're making it out to be.
As far as the sex conversation it's abundantly obvious from the data what type of behavior is causing Monkeypox to spread:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2207323
Again, don't get me wrong: having sex with strangers, especially unprotected sex, isn't good for your health. But people should be more concerned with contracting one of the numerous STDs out there than Monkeypox.
There will be 3rd parties who will catch it because some one they trust will pass it along. Sex workers and intravenous drug users are spreading it as well. This will only get worse until we get more people vaccinated. And I’ve given up on that
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/12/europe/ukraine-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-un-warning-intl-hnk/index.html
United Nations (CNN)The "alarming" situation at a Russian-occupied nuclear power plant in southeastern Ukraine had reached a "grave hour," the head of the United Nations' nuclear watchdog said Thursday, as he called for an immediate inspection of the facility by international experts.
International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Director General Rafael Mariano Grossi warned that parts of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant had been knocked out due to recent attacks, risking an "unacceptable" potential radiation leak.
"IAEA experts believe that there is no immediate threat to nuclear safety," but "that could change at any moment," Grossi said.
"Any military action jeopardizing nuclear safety, nuclear security, must stop immediately," he added. "These military actions near to such a large nuclear facility could lead to very serious consequences."
The Zaporizhzhia facility -- the largest nuclear plant in Europe -- occupies an extensive site on the Dnipro river near the Russian-occupied city of Enerhodar. It has continued operating at reduced capacity since Russian forces captured it early in March, with Ukrainian technicians remaining at work.
Seven Russian warplanes were destroyed in huge blasts at Crimean air base, new satellite images show
Seven Russian warplanes were destroyed in huge blasts at Crimean air base, new satellite images show
Russia and Ukraine have so far been unwilling to agree to an IAEA inspection of the plant and have accused each other of shelling the facility -- action the IAEA has said breaches "indispensable nuclear safety and security pillars."
Russia's UN Ambassador Vassily Nebenzia on Thursday blamed Ukraine for the shelling and urged Kyiv's supporters to stop attacks and prevent a disastrous radiation leak.
But Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky pointed the finger at Moscow, which he said was putting all of Europe in danger.
"Only the complete withdrawal of Russians from the territory of the Zaporizhzhia NPP and the restoration of Ukraine's full control over the situation around the plant will guarantee the restoration of nuclear safety for all of Europe," Zelensky said.
Ukraine's nuclear agency Energoatom said 10 shells landed near the complex on Thursday, preventing a shift handover.
"For the safety of nuclear workers, the buses with the personnel of the next shift were turned back to Enerhodar," the agency said. "Until the situation finally normalizes, the workers of the previous shift will continue to work."
Energoatom said radiation levels at the site remained normal, despite renewed attacks.
Several Western and Ukrainian officials believe that Russia is using the giant nuclear facility as a stronghold to shield their troops and mount attacks, because they assume Kyiv will not return fire and risk a crisis.
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US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has accused Moscow of using the plant to shield its forces, while Britain's Defense Ministry said in a recent security assessment that Russia's actions at the complex sabotage the safety of its operations.
The Ukrainian mayor of Enerhodar, Dmytro Orlov, said in late July that Russian forces had been observed using heavy weaponry near the plant because "they know very well that the Ukrainian Armed Forces will not respond to these attacks, as they can damage the nuclear power plant."
The US on Thursday backed Ukraine's calls for a demilitarized zone around the facility, while at the UN, Bonnie Jenkins, US undersecretary for arms control and international affairs, said Russia is responsible for the "nuclear risks" at the plant.
She warned the UN Security Council that "the many consequences of this conflict, including the situation at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, will only end when Russia ends its war."
UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres -- who previously called shelling at the plant "suicidal" -- on Thursday said in a statement he was "gravely concerned."
"We must be clear that any potential damage to Zaporizhzhia or any other nuclear facilities in Ukraine, or anywhere else, could lead to catastrophic consequences not only for the immediate vicinity, but for the region and beyond," he said.
I dont understand the Russians. The wind blows EAST.
Racehorse
08-12-2022, 06:39 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/12/europe/ukraine-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-un-warning-intl-hnk/index.html
I dont understand the Russians. The wind blows EAST.
Russians are as Russians do, to paraphrase Mama Gump.
Lov2fish
08-12-2022, 02:29 PM
What did they expect from Putin? He is merely a thug. America is fighting a proxy war with Russia. Its not about supporting Ukraine, its about power. Always has been, always will be.
What did they expect from Putin? He is merely a thug. America is fighting a proxy war with Russia. Its not about supporting Ukraine, its about power. Always has been, always will be.
That would be NATO and Russia. And Putin getting kicked by the Ukrainians. We are just supporting a democratic country
Lov2fish
08-12-2022, 05:00 PM
That would be NATO and Russia. And Putin getting kicked by the Ukrainians. We are just supporting a democratic country
Correction, we are supplying them with training and high tech weaponry, I.E. proxy war. Kinda like Reagan and the Mujahedeen against Russia in Afghanistan. Which later turned out to bite us right in the sack. This one will turn out better, I'm sure of it...................lol..........
Correction, we are supplying them with training and high tech weaponry, I.E. proxy war. Kinda like Reagan and the Mujahedeen against Russia in Afghanistan. Which later turned out to bite us right in the sack. This one will turn out better, I'm sure of it...................lol..........
All of NATO is involved, not just us. Oh, and that stable genius Putin threatened Finland and Sweden, so they felt they had to pick a side and they chose NATO.
The US needs to be supportive with tech and equipment. The European NATO nations need to take the led, this is in their back yard, And they need to keep the pressure on the Russians.
Racehorse
08-12-2022, 05:35 PM
All of NATO is involved, not just us. Oh, and that stable genius Putin threatened Finland and Sweden, so they felt they had to pick a side and they chose NATO.
The US needs to be supportive with tech and equipment. The European NATO nations need to take the led, this is in their back yard, And they need to keep the pressure on the Russians.
You do know Lov2 is not supporting Russia, right?
You do know Lov2 is not supporting Russia, right?
Yes
Colts And Orioles
08-13-2022, 02:50 PM
What did they expect from Putin? He is merely a thug. America is fighting a proxy war with Russia. Its not about supporting Ukraine, its about power. Always has been, always will be.
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All wars have been, and always will be, about imperialism.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/giant-squid-with-fist-sized-beak-discovered-washed-up-on-beach/ar-AA10LqJJ?cvid=e77fad4fee6d4180b88683126833c8f5
Cool picture in the article.
We’re gonna need a bigger boat
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/ivermectin-among-generic-drugs-that-failed-to-help-covid-19-patients-avoid-hospitalization-large-study-shows/ar-AA10M7Zt?cvid=c3fc687ac84745be8f13df49e17cdfa9
Apparently, if it wasnt designed to work on a virus, it didnt work.
House panel details Trump pressure on FDA for discredited COVID treatment, vaccines
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-panel-details-trump-pressure-on-fda-for-discredited-covid-treatment-vaccines/ar-AA113Ml5?cvid=2d082e6346f64d61964de947bb576b40
Top Trump administration officials pressured the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to reauthorize the discredited COVID-19 treatment hydroxychloroquine, and to speed up the release of the first COVID-19 vaccines, according to a new report Democrats on the House select coronavirus subcommittee released Wednesday.
Emails, text messages and testimony obtained by the committee show the Trump White House “exerted extreme and inappropriate pressure” on the FDA to reauthorize hydroxychloroquine even after it was shown to be ineffective and potentially dangerous.
The report found administration officials like trade adviser Peter Navarro enlisted outside allies like Fox News host Laura Ingraham and daytime TV talk show host Mehmet Oz — now the GOP nominee for Senate in Pennsylvania — to amplify pressure on the FDA to authorize hydroxychloroquine, a drug normally used to treat malaria and lupus, as a COVID-19 treatment.
Hydroxychloroquine has been heavily promoted as a treatment for the virus by Trump allies despite almost no evidence.
Navarro and Steven Hatfill, an adjunct assistant professor at George Washington University brought on by Navarro as an adviser to the coronavirus response, led coordinated attacks on FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn, infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci and other health officials who refused to support hydroxychloroquine.
“Newly released evidence shows that Dr. Hatfill and Mr. Navarro used their direct access to top public health officials in an attempt to strongarm them into supporting hydroxychloroquine,” the report stated.
The FDA issued an emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine in late March 2020, but then revoked it less than three months later.
The report also details how the Trump administration influenced the FDA to deliver misleadingly positive news about convalescent plasma as a coronavirus treatment on the eve of the 2020 Republican National Convention (RNC) and White House attempts to block the FDA from collecting additional safety data on the first coronavirus vaccine in an attempt to ensure that it could be authorized before the 2020 presidential election.
Trump later attacked Hahn, without evidence, for deliberately slowing down the authorizations of the vaccine and convalescent plasma because of politics.
“The Select Subcommittee’s findings that Trump White House officials deliberately and repeatedly sought to bend FDA’s scientific work on coronavirus treatments and vaccines to the White House’s political will are yet another example of how the prior Administration prioritized politics over public health,” Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.), the panel’s chair, said in a statement.
The efforts by members of the Trump administration, including the former president, to meddle with public health agencies has been well documented. However, the report offers new levels of detail on the pressures put on the FDA in 2020.
Clyburn noted the Trump administration’s attacks on public health officials helped contribute to a politicization of science, and reduced the public’s trust in the government.
“These assaults on our nation’s public health institutions undermined the nation’s coronavirus response—and are precisely why we must never again settle for leaders who prioritize politics over keeping Americans safe,” Clyburn said.
In testimony before committee staff, Hahn said he felt pressure because of Navarro’s “persistence” in insisting that hydroxychloroquine worked and should be reauthorized, despite strong evidence to the contrary.
“We took a different stance at the FDA,” Hahn said. “So that disagreement, which of course ultimately became somewhat public, was a source of pressure.”
In an emailed statement, Navarro said the select subcommittee was “wrongly” perpetuating that hydroxychloroquine “was somehow dangerous.”
Navarro also cited excerpts from his memoir that chronicled his clashes with what he described as the “never-Trump FDA.”
The subcommittee report also details how the FDA wanted to advise vaccine manufacturers that the FDA wanted 60 days worth of follow-up patient safety data before applications for emergency use authorization were filed. That request would mean authorization wouldn’t occur until after the November 2020 election.
Trump had repeatedly said the shots would be authorized before Election Day, despite experts and agency scientists signaling it was unlikely.
Hahn told the committee the agency faced “pushback about the issue” from multiple officials, including Trump’s chief of staff, Mark Meadows. Meadows said the White House wouldn’t sign off on the guidance, because of the 60-day requirement.
The agency eventually circumvented the White House by quietly publishing the 60-day data request as part of a larger set of background documents for industry. Meadows later that day told Hahn the White House had cleared the release of the guidance.
Trump later attacked the FDA on Twitter.
“New FDA Rules make it more difficult for them to speed up vaccines for approval before Election Day. Just another political hit job!” Trump wrote, tagging Hahn.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/31/health/life-expectancy-declines-2021/index.html
Colts And Orioles
08-31-2022, 02:47 PM
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When I was in health class in 10th grade in the Spring of 1981, Mr. Racicot told us that Americans were the fattest people in the world ...... 41 years later, Americans may or may not be THE fattest people in the world, but they are certainly up there near the top of the list.
I'm a strong advocate for National Health-Care, like they have in Canada and Great Britain ...... but all of the health-care in the world won't help if people don't exercise enough and have bad diets.
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When I was in health class in 10th grade in the Spring of 1981, Mr. Racicot told us that Americans were the fattest people in the world ...... 41 years later, Americans may or may not be THE fattest people in the world, but they are certainly up there near the top of the list.
I'm a strong advocate for National Health-Care, like they have in Canada and Great Britain ...... but all of the health-care in the world won't help if people don't exercise enough and have bad diets.
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1,000,000+ Americans died from covid in the past 2.5 years. Right now it looks as if it will never go away. So estimates are that 600,000 are going to die from this virus every year. Thats about the same number of annual deaths due to SMOKING.
Crazier still, dying from Covid and smoking can be avoided. But some people cant figure it out.
https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/31/voyager_1_telemetry_data_corrupted/
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NASA knows the "how" but not the why of a telemetry data routing snafu that caused "garbled" information about the 45-year-old Voyager 1 probe's position to be sent to mission controllers on the ground.
The space agency's engineers announced a fix of the issue last night, saying they'd discovered the data was being routed through the wrong place altogether – an onboard computer the team said was "known to have stopped working years ago," which then "corrupted the information."
Calling the fix from billion of miles away the "ultimate telesurgery," Voyager propulsion engineer Todd Barber said the team were "delighted" after being left "flummoxed" over the nonsensical attitude control telemetry. "We couldn't get any health and safety info about the pointing of the spacecraft or any of the thruster operation," he noted.
The ground crew needs data from the venerable 1970s probe's attitude articulation and control system (AACS) to control the spacecraft's orientation. One of the most crucial functions of AACS is to keep Voyager 1's high-gain antenna pointed precisely at Earth, or else it won't be sending any data home.
When the problem first cropped up in "March or April", the Pasadena techies were quick to point out that the craft, which entered interstellar space in 2012 and is currently the farthest human-made object from Earth, was operating normally.
43 years and 14 billion miles later, Voyager 1 still crunching data to reveal secrets of the interstellar medium
Let's go space truckin': 1970s probe Voyager 1 is now 14 billion miles from home
How's your night sky looking? The Reg chats to astroboffin Mark McCaughrean about Starlink and leaving a mark
'That's here. That's home. That's us': It's 30 years since Voyager 1 looked back and squinted at a 'Pale Blue Dot'
It was receiving commands from Earth and executing them, as well as gathering and returning science data, all without any compromise of the signal, suggesting those AACS values were actually in good shape. The team said at the time the data they were receiving didn't actually reflect "any possible state the AACS could be in," adding: "Voyager 1's signal hasn't weakened, either, which suggests the high-gain antenna remains in its prescribed orientation with Earth."
Suzanne Dodd, Voyager's project manager, said that as the team had suspicions about the underlying issue, they opted to try a low-risk solution: commanding the AACS to resume sending the data to the right computer – confirming their thesis as it apparently worked.
It's not yet known why the probe started sending telemetry to the wrong box, but NASA says it is likely it received a faulty command generated by another onboard computer. "If that's the case, it would indicate there is an issue somewhere else on the spacecraft," the JPL team added, saying it would keep looking for the underlying issue, but didn't think it a "threat" to Voyager 1's long-term health.
The fact that we still receive data 45 years later from the craft, currently 22.5 billion kilometers (14 billion miles or about 20 light-hours) away from Earth, is extraordinary, and some of the original team members were on hand to discuss it yesterday.
Voyager probe. Image: NASA/JPL-Caltech
NASA builds for keeps: Voyager mission still going after 45 years
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Propulsion engineer Barber went on to list current issues with the craft. "We lose 4 watts [of power] a year on the spacecraft; things are insanely cold; the propellant lines are about to freeze; we've had computer chip issues," he said, adding that it was "kind of like keeping an old car running – they are geriatric by NASA standards and it's been the hardest engineering I've done in my entire career but also the most fun."
The probe, launched in 1977 and sporting a 3.7-meter-wide (12ft) radio antenna dish, was originally designed to last the five years the agency believed it would take to conduct closeup studies of Jupiter and Saturn, Saturn's rings, and the larger moons of the two planets.
The Register found it interesting that the telemetry problem was disclosed in May, but when the Voyager engineers appeared live yesterday, it seems it may have started much earlier, in March or April, making us wonder about the vetting process for information even on veteran craft. Barber also noted that "we announced the fix today."
Speaking more broadly about Voyager's resilience, deputy project scientist Linda Spilker said during the live Q&A yesterday: "All of the computers are redundant on Voyager and we knew from an earlier flyby of Pioneer going by Jupiter that Jupiter's radiation environment was quite harsh. So we did a lot of things to radiation-harden the two Voyagers and that stood them in good stead not just for their Jupiter flybys but now in interstellar space, where those cosmic rays or high
Amazing what we can do when we just decide to go.
Racehorse
08-31-2022, 05:53 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/31/health/life-expectancy-declines-2021/index.html
Another way Biden is screwing people over in this country
Another way Biden is screwing people over in this country
The data comes from 2021. 1 year of biden. The pandemic is the biggest causation and that is the reason for the biggest drop. If the republicans in office had not fought over masks and vaccinations the deaths could have been cut by 40%.
One year of any administration cant account for this drop. As I posted above, every smoker kicking the habit and increase the number of people getting a flu shot and the numbers go up.
BTW, cut back on booze and we would all be better off. Wow, I just noticed my ice cubes are a little dry, so to quote a movie, “Jobu needs a refill”
Racehorse
08-31-2022, 07:28 PM
The data comes from 2021. 1 year of biden. The pandemic is the biggest causation and that is the reason for the biggest drop. If the republicans in office had not fought over masks and vaccinations the deaths could have been cut by 40%.
One year of any administration cant account for this drop. As I posted above, every smoker kicking the habit and increase the number of people getting a flu shot and the numbers go up.
BTW, cut back on booze and we would all be better off. Wow, I just noticed my ice cubes are a little dry, so to quote a movie, “Jobu needs a refill”
So, this is just more Trump hate. Guess I should not be shocked, coming from you.
So, this is just more Trump hate. Guess I should not be shocked, coming from you.
No, its statistics
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Scroll down to the graph with weekly deaths. The inaction of the trump administration is responsible for a large percentage of Americans dying. It took Trump getting infected to turn him around. He was even booed by his maga followers when he told them to get vaccinated.
Racehorse
09-01-2022, 06:35 AM
No, its statistics
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Scroll down to the graph with weekly deaths. The inaction of the trump administration is responsible for a large percentage of Americans dying. It took Trump getting infected to turn him around. He was even booed by his maga followers when he told them to get vaccinated.
I was halfway joking with my Biden comments, but you are really nuts if you are pointing to Trump on this. You need to seek help for your hate. I suggest a spiritual advisor. The real reason for lower lifespans is about how sedentary we have become. The parents of today are the first generation to not have to do a lot of manual labor, and get very little exercise. Add in the poor diets, and life expectancy goes down, no matter who sits in the Oval Office.
Lov2fish
09-01-2022, 08:16 AM
I was halfway joking with my Biden comments, but you are really nuts if you are pointing to Trump on this. You need to seek help for your hate. I suggest a spiritual advisor. The real reason for lower lifespans is about how sedentary we have become. The parents of today are the first generation to not have to do a lot of manual labor, and get very little exercise. Add in the poor diets, and life expectancy goes down, no matter who sits in the Oval Office.
Self responsibility is not something liberals admire. It's easier to blame everyone around them.
I was halfway joking with my Biden comments, but you are really nuts if you are pointing to Trump on this. You need to seek help for your hate. I suggest a spiritual advisor. The real reason for lower lifespans is about how sedentary we have become. The parents of today are the first generation to not have to do a lot of manual labor, and get very little exercise. Add in the poor diets, and life expectancy goes down, no matter who sits in the Oval Office.
Well I need a little help,then. Put 1/2 :D emojie next time
Head of Russian oil giant Lukoil dies after falling from hospital window, reports state media
. The chairman of Russian oil and gas giant Lukoil — which spoke out against Russia's invasion of Ukraine — has died after falling out of a hospital window, state news agencies RIA Novosti and TASS reported Thursday.
Ravil Maganov died at the Central Clinical Hospital west of Moscow, according to the reports, which cite the hospital and law enforcement sources.
"The incident occurred around 07:00 am Moscow time in the Central Clinical Hospital ... The man fell out of the sixth-floor window and died as a result of his injuries," a source told TASS.
Lukoil confirmed Maganov’s death in a statement published on its website, saying only that the executive died "following a severe illness" and making no mention of a fall.
"We deeply regret to announce that Ravil Maganov, Chairman of PJSC LUKOIL Board of Directors, passed away following a severe illness," the statement read. "Ravil Maganov immensely contributed to the development of not only the Company, but of the entire Russian oil and gas sector."
Holy shit, makes Obama care look good
:eek::eek:
Colts And Orioles
09-01-2022, 10:31 AM
I was halfway joking with my Biden comments, but you are really nuts if you are pointing to Trump on this. You need to seek help for your hate. I suggest a spiritual advisor. The real reason for lower lifespans is about how sedentary we have become. The parents of today are the first generation to not have to do a lot of manual labor, and get very little exercise. Add in the poor diets, and life expectancy goes down, no matter who sits in the Oval Office.
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When I was kid we use to get off of the school bus, run home, throw our books on the bed, and run right back out to play basketball, whiffle ball, touch football, and tackle football ...... today, kids get off of the school bus, run home, and talk to their friends on-line for a few hours.
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Spike
09-01-2022, 10:58 AM
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When I was kid we use to get off of the school bus, run home, throw our books on the bed, and run right back out to play basketball, whiffle ball, touch football, and tackle football ...... today, kids get off of the school bus, run home, and talk to their friends on-line for a few hours.
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When they are done texting and talking to their friends, they play video games.
But yeah, it's Trump's fault.
When they are done texting and talking to their friends, they play video games.
But yeah, it's Trump's fault.
That is their parents fault
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/01/health/ultraprocessed-foods-cancer-early-death-wellness/index.html
Well, shit!
. Eating a lot of ultraprocessed foods significantly increases men's risk of colorectal cancer and can lead to heart disease and early death in both men and women, according to two new, large-scale studies of people in the United States and Italy published Wednesday in British medical journal The BMJ.
Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds
Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds
Ultraprocessed foods include prepackaged soups, sauces, frozen pizza, ready-to-eat meals and pleasure foods such as hot dogs, sausages, french fries, sodas, store-bought cookies, cakes, candies, doughnuts, ice cream and many more.
"Literally hundreds of studies link ultra-processed foods to obesity, cancer, cardiovascular disease, and overall mortality," said Marion Nestle, the Paulette Goddard professor emerita of nutrition, food studies and public health at New York University and author of numerous books on food politics and marketing, including 2015's "Soda Politics: Taking on Big Soda (and Winning)."
"These two studies continue the consistency: Ultraprocessed foods are unambiguously associated with an increased risk for chronic disease," said Nestle, who was not involved in either study.
A link to cancer
The US-based study examined the diets of over 200,000 men and women for up to 28 years and found a link between ultraprocessed foods and colorectal cancer -- the third most diagnosed cancer in the US -- in men, but not women.
Processed and ultraprocessed meats, such as ham, bacon, salami, hotdogs, beef jerkey and corned beef, have long been associated with a higher risk of bowel cancer in both men and women, according to the World Health Organization, American Cancer Society and the American Institute for Cancer Research.
The new study, however, found that all types of ultraprocessed foods played a role to some degree.
Ultra-processed foods now account for two-thirds of calories in the diets of children and teens
Ultra-processed foods now account for two-thirds of calories in the diets of children and teens
"We found that men in the highest quintile of ultraprocessed food consumption, compared those in the lowest quintile, had a 29% higher risk of developing colorectal cancer," said co-senior author Fang Fang Zhang, a cancer epidemiologist and chair of the division of nutrition epidemiology and data science at the Friedman School of Nutrition Science and Policy at Tufts University in Boston.
That association remained even after researchers took into account a person's body mass index or dietary quality.
Why didn't the new study find the same risk for colorectal cancer in women?
"Reasons for such a sex difference are still unknown, but may involve the different roles that obesity, sex hormones, and metabolic hormones play in men versus women," Zhang said.
"Alternatively, women may have chosen 'healthier' ultraprocessed foods," said Dr. Robin Mendelsohn, a gastroenterologist at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York City, who was not involved in the study.
The study did find that eating a "higher consumption of ultraprocessed dairy foods -- such as yogurt -- was associated with a lower risk of colorectal cancer in women," Zhang said. "Some ultraprocessed foods are healthier, such as whole-grain foods that contain little or no added sugars, and yogurt and dairy foods."
Women did have a higher risk for colorectal cancer if they consumed more ready-to-eat-or-heat dishes such as pizza, she said. However, men were more likely to have a higher risk of bowel cancer if they ate a lot of meat, poultry, or seafood-based ready-to-eat products and sugar-sweetened beverages, Zhang said.
Children who eat more ultra-processed food gain weight more quickly, study suggests
Children who eat more ultra-processed food gain weight more quickly, study suggests
"Americans consume a large percentage of their daily calories from ultraprocessed foods -- 58% in adults and 67% in children," she added. "We should consider substituting the ultraprocessed foods with unprocessed or minimally processed foods in our diet for cancer prevention and prevention of obesity and cardiovascular diseases."
A link to early death
The second study followed more than 22,000 people for a dozen years in the Molise region of Italy. The study, which began in March 2005, was designed to assess risk factors for cancer as well as heart and brain disease.
How processed food drives diet-related diseases
How processed food drives diet-related diseases
Analysis published in The BMJ compared the role of nutrient-poor foods -- such as foods high in sugar and saturated or trans-fats -- versus ultraprocessed foods in the development of chronic disease and early death. Researchers found that both types of foods independently increased the risk of an early death, especially from cardiovascular diseases.
However, when researchers compared the two types of food to see which contributed the most, they discovered that ultra-processed foods were "paramount to define the risk of mortality," said first author Marialaura Bonaccio, an epidemiologist at the department of epidemiology and prevention at the IRCCS Neurologico Mediterraneo Neuromed of Pozzilli, Italy.
In fact, over 80% of the foods classified by the guidelines followed in the study as nutritionally unhealthy were also ultraprocessed, said Bonaccio in a statement.
"This suggests that the increased risk of mortality is not due directly (or exclusively) to the poor nutritional quality of some products, but rather to the fact that these foods are mostly ultraprocessed," Bonaccio added.
Not real foods
Why are ultraprocessed foods so bad for us? For one, they are "ready-to-eat-or-heat industrial formulations that are made with ingredients extracted from foods or synthesized in laboratories, with little or no whole foods," Zhang told CNN.
Choose anti-inflammatory foods to lower heart disease and stroke risk, study says
Choose anti-inflammatory foods to lower heart disease and stroke risk, study says
These overly processed foods are often high in added sugars and salt, low in dietary fiber, and full of chemical additives, such as artificial colors, flavors or stabilizers.
"While some ultraprocessed foods may be considered healthier than others, in general, we would recommend staying away from ultra-processed foods completely and focus on healthy unprocessed foods -- fruits, vegetables, legumes," Mendelsohn said.
In 2019, the National Institute of Health (NIH) published the results of a controlled clinical trial comparing a processed and unprocessed diet. Researchers found those on the ultraprocessed diet ate at a faster rate -- and ate an additional 500 calories more per day than people who were eating unprocessed foods.
"On average, participants gained 0.9 kilograms, or 2 pounds while they were on the ultraprocessed diet and lost an equivalent amount on the unprocessed diet," the NIH noted.
"There is clearly something about ultraprocessed foods that makes people eat more of them without necessarily wanting to or realizing." said Nestle.
"The effects of ultraprocessed foods are quite clear. The reasons for the effects are not yet known," Nestle continued. "It would be nice to know why, but until we find out, it's best to advise eating ultraprocessed foods in as small amounts as possible."
Next thing, they will tell us to cut down on booze
Spike
09-01-2022, 04:33 PM
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I agree completely ...... and the final 2 games of the regular season that the Colts lost to the Raiders and the Jaguars last year ??? That was that orange-haired creep's fault, also.
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Trump's fault the Colts lost those last 2 games was Trump's fault??????
That's complete BS C&O. People who make choices based on what any politician says, are just fucking dumb, both dem's and republicans.
There was enough information out there for everyone to make their own choice. Blaming Trump is so fucking lame.
But, I guess liberals are going to continue to blame Trump for everything. Let's add cancer, TB, Aids, monkey pox, alzheimers, knee injuries, etc to the fucking list.
Racehorse
09-01-2022, 06:17 PM
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When I was kid we use to get off of the school bus, run home, throw our books on the bed, and run right back out to play basketball, whiffle ball, touch football, and tackle football ...... today, kids get off of the school bus, run home, and talk to their friends on-line for a few hours.
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I actually ran home and omitted the bus ride. The rest you said is very true.
Racehorse
09-01-2022, 06:22 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/01/health/ultraprocessed-foods-cancer-early-death-wellness/index.html
Well, shit!
Next thing, they will tell us to cut down on booze
They used to tell us butter would kill us, so we needed to switch to margarine. They have since reversed their thinking. Same with a lot of other things.
Racehorse
09-01-2022, 06:24 PM
Since C&O doesn't like Jaff spamming this sub-forum, should we all suggest Jaff put his dumb posts here instead?
Lov2fish
09-01-2022, 07:10 PM
Since C&O doesn't like Jaff spamming this sub-forum, should we all suggest Jaff put his dumb posts here instead?
To bad nowhere at all is not an option.
omahacolt
09-01-2022, 09:18 PM
That is their parents fault
is it?
or is the world changing and us old fucks don't really get it
Spike
09-02-2022, 07:40 AM
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I can't believe that you didn't detect the sarcasm/facetiousness of that post ....... maybe I can sell you a bridge in Brooklyn for 20 dollars.
OK, I will LITERALLY spell it out for you, Spike ...... no, the Colts losing their final 2 regular season games last year was not Donald Trump's fault. It was a joke, as you yourself alluded to Jaff blaming Donald Trump for everything.
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Usually, I can detect sarcasm C&O, but it's really hard to tell anymore when it comes to Trump. I'm not putting you in this category, but there are a lot of ignorant liberals who think Trump is the reason for every woe on earth.
is it?
or is the world changing and us old fucks don't really get it
Yes its changing. I believe more kids are raising themselves with very little parental supervision
omahacolt
09-03-2022, 10:14 AM
Yes its changing. I believe more kids are raising themselves with very little parental supervision
thats not the case for the parents i know.
but all kids are on devices a lot. i think that is just the new normal.
Colts And Orioles
09-03-2022, 10:22 AM
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When I was kid we use to get off of the school bus, run home, throw our books on the bed, and run right back out to play basketball, whiffle ball, touch football, and tackle football ...... today, kids get off of the school bus, run home, and talk to their friends on-line for a few hours.
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The master sums it up, in a nutshell ......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSDU8Laoi2U
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Butter
09-15-2022, 02:11 AM
They used to tell us butter would kill us, so we needed to switch to margarine. They have since reversed their thinking. Same with a lot of other things.
I might still kill most of you.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-ny-attorney-general-civil-lawsuit/index.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/art-of-the-steal-experts-say-trump-pleading-the-5th-in-ny-ag-probe-backfired-now-he-s-screwed/ar-AA125ZaS?ocid=EMMX&cvid=0c97f9a6d4ea4854b11b8e8b1aa1d4d7
https://www.wflx.com/2022/09/20/special-master-trump-docs-probe-signals-intent-move-quickly/
Cant just think about declassifying it
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/22/politics/republican-reaction-trump-secret-records/index.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-judge-backtracks-after-court-rebuke-legal-experts-say-it-may-sink-his-chance-to-appeal/ar-AA12b1QT?cvid=a5f8f33fc38d4d11b16a8d6d6c6e15e7
. District Judge Aileen Cannon on Thursday struck portions of her special master ruling barring the Justice Department from investigating former President Donald Trump just hours after the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ripped apart her decision to halt the criminal probe.
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The three-judge panel — which included two Trump appointees — said Cannon, a fellow Trump-appointee, "abused" her discretion by barring the DOJ from continuing to investigate the classified documents seized from Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence and allowed investigators to resume their probe.
"For our part, we cannot discern why Plaintiff would have an individual interest in or need for any of the one-hundred documents with classification markings," the panel said. "Classified documents are marked to show they are classified, for instance, with their classification level."
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Cannon on Thursday issued a revised order stating that the special master in the case would review all documents "except the approximately one-hundred documents bearing classification markings." She also struck two portions from her original order preventing the DOJ from probing the classified documents during the special master review and requiring them to disclose the materials to the special master.
Some legal experts, like NYU Law Professor Ryan Goodman, say that Cannon's revised order essentially "erased Trump's chance to appeal to Supreme Court."
Steve Vladeck, a federal courts expert at the University of Texas School of Law, explained that Cannon's amendment doesn't "formally" kill Trump's ability to ask the court to vacate the stay — since the stay is still out there — but in practical terms, it makes it impossible.
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"Cannon's amendment moots DOJ's appeal, and means Trump can't show any harm — let alone irreparable harm — that the Eleventh Circuit's stay is causing," he explained on Twitter. "So there's still *technically* a stay for #SCOTUS to vacate, but no possible legal justification for asking the Court to do so."
Former appellate lawyer Teri Kanefield agreed that "changing the order moots Trump's appeal to SCOTUS."
"I suspect that [Cannon] doesn't like being overturned on appeal and wants to avoid more appellate thrashings," Kanefield said.
Even if Trump does appeal, legal experts say he will likely lose.
"I know some justices have stunned us before, but I see no way they overrule 11th Circuit on this issue," tweeted Barbara McQuade, a former U.S. attorney and law professor at the University of Michigan.
Vladeck agreed that the odds of there being five votes to override the ruling — even on a court stacked with Trump appointees — are "exceedingly close to zero."
Former US Acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal explained that Trump can attempt to go to the US Supreme Court but "it's a loser every day of the week." He added that the former president got "obliterated" by the appellate court and that they confirmed what legal experts have been saying, "the whole declassification thing is a red herring."
https://www.salon.com/2022/10/19/legal-experts-mock-failed-durham-probe-no-other-prosecutor-has-ever-posted-such-a-dismal-record/
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Special counsel John Durham, who was appointed by Trump Attorney General Bill Barr to investigate the origins of the Russia probe, ended his three-year investigation after failing to convict yet another frequent target of former President Donald Trump.
Igor Danchenko, a think tank analyst who provided much of the research for the infamous Christopher Steele dossier, was acquitted Tuesday on charges of lying to the FBI about where he got his information.
The defeat marked likely the final blow of his investigation, though Durham is expected to submit a report to the Justice Department later this year.
Durham was appointed in 2019 by Barr. His first two cases ended in an acquittal and a guilty plea with a sentence of probation.
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After nine hours of deliberations for over two days, the jury reached its verdict on Tuesday. Despite Trump and his supporters' claims that the Durham inquiry would reveal a "deep state" conspiracy against him, the three-year investigation failed to produce evidence of such a conspiracy.
"While we are disappointed in the outcome, we respect the jury's decision and thank them for their service," Durham said in a statement. "I also want to recognize and thank the investigators and the prosecution team for their dedicated efforts in seeking truth and justice in this case."
So far, no one charged by Durham has ended up in prison and only one government employee has pleaded guilty to a criminal offense, according to the Washington Post.
Legal experts mocked the legacy of Trump's failed Durham probe and called out his record in court.
"Wow. Don't think any other special counsel or independent prosecutor has ever posted such a dismal record," tweeted former U.S. Attorney Harry Litman.
Neal Katyal, a former Acting Solicitor General, added that "Durham wins about as much as every other Trump lawyer."
Former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti also took a jab at the special counsel's career, adding that "Many federal prosecutors have lost fewer trials in their entire career than John Durham lost in the past year alone."
"It is apparent that his judgment is poor and that he overcharged these cases. His use of the legally meaningless 'no collusion' phrase at trial betrays his bias," he wrote.
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"Along the lines of the late Sec. Raymond Donovan's famous question— 'Which office do I go to to get my reputation back?'—I'd like to ask, where do we taxpayers go to get our money back for Durham's frivolous, ridiculous, and politically motivated frolic and detour?" tweeted conservative attorney George Conway.
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Others, like former U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance White, described the Durham investigation as a "complete bust".
It is "an abject lesson in what happens when the Justice Department is weaponized to do a president's political bidding. It will be held up to generations of prosecutors as a cautionary tale about what not to do," Vance wrote.
CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin called the investigation a "disgrace" and a "fiasco".
"Two acquittals at trial in a system where the feds win 95% of their cases. Trump and Barr said Durham would prove the Russia investigation unjustified. He's proven the opposite," he tweeted.
National security attorney Bradley Moss recalled right-wing claims that the "Durham probe was going to indict half the Beltway and send all kinds of evil Trump haters to jail." But, Moss wrote, "Durham couldn't convict a ham sandwich."
Lov2fish
10-20-2022, 08:51 PM
Man, Trump lives rent free in so many fucking heads of the left. Been out of office two years and he is still the focal point of the left. I wish that fucking dude would fall out of the limelight, and the left just fall off the earth. Let me rephrase that, the woke liberal retards. I'm fine with the old republicans and democrats. The modern right and left? Holy shit what a bunch of twisted m'fers.
omahacolt
10-23-2022, 10:29 AM
Man, Trump lives rent free in so many fucking heads of the left. Been out of office two years and he is still the focal point of the left. I wish that fucking dude would fall out of the limelight, and the left just fall off the earth. Let me rephrase that, the woke liberal retards. I'm fine with the old republicans and democrats. The modern right and left? Holy shit what a bunch of twisted m'fers.
well to be fair, trump is still in the news constantly. with all his traitorous behavior coming to light
has to be tough to be a trump supporter these days
Colts And Orioles
10-23-2022, 07:38 PM
Well to be fair, trump is still in the news constantly, with all his traitorous behavior coming to light.
Has to be tough to be a Trump supporter these days.
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If the people who supported Trump in the first place weren't embarrassed about doing so, they won't stop supporting him in the second place, regardless of his behavior and/or what he says ...... he could say that Nazi Germany was the most progressive society of the 20th century, and his supporters wouldn't blink an eye.
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Racehorse
10-23-2022, 07:44 PM
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If the people who supported Trump in the first place weren't embarrassed about doing so, they won't stop supporting him in the second place, regardless of his behavior and/or what he says ...... he could say that Nazi Germany was the most progressive society of the 20th century, and his supporters wouldn't blink an eye.
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I voted for him because it was him or Hillary. He has a cult-like following from some people, and it is as scary as when democrats called Obama the Messiah. Why do people worship politicians? It makes no sense to me at all.
Lov2fish
10-25-2022, 08:58 AM
I voted for him because it was him or Hillary. He has a cult-like following from some people, and it is as scary as when democrats called Obama the Messiah. Why do people worship politicians? It makes no sense to me at all.
You'll never convince a statist, left or right that the government is bad. They truly believe their party will make a difference. When you have people who truly believe that, we the people are fucked!
Colts And Orioles
11-11-2022, 01:13 PM
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OK, I have some stupid shit to contribute ...... and fittingly, I will use one of the biggest garbage/rag newspapers on the East Coast as a citation.
Trump now Raging Against Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin, Bizarrely Says His Name ‘Sounds Chinese’
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https://nypost.com/2022/11/11/trump-turns-rage-on-va-gov-youngkin-says-name-sounds-chinese/
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So, how did the election go? I was busy this week?
Colts And Orioles
11-13-2022, 01:57 PM
So, how did the election go ??? I was busy this week.
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It depends on who you listen to ...... according to Donald Trump, he is about halfway through his 2nd term as the President of the United States.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/supreme-court-rules-donald-trump-must-turn-over-taxes-to-house-committee/ar-AA14qHm0?cvid=152b34e4829e4860a0c83eba178682a1
Supreme Court rules Donald Trump must turn over taxes to House committee
The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday denied former President Donald Trump's request to block an appeals court order that he surrender his tax returns and other financial records to the House Ways and Means Committee.
The move would appear to be the end of the road for Trump in the yearslong saga of a House subpoena for his tax records in the stated interest of drafting oversight legislation.
"The Treasury Department will comply with the Court of Appeals' decision," a Treasury Department spokesperson said in a statement in response to Tuesday's high court action but declined to say when exactly it would provide Trump's records to the House Ways and Means Committee.
The Democratic-controlled committee has argued that -- by the court's own guidelines laid out in a 2020 ruling in the same ongoing dispute -- judges must defer to the legitimate legislative purpose behind a request for information. They said that standard was plainly met in this case.
"We knew the strength of our case, we stayed the course, followed the advice of counsel, and finally, our case has been affirmed by the highest court in the land," chairman Richard Neal, D-Mass., said in a statement reacting Tuesday. "Since the Magna Carta, the principle of oversight has been upheld, and today is no different. This rises above politics, and the Committee will now conduct the oversight that we've sought for the last three and a half years."
Supreme Court rules Donald Trump must turn over taxes to House committee
Supreme Court rules Donald Trump must turn over taxes to House committee
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While Trump claimed the subpoena is a politically motivated fishing expedition, the committee said the documents are critical for drafting "legislation on equitable tax administration, including legislation on the President's tax compliance."
On Nov. 1, Chief Justice John Roberts granted a temporary administrative stay of a lower court order regarding Trump's tax returns and other financial records.
MORE: Supreme Court temporarily blocks House committee from getting Donald Trump's tax returns
The committee had requested six years' worth of Trump's returns as part of an investigation into IRS audit practices of presidents and vice presidents.
In his petition to the Supreme Court, Trump accused the committee of seeking his taxes under false pretenses.
"The Committee's purpose in requesting President Trump's tax returns has nothing to do with funding or staffing issues at the IRS and everything to do with releasing the President's tax information to the public," the petition said.
A federal appeals court ruled in August that tax returns should be handed over to the House committee. The committee first sought the returns in 2019.
Trump most recently failed to block the request on Thursday when the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals shot down his request to reconsider an unanimous opinion from one of its three-judge panels approving the committee's access to the documents.
MORE: Trump's tax returns given to Manhattan prosecutors
While Trump's team claims the panel's bid to obtain the tax returns is purely political, the committee insists the documents are valuable to assess how the Internal Revenue Service performs. presidential audits.
At the heart of the dispute is a federal tax law mandating that the Treasury Department "shall furnish" tax information requested by the Ways and Means Committee, a law Trump's lawyers suggest is unconstitutional.
Democrats have been clamoring to get a glimpse of Trump's tax returns since 2015 when he launched his bid for president and broke decades of precedent by not releasing the documents.
Besides having his personal tax returns sought after, Trump is also facing pressure by criminal probes into his personal business, possession of government documents after leaving office and efforts to block the certification of the 2020 election results.
Trump rebuffed by judge in New York fraud lawsuit, trial date
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NEW YORK (Reuters) - A New York judge has scheduled an October 2023 trial for former U.S. President Donald Trump, three of his adult children and the Trump Organization in a lawsuit brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James accusing them of fraudulently overvaluing the real estate company's assets and Trump's net worth.
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Justice Arthur Engoron of the state Supreme Court in Manhattan set the trial date during a contentious hearing on Tuesday following motions by the Trumps the night before to have the civil lawsuit dismissed.
"I ruled on all these issues. It seems to me the facts are the same. The law is the same. Parties are the same," Engoron told Alina Habba, Trump's lawyer. "You can't keep making the same argument after you've already lost."
Habba had accused the judge of bias. Trump, a Republican, has accused James, a Democrat, of suing him because she dislikes him and his politics.
In her lawsuit filed on Sept. 21, James accused Trump, his company, his children Donald Jr, Eric and Ivanka and others of inflating Trump's assets by billions of dollars in a decade of lies to banks and insurers. James called the fraud "staggering."
The complaint seeks $250 million in damages. It also seeks to stop the Trumps from running businesses in the state and ban Trump and his company from acquiring New York real estate for five years.
Engoron is expected to rule on the motions to dismiss by early January. Trump is already appealing Engoron's order requiring an independent watchdog to monitor his company.
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The trial, scheduled for Oct. 2, 2023, and other legal issues could complicate Trump's campaign, announced last week, for the presidency in 2024.
The Trump Organization is now on trial in another Manhattan courtroom on criminal tax fraud charges.
In addition, U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland last week named a special counsel to oversee two criminal investigations, one related to the FBI's seizure of government documents from Trump's Florida home and the other examining Trump's role in efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election.
Trump also faces a criminal investigation in Georgia into whether he interfered with the 2020 election results in that state.
He has called these cases and investigations politically motivated, and has labeled Engoron a "puppet judge" for James.
In seeking to dismiss the case filed by James, Trump maintained that the attorney general lacked authority to pursue a lawsuit designed to "get" him when neither the public nor the marketplace was harmed.
"Who stands to gain from this highly-politicized farse [sic], aside from the politically-compromised Attorney General of the State of New York?" Trump's filing said.
Other defendants also urged dismissals.
Lawyers for Trump's sons called the lawsuit a "textbook example of throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks." Ivanka Trump's lawyers said there were no allegations that she lied to or defrauded anyone.
The Trump Organization's former longtime Chief Financial Officer Allen Weisselberg and its Controller Jeffrey McConney also sought dismissals of claims against them. Both testified as prosecution witnesses in the Manhattan criminal trial in which prosecutors accused the company of engaging in tax fraud spanning 15 years.
Lov2fish
11-22-2022, 09:34 PM
I never understood the fascination with seeing a Potus tax returns. I never cared about any of them showing their returns. I would be more pissed on why we keep sending aide to foreign countries and shaking down American citizens through audits etc. to broaden the tax coffers.
Our government will borrow money we do not have, and send it to a foreign country where it will ultimately end up in the hands of dictators, and never a chance of getting any of it back. Yet if you owe the government money they will lien your home, levy your bank account and send men with guns to haul your ass to prison. Yea, makes perfect sense to me. Fuck all those corrupt mother fuckers.
Colts And Orioles
11-23-2022, 10:52 AM
I never understood the fascination with seeing a Potus tax returns. I never cared about any of them showing their returns. I would be more pissed on why we keep sending aide to foreign countries and shaking down American citizens through audits etc. to broaden the tax coffers.
Our government will borrow money we do not have, and send it to a foreign country where it will ultimately end up in the hands of dictators, and never a chance of getting any of it back. Yet if you owe the government money they will lien your home, levy your bank account and send men with guns to haul your ass to prison. Yea, makes perfect sense to me. Fuck all those corrupt mother-fuckers.
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Joe Louis donated his entire purses from two fights to the Army and Navy relief societies in 1942. The total sum of theses purses was $100,000, or almost $2 Million in 2022 money.
The US government repaid him by hounding him for back-taxes for the last 32 years of his life between 1949 and 1981. That was the reason why he made ill-fated comebacks which resulted in losses to Ezzard Charles and Rocky Marciano after he had initially retired as the world champion after his win over Jersey Joe Walcott in 1948.
The IRS Hounded Joe Louis into Poverty
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I never understood the fascination with seeing a Potus tax returns. I never cared about any of them showing their returns. I would be more pissed on why we keep sending aide to foreign countries and shaking down American citizens through audits etc. to broaden the tax coffers.
Our government will borrow money we do not have, and send it to a foreign country where it will ultimately end up in the hands of dictators, and never a chance of getting any of it back. Yet if you owe the government money they will lien your home, levy your bank account and send men with guns to haul your ass to prison. Yea, makes perfect sense to me. Fuck all those corrupt mother fuckers.
1. Donny has been implicated by his CEO of tax fraud. He was found guilty of fraud with his Trump academy and trump charities, forced to close it down. I pay taxes and their is evidence that Donnie is a tax cheat. You want a president who laughs at honest citizens, while not paying what he owes?
2. There is evidence he has miss used campaign money. In other words he is using money not intended for his own personal use. He is living off of the $5 and $10 donations of his deluded followers
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/defense-off-to-a-rough-start-in-trump-org-trial-as-judge-sends-jurors-out-of-the-room-during-opener/ar-AA13Atje?cvid=e05f142e938b4746a999e8e36b3a1cc0
According to Vice's Greg Walters who is live-tweeting the trial of the Trump Organization over accusations of criminal tax fraud, things did not start well fro Donald Trump's legal team.
The trial with Trump Chief Financial Officer Allen Weisselberg at the center of accusations of providing employees with benefits in an effort to avoid being taxed, kicked off on Monday with a prosecutor telling the 12-person jury, that "benefits that covered their personal expenses 'was a clever scheme; it just wasn’t legal,'" which then took an awkward turn when the defense began their presentation.
According to Walters, Trump Corp lawyer Susan Necheles was speaking when Judge Juan Merchan interrupted.
"Judge Juan Merchan pauses the defense lawyer's opening statement, releasing jurors out of the room for 15 minutes, saying he understands 'some of you' need a break," Walters wrote. "Judge Merchan then cautions the lawyers in the room not to explain the law (after Trump Org lawyers claimed the case was really only about cheating on personal income taxes)."
He then added Merchan stated, "I will permit you to say that he acted solely for his benefit, and that’s it. It’s a confusing area of the law, and for them to get confused at this point is not going to help anybody.”
Walters continued, "Man, I have never seen a judge excuse a jury for 15 minutes in the middle of an opening argument. For those who've never sat through a trial before, lawyers DO NOT like to be disrupted while making these openers. It's their chance to paint the big picture for the jury."
He then suggested, "Like, multiple sustained objections (3x so far) are one thing, but a lengthy break in the middle is just... weird. It seems a juror, or more than one, needed a break (relatable). But I think it's fair to say this not an auspicious start for the Trump Org defense."
Wow. Great start for donnie
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/oath-keepers-trial-verdict/index.html
Hope they throw away the key
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Donald Trump failed to disclose a $19.8m loan from a company with historical ties to North Korea, while he was the US president, according to a new report.
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Documents obtained by the New York attorney general, and reported by Forbes, on Sunday indicate a previously unreported loan owed by Trump to Daewoo, the South Korean conglomerate.
Related: Jurors in Trump Organization tax fraud trial set to begin deliberations
Daewoo was the only South Korean company allowed to operate a business in North Korea during the mid-1990s.
Forbes revealed that Trump’s relationship with Daewoo is at least 25 years old. At one point, Daewoo partnered with Trump on a development project near the United Nations headquarters in New York City, Trump World Tower.
Trump and Daewoo continued to do business together, including using Trump’s name on six South Korea-based properties from 1999 to 2007, according to the magazine.
Trump Organization found guilty on multiple counts of criminal tax fraud
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/politics/trump-organization-fraud-trial-verdict/index.html
Im shocked, shocked that there was fraud going on.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cash-grab-knives-out-in-trumpworld-as-his-closest-allies-rage-over-his-worthless-nft-stunt/ar-AA15n3Rx?cvid=f9e6084cefbb4f179de3a74b3f5acb87
Former President Donald Trump's "major announcement" that ended up being $99 non-fungible tokens (NFTs) has frustrated even his closest supporters, making him the target of ridicule online.
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The cash grab had many of his opponents and supporters rolling their eyes, with some criticizing Trump for not focusing on his 2024 reelection campaign, and calling on him to fire the person who thought of the NFT idea.
"I can't watch it again, make it stop," conservative host Steve Bannon said of the video of Trump promoting the NFTs on his podcast. "Anybody on the comms team and anybody at Mar-a-Lago — and I love the folks down there — but we're at war. They oughta be fired today."
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Trump supporter John Cardillo took to Twitter to complain about the former president's "weird" announcement. "I supported Trump for years but this is ridiculous," he wrote on Thursday. "Pushing a worthless NFT for $99 a week before Christmas on the heels of the #FTX collapse is beyond wrong. Who advised him to do this?" Cardillo called the announcement "ridiculously tacky" on Twitter, adding that Trump "can't help himself in making these unforced errors."
Former Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn said on the conservative video hosting platform Rumble that he would fire whoever advised Trump "immediately."
"I can't believe I'm going to jail for an NFT salesman," tweeted far-right media personality Baked Alaska, who pleaded guilty to unlawfully protesting on Jan. 6.
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Trump announced the cards on Truth Social, writing "AMERICA NEEDS A SUPERHERO." The sold-out NFTs featured images of Trump in a variety of muscular costumes posing in front of various backgrounds with MAGA iconography. Some cards feature the former president ripping off his shirt, or surrounded by raining gold bricks that read TRUMP.
Former Trump advisers Sebastian Gorka and Steve Cortes joined Bannon on his "War Room" podcast and agreed that the president should have stayed far away from this stunt.
"The president should not be involved with this," said Gorka. "Whoever wrote that pitch should be fired and should never be involved" in Trump's 2024 reelection campaign.
Far-right talk show host Ben Shapiro sarcastically mocked Trump's move, tweeting "Thank God, the digital trading cards are here. It was indeed a MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT."
Some also took the NFTs as a sign of Trump's political decline, including conservative streamer Tim Pool who tweeted that the former president is "basically retired."
"Demand improvement. Put the pom poms down," tweeted talk show host Jesse Kelly. "We need a better Trump."
Even QAnon supporters had enough of Trump's antics, calling his announcement a "foolish NFT cash grab," according to a report from Vice. "QAnon John," a conspiracy theory influencer, called the NFTs "tone deaf to a VAST MAJORITY of Trump's base."
Despite the widespread criticism and mockery, Trump's die-hard fans still rushed to get their trading cards. The 45,000 NFTs that were initially available are now sold out, with some being traded for more than $8,000.
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Trump sells out of his NFT 'trading cards' depicting him as a hero, raking in over $1 million: report
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Donald Trump's recent "major" announcement was that he was selling NFT 'trading cards' of himself.
The NFTs were originally priced at $99 each, but some sold for thousands of dollars.
The cards sold out early Friday and some buyers were entered to win a "priceless" meeting at Mar-a-Lago.
5 controversial World Cup VAR decisions explained: Japan's controversial keep-in, Uruguay's phantom handball
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5 controversial World Cup VAR decisions explained: Japan's controversial keep-in, Uruguay's phantom handball
There have a number of controversial decisions involving Video Assistant Referees at the World Cup.
The most recent came on Thursday as Japan beat Spain 2-1.
Below, we take a look at biggest incidents involving the technology at the tournament.
Japan pulled off a brilliant comeback to beat Spain 2-1 and book its place in the knockout rounds of the World Cup in Qatar on Thursday, but the victory wasn't without a bit of controversy.
Spain had taken the lead early in the first half through Alvaro Morata, before being pegged back just after the break by Japan substitute Ritsu Doan.
Moments after Doan's equalizer, Ao Tanaka then bundled the ball into the net to give Japan the lead, but the referee initially ruled no goal, as the ball had appeared to go out of play before Kaoru Mitoma cut the ball back to Tanaka.
After a short consultation with the Video Assistant Referee (VAR), however, the goal was deemed good.
Though from the angles provided by television cameras, the ball looked completely out, the VAR, Fernando Guerrero of Mexico, concluded that the curvature of the ball was still overhanging the line, meaning, by the letter of the law, the ball was still in play when Mitoma touched it.
After the match, Spain head coach Luis Enrique made the astonishing claim that the photo picturing the ball in play "must have been tampered."
"It cannot be that this photo is real," he said. "It has to be manipulated."
Japan head coach Hajime Moriyasu disagreed. "There is great technology nowadays," he said. "If it were really out it would have been a goal-kick."
This isn't the only VAR decision to have caused controversy at this year's World Cup.
Below, we take a look at biggest incidents involving the technology at the tournament and explain the resulting decisions.
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Donald Trump's latest campaign stunt was selling non-fungible token (NFT) "trading cards" of himself. Prices of the cards rose from $99 into the thousands of dollars before selling out completely early Friday morning as supporters flocked to the site.
"Don't Wait. They will be gone, I believe, very quickly!" Trump posted on Truth Social at the time of the release.
Trump's "major" announcement came on Thursday when he released limited edition virtual trading cards, which he likened to baseball cards.
Related video: Trump launches NFTs with bizarre claim he was better president than Lincoln and Washington (Dailymotion)
The trading cards, which were licensed and owned by NFT INT LLC, not Trump or the Trump Organization, featured images Trump says pertain to his own life, showing him as a racecar driver, astronaut, boxer, sheriff, and elephant rider.
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One card featuring Trump holding the Statue of Liberty's torch, was selling for nearly $24,000, according to Open Sea. The entire collection has brought in over $1 million, according to reporting by Coin Desk, which will go directly to Trump, rather than his presidential campaign.
There were 45,000 digital cards created and prepped for sale on their website. Buyers were entered into a sweepstakes at the time of purchase where they could win "priceless" prizes, including a dinner with Trump in Miami, a group cocktail hour at Mar-A-Lago, a one-on-one meeting with the 45th president, a game of golf with Trump and friends, Zoom sessions, and signed memorabilia.
Winners of the prizes are responsible for covering their own traveling and lodging costs, according to the project's website. The fine print also states that there is no purchase necessary to enter.
The cards were criticized even by some of Trump's fiercest defenders. Former Trump advisor Steve Bannon, who featured right-wing commentators Sebastian Gorka and Steve Cotes on his "War Room" show Thursday, said Trump may be "one of the greatest presidents ever," but the person who came up with the idea "ought to be fired today."
"The president should not be involved with this," Gorka said agreeing with Bannon. "Whoever wrote that pitch should be fired and should never be involved."
Michael Flynn, a former national security advisor to Trump, also said on the "Prophets and Patriots" radio show Thursday, that Trump should fire whoever advised him on this "immediately."
The original profit estimate for the creators of the NFTs was around $4.5 million and it is still unclear as to whether Trump will be receiving any sales profits.
Lov2fish
12-16-2022, 05:27 PM
$4.5 million in 24 hours? I ain't even mad. lol. Shit, I would sale some of mine for fifty nine cents. lol
omahacolt
12-16-2022, 06:01 PM
$4.5 million in 24 hours? I ain't even mad. lol. Shit, I would sale some of mine for fifty nine cents. lol
how many trump cards did you buy
Lov2fish
12-16-2022, 07:46 PM
how many trump cards did you buy
Now that is funny.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/15/inside-the-war-between-trump-and-his-generals
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/revealed-further-evidence-shows-ex-prez-donald-trump-stole-copyrighted-images-for-newly-launched-digital-trading-card-nft-collection/ar-AA15s09x?ocid=EMMX&cvid=75331b97d57f4066aac7ac100a636876
Newly surfaced evidence suggests Donald Trump stole copyrighted images to create his recently launched “digital trading card” NFT collection, RadarOnline.com has learned.
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The sudden development comes just days after the former president was accused of photoshopping stolen images from small-scale clothing brands from across the country to form the basis of his NFT venture.
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According to Daily Mail, the majority of 4,500 digital trading cards already sold by Trump “appear to be based on unlicensed, copyrighted photos.”
Even more shocking are the allegations many images were taken straight from high-profile companies such as Men’s Warehouse, Amazon, and Walmart.
One NFT already sold by Trump, featuring the embattled businessman-turned-politician dressed as a fighter pilot, was allegedly taken straight from a Shutterstock image.
Another digital trading card, featuring Trump dressed as an astronaut, was allegedly taken directly from NASA.
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As RadarOnline.com previously reported, former President Trump was already accused of stealing images to form the basis for his newly launched NFT collection from small companies with an online presence across the nation.
A committee in the US House of Representatives has voted to make public six years of Donald Trump's tax returns.
US lawmakers vote to release Trump tax returns
US lawmakers vote to release Trump tax returns
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The move caps a nearly four-year legal battle by Democrats to obtain the documents, that was ultimately decided by the US Supreme Court last month.
US presidents are not required by law to release their tax returns, but for decades they have done so voluntarily.
The former president has fought hard to shield his tax returns.
The returns could offer a first-hand look into Mr Trump's finances, including his assets, sources of income, charitable contributions and liabilities, including the possibility of loans owed to foreign entities.
In 2016, Mr Trump became the first major-party presidential nominee since Richard Nixon in 1972 to decline to publicly release his tax returns while campaigning for office. At the time, he said he would do so after an Internal Revenue Service audit had concluded.
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The House Ways and Means Committee had first sought the returns when Democrats took over the lower chamber of Congress in 2019. The committee, citing a federal law allowing it to request special access to individual tax returns, said the information was necessary as a part of a review of federal tax law.
Republican critics, however, have countered that such explanations were merely an excuse to access Mr Trump's financial documents.
Publicly releasing those returns would lead to the weaponisation of the tax information of political opponents, including private citizens, for partisan advantage, they have argued.
The Trump administration refused to co-operate with the committee's request, prompting a drawn-out legal battle that ended when the US Supreme Court, in an unsigned opinion, upheld an appellate court ruling that the Democrats were entitled to the returns.
In 2020, the New York Times obtained leaked copies of 18 years of Mr Trump's tax returns. In a series of articles on the topic, the newspaper reported that the president paid no federal taxes in 10 of those 18 years and only $750 (£615) in each of his first two years in the White House. It also disclosed that the then-president was in a fight with the Internal Revenue Service over the legitimacy of a $72.9m (£59.8m) tax refund he had claimed and owed more than $400m (£328m) in debt due by 2024.
A representative of Mr Trump's business empire denied the accuracy of the report at the time. Official copies of the former president's tax returns, which are now expected to be released before Republicans take control of Congress on 3 January, should settle the matter.[/QUOTE]
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/26/business/ftx-caroline-ellison-bankman-fried/index.html
Lov2fish
12-26-2022, 04:13 PM
Largest political money laundering scheme in a long time. Fuck them all.
Ginni Thomas admits to January 6 committee she did not know of any evidence proving voter fraud
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ginni-thomas-admits-to-january-6-committee-she-did-not-know-of-any-evidence-proving-voter-fraud/ar-AA15PnSB?cvid=e736bfc0d36843d4bb445ea1167d60e7
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Ginni Thomas, a conservative political activist and wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, told the January 6 panel that she regretted the 'tone and context' of numerous emails and texts sent in the aftermath of the 2020 election in the latest round of transcripts released by the Congressional committee on Friday.
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The panel wanted to speak with Thomas following revelations of email correspondence between Thomas and then-President Donald Trump's election attorney John Eastman - who supported the legal theory that claimed then-Vice President Mike Pence had the authority to overturn states' election results
Congressional investigators also had text messages between the 65-year-old and Mark Meadows, who at the time of the exchange of messages, was Chief of Staff to Trump. These messages showed Thomas urging Meadows to continue the fight to overturn the 2020 presidential election.
'Help This Great President stand firm, Mark!!!...You are the leader, with him, who is standing for America's constitutional governance at the precipice. The majority knows Biden and the Left is attempting the greatest Heist of our History.'
'I regret all of these texts,' Thomas voluntarily told the panel during a closed-door deposition on Capitol Hill on September 29.
Virgina (Ginni) Thomas, left and Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, right
Virgina (Ginni) Thomas, left and Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, right
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In her testimony, she expressed her embarrassment about personal text messages being made public but was concerned about allegations of voter discrepancies while texting with then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows.
'It was an emotional time, and people were scared that there had been enough fraud happened that they weren't going to get to the bottom of it,' Thomas said.
When asked about evidence of voter fraud by January 6th committee member, Democratic Rep. Jamie Raskin of Maryland, Thomas said, 'I can't say that I was familiar at that time with any specific evidence I was just hearing it from news reporters and friends on the ground, grassroots activist who were inside of various polling places that found things suspicious.'
Subsequent evidence emerged that Thomas encouraged state lawmakers in Arizona and Wisconsin to overturn the presidential election results.
Thomas told the committee that she 'hoped that state legislators could identify fraud and irregularities in a timely manner before it was too late.'
When investigators and members of the committee of the attack on the U.S. Capitol asked about her conversations at home, Thomas said she stays in the “political” lane at home and her husband stays in a “legal” lane.
“He’s uninterested in politics,” she said. “I did not speak with him at all about the details of my post-election activities, which were minimal.”
She later added, “He had no idea I was texting Mark Meadows about the election,” though she conceded that a “best friend” she had talked to in one text to Meadows was likely her husband.
Yeah, right.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/30/politics/donald-trump-tax-returns-released/index.html
Im going to just post some highlites so there will be limited scrolling.
The Joint Committee on Taxation, which reviewed the returns, flagged that Trump claimed a large number of questionable items on his tax returns, including eyebrow-raising amounts of interest he claims to have received from loans to his children that the bipartisan committee said could indicate Trump was disguising gifts.
The JCT argued that an auditor should investigate the loan agreements Trump made with his children, including the interest rates. If the interest Trump claims to have charged his children was not at market rate, for example, it could be considered a gift for tax purposes, requiring him to pay a higher tax rate on the money.
In each year of his presidency, for example, Trump claimed he received exactly $18,000 in interest on a loan he said he gave his daughter Ivanka Trump and $8,715 in interest from his son Donald Trump, Jr.. In 2017 to 2019, Trump said he received exactly $24,000 from his son Eric Trump, and Eric paid him $19,605 in interest in 2020.
That raises the question of whether “the loans were bona fide arm’s length transactions, or whether the transfers were disguised gifts that could trigger gift tax and a disallowance of interest deductions by the related borrowers,” the JCT said in its report.
There are also questions about Trump’s returns listing an identical amount of company expenses and income.
For example, in 2017, Trump claimed his business DJT Aerospace LLC, which operates Trump’s personal helicopter, claimed $42,965 in income. It also claimed the exact same amount – $42,965 – in expenses. In other words, every single dollar – to the dollar – that the company earned was negated by the company’s expenses, such as payroll, fuel and other items. That left the company with zero income – and nothing to tax.
Total expenses equaling total income is a statistical impossibility,” said Shiel, who added that the figures are not evidence something illegal was done. “It just doesn’t happen.”
The JCT in its report raised several similar questions. For example, it noted IRS auditors were investigating multiple so-called large unusual questionable items on Trump’s tax returns for which the regulator wanted Trump to provide supporting evidence to back up his claims.
Trump reported having foreign bank accounts between 2015 and 2020, including a bank account in China between 2015 and 2017, his tax returns show.
Trump was required to report the accounts to the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN). The filings show that the former president maintained foreign bank accounts in countries such as the United Kingdom, Ireland and China.
The China bank account, which was reported by The New York Times in 2020, was tied to Trump International Hotels Management’s business push in the country, Trump Organization lawyer Alan Garten said at the time.
The 2020 disclosure of business dealings in China came as the Trump campaign sought to portray Biden as a “puppet” of China. Biden’s income tax returns and financial disclosures showed no business dealings or income from China.
The returns also show that Trump paid more in foreign taxes than in US federal income taxes in 2017, the first year of his presidency.
In 2017, Trump paid just $750 in US federal income taxes because of large carry-forward losses that he claimed in prior years, negating virtually all of his American tax liability. Yet Trump paid nearly $1 million in taxes to foreign countries that year.
Trump was required to report the accounts to the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN). The filings show that the former president maintained foreign bank accounts in countries such as the United Kingdom, Ireland and China.
The China bank account, which was reported by The New York Times in 2020, was tied to Trump International Hotels Management’s business push in the country, Trump Organization lawyer Alan Garten said at the time.
The 2020 disclosure of business dealings in China came as the Trump campaign sought to portray Biden as a “puppet” of China. Biden’s income tax returns and financial disclosures showed no business dealings or income from China.
The returns also show that Trump paid more in foreign taxes than in US federal income taxes in 2017, the first year of his presidency.
In 2017, Trump paid just $750 in US federal income taxes because of large carry-forward losses that he claimed in prior years, negating virtually all of his American tax liability. Yet Trump paid nearly $1 million in taxes to foreign countries that year.
The fact that Trump paid foreign taxes isn’t in itself surprising, but it shows how Trump’s companies and businesses interests span the globe, and how those businesses are subject to local tax laws and regulations.
During his presidency, Trump pledged he would donate the entirety of his $400,000 salary to charity each year. He frequently boasted about donating parts of his quarterly paycheck to various government agencies.
“While the press doesn’t like writing about it, nor do I need them to, I donate my yearly Presidential salary of $400,000.00 to different agencies throughout the year,” Trump tweeted in March 2019.
If he donated his 2020 salary, he didn’t claim it on his taxes. Among the six years of tax returns the House Ways and Means Committee released, 2020 was the sole year in which Trump listed no donations to charity.
I dont know if Trump broke the law, but his lies about his financial ties to China are a problem. From a different article a wall street banker suggested trump should stop all the wild trading just put his money in an index fund, he would make more money
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/new-congress-sworn-in-2023/index.html
Republican shitshow. Democrats sitting around eating popcorn, watch the fun
Day two.
No change. Republican train wreck gains momentum. Led by Matt Gaetz.
Reap what you sow.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-speaker-leadership-vote-1-4-23/index.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-s-lost-control-of-the-monster-he-created/ar-AA15YCCw?cvid=4a2aa3e3e062470ca6e24b92aef915d0
. The gold leaf accents on Donald Trump's political brand look to have lost their luster.
At the height of his influence entering the 2022 GOP primaries, Trump sought to shape the Republican Party in his image, his endorsement in competitive races ultimately coming to define who conservative voters supported and who they didn't.
One of those he endorsed was Kevin McCarthy, the ambitious California congressman who, shortly after the January 6 riots at the U.S. Capitol, traveled to Mar-a-Lago to extend an olive branch after previously criticizing Trump.
The following summer, Trump responded with his endorsement of McCarthy, calling him a "strong and fearless" leader for the GOP of the future.
After McCarthy suffered three consecutive defeats in a ballot of his peers to start the 118th Congress on January 3, Trump—it seemed—was no longer sure: In an interview Tuesday with NBC News' Garrett Haake, Trump declined to respond to a specific question about whether he supported McCarthy, saying only "we'll see what happens" when pressed.
By Wednesday morning, Trump was sticking with McCarthy. In a post on Truth Social, Trump urged Republicans to "NOT TURN A GREAT TRIUMPH INTO A GIANT & EMBARRASSING DEFEAT."
Within hours, the dynamics were already out of his hands.
In the fourth round of voting, 21 of the House's 223 Republican members declined to support McCarthy, with many saying he was too moderate, too entrenched in the Washington establishment, and too willing to capitulate to Democrats as he seeks to govern against a Democratic-led Senate and a Democratic White House.
Some of Trump's most ardent supporters in Congress—longtime anti-establishment figures like Matt Gaetz, Byron Donalds, Chip Roy, Ralph Norman and Lauren Boebert—were no longer listening to him, slamming Trump's pick on the floor of the House as a figure of the Washington, D.C., swamp Trump once swore to destroy.
"Even having my favorite president call us and tell us we need to knock this off," Boebert said on the House floor Wednesday ahead of the fifth round of voting. "I think it actually needs to be reversed. The president needs to tell Kevin McCarthy that, sir, you do not have the votes, and it's time to withdraw."
Trump's office has been contacted for comment.
Though his success as a candidate has long relied on the support of those outside the Beltway, his personal brand outside of D.C. hasn't fared much better—particularly as others have succeeded in rattling cages more than he had.
Where an invitation to Mar-a-Lago was once the equivalent of a winning lottery ticket, the Florida mansion has—in the months since the Republican primaries—become something of a circus of far-right fringe figures, with recent guest lists featuring defeated Arizona gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake, onetime North Carolina Congressman Madison Cawthorn and white nationalist Nick Fuentes alongside longtime Trump sycophants like Rudy Giuliani, the disgraced former mayor of New York City.
During the announcement of his third campaign for president, reporters wrote of attendees they saw heading for the exits who were not allowed to leave, while the campaign itself has seemed void of energy, marked by poorly designed digital trading cards and an absence of the types of rallies that came to define the closing months of the 2022 midterms.
Even some of his children, whose names are inextricably connected to their father's, have largely sought to distance themselves from the Trump brand for other ventures, as the company he founded has been mired in a number of criminal cases in New York.
"While I will always love and support my father, going forward I will do so outside the political arena," his daughter Ivanka said in a statement after his announcement.
omahacolt
01-04-2023, 07:50 PM
How is Gaetz even a thing?
dude is a garbage person
How is Gaetz even a thing?
dude is a garbage person
Welcome to the republican party, clown car head to the edge of a cliff
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/05/tech/fox-news-mccarthy/index.html
It’s Tucker Carlson versus Sean Hannity in the Republican Party.
The divisions inside the GOP, being laid bare on national television via the dramatic fight between Kevin McCarthy and a faction of rebels over the House speakership, mirror the rift that has been forming for some time in right-wing media and which is strikingly clear in Fox News primetime.
Some corners of the right-wing media universe, represented by the Carlsons of the world, revel in the chaos. Carlson has made that clear on his broadcasts this week, effectively cheering on the Never Kevin camp in the House and arguing that what we are seeing on television — a paralyzed GOP unable after six votes to elect a House speaker — is healthy.
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“If you prefer democracy to oligarchy, if you prefer real debates about issues that actually matter, it’s pretty refreshing to see it,” Carlson said of the public infighting taking place in the House, which is set to go back into session at noon on Thursday.
Then there are the personalities and outlets that more closely align with Hannity, who has gone on record against the mutiny facing McCarthy and argued on the California congressman’s behalf.
To be clear, Hannity hasn’t outright bashed the Republicans staging the rebellion against McCarthy. He’s mostly played polite. And he’s tried downplaying the friction, insisting it’s not a crisis. But Hannity has represented the wing of right-wing media — and the larger GOP — that would like to see Republicans unite and not be consumed by disorder.
“Should Republicans have worked this all out in private, long before yesterday? Yeah, absolutely. And behind the scenes I spoke to many of them, and I urged them to work it out,” Hannity said Wednesday night. “They apparently did not listen to my advice.”
After those comments, Hannity invited on Rep. Lauren Boebert for an interview which turned quite combative. The Fox News host repeatedly pressed the far-right congresswoman on what the rebel group plans to do, given that they are clearly a small minority of the GOP. Hannity at times noted that Boebert was evading and not answering his simple questions.
“I asked you a simple question congresswoman. I feel like I’m getting an answer from a liberal,” an exasperated Hannity said toward the conclusion of the interview, in which Boebert repeatedly kept speaking over him.
Of course, while Hannity, McCarthy, and others might be frustrated with the rebels now, they all played roles in bolstering their power in recent years. Which is the irony that cuts straight to the heart of the matter.
Much like the Republican Party laid the groundwork over the years for the rise of Donald Trump, people like Hannity have laid the groundwork for the rise of people like Carlson. They’ve catered to their views, refused to call out their nonsense, and chosen to attack entities like the media instead of dealing with the own mess in their backyard.
Now they’re reaping what they sowed: a party comprised of a growing number of erratic figures who don’t mind — and even perhaps prefer — watching the world burn.
https://thehill.com/homenews/3802324-house-democrats-one-gop-lawmaker-mark-jan-6-attack/
. House Democrats, one GOP lawmaker mark Jan. 6 attack
BY REBECCA BEITSCH - 01/06/23 11:06 AM ET
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House Democrats — and one Republican — paused for a brief but emotional ceremony to mark the second anniversary of the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.
Gathering on the House steps with the families of officers who lost their lives in connection with the riot, lawmakers honored the fallen officers as well as those injured in the lengthy battle with those who stormed the Capitol.
“The Jan. 6 insurrection shook our republic to the core. For many in the Congress and across our country, the physical, psychological, and emotional scars are still raw. Yet, from the unspeakable horror sprang extraordinary heroism. Law enforcement heroes confronted the insurrectionists to protect the Capitol, the Congress and our Constitution, and it’s with great respect and admiration that we are joined by the families this morning,” former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said.
“Thank you to the families for considering us worthy to share your grief, to honor your loss.”
Family members or representatives read the names of each officer who died in connection with the riot: Capitol Police Officers Brian Sicknick and Howard Liebengood, and Metropolitan Police Officers Jeffrey Smith, Gunther Hashida, and Kyle DeFreytag.
The family of Billy Evans, a Capitol Police officer who was killed after a man rammed into Capitol barricades and drew a knife on officers, were also present, his name read aloud by his two young sons.
The remembrance was held as the majority of the GOP gathered for a call to discuss a pending twelfth vote to determine who will serve as speaker of the House.
Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.) appeared to be the only Republican in attendance for the Jan. 6 remembrance.
Lawmakers held a 140-second moment of silence, one second for each officer injured during the attack, the pause leaving audible tears and sniffling from elected officials as well as those in the crowd.
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“We stand here today with our democracy intact because of those officers. The violent insurrectionists stormed the Capitol and attempted to halt the peaceful transfer of power, a cornerstone of our republic. They failed. They failed because of the bravery and valor of the United States Capitol Police and the Metropolitan Police Department officers who fought heroically to defend our democracy,” incoming House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) said.
“We will never forget their sacrifice and we will never forget this day.”
Analysis: Fox News has been exposed as a dishonest organization terrified of its own audience
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fox-news-feared-losing-viewers-by-airing-truth-about-election-documents-show/ar-AA17CVLk?ocid=Peregrine&cvid=4026fe24fbf74b129120e16fb3f28269
From texts between Fox anchors and personalities
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/20/politics/kevin-mccarthy-tucker-carlson-january-6-footage/index.html
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House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has granted Fox News host Tucker Carlson access to all of the US Capitol security footage from January 6, multiple sources told CNN.
The highly unusual move – a House speaker handing over a massive trove of internal government materials to a friendly media outlet – comes after the California Republican faced significant pressure from his right flank to relitigate the work of the House select committee that investigated the January 6, 2021, insurrection.
During his bid for the speakership, McCarthy vowed to hold hearings on the security failures that led to the Capitol getting overrun, and he told the select committee to preserve all of its records for potential future review by the newly empowered GOP majority.
Carlson has been one of the most prominent promoters of January 6 conspiracy theories. Most notably, he has devoted significant airtime to the false claim that liberal “deep state” partisans within the FBI orchestrated the insurrection as a way to undermine former President Donald Trump. He has conducted sympathetic interviews with some of the rioters who were subsequently charged by the Justice Department.
Several GOP lawmakers within McCarthy’s ranks had hoped to review the material themselves, likely to hunt for footage that supports their controversial claims about the January 6 insurrection. By giving the videos to Carlson, McCarthy is essentially outsourcing the task to right-wing media, at least for the moment.
Axios was first to report McCarthy’s arrangement with Carlson.
A Fox News spokesperson told CNN that the Axios report was accurate, but declined further comment. Carlson told Axios, “there was never any legitimate reason for this footage to remain secret” and that the videos will shed light on “what actually happened on January 6.”
House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, the chamber’s top Democrat, was not consulted about the release of the security footage, a source familiar told CNN. Another source told CNN that McCarthy didn’t consult with his GOP leadership team before making the decision.
The now-defunct January 6 committee got access to all the security footage from US Capitol Police during its investigation, but did not release certain clips for security reasons. A source familiar with the panel’s work told CNN that the unreleased footage was considered especially sensitive because it showed the movements of top officials while they evacuated to safety.
Tim Mulvey, a former January 6 committee spokesman, blasted McCarthy’s move in a statement to CNN, saying “It’s hard to overstate the potential security risks if this material were used irresponsibly” by Carlson or others.
“When the January 6th Select Committee obtained access to US Capitol Police video footage, it was treated with great sensitivity given concerns about the security of lawmakers, staff, and the Capitol complex,” Mulvey said. “Access was limited to members and a small handful of investigators and senior staff, and the public use of any footage was coordinated in advance with Capitol Police.”
CNN has reached out to US Capitol Police for comment.
When asked at a press conference last month about how some Republicans previously urged former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to publicly release the full January 6 security footage, McCarthy signaled his support, saying, “yeah, I think the public should see what happened.”
In the courtroom, federal prosecutors have long tried to keep certain CCTV clips from the Capitol complex hidden from the public, saying in court that their release poses a national security risk and could give vital insight to bad actors who may be planning a future attack. US Capitol Police share the same concerns.
January 6 defendants have access to thousands of hours of unreleased footage from the attack, as well from an online database, but the videos are tightly controlled by a protective order and defendants are not allowed to publicly release the clips.
“Once the capabilities of a U.S. Capitol interior surveillance camera, including its position and whether it pans, tilts or zooms, is disclosed to the public via the release of a single video from that camera, the cat is out of the bag,” Justice Department prosecutors wrote in a July 2021 court filing.
After more than a dozen news outlets, including CNN, sued for access to the videos in 2021, the chief judge of DC federal court ruled that the public has a strong interest in seeing some security footage from the attack. However, these video releases haven’t been automatic or guaranteed. News outlets can request the public release of videos after they are played in open court, on a case-by-case basis.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/20/europe/russia-reaction-biden-ukraine-visit-intl/index.html
Trump met with Putin, in private and no one knows what was discussed
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-melts-down-over-murdoch-admitting-fox-lied-about-election-fraud/ar-AA183uFB?cvid=417235ac2dca4122955d5b72db829775
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2023/03/01/david-benner-a-legend-at-the-indystar-and-then-the-pacers-dies/69959012007/
Its for those who are in Indiana and follow Pacers
GREENWOOD – David Benner wouldn’t say he was dying. Not his style. And this was a man of style – and substance. He worked for the IndyStar from 1979-1994, worked his way up from copy boy to the biggest beats in sports before shifting gears and working for the Pacers in media relations. An unusual career switch, something only the strongest of souls could do, but that was Benner. One of the strongest souls around.
Benner left us Wednesday morning at age 67, dying of the cancer that had been coming for him for a decade, nibbling around the edges, trying to get close but running into the same wall most of us ran into, eventually: Benner would decide how close you’d get. You, me, cancer … none of us chose. Benner chose.
Toward the end, when the cancer stopped nibbling and started taking large bites, Benner knew the decision was no longer his. A proud Southsider, he spent a week in intensive care at St. Francis Hospital before moving into the nearby Franciscan Hospice House. That was three weeks ago.
By then he’d done the chemo, over and over, and he’d come to grips with what was happening to him, and what would be happening to him soon enough. He’d been going to Columbus for chemotherapy, where he’d seen people much younger battling the same disease.
“He felt bad for them,” says Mike Wells, who covered the Pacers for the IndyStar from 2005-13, becoming close with Benner then, and becoming much closer after Wells left the Pacers beat to cover the Colts for ESPN. “He told me, ‘I’ve lived a hell of a life. I’ve traveled the world and had an incredible life.’ He felt bad for the 20-somethings who hadn’t had the chance to do that.”
David Benner had a heart, but he kept that part of himself under wraps as best he could, unless you were on the inner circle. Very few people got inside there. Lucky me, he let me inside about six months ago before putting up the wall again. He was dying, see, but that was his story. And he wasn’t going to open his book for just anyone.
More:David Benner, the stoic, unflappable Pacers PR guy retires: 'He never sugarcoated anything'
David Benner is retiring at the end of the week as the longtime Director of Media Relations for the Indiana Pacers, Monday, April 4, 2022.
A curmudgeon's curmudgeon, David Benner
Benner had things he enjoyed. That will come as a surprise to those who knew him just a very little bit, and here I’m referring mainly to the media members he kept at arm’s length – like me, until six months ago – because to us, this is the only thing he seemed to enjoy:
Keeping us at arm’s length.
He was protective of his team, David Benner. He grew up on the Pacers, cheering for them from his home in Center Grove, going to the occasional game, and then crossing over into this strange world of writing for the local paper about the team of your childhood. He wrote about the Pacers for the IndyStar – same job Mike Wells would have, years later – from 1983-91, then covered Notre Dame football in the fall and IU basketball in the winter. That was his work life until 1994, when Pacers media director Dale Ratermann left that role and the franchise offered the job to Benner.
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For the next 28 years he protected the Pacers like it was his job, because it was.
Former Pacers coach Frank Vogel was texting with me Wednesday, after the news broke of Benner’s death, and wrote: “He could not have been more supportive of me as a young, first-time head coach. He always kept me laughing with his quick wit … and I leaned on his experience with the media and with the organization heavily.
“He was a dear friend and a Pacers icon!”
From April 2022: David Benner, the stoic, unflappable Pacers PR guy retires
Benner was a wall, stiff and unyielding in his fitted suits. Write something he deemed unfair, and he’d let you know. Ask to speak with someone for an interview he felt was unnecessary, he’d let you know. Understand, I’m not complaining. Not now. Back when I first got here in 2014? It’s possible I complained to people at the Star.
What’s up with Benner?
That’s just Benner, they’d say. And it was. But there was so much more there, if you were lucky enough to get past the exterior. “A curmudgeon’s curmudgeon,” I called him in January 2020, when I wrote a story about attending five games in five gyms in five days, choosing a single anecdote from each arena. The anecdote I chose from the Pacers game? David Benner.
He was in the middle of another cancer fight, and I’d seen something pretty remarkable – well, actually, I’d not seen it – a few weeks earlier when I’d been at a Pacers game and Benner was there, same ol’ Benner: curmudgeonly. And then he was gone, leaving the arena before the game started. Nobody said why. I didn’t know. Turns out, he’d undergone chemo earlier that day. Didn’t tell anyone. Well, he didn’t tell me. I was on the outside.
The anecdote I wrote about Benner in 2020, it showed him a different side of me. Hey, he’s not the only person who can put up a wall. To me he was Benner, writer-turned-PR guy, and that’s how I treated him: Respectful, but keeping him at the same arm’s length he kept me. His arms are a little longer, probably.
But he saw that story, saw in the words I wrote how much I really liked him – something I’d never told him, because he’s Benner, and you don’t tell Benner that – and that’s how I broke through. All the way inside? No, wouldn’t say that. But every time I came back for a Pacers game, Benner and I were different, better, warmer.
He retired in April 2022, choosing to spend more time enjoying the things he enjoyed. Turns out, he enjoyed the Dave Matthews Band. And NASCAR. His dog Baxter. The golf at Hickory Stick in Greenwood; he could see the fourth hole from his house. And the coffee at Strange Brew on Smith Valley Road.
At some point he sent me a text message. I still have it. It’s dated Nov. 10, 2022:
Sir: now I’m retired, plenty of time on my hands, unlike yourself recently. Want to know if you would like to have lunch sometime. No intent, just good conversation. At least from your end.
Imagine getting that note from David Benner. And imagine seeing the way he signed off: With a smiling emoji.
Indiana's Reggie Miller and media relations David Benner take part in their pre-game ritual, where Reggie screams at Benner nose-to-nose for about 3-4 minutes. The Indiana Pacers host the Detroit Pistons at Conseco Fieldhouse in Indianapolis, IN for the sixth game of the eastern conference semifinals of the NBA Playoffs on Thursday, May 19, 2005. The Pacers lose the game 88-79, for Reggie Miller's last game of his career.
I'm not crying, you are
Benner liked the Cherry Limeade from Sonic. Mike Wells brought him one last week. Benner was about to start his third week in hospice, so obviously the end was coming, but Wells had an idea just how close it was when he saw Benner take two sips and put down his favorite drink.
Wells had another inkling when he left his friend for the final time, and Benner gave him a fist bump and told him, for the first time, “I love you.”
I’m not crying. You are.
Benner hated that I’d do that, by the way. He didn’t like the way I’d put words like “I” and “me” in my stories. He was an old-school journalist, and in the 1970s and 80s, you didn’t write in the first person. Things have changed over the years, as social media has broken down what wall existed between journalists and readers. We’re all in this together, is my feeling, so I’ll chat with you directly, and take you with me to show you the sights.
Benner wasn’t crazy about it, and I’m not sure how to feel about this, but apparently he and Wells discussed me, for a moment, during one of Wells’ near-daily visits to hospice.
“You know,” Benner told Wells, “I’m not a big proponent of the ‘I’ and ‘me’ in his columns, but Gregg away from his columns is a guy I like a lot.”
I’m not crying harder. You are.
Benner and I had coffee on Nov. 14, by the way. He knew I lived near the Greenwood Mall, so he suggested The Mocha Nut Coffee Shop near Southport and Madison. He said we’d go to his home turf next time, to Strange Brew on Smith Valley, but it never happened. And I tried. Well, a little.
For weeks after that coffee he’d send me the occasional note, saying hello or asking about my recently adopted dog. On Jan. 4 I sent him something blunt, because Benner liked it blunt:
We eating lunch tomorrow?
He said no. Suggested we try in a couple weeks. Said his hip was bothering him, that he was using a cane, that the pain killer wasn’t doing much. I said to him, and I quote because these are the last words I ever wrote David Benner:
I’m sure you have lots of people who want to get together with you, but I’ll pester you again here in a few weeks.
That was Jan. 5. Seven weeks ago. Never did pester him again. Think that hurts?
Along the way, I’m learning now, he was in the ICU for a week, then in hospice for three weeks, and then came Wednesday morning and a text from Mike Wells, telling me David Benner was gone. So I’m calling Wells, wanting to know more – for me, and for this story – and he’s telling me about their final get-together before Benner went into ICU.
They met at Strange Brew. It was Jan. 6, one day after Benner had kept me at arm’s length, telling me he needed a few weeks. He was dying, see, and he wasn’t going to share that with me. Only a few people were inside that circle, and that included Wells. They’d bonded back in 2010 when Wells’ mother was dying – from cancer – and Benner was being supportive, reaching out, checking on Wells not as a beat writer, but as a friend.
Benner and Wells became ever closer over the years, and in recent months, when the weather cooperated, Benner would ride along in the golf cart as Wells played Hickory Stick. Sometimes Benner would join him on the green to putt, if he was feeling up to it. But on Jan. 6 in the parking lot of Strange Brew, Benner did something he’d never do: He asked Wells to help him into the car.
Wells picked up Benner’s legs and slid them into the driver’s seat, and begged him: Let me drive you.
“Nope,” Benner told him, “I want to drive myself. I want to enjoy life.”
To me, Wells says: “I think he knew.”
One thing Benner doesn’t know, will never know: From a distance, Mike Wells followed him in his car Jan. 6. Just to make sure he got home OK.
Benner’s home now.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/seems-illegal-experts-say-murdoch-could-face-fec-fine-if-he-funneled-secret-info-to-kushner/ar-AA18bGFs?cvid=9906169b7d5146758d6758227747c2d2
omahacolt
03-05-2023, 11:50 AM
i have no idea how anyone can watch fox "news" and not understand they are being lied to and brainwashed.
probably because anyone that watches fox is a moron. but still
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/09/politics/jenna-ellis-former-trump-attorney/index.html
And
Tucker Carson
https://www.businessinsider.com/real-tucker-carlson-texts-emails-revealed-dominion-suit-court-docs-2023-3
https://www.cnn.com/videos/tech/2023/03/03/presidents-with-mullets-moos-cprog-orig-bdk.cnn?iid=homepage_video_zone-outbrain&dicbo=v4-udteklt-1131160479
https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/they-groomed-the-audience-legal-scholars-say-fox-has-absolutely-no-first-amendment-defense/ar-AA18qrsa?ocid=Peregrine&cvid=a00d51530e5a4c94a60b1a1946c0c253&ei=17
Most recent article, supported by earlier story
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/don-t-believe-anybody-who-says-they-know-how-covid-19-started-here-s-why/ar-AA18s7fm?cvid=9c82cc916f654f62bd4c96ee0365e942&ei=22
https://www.newsweek.com/2020/11/27/vaccines-wont-stop-pandemic-unless-least-50-million-skeptical-americans-change-their-minds-1549274.html
Colts And Orioles
03-13-2023, 01:28 PM
o
I don't believe anybody who says that they know for a fact precisely how and when COVID-19 started any more than I believe anybody who says that they know for a fact what happens after we die.
o
Lov2fish
03-13-2023, 02:18 PM
Works out, cause I don't believe a damn thing out of Washington, or any media outlets. One will lie and the other will swear to it. Want to read some shit, read all the crap Elon Musk released on Twitter.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-strongest-evidence-yet-that-an-animal-started-the-pandemic/ar-AA18JbtT?cvid=e35a0fc3ecde49c9a05acf11d98f10ea&ei=12
For three years now, the debate over the origins of the coronavirus pandemic has ping-ponged between two big ideas: that SARS-CoV-2 spilled into human populations directly from a wild-animal source, and that the pathogen leaked from a lab. Through a swirl of data obfuscation by Chinese authorities and politicalization within the United States, and rampant speculation from all corners of the world, many scientists have stood by the notion that this outbreak—like most others—had purely natural roots. But that hypothesis has been missing a key piece of proof: genetic evidence from the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, China, showing that the virus had infected creatures for sale there.
The Strongest Evidence Yet That an Animal Started the Pandemic
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This week, an international team of virologists, genomicists, and evolutionary biologists may have finally found crucial data to help fill that knowledge gap. A new analysis of genetic sequences collected from the market shows that raccoon dogs being illegally sold at the venue could have been carrying and possibly shedding the virus at the end of 2019. It’s some of the strongest support yet, experts told me, that the pandemic began when SARS-CoV-2 hopped from animals into humans, rather than in an accident among scientists experimenting with viruses.
“This really strengthens the case for a natural origin,” says Seema Lakdawala, a virologist at Emory University who wasn’t involved in the research. Angela Rasmussen, a virologist involved in the research, told me, “This is a really strong indication that animals at the market were infected. There’s really no other explanation that makes any sense.”
The findings won’t fully silence the entrenched voices on either side of the origins debate. But the new analysis may offer some of the clearest and most compelling evidence that the world will ever get in support of an animal origin for the virus that, in just over three years, has killed nearly 7 million people worldwide.
[Read: The lab leak will haunt us forever]
The genetic sequences were pulled out of swabs taken in and near market stalls around the pandemic’s start. They represent the first bits of raw data that researchers outside of China’s academic institutions and their direct collaborators have had access to. Late last week, the data were quietly posted by researchers affiliated with the country’s Center for Disease Control and Prevention, on an open-access genomic database called GISAID. By almost pure happenstance, scientists in Europe, North America, and Australia spotted the sequences, downloaded them, and began an analysis.
The samples were already known to be positive for the coronavirus, and had been scrutinized before by the same group of Chinese researchers who uploaded the data to GISAID. But that prior analysis, released as a preprint publication in February 2022, asserted that “no animal host of SARS-CoV-2 can be deduced.” Any motes of coronavirus at the market, the study suggested, had most likely been chauffeured in by infected humans, rather than wild creatures for sale.
The new analysis, led by Kristian Andersen, Edward Holmes, and Michael Worobey—three prominent researchers who have been looking into the virus’s roots—shows that that may not be the case. Within about half a day of downloading the data from GISAID, the trio and their collaborators discovered that several market samples that tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 were also coming back chock-full of animal genetic material—much of which was a match for the common raccoon dog. Because of how the samples were gathered, and because viruses can’t persist by themselves in the environment, the scientists think that their findings could indicate the presence of a coronavirus-infected raccoon dog in the spots where the swabs were taken. Unlike many of the other points of discussion that have been volleyed about in the origins debate, the genetic data are “tangible,” Alex Crits-Christoph, a computational biologist and one of the scientists who worked on the new analysis, told me. “And this is the species that everyone has been talking about.”
Finding the genetic material of virus and mammal so closely co-mingled—enough to be extracted out of a single swab—isn’t perfect proof, Lakdawala told me. “It’s an important step; I’m not going to diminish that,” she said. Still, the evidence falls short of, say, isolating SARS-CoV-2 from a free-ranging raccoon dog or, even better, uncovering a viral sample swabbed from a mammal for sale at Huanan from the time of the outbreak’s onset. That would be the virological equivalent of catching a culprit red-handed. But “you can never go back in time and capture those animals,” says Gigi Gronvall, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. And to researchers’ knowledge, “raccoon dogs were not tested at the market and had likely been removed prior to the authorities coming in,” Andersen wrote to me in an email. He underscored that the findings, although an important addition, are not “direct evidence of infected raccoon dogs at the market.”
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Still, the findings don’t stand alone. “Do I believe there were infected animals at the market? Yes, I do,” Andersen told me. “Does this new data add to that evidence base? Yes.” The new analysis builds on extensive previous research that points to the market as the source of the earliest major outbreak of SARS-CoV-2: Many of the earliest known COVID-19 cases of the pandemic were clustered roughly in the market’s vicinity. And the virus’s genetic material was found in many samples swabbed from carts and animal-processing equipment at the venue, as well as parts of nearby infrastructure, such as storehouses, sewage wells, and water drains. Raccoon dogs, creatures commonly bred for sale in China, are also already known to be one of many mammal species that can easily catch and spread the coronavirus. All of this left one main hole in the puzzle to fill: clear-cut evidence that raccoon dogs and the virus were in the exact same spot at the market, close enough that the creatures might have been infected and, possibly, infectious. That’s what the new analysis provides. Think of it as finding the DNA of an investigation’s main suspect at the scene of the crime.
The findings don’t rule out the possibility that other animals may have been carrying SARS-CoV-2 at Huanan. Raccoon dogs, if they were infected, may not even be the creatures who passed the pathogen on to us. Which means the search for the virus’s many wild hosts will need to plod on. “Do we know the intermediate host was raccoon dogs? No,” Andersen wrote to me, using the term for an animal that can ferry a pathogen between other species. “Is it high up on my list of potential hosts? Yes, but it’s definitely not the only one.”
On Tuesday, the researchers presented their findings at a hastily scheduled meeting of the World Health Organization’s Scientific Advisory Group for the Origins of Novel Pathogens, which was also attended by several of the Chinese researchers responsible for the original analysis, according to multiple researchers who were not present but were briefed about it before and after by multiple people who were there. Shortly after the meeting, the Chinese team’s preprint went into review at a Nature Research journal—suggesting that a new version was being prepared for publication. (I reached out to the WHO for comment and will update this story when I have more information.)
At this point, it’s still unclear why the sequences were posted to GISAID last week. They also vanished from the database shortly after appearing, without explanation. When I emailed George Gao, the former China CDC director-general and the lead author on the original Chinese analysis, asking for his team’s rationale, I didn’t immediately receive a response. Given what was in the GISAID data, it does seem that raccoon dogs could have been introduced into and clarified the origins narrative far sooner—at least a year ago, and likely more.
China has, for years, been keen on pushing the narrative that the pandemic didn’t start within its borders. In early 2020, a Chinese official suggested that the novel coronavirus may have emerged from a U.S. Army lab in Maryland. The notion that a dangerous virus sprang out from wet-market mammals echoed the beginnings of the SARS-CoV-1 epidemic two decades ago—and this time, officials immediately shut down the Huanan market, and vehemently pushed back against assertions that live animals being sold illegally in the country were to blame; a WHO investigation in March 2021 took the same line. “No verified reports of live mammals being sold around 2019 were found,” the report stated. But just three months later, in June 2021, a team of researchers published a study documenting tens of thousands of mammals for sale in wet markets in Wuhan between 2017 and late 2019, including at Huanan. The animals were kept in largely illegal, cramped, and unhygienic settings—conditions conducive to viral transmission—and among them were more than 1,000 raccoon dogs. Holmes himself had been at the market in 2014 and snapped a photo at Stall 29, clearly showing a raccoon dog in a cage; another set of images from the venue, captured by a local in December 2019 and later shared on Weibo, caught the animals on film as well—right around the time that the first recorded SARS-CoV-2 infections in humans occurred.
And yet, Chinese researchers maintained their stance. As Jon Cohen reported for Science magazine last year, scientists from several of China’s largest academic institutions posted a preprint in September 2021 concluding that a massive nationwide survey of bats—the likeliest original source of the coronavirus before it jumped into an intermediate host, such as raccoon dogs, and then into us—had turned up no relatives of SARS-CoV-2. The implication, the team behind the paper asserted, was that relatives of the coronavirus were “extremely rare” in the region, making it unlikely that the pandemic had started there. The findings directly contradicted others showing that cousins of SARS-CoV-2 were indeed circulating in China’s bats. (Local bats have also been found to harbor viruses related to SARS-CoV-1.)
The original Chinese analysis of the Huanan market swabs, from February 2022, also stuck with China’s party line on the pandemic. One of the report’s graphs suggested that viral material at the market had been mixed up with genetic material of multiple animal species—a data trail that should have led to further inquiry or conclusions, but that the Chinese researchers appear to have ignored. Their report noted only humans as being linked to SARS-CoV-2, stating that its findings “highly” suggested that any viral material at the market came from people (at least one of whom, presumably, picked it up elsewhere and ferried it into the venue). The Huanan market, the study’s authors wrote, “might have acted as an amplifier” for the epidemic. But “more work involving international coordination” would be needed to suss out the “real origins of SARS-CoV-2.”
The wording of that report baffled many scientists in Europe, North America, and Australia, several of whom had, almost exactly 24 hours after the release of the China CDC preprint, published early versions of their own studies, concluding that the Huanan market was the pandemic’s probable epicenter—and that SARS-CoV-2 might have made its hop into humans from the venue twice at the end of 2019. Itching to get their hands on China CDC’s raw data, some of the researchers took to regularly trawling GISAID, occasionally at odd hours—the only reason that Florence Débarre, an evolutionary biologist at the French National Centre for Scientific Research, spotted the sequences pinging onto the server late last Thursday night with no warning or fanfare.
Within hours of downloading the data and starting their own analysis, the researchers found their suspicions confirmed. Several surfaces in and around one stall at the market, including a cart and a defeathering machine, produced virus-positive samples that also contained genetic material from raccoon dogs—in a couple of cases, at higher concentrations than of human genomes. It was Stall 29—the same spot where Holmes had snapped the photo of the raccoon dog, nearly a decade before.
Slam-dunk evidence for a raccoon-dog host—or another animal—could still emerge. In the hunt for the wild source of MERS, another coronavirus that caused a deadly outbreak in 2012, researchers were eventually able to identify the pathogen in camels, which are thought to have caught their initial infection from bats—and which still harbor the virus today; a similar story has played out for Nipah virus, which hopscotched from bats to pigs to us.
[Read: Bird flu leaves the world with an existential choice]
Proof of that caliber, though, may never turn up for SARS-CoV-2. (Nailing wild origins is rarely simple: Despite a years-long search, the wild host for Ebola still has not been definitively pinpointed.) Which leaves just enough ambiguity to keep debate about the pandemic’s origins running, potentially indefinitely. Skeptics will likely be eager to poke holes in the team’s new findings—pointing out, for instance, that it’s technically possible for genetic material from viruses and animals to end up sloshed together in the environment even if an infection didn’t take place. Maybe an infected human visited the market and inadvertently deposited viral RNA near an animal’s crate.
But an infected animal, with no third-party contamination, still seems by far the most plausible explanation for the samples’ genetic contents, several experts told me; other scenarios require contortions of logic and, more important, additional proof. Even prior to the reveal of the new data, Gronvall told me, “I think the evidence is actually more sturdy for COVID than it is for many others.” The strength of the data might even, in at least one way, best what’s available for SARS-CoV-1: Although scientists have isolated SARS-CoV-1-like viruses from a wet-market-traded mammal host, the palm civet, those samples were taken months after the outbreak began—and the viral variants found weren’t exactly identical to the ones in human patients. The versions of SARS-CoV-2 tugged out of several Huanan-market samples, meanwhile, are a dead ringer for the ones that sickened humans with COVID early on.
The debate over SARS-CoV-2’s origins has raged for nearly as long as the pandemic itself—outlasting lockdowns, widespread masking, even the first version of the COVID vaccines. And as long as there is murkiness to cling to, it may never fully resolve. While evidence for an animal spillover has mounted over time, so too have questions about the possibility that the virus escaped from a laboratory. When President Joe Biden asked the U.S. intelligence community to review the matter, four government agencies and the National Intelligence Council pointed to a natural origin, while two others guessed that it was a lab leak. (None of these assessments were made with high confidence; a bill passed in both the House and the Senate would, 90 days after it becomes a law, require the Biden administration to declassify underlying intelligence.)
If this new level of scientific evidence does conclusively tip the origins debate toward the animal route, it will be, in one way, a major letdown. It will mean that SARS-CoV-2 breached our borders because we once again mismanaged our relationship with wildlife—that we failed to prevent this epidemic for the same reason we failed, and could fail again, to prevent so many of the rest.
Lov2fish
03-18-2023, 01:11 PM
Depends on which lying government agency you believe. I choose to believe none of them. Could have come from a lab, or an animal. What I do know. It was never the ferocious killer tiger they made it out to be. It was a declawed alley cat with a broken tooth.
Depends on which lying government agency you believe. I choose to believe none of them. Could have come from a lab, or an animal. What I do know. It was never the ferocious killer tiger they made it out to be. It was a declawed alley cat with a broken tooth.
I dont believe it was manufactured by the Chinese.
1. They werent able to manufacture a working vaccine untill more than a year passed after the rest of the world had 3 different vaccines. If they “knew” the genetic code, they would have been starting making a vaccine for their own use.
2. SARS, MERS, bubonic plague, and others occurred when a virus jumped species. Shit happens.
3. These strong arm governments cant admit when they are wrong and always blame some one else is at fault.
I have a wife and 4 daughters, and nothing stops them from talking about their periods
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florida-gop-bill-would-ban-girls-from-talking-about-their-periods-in-school/ar-AA18OuZV?cvid=1ac8a21955ab4daebba590f201dc6708&ei=28
omahacolt
03-19-2023, 03:39 PM
florida is a fucked up place
seems like most red states are waging wars against women. lets see how that turns out for them
florida is a fucked up place
seems like most red states are waging wars against women. lets see how that turns out for them
I’m better on my wife and daughters
Racehorse
03-20-2023, 07:11 AM
I’m better on my wife and daughters
WTF are you doing on your daughters?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/judge-approves-crime-fraud-exception-in-special-counsel-probe-of-trump-classified-documents/ar-AA18XdFq?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=bada1562debb4226a28f8aa6bbcc5003&ei=16
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/unhinged-trump-ripped-in-withering-editorial-from-rupert-murdoch-s-new-york-post/ar-AA193zYb?cvid=3a97780a6f02470f8ee37bbe614c5fad&ei=27
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/fox-news-ceo-raged-over-anchor-fact-checking-trump-emails-reveal/ar-AA19eDTi?ocid=Peregrine&cvid=5a623d7dc3934180ac518909e19a2051&ei=140
According to emails contained in Dominion attorneys' slide deck used against the company in a hearing earlier this March, Suzanne Scott— Fox News CEO since 2018—wrote to Fox News Executive Vice President of Primetime Programming Meade Cooper on December 2, 2020, demanding the network's reporters immediately stop fact-checking Trump's false claims about the election and the security of Dominion's voting machines, claiming it was bad for business.
"This has to stop now," wrote Scott. "[...] this is bad business and there is clearly a lack of understanding what is happening in these shows. The audience is furious and we are just feeding them material."
"Bad for business," she emphasized.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/30/politics/donald-trump-indictment/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/31/media/fox-news-dominion-lawsuit/index.html
Dominion Voting Systems’ historic defamation case against Fox News will proceed to a high-stakes jury trial in mid-April, a Delaware judge ruled Friday, in a major decision that dismantled several of the right-wing network’s key defenses.
The judge’s decision is a painful setback for Fox News and sets the stage for an agonizing, weekslong trial, where the network’s highest-ranking executives and most prominent hosts could be called to the stand to testify about the 2020 election lies that were promoted on its air.
Both sides had asked Delaware Superior Court Judge Eric Davis for a pretrial ruling in their favor, declaring them the winner. After thousands of pages of filings and exhibits, and a series of courtroom clashes, Davis decided the case should go to trial. But one question jurors won’t need to weigh, he concluded, was whether Fox’s claims about Dominion were true or false.
“The evidence developed in this civil proceeding demonstrates that is CRYSTAL clear that none of the Statements relating to Dominion about the 2020 election are true,” Davis wrote.
Unless there is an out-of-court settlement — which is always possible — Davis’ ruling means jurors will need to decide whether Fox News defamed Dominion by repeatedly promoting false claims that the voting technology company rigged the 2020 presidential election by flipping millions of votes from Donald Trump to Joe Biden. Dominion wants $1.6 billion in damages.
Jury selection is scheduled to begin on April 13 in Wilmington, Delaware.
Fox News and its parent company, Fox Corporation, deny all wrongdoing. They’ve argued that their conspiracy theory-filled broadcasts after the 2020 election were protected by the First Amendment, because their on-air reporters were merely reporting on “newsworthy allegations.”
“This case is and always has been about the First Amendment protections of the media’s absolute right to cover the news,” a Fox spokesperson said in a statement after the ruling. “Fox will continue to fiercely advocate for the rights of free speech and a free press as we move into the next phase of these proceedings.”
Judge blocks key Fox defenses
In his 130-page ruling, Davis dismantled several of Fox News’ potential trial defenses, dealing a significant blow to the network. On the whole, these findings from Davis take away several key arguments that Fox could’ve presented to the jury, making it harder for them to prevail at trial.
Davis ruled that Fox News can’t invoke the “neutral report privilege,” which protects journalists who neutrally pass along newsworthy allegations in an unbiased fashion. Dominion had argued that Fox News hosts essentially took a side while covering the fallout of the 2020 election, by throwing their weight behind the false idea that the results were illegitimate, and Dominion was to blame.
“The evidence does not support that (Fox News) conducted good-faith, disinterested reporting,” Davis wrote. “(Fox News’) failure to reveal extensive contradicting evidence from the public sphere and Dominion itself indicates that its reporting was not disinterested.”
The judge also blocked Fox News from using the “fair report privilege” with the jury. That legal doctrine protects journalists who report on what is being said at official proceedings, like congressional hearings, or on allegations being levied in court filings, like in a civil lawsuit.
Davis pointed out that the timeline of Fox’s on-air statements didn’t sync up with the lawsuits, many filed by pro-Trump lawyers like Sidney Powell, that sought to overturn the 2020 election.
“Most of the contested statements were made before any lawsuit had been filed in court,” Davis wrote, adding that out of the nearly 20 broadcasts on Fox’s networks that Dominion claims damaged their reputation, “only one broadcast at issue even mentioned Ms. Powell’s lawsuit.”
(L to R) Rupert Murdoch, executive chairman of News Corp and chairman of Fox News, and Lachlan Murdoch, co-chairman of 21st Century Fox, walk together as they arrive on the third day of the annual Allen & Company Sun Valley Conference, July 13, 2017 in Sun Valley, Idaho.
Judge in Dominion defamation case skeptical of Fox's arguments, as both sides seek a pretrial win
The judge gave Dominion a boost by determining that the on-air statements at the heart of the litigation were either factual assertions or “mixed opinion,” which might make it harder for Fox to defend itself in front of the jury. Fox had asked Davis to rule that the statements were “pure opinion,” and therefore couldn’t be defamatory under the First Amendment.
“The context supports the position that the statements were not pure opinion when they were made by newscasters holding themselves out to be sources of accurate information,” Davis wrote.
Davis additionally wrote in his ruling that even if the statements were opinion, Fox News would not be protected under the Constitution, given that they appeared to “charge Dominion with the serious crime of election fraud.”
“Accusations of criminal activity, even in the form of opinion, are not constitutionally protected,” Davis wrote
The voting technology firm cheered these parts of Davis’ ruling in a statement on Friday.
“We are gratified by the Court’s thorough ruling soundly rejecting all of Fox’s arguments and defenses, and finding as a matter of law that their statements about Dominion are false. We look forward to going to trial,” a Dominion spokesperson said in a statement.
Damning revelations
Fox’s legal liability will be decided at trial. But the case has already battered Fox’s reputation.
Incriminating texts and emails have shown how Fox executives, hosts and producers didn’t believe the claims the network was peddling about Dominion. These revelations drove a dagger through the idea that Fox News is anything but a partisan GOP operation focused on ratings — not journalism.
The lawsuit is seen as one of the most consequential defamation cases in recent memory. Fox has argued that a loss will eviscerate press freedoms, and many scholars agree that the bar should remain high to prove defamation. Other analysts have said holding Fox accountable for knowingly airing lies won’t pose a threat to objective journalists who would never do that in the first place.
The case has elicited a mountain of evidence exposing Fox News as a right-wing profit machine lacking the most basic journalistic ethics — and willing to promote unhinged election conspiracy theories to preserve its lucrative business.
Fox Corporation chairman Rupert Murdoch conceded in his sworn deposition that several of his top hosts endorsed election lies on the air that he knew were false. And after the 2020 election, its most prominent stars and top executives privately trashed the conspiracy theories that were being spread on-air, according to internal text messages and emails revealed in court filings.
The legal filings showed how worried Fox News executives and hosts were of losing viewership to Newsmax, a smaller right-wing talk channel that was saturating its airwaves with election denialism. And in multiple instances, Fox News executives and hosts started to crack down on those at the network who fact-checked election lies, private messages revealed in court filings showed.
Despite what appeared on air, Fox News executives and hosts privately criticized the Trump camp for pushing claims of election fraud. Hannity said Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s then-lawyer, was “acting like an insane person” and Ingraham described him as “an idiot.” Rupert Murdoch said it was “really bad” that Giuliani was advising Trump.
Los Angeles, Las Vegas and other major cities could face huge water cuts in feds’ proposed plan to save the Colorado River
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/11/us/colorado-river-water-cuts-federal-analysis-climate/index.html
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The Biden administration on Tuesday released a highly anticipated analysis of the Colorado River crisis that paints a dire picture of what that river system’s collapse would portend for the West’s major cities, farmers and Native tribes.
In the draft analysis, the US Interior Department’s Bureau of Reclamation offers two different scenarios for how to slash water usage should the levels in Lakes Mead and Powell continue to plummet, with the immediate goal of keeping enough Colorado River flowing through the Glen Canyon and Hoover dams to supply hydroelectric power to hundreds of thousands of customers.
But the implications of the analysis go far beyond hydropower.
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The Colorado River provides water and electricity to more than 40 million people in seven states: Utah, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and California. Decades of overuse, combined with years of drought worsened by the climate crisis, have spurred a sharp drop in water levels in recent years at Lakes Mead and Powell, the nation’s largest reservoirs that power Hoover and Glen Canyon and provide water for drinking and agriculture to millions.
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In both of the federal government’s scenarios, states, farms and tribes could be forced to cut nearly 2.1 million more acre-feet of their Colorado River usage in 2024, on top of existing water-conservation agreements struck in past years.
That is an enormous amount of water, roughly 684 billion gallons and nearly equivalent to what the entire state of Arizona was expected to use from the Colorado River this year.
The Interior Department is expected to make a final decision on the cuts – and how and when they would be implemented – later this summer.
After an epic winter full of record-breaking snow and flooding rainfall in the West, state water officials have said the pressure is easing to find an immediate solution to the Colorado River’s woes. But Deputy Interior Sec. Tommy Beaudreau told CNN that the department didn’t consider this year’s historic winter in its analysis.
“While it’s encouraging, it’s great, the long-term trend here has been continued drought and water shortages,” Beaudreau said. “But there’s a chance even with a good water year that it just kind of pushes the curve out a few months and we have to continue our planning process accordingly.”
Water intake towers at the Hoover Dam on April 3.
Water intake towers at the Hoover Dam on April 3.
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What the cuts would mean for cities, farmers and tribes
As pressure mounts for the federal government to come up with a fair deal for water users, Camille Calimlim Touton, the Bureau of Reclamation Commissioner, said Tuesday in a news conference that the Colorado River “is one community comprised of 40 million people and landscapes that need us to get this right.”
Touton and other officials spoke Tuesday in front of Lake Mead’s dramatic bathtub ring, showing how much the water levels there have fallen.
And while the extent of the water cuts is the same in the two main scenarios, the difference lies in who would bear the brunt of the cuts.
In one, major Western cities – including Los Angeles, Las Vegas and Phoenix – would take the vast majority of the water cuts if Lake Mead levels were to plummet further, because these cities have a lower priority claim to the water, compared to farmers and Native tribes.
The Colorado River flows through the Imperial National Wildlife Refuge in Yuma, Arizona.
Did this winter solve the Colorado River crisis? No -- but it took some pressure off, for now
And it would be a major blow to those cities; 90% of Las Vegas’ water supply comes from the river, while Phoenix’s water supply is about 40% Colorado River water, for example.
“For purposes of the analysis, we show what the effect would be,” Beaudreau told CNN, adding he hopes the stark figures help spur an agreement among seven basin states.
The other scenario examines what would happen if the water cuts are spread equally among cities, farmers and tribes alike – an option that some high-priority water users have warned could result in a prolonged, high-stakes court battle between states and the federal government.
There is also a third scenario the feds offered: Do nothing. But that is not an option states or the federal government are seriously considering as the Colorado River continues to decline.
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Beaudreau called the no-action option the “most severe” for the river basin, but said it was important to include to emphasize why more cuts are so critical should water levels plummet further.
The federal government is trying to paint a picture that shows what a future with less water would actually look like, Beaudreau said, in hopes that sparring states can come together with a short-term agreement on cuts.
“There has been a lot of negotiation and conversation among the states and with the Interior Department, but a lot of it’s been conceptual and abstract,” Beaudreau told CNN. “Putting things down on paper to give direction I think will meaningfully move the conversation.”
Arizona’s top water official Tom Buschatzke said the federal plan “presents multiple paths forward, but those paths have dire consequences.”
“In some cases, it may spur opposition or even litigation,” Buschatzke said at Tuesday’s news conference. “Instead, let us accelerate our discussions in the basin for a collaborative consensus-based outcome.”
California’s lead negotiator in the Colorado River talks, JB Hamby, echoed that sentiment, and said Arizona, California and the other states are looking to “develop a true, seven-state consensus in the coming months – ideally in the next 45-day period.”
The two main scenarios may also not be what is finalized later this summer, as states continue to negotiate among themselves. And a third, less-severe option could ultimately emerge based on how water levels in Lakes Mead and Powell respond to this winter’s rain and snow, as well as water cuts that are already being implemented across farms and cities in the Southwest, Beaudreau said.
Administration officials are incentivizing water cuts across agriculture in exchange for federal dollars. Last week, Beaudreau and other administration officials announced the first deal it signed in a series of short-term agreements to fallow water-intensive farmland and keep more water in Lake Mead. More fallowing agreements, some of which are still being negotiated, could be coming in the next few weeks.
A canal runs through Imperial Valley farm land in Southern California on April 4.
A canal runs through Imperial Valley farm land in Southern California on April 4.
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The result of those programs could change the landscape enough by late summer that the feds could ramp down the extent of the water cuts in their final decision.
“It all depends on how much the shortages are,” he said. “If there’s conservation in the system that keeps water in Lake Mead, and we have to make minimal shortage reductions on top of [existing drought guidelines], that is an accomplishment in and of itself.”
A vehicle drives down a road in Ivins, Utah.
The fastest growing metro in the US is looking to a shrinking reservoir to keep the boom going
A combination of those fallowing agreements and the good winter rain and snow are expected to raise elevations in Mead and Powell in the short term, which could stave off bigger cuts. State negotiators have told CNN they hope the good winter helps take some of the immediate pressure off and gives them more time to come to an agreement on water cuts.
Beaudreau said that while he hopes the seven states can strike a short-term deal, he doesn’t yet know whether than can be achieved. If not, he reiterated Interior is prepared to act and implement cuts itself to keep the system from crashing.
“I think this is a step towards facilitating what I hope is some consensus coming out of the basin, but it also shows at the end of the day, the [Interior] Secretary will do what’s necessary and responsible to keep the system operating,” Beaudreau said.
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The judge overseeing Dominion Voting Systems' $1.6 billion defamation lawsuit against Fox News called out the network's "credibility problem" after a last-minute revelation about billionaire media mogul Rupert Murdoch's role at the company.
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Justin Nelson, an attorney for Dominion, alleged on Tuesday that Fox News withheld information that would have allowed the voting machine company to obtain more of Murdoch's communications in the lawsuit, according to The Washington Post.
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Nelson told Judge Eric Davis that the company was led to believe that Murdoch was only an officer at Fox News' parent company, Fox Corp., but in recent days the company learned that he also has an officer title at Fox News.
"This alone has meant that we are missing a whole bunch of Rupert Murdoch documents that we otherwise would have been entitled to," Nelson said. "It's very troubling that this is where we are. It's something that has really affected how we have litigated this case."
Davis "echoed Nelson's frustration," according to the Post, and said the missing information about Murdoch's title may have affected his decision-making in limiting the scope of the case.
"I could have made an entirely wrong decision," Davis said before calling out the network's "credibility problem."
"My problem is that it's been represented more than once to me that he's not an officer of Fox News," Davis said. "I need to feel comfortable that when you represent something to me, it's the truth. I'm not very happy right now. I don't know why this is such a difficult thing."
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Dominion is suing Fox over false claims made by Trump allies that the company rigged the election against former President Donald Trump. Internal messages released in the lawsuit show that Murdoch, executives and hosts trashed the conspiracy theories they aired and Murdoch acknowledged in his deposition that some hosts "endorsed" the false claims.
An attorney for Fox said that Murdoch's title at Fox News was an "honorific," according to the Post.
"Rupert Murdoch has been listed as executive chairman of Fox News in our [Securities and Exchange Commission] filings for several years and this filing was referenced by Dominion's own attorney during his deposition," a spokesperson for Fox said in a statement.
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Dominion sued Fox Corp. as well as Fox News and were able to depose Murdoch and obtain some of his internal communications but Nelson argued that the company should have received additional documents, adding that Dominion is "still evaluating our options."
The judge said that he does not anticipate the revelation to derail the case but would need to determine how to handle the issue, according to the Post.
"I don't know if this is something we have to turn the battleship around, that it's that big of a deal," he said. "We'll deal with it."
At the end of the hearing, Davis told a Fox attorney, "I'm not mad at you."
"I'm mad at the situation I'm in," he said. "So, I have to figure out how I deal with that."
Jury selection in the trial is slated to begin on Thursday.
Former federal prosecutor Elie Honig, a CNN legal analyst, said he would "feel queasy" heading into the trial if he was an attorney for Fox.
"I would not want to be in the position of defending Fox here. I think they're headed for a full-blown journalistic and legal disaster. It is very difficult to successfully sue a media outlet for defamation in this country… that's a very high bar," he said. "But here we have Fox's own texts in black and white, where they call the election fraud claims, and I quote, 'nuts,' 'insane,' 'B.S.'"
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/12/media/fox-news-dominion-special-master/index.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-a-wire-fraud-investigation-could-create-even-more-problems-for-trump-legal-analyst/ar-AA19SbBA?ocid=Peregrine&cvid=6dfbeda2f56347379f341f3fb91c9f02&ei=18
Trump asking for money from his minions for his defense and using it for almost ANYTHING else. Not his first fraud.
Thousands of acres are underwater in California, and the flood could triple in size this summer
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/15/us/tulare-lake-california-flood-climate/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/18/politics/mccarthy-biden-debt-ceiling/index.html
McCarthy sold his soul to be Speaker, now Biden has him by the nuts. The only 2 men who can raise the debt ceiling are the Majority Leader of the Senate and the Speaker of the House.
McCarthy cant get his own party to agree on ANYTHING, but they default on the US Debit, the republican party will be dead.
https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/fox-news-dominion-trial-04-18-23/index.html
Settlement reached in Dominion defamation lawsuit against Fox News
The hoax of the election, was the republican lies.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-fake-georgia-electors-are-now-ratting-on-each-other/ar-AA1a1mRt?cvid=935575c2ec0440ac935f7b98c28ac8f2&ei=15
All those trump lies laid bare
You — yes, you — are going to pay for the century-old mistake that’s draining the Colorado River
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/you-yes-you-are-going-to-pay-for-the-century-old-mistake-that-s-draining-the-colorado-river/ar-AA1a0aIj?ocid=Peregrine
Its a long article. Water rights are a huge deal out west. This contract is going to go to the courts.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/20/politics/mike-lindell-2020-election/index.html
They both got fired today.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/24/media/tucker-carlson-fox-news/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/24/media/don-lemon-cnn/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/26/politics/kolfage-badolato-sentenced-border-wall-bannon/index.html
Trump con job, phony wall
Two associates of former Donald Trump adviser Steve Bannon were sentenced to more than seven years in prison collectively in connection with defrauding donors of hundreds of thousands of dollars in a border wall scheme, according to a news release from the US Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York.
Brian Kolfage was sentenced to over four years in prison and Andrew Badolato was sentenced to serve three years “in connection with an online crowdfunding campaign known as ‘We Build The Wall’ by soliciting donations using false statements and then stealing the resulting donations,” the US attorney’s office said.
Kolfage, 41, and Badolato, 58, were indicted alongside Bannon and each pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud in April 2022. Kolfage also pleaded guilty to two counts of filing a false tax return and one count of wire fraud in connection with filing a false tax return. Bannon, who pleaded not guilty to the federal charges and denied any wrongdoing, was pardoned by then-President Trump in his final days in office. Bannon still faces charges in New York state court.
Both men were each sentenced to three years of supervised release. Kolfage must also forfeit $17.8 million and pay $2.8 million in restitution. Badolato must forfeit $1.4 million and pay $1.4 million in restitution, according to the release.
US District Judge Analisa Torres said that Kolfage’s and Badalato’s actions would “undoubtedly have a chilling effect” on political donations and that their crime called into question the effectiveness of political involvement.
“The fraud perpetrated by Mr. Kolfage and Mr. Badolato went well beyond defrauding individual donors. They hurt us all,” Torres said in a statement.
Bannon and Kolfage promised donors that the campaign, which ultimately raised more than $25 million, was “a volunteer organization” and that “100% of the funds raised … will be used in the execution of our mission and purpose,” according to the indictment.
But instead, according to prosecutors, Bannon, through a nonprofit under his control, used more than $1 million from We Build the Wall to “secretly” pay Kolfage and cover hundreds of thousands of dollars in Bannon’s personal expenses.
Kolfage, according to the charges, spent more than $350,000 of the donations on personal expenses, including cosmetic surgery, a luxury SUV, a golf cart, payments toward a boat, home renovations, jewelry, personal tax payments and credit card debt.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/opinion-the-unnecessary-price-of-covid-19/ar-AA1ahsLB?cvid=dd5c9a5050d1441ca8667b1611d64ef8&ei=23
According to a new report, half a million Americans may have died unnecessarily of Covid-19. At the same time, the US government spent trillions to deal with the pandemic when better preparedness could have saved many lives and much money. American schools were also closed for many months unnecessarily, with students paying the price.
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The report, “Lessons from the Covid War,” by the Covid Crisis Group, is being published as a 347-page book Tuesday. It will likely stand as the most authoritative account of American policy failures and successes during the war against Covid-19.
The report makes for sobering reading, concluding that “no country’s performance was more disappointing than the United States.” The group came to that conclusion because, despite the great depth of scientific knowledge in the United States, American “excess deaths” during the pandemic were about 40% higher than the European death rate.
If the US had had a similar rate to Europe by the end of 2022, “probably” at least half a million Americans wouldn’t have died, according to the report. That’s a big number. The federal government also deployed $5 trillion to deal with the consequences of the pandemic. That is also a big number.
So how did the US get into this mess?
Given America’s hyper-partisanship, just about everything about the Covid-19 pandemic was deeply politicized – from the precise origins of the coronavirus in China, to lockdowns, mask-wearing, school closures, vaccines, and the best drugs for treatment.
As a result, there has been scant official reckoning over how the government fared during the pandemic and what lessons might be learned for the inevitable next pandemic.
A 2022 bipartisan bill seeking to establish a National Covid Commission never made it to the floor for a vote in the US Congress. This is astonishing when you consider that more Americans have died of Covid – around 1.1 million so far – than all the Americans who died in every US war going back to the American Revolution.
So, without a congressionally mandated inquiry like the 9/11 Commission, 34 American public health experts, physicians, and other policy experts decided to investigate what went right and wrong during the pandemic.
Starting their work in early 2021, the non-partisan Covid Crisis Group conducted “listening sessions” with 274 people who had played some role in responding to the pandemic or had been affected by it.
The group was directed by Philp Zelikow, a leading historian and former senior State Department official in the George W. Bush administration who had also served as the Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission, which had set the gold standard for how to conduct a comprehensive examination of a major catastrophe and the lessons that could be learned from it.
Other members of the Covid Crisis Group included Michael Osterholm of the University of Minnesota who had been publicly warning of the emergence of a global pandemic for a decade and a half before Covid-19 first emerged; Dr. Margaret “Peggy” Hamburg, the former Commissioner of the US Food and Drug Administration and Dr. Ezekiel J. Emanuel, former chair of the Department of Bioethics at the National Institutes of Health.
Origins
The report examines both the “lab leak” theory that the coronavirus accidentally escaped from a research lab in Wuhan, China, and the natural transmission theory that the virus moved from a wild animal into humans. But the report doesn’t come down on the side of either theory, which seems fair enough given the inadequate evidence.
The Chinese government’s penchant for secrecy was on full display in the early days of the outbreak. As a result, the origin issue may never be fully settled as it would have required considerable transparency by the government about what was happening in Wuhan at the beginning of the pandemic.
Yet, as the report points out, “both theories drive toward common urgent insights for action.” If the virus occurred because of animal transmission, that calls for improved surveillance for new viruses, using tools such as monitoring both work absenteeism and Internet searches that might indicate new viruses may be making the rounds, as well as increased biomedical surveillance.
And if it was a lab leak, better safeguards must be put in place for research on viruses worldwide given that “synthetic biology” will likely be one of the defining technologies of the 21st century.
The botched US response
The American health system is a patchwork of 2,800 state and local systems, according to the report. This would have made a coordinated national response to Covid-19 challenging to pull off in any administration, but the Trump administration’s response at the federal level “failed quickly.”
Some Trump officials did understand the likely dimensions of the Covid pandemic early on. Matthew Pottinger, a former Wall Street Journal reporter who spoke Mandarin and had covered the SARS outbreak in China, served as senior director for Asia at the National Security Council. Pottinger warned then-President Donald Trump in late January 2020 that the virus spread quickly from human to human, often without apparent symptoms.
The Trump administration soon banned non-American travelers from China from arriving in the US. While that may have slowed the spread of the virus in the U.S. a bit right at the beginning of the pandemic, travel bans were not especially effective given that the coronavirus is so transmissible, often spreading without symptoms in an age of mass global travel.
A problem in the US government’s early response was the lack of effective tests for the virus during the first months of the pandemic. By contrast, South Korea, better prepared for the emergency, had tens of thousands of tests running daily by mid-February 2020, according to the report.
The report found that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) – despite its name suggesting that it is at the forefront of preventing the spread of disease – didn’t do operational pandemic preparedness, but instead acts as a quasi-academic institution that collects and analyzes data after an incident has happened. In a chilling finding, the report says when it came to tracking Covid-19 cases in the United States, researchers at The Atlantic magazine’s Covid Tracking Project did a better job in real-time than the CDC did.
Compounding the problem at the federal level was President Trump, who, as is well known, continuously played down the threat posed by the virus and refused to wear a mask when masking was one of the few tools that prevented the spread of the virus before vaccines. By April 2020, Trump had decided that Covid wasn’t much worse than the flu, and he wanted to “reopen” the economy as he was “deep into his reelection campaign,” according to the report.
As a result, the Covid Crisis Group concluded that “Trump was a co-morbidity” with Covid. Comorbidity is a medical term meaning that a patient suffers from two or more chronic diseases simultaneously.
With little in the way of federal executive leadership, the war against Covid-19 was left up to the governors of the 50 states and to local authorities. The conventional narrative that red states favored opening up for the economy’s sake and blue states favored shutting down to save lives is overly simplistic, according to the report.
Most states adopted more of a purple approach whether they were run by Republican or Democratic governors – they chose to begin to open up when the virus seemed to be abating, as it was in May 2020, and close back down again whenever the virus came roaring back, as it did in the winter of 2020-2021.
Given the understandable angst that many Americans had over school closures, the report points to some fascinating data from UNESCO showing that in countries like France and Spain, schools closed or partly closed for only two weeks and 15 weeks, respectively. While in the US the average school closures lasted 77 weeks, which particularly affected children from disadvantaged communities and kids with disabilities. “Closed schools, even with remote education, failed many students, particularly those already most at risk for disrupted learning,” the report noted.
The UNESCO school data suggests that there must have been a more thoughtful way to manage American school closures. The report points to research about safe and smart ways to keep schools open that was undertaken by Covid Crisis Group member Danielle Allen of Harvard, Brown University, and the research institution, New America (where I work), as emblematic of an approach that could have been followed but wasn’t. It included developing infection prevention and control programs at each school.
Operation Warp Speed
The operation to develop workable vaccines was a true American success story. The report credits a framework outlined by Richard Danzig, a former US Secretary of the Navy with expertise in biowarfare, who wrote to an informal network of colleagues in late March 2020, advocating for “previously unthinkable government support” for vaccines financially and for expediting their laborious approval process.
Danzig also recommended invoking the Defense Production Act so that the manufacturing of the vaccines could be scaled up quickly. Danzig said that if the right resources were directed at developing a vaccine, it could be available as quickly as only six months, which would be an extraordinarily fast turnaround as typically effective vaccines take five to ten years to develop.
Danzig’s ideas helped germinate Operation Warp Speed, led on the Pentagon side by General Gustave Perna, an expert on logistics, and on the civilian side by a former Big Pharma executive, Dr. Moncef Slaoui. With political top cover provided by the president’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, who supported Operation Warp Speed, General Perna secured $26 billion to fund the operation, according to the report.
The vaccines that succeeded in Operation Warp Speed were based on messenger RNA (mRNA) rather than on a weakened or inactive form of the virus typical of many vaccines. Using mRNA, researchers made cells produce a protein that instigated the immune response against the coronavirus. The basic science of mRNA had been around for decades, but it had never been used in a workable vaccine.
Companies such as Pfizer and Moderna produced effective vaccines in just months. The government invested $1 billion in Moderna and placed another $1.5 billion order for 100 million vaccine doses. Pfizer didn’t take US government money during the research phase for its vaccine, but the government initially guaranteed to buy more than 100 million doses from Pfizer for $1.95 billion.
As Danzig had suggested, the Defense Production Act ensured that the materials needed to make the vaccines were quickly secured. At the same time, the government partnered with major American pharmacy chains to ensure that jabs got into arms quickly once they became available.
The report underlines how a perfect constellation of factors made Operation Warp Speed succeed, including the right leaders at the Pentagon and in the private sector harnessing existing, long-term basic research into mRNA. Operation Warp Speed was arguably the most significant achievement of President Trump and his administration.
Vaccine hesitancy
You might have the best vaccines in the world, but that doesn’t do you much good if there are substantial percentages of your own population who are hesitant to be vaccinated.
A National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine panel co-chaired by Dr. Helene Gayle – who had led efforts to combat AIDS at the CDC – warned in October 2020 that the CDC needed to develop a campaign using behavioral science and social marketing techniques while partnering with hospitals, faith-based organizations, and community centers to help increase vaccination uptake. But as the report notes, “That didn’t happen.”
Vaccinations also became politicized; by July 2022, 90% of Democrats reported being vaccinated to some level, compared to only 69% of Republicans. It turns out that your politics, in this case, could literally kill you.
During the Delta wave of Covid-19 in 2021 and the Omicron wave of 2022, “the vast majority of hospitalized patients were unvaccinated,” according to the report. By early 2022, one study found that there were somewhere between 120,000 and more than 350,000 excess deaths in the US because of vaccine hesitancy.
What should be done?
The key to preparing for the next pandemic is, of course, preparedness. The Covid Crisis Group underlines how “time is everything” when managing a possible pandemic, as just one week can mean the difference between a mere outbreak and the emergence of a full-blown pandemic. That means creating “early warning radars” worldwide that can detect emerging threats and ensuring the most stringent controls at labs around the world doing “gain of function” research so manipulated viruses don’t escape into the outside world.
The Covid Crisis Group has performed a major public service with its comprehensive investigation of the pandemic, an investigation that the US political system proved largely incapable of doing. This itself points to a general failure of American governance that the report underlines on many of its pages.
Still, the publication of this report by a group of concerned experts is also a testament to the enduring strengths of American civil society, which Alexis de Tocqueville had noted in his travels around the United States almost two centuries ago.
If you dont believe there will be another outbreak in the next 20 years, think again. If the government doest make necessary changes, it will be the same results
Racehorse
04-30-2023, 04:45 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/opinion-the-unnecessary-price-of-covid-19/ar-AA1ahsLB?cvid=dd5c9a5050d1441ca8667b1611d64ef8&ei=23
If you dont believe there will be another outbreak in the next 20 years, think again. If the government doest make necessary changes, it will be the same results
I call BS
Lov2fish
04-30-2023, 04:53 PM
I call BS
Of course its BS, its CNN.
Nobody died from Covid, they died with Covid. Huge difference. Even the CDC has came out on several occasions saying the measures taken were to harsh, and recently against the vaccine. It is not like they weren't told by other doctors, but they chose to only listen to Fauci.
omahacolt
04-30-2023, 05:00 PM
Of course its BS, its CNN.
Nobody died from Covid, they died with Covid. Huge difference. Even the CDC has came out on several occasions saying the measures taken were to harsh, and recently against the vaccine. It is not like they weren't told by other doctors, but they chose to only listen to Fauci.
thats fucking retarded.
Colts And Orioles
04-30-2023, 10:41 PM
Nobody died from Covid, they died with Covid.
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Technically, nobody ever died from AIDS ...... they died from AIDS-related complications. The AIDS virus depletes your immune system, making you vulnerable to every disease under the sun. Usually, people with AIDS die from something like pneumonia, but they get pneumonia because the AIDS virus ruined their immune system.
So, while technically nobody may have ever died from COVID, many people have certainly died as a result from having COVID ...... to deny the severity, the seriousness, and the potential deadliness of COVID is tantamount to sticking your fingers in your ear, and saying "No !!! I don't believe it !!!"
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Colts And Orioles
04-30-2023, 10:50 PM
If you don't believe there will be another outbreak in the next 20 years, think again. If the government doesn't make necessary changes, it will be the same results.
o
I don't believe that the results will be the same as when COVID was at its peak, in 2020 and 2021 ...... I think that the worst is behind us.
But I pity the poor bastards who refuse to get the vaccination and the subsequent booster shots while fiercely clinging to their right to be obstinate in the face of disaster.
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I don't believe that the results will be the same as when COVID was at its peak, in 2020 and 2021 ...... I think that the worst is behind us.
But I pity the poor bastards who refuse to get the vaccination and the subsequent booster shots while fiercely clinging to their right to be obstinate in the face of disaster.
o
It may not be covid, some other respiratory virus will mutate and we will be the same boat.
No one fought vaccinations before this pandemic occurred. Before covid children would receive 14 inoculations and then boosters for decades. You dont like what the governments advise, go to the Mayo Clinic site see what they say.
1,000,000 + people in this country died due to covid. The only way to prevent this is better education from the medical community, about vaccinations, masking, social distancing, and better more efficient air handling in buildings like offices with better filters. Schools included. I know the last one sounds silly, but researchers found the school ventilation helped spread it.
And if you dont like what I post, go look at how Japan and S Korea did with covid. They didnt allow politics to get in the way of public health. They have had problems with avian flu and they were ready to follow public health instructions.
Modern global travel is going to bring another virus to our shores. Created by nature or an enemy of this country. It will happen again, and is you want to live in fox la la land, so be it.
Colts And Orioles
05-01-2023, 09:30 AM
And if you don't like what I post ......
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Since you quoted me, where is this coming from?
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Lov2fish
05-01-2023, 01:02 PM
thats fucking retarded.
What is so fucking hard to understand about it? Nobody died from just Covid. They had compromised immune systems and it exasperated their death. In that case a multitude of illness would have killed them. Facts are they weaponized a version of the flu and fucking retards believed all the shit shoved in their faces. That is factual whether you fucking believe it or not.
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Since you quoted me, where is this coming from?
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i was speaking to anyone who answered my post. My apologies I was not clear about that, it was not directed to you
I call BS
Go ahead, the facts support the effects of covid, in this nation and world wide.
There is only one conspiracy, and it is pushed forward those who cant accept the death toll. And the data goes across platforms. Insurance claims, adjustment on family insurance, health AND life. Claims on social security, hospital bills, death certificates, IRS and state tax notification. Job openings, closing or transferring investments due to death.
1 million people + in the US died during the pandemic. Countries that reached 80% + vaccinated had fewer deaths.
If this nation had been able to vaccinate 80% of the adults, the school closings would have been shorter. The mortality with kids was lower, but kids become vectors that spread colds and the yearly flu. We have known this, most rest homes ban little kids during flu season. Japan and S Korea have had mask mandates for DECADES, so many people and so little space. And it works.
How many right wing christian radio personalities died from covid?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/09/16/another-anti-vaccine-radio-host-is-killed-by-covid-adding-to-a-growing-list/?sh=1aff2cb13105
Bullshit that.
Of course its BS, its CNN.
Nobody died from Covid, they died with Covid. Huge difference. Even the CDC has came out on several occasions saying the measures taken were to harsh, and recently against the vaccine. It is not like they weren't told by other doctors, but they chose to only listen to Fauci.
Heres the advise from the CDC
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/interim-considerations-us.html
CDC changed the guild lines because Omicron is less lethal, but is more easily spread. Like H1N1, the 1918 pandemic flu. The flu shot I have received for the last 20 years.
But that shot was not going to work. 100 years had past since the last world pandemic, and the speed that it infected individuals was unprecedented. IU medical struggled with keeping their wards clean during an early part of the pandemic. Someone suggested they start testing the air ducts, and the virus was small enough to get through the filters and recycled though the hospital. Think about all the schools that have central heat/air and all those kids infected but not symptomatic.
The CDC did not have the benefit of hindsight.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/04/politics/proud-boys-seditious-conspiracy-verdict/index.html
And who gVe them their orders?
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3989854-judicial-activist-urged-no-mention-of-ginni-in-arranged-payment-to-clarence-thomass-wife-wapo/
omahacolt
05-05-2023, 05:06 PM
corruption in washington? shocking
I AM SHOCKED
https://youtu.be/SjbPi00k_ME
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/05/politics/georgia-trump-fake-electors-immunity/index.html
Innocent people dont need immunity
Herschel Walker was a joke of a candidate. Now he may be center of a huge scandal.
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnist/mike-freeman/2023/05/05/herschel-walker-joke-candidate-campaign-scandal/70183561007/
Herschel Walker's candidacy for Senate in Georgia last year, when he lost to Raphael Warnock, was always a joke. Walker failed not solely because Warnock was a better candidate, but also because Walker was a first ballot buffoon, and lied with the same kind of ease he did when running over SEC defensive backs.
There are numerous examples of how bad he was but one of the best was when Walker showed up to a debate with a ridiculous special deputy badge to try and boost his law enforcement credentials. It was one of the most farcical moments of the campaign. It was one of the most farcical moments of any campaign.
That was all bad. That was all really, really bad. Yet what Walker is accused of now is so much worse. It didn't seem anything could be, but oh, it is. And none of it should be a surprise.
Read this paragraph. It's from a Daily Beast story published on Tuesday about a plethora of possible crimes Walker may have committed, according to the story. It's one of the most remarkable paragraphs you will read today...this week...this month...ever:
"According to the legal experts who spoke to The Daily Beast for this article, this scheme appears to not just be illegal—it appears to be unparalleled in its audacity and scope. The transactions raise questions about a slew of possible violations. In fact, these experts all said, the scheme was so brazen that it appears to defy explanation, ranking it among the most egregious campaign finance violations in modern history."
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The Daily Beast says emails it obtained shows a scheme by Walker to get money from a billionaire family friend named Dennis Washington under the premise of that cash being a campaign contribution. That's legal. Instead, the Daily Beast says, unbeknownst to Washington and his staff, Walker was asking the billionaire to wire the money, over $500,000, directly to an undisclosed company owned by Walker. If true, that's not legal. That's extremely not legal. That's Goodfellas.
The Daily Beast says that emails show Washington did indeed complete Walker’s wire requests, but Washington believed the money was strictly for Walker's political campaign.
Herschel Walker speaks during a campaign stop in 2022.
In short, this is what Walker is accused of doing, according to the Daily Beast. He allegedly took money that was supposed to be for his campaign, and put it into his own company, HR Talent, the Daily Beast reported.
Two more graphs from the Daily Beast story you should focus on:
"Saurav Ghosh, director of federal reform at Campaign Legal Center, called the arrangement 'jaw-dropping.' Jordan Libowitz, communications director at Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, said if Walker 'used the campaign to funnel money into his own business, that’s one of the biggest campaign finance crimes I’ve ever heard of.' Brendan Fischer, a campaign finance lawyer and deputy executive director of Documented, remarked that the exchanges were 'stunning and, to my knowledge, without parallel in recent history.'”
“Campaign finance laws are designed to prevent massive under-the-table payments like those described here,” Fischer said. “While we don’t have all the facts, these emails point to highly illegal, potentially even criminal activity.”
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One of the lessons from all of this isn't solely about Walker. It's this era we're in; the Era of the Grift. It's not a shock that Walker and Donald Trump are longtime friends because no one is a bigger grifter and fraudster than Trump. If the accusations against Walker are true, he learned a lot from his buddy on how to game the system.
Walker was never a viable candidate and in a way this story gives us a peek at an alternate universe, and we get to see what it would have been like had Walker won. His administration would likely have been one filled with these types of accusations and scandals. Walker wasn't just unqualified; he was embarrassingly so. One of the other scandals was that Walker campaigned on a platform of denying abortion access but multiple women said he paid for theirs. There were also accusations of domestic violence.
People make mistakes but Walker's political life went beyond that. His candidacy seemed like it was birthed because he lost a bet. It was real, though.
Now, if these accusations are true, Walker has bigger problems than his clown-sian campaign. He may need a good lawyer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XsF7nfSEno
How do evangelicals back this creature for president?
His own words, he can do what he wants when he wants to any woman.
bigalbert
05-09-2023, 11:22 AM
Only because it’s the lesser evil. Today’s Democrats seem to be bowing to Satan himself
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Colts And Orioles
05-09-2023, 02:32 PM
Only because it’s the lesser evil. Today’s Democrats seem to be bowing to Satan himself.
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This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats ......
"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal."
EMMA GOLDMAN
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Colts And Orioles
05-09-2023, 02:36 PM
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This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats ......
"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal."
EMMA GOLDMAN
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Liberals and Conservatives are a lot more alike than they are different ...... Barack Obama and Donald Trump are a lot more alike than they are different.
The same is trues of Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan ...... they are a lot more alike than they are different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9etoocgcWm8
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Only because it’s the lesser evil. Today’s Democrats seem to be bowing to Satan himself
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Not true, Trump spends most of each day holding Satan’s coat.
omahacolt
05-09-2023, 05:46 PM
Only because it’s the lesser evil. Today’s Democrats seem to be bowing to Satan himself
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that is retarded
open your eyes dude
Racehorse
05-10-2023, 07:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XsF7nfSEno
How do evangelicals back this creature for president?
His own words, he can do what he wants when he wants to any woman.
I never understood the left interpreting his comments the way they did. To me, what he is saying is that groupies exist. I know that shocks some of the more naïve people on here, but the reality is that they do exist. You all seem upset that Trump acknowledged their existence.
That is not to excuse the pig for how he feels about women, but you all are being disingenuous about it. Biden is the same guy, but he prefers sniffing small girls' hair. Somehow, you give that pig a pass. Both pigs need to go away.
I never understood the left interpreting his comments the way they did. To me, what he is saying is that groupies exist. I know that shocks some of the more naïve people on here, but the reality is that they do exist. You all seem upset that Trump acknowledged their existence.
That is not to excuse the pig for how he feels about women, but you all are being disingenuous about it. Biden is the same guy, but he prefers sniffing small girls' hair. Somehow, you give that pig a pass. Both pigs need to go away.
Trump is a multiple adulterer. Only loyal to hos dick and no one else.
Asshole as a property manager
https://money.cnn.com/2016/03/28/news/trump-apartment-tenants/
Fake charity
https://apnews.com/article/campaigns-donald-trump-us-news-ap-top-news-lawsuits-7b8d0f5ce9cb4cadad948c2c414afd57
List of criminal charges, present
https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-key-cases-civil-criminal-investigations-lawsuits-updates-2022-7
Did Biden ever meet with Putin with no other US offical in the room
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/17/politics/donald-trump-putin-meeting/index.html
Start your own thread on Biden and I will probably agree with some of it. Trump has only loyalty to himself and and NO ONE else. You are just another sucker to be fleeced.
Oh, one more thing. John McCain. Trump is a draft dogging, lying mother fucker, when he defamed McCain, saying he didnt like people who surrender. That was it for me. Trump isnt qualify to carry McCain’s suit case let alone critic his service record.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/it-was-really-bad-two-ex-aides-say-they-witnessed-trump-s-sexual-harassment-in-the-white-house/ar-AA1b0Lvj?cvid=9dbbcba071904b17b8eef369155e55f3&ei=55
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/09/politics/george-santos-charged-justice-department/index.html
And the Majority leader wont condemn this clown.
This is the trump effect, its killing the Republican party.
bigalbert
05-10-2023, 10:26 PM
that is retarded
open your eyes dude
I hope someday your eyes are opened
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AlwaysSunnyinIndy
05-11-2023, 01:12 AM
Today’s Democrats seem to be bowing to Satan himself
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Just curious - exactly which Democrats worship the devil? I'd like you to name names.
Personally, I don't care who you name - I don't affiliate with either of the two major political parties. But if you are going to make that assertion - I would like some names.
Racehorse
05-11-2023, 07:28 AM
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Oh, one more thing.
LOL, you added two more after this. Your hate and blindness is laughable. But, you can have the last word. Just more stupid shit from you.
LOL, you added two more after this. Your hate and blindness is laughable. But, you can have the last word. Just more stupid shit from you.
I added because there is so much trump has done to kill the republican party. Im a former Republican, I didnt leave the GOP, it left me. It has become cruel, how it treats women and minorities. The pubs have sold their soul to gun lobby, they have thoughts and prayers for gun victims, but refuse to common sense laws to protect children in schools. They prefer arming every educator, and turn the schools into forts than prevent the crazies or criminals from acquiring guns that can kill 40 kids a second.
https://massshootingtracker.site/data/?year=2023
I have daughters and your party believes that the government should be in control of their uterus. My republican party was one that tried to limit government control of our lives. Your gop wants a white christian nation where women stay at home, and minorities are put in their place.
He called for a violent overthrow of this nation. He did it again last night.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/10/politics/fact-check-donald-trump-town-hall/index.html
Stop watching fox news, wake up.
Judge orders Trump to attend lecture on how not to violate evidence disclosure rules: report
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/judge-orders-trump-to-attend-lecture-on-how-not-to-violate-evidence-disclosure-rules-report/ar-AA1b4vSV?cvid=9c59f291577d4b57b474e695a0db0623&ei=48
Racehorse
05-12-2023, 07:25 AM
I added because there is so much trump has done to kill the republican party. Im a former Republican, I didnt leave the GOP, it left me. It has become cruel, how it treats women and minorities. The pubs have sold their soul to gun lobby, they have thoughts and prayers for gun victims, but refuse to common sense laws to protect children in schools. They prefer arming every educator, and turn the schools into forts than prevent the crazies or criminals from acquiring guns that can kill 40 kids a second.
https://massshootingtracker.site/data/?year=2023
I have daughters and your party believes that the government should be in control of their uterus. My republican party was one that tried to limit government control of our lives. Your gop wants a white christian nation where women stay at home, and minorities are put in their place.
He called for a violent overthrow of this nation. He did it again last night.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/10/politics/fact-check-donald-trump-town-hall/index.html
Stop watching fox news, wake up.
Dumbass, I have not watched Fox News in many years. I am also libertarian, so you are wrong thee, too. You label people with your prejudices, and then accuse others of prejudice. You are an assclown when it comes to politics. Stick to football, where you actually make good points.
Dumbass, I have not watched Fox News in many years. I am also libertarian, so you are wrong thee, too. You label people with your prejudices, and then accuse others of prejudice. You are an assclown when it comes to politics. Stick to football, where you actually make good points.
Its facts, he is a traitor and fraud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBIG5Tv0fZk
smitty46953
05-12-2023, 02:58 PM
I refrain from the political discussions. With that said should Donald Trump end up winning the next election, should we set up a "Go Fund Me" for JAFF's impending mental breakdown? TDS seems to be quite the disease !!! :rolleyes:
I refrain from the political discussions. With that said should Donald Trump end up winning the next election, should we set up a "Go Fund Me" for JAFF's impending mental breakdown? TDS seems to be quite the disease !!! :rolleyes:
I back up my words with documentation. Trump continues to say the election was rigged. Hes wrong. He urged others to commit fraud, they have him on tape.
Racehorse
05-12-2023, 05:40 PM
I refrain from the political discussions. With that said should Donald Trump end up winning the next election, should we set up a "Go Fund Me" for JAFF's impending mental breakdown? TDS seems to be quite the disease !!! :rolleyes:
I hope he doesn't run. However, if he were to run, get the nomination and win, it would be funny to see what happens to Jaff. I worry about what will happen to the nation, though.
Spike
05-13-2023, 12:22 AM
I hope he doesn't run. However, if he were to run, get the nomination and win, it would be funny to see what happens to Jaff. I worry about what will happen to the nation, though.
Can't be much worse than what is happening now under the Biden administration. I will still vote for Trump over Biden in 2024 if that is who are two choices are. Not sure America can survive another 4 years of this current shit show. Those are just the facts, I don't give a shit how many sorry ass CNN posts Jaff keeps posting. Trump keeps hurting people's feelings, well grow a fucking pair.
For the record, I don't watch Fox either.
I really don't care about the republican or democrat parties. They have both let us down big time.
Fuck the democrats and the Rinos. Tired of these fuckers screwing us all, I didn't fight for this shit and to be truthful, I wouldn't ever again. America as it is now, has lost me.
Racehorse
05-13-2023, 09:39 AM
Can't be much worse than what is happening now under the Biden administration. I will still vote for Trump over Biden in 2024 if that is who are two choices are. Not sure America can survive another 4 years of this current shit show. Those are just the facts, I don't give a shit how many sorry ass CNN posts Jaff keeps posting. Trump keeps hurting people's feelings, well grow a fucking pair.
For the record, I don't watch Fox either.
I really don't care about the republican or democrat parties. They have both let us down big time.
Fuck the democrats and the Rinos. Tired of these fuckers screwing us all, I didn't fight for this shit and to be truthful, I wouldn't ever again. America as it is now, has lost me.
About ten years ago, I decided to let my political beliefs take a back seat. I was more interested in the people around me, and had learned that both parties are not really out to help anyone but themselves. The voters were more of a "Yay! Rah! Team!" type, where winning elections and the other side failing was more important than what happened to the country. It became sickening. Case in point; when COVID first emerged, Trump wanted toclose the borders, and the left disagreed. Then, when Trump softened his stance, the left decided COVID was this scary boogeyman, and Trump was ignoring it. Truly sickening!
During this time, I was able to analyze the parties, and rejected them both. I learned the principles of libertarianism, which the party actually does not follow, were more closely aligned with the actual Constitution. You know, stuff like freedoms. The tow major parties want to control certain aspects of our lives. Rs want to control our morality, and Ds want to control our thoughts and actions. Truly disgusting! A party in control with enough power to control either side is too powerful for me.
Second case in point: When Obama was elected, he was called the Messiah by the left. The right fumed. However, when Trump was elected, the right called him their Messiah. Sickening, how the parties act.
Spike
05-13-2023, 11:06 AM
About ten years ago, I decided to let my political beliefs take a back seat. I was more interested in the people around me, and had learned that both parties are not really out to help anyone but themselves. The voters were more of a "Yay! Rah! Team!" type, where winning elections and the other side failing was more important than what happened to the country. It became sickening. Case in point; when COVID first emerged, Trump wanted toclose the borders, and the left disagreed. Then, when Trump softened his stance, the left decided COVID was this scary boogeyman, and Trump was ignoring it. Truly sickening!
During this time, I was able to analyze the parties, and rejected them both. I learned the principles of libertarianism, which the party actually does not follow, were more closely aligned with the actual Constitution. You know, stuff like freedoms. The tow major parties want to control certain aspects of our lives. Rs want to control our morality, and Ds want to control our thoughts and actions. Truly disgusting! A party in control with enough power to control either side is too powerful for me.
Second case in point: When Obama was elected, he was called the Messiah by the left. The right fumed. However, when Trump was elected, the right called him their Messiah. Sickening, how the parties act.
I'm with you brother.
I live in California, and this once great state has been ruined by the democrats.
SF and LA are both shit holes now.
I only vote for republicans now, because, in my opinion, it is the lesser of two evils.
Both fucking parties are too strong which fucks us all, there will never be a 3rd party strong enough to overtake either party, at least in my lifetime.
Jaff is part of the problem, his whole focus is on Trump. He has never once criticized a fucking democrat, at least not that I know of.
As an individual who has fought for this country along with my dad and uncles, I will say this, fuck both the democrat and republican parties. Neither party gives a shit about you or me.
In closing this rant, I will say this. Trump is way better than that clown Biden is in running this country.
I'm with you brother.
I live in California, and this once great state has been ruined by the democrats.
SF and LA are both shit holes now.
I only vote for republicans now, because, in my opinion, it is the lesser of two evils.
Both fucking parties are too strong which fucks us all, there will never be a 3rd party strong enough to overtake either party, at least in my lifetime.
Jaff is part of the problem, his whole focus is on Trump. He has never once criticized a fucking democrat, at least not that I know of.
As an individual who has fought for this country along with my dad and uncles, I will say this, fuck both the democrat and republican parties. Neither party gives a shit about you or me.
In closing this rant, I will say this. Trump is way better than that clown Biden is in running this country.
If anyone, what ever their party, tries to overthrow the government of this nation, I wont hold my voice.
Find a Dem who has violated the law, I will say prosecute him. Find some who tries to subvert the legal process, charge them.
Trump is a criminal, and a traitor to this nation. If there is evidence of ANY government official that proves a criminal act, I want him prosecuted. No matter who it is or party.
bigalbert
05-13-2023, 05:19 PM
If anyone, what ever their party, tries to overthrow the government of this nation, I wont hold my voice.
Find a Dem who has violated the law, I will say prosecute him. Find some who tries to subvert the legal process, charge them.
Trump is a criminal, and a traitor to this nation. If there is evidence of ANY government official that proves a criminal act, I want him prosecuted. No matter who it is or party.
So what about the Clinton campaign paying for a fake dossier that said Trump was in cahoots with Putin. Or do you still believe it
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bigalbert
05-13-2023, 05:33 PM
Just curious - exactly which Democrats worship the devil? I'd like you to name names.
Personally, I don't care who you name - I don't affiliate with either of the two major political parties. But if you are going to make that assertion - I would like some names.
It’s the party in general and their core beliefs. I live my life from a biblical perspective, when this country started degrading human life the dems made it their platform and they now have with this woke culture, I’ve never seen anything so sick as when the New York democrats passed a bill allowing abortion at any time and they were standing and cheering. Life is sacred. Now today they are pushing for children to get disfigured at any age and change their sex. Democrats now don’t even know what the definition of a woman is. It’s mental illness as John Hopkins has come out and said. We need a revival. By the way, I’m a white Christian who believes Jesus Christ is the son of God and died and rose again and lives, and the democrats label me a racist. So when I say they seem to be bowing to Satan himself it is pretty obvious.
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So what about the Clinton campaign paying for a fake dossier that said Trump was in cahoots with Putin. Or do you still believe it
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I know as President he met with Putin behind closed doors for 2 hrs with no one else in the room.
What was he doing? The voters have a right to know.
I like the way you used the word cahoots. Very Elmore Leonard
Spike
05-13-2023, 07:25 PM
It’s the party in general and their core beliefs. I live my life from a biblical perspective, when this country started degrading human life the dems made it their platform and they now have with this woke culture, I’ve never seen anything so sick as when the New York democrats passed a bill allowing abortion at any time and they were standing and cheering. Life is sacred. Now today they are pushing for children to get disfigured at any age and change their sex. Democrats now don’t even know what the definition of a woman is. It’s mental illness as John Hopkins has come out and said. We need a revival. By the way, I’m a white Christian who believes Jesus Christ is the son of God and died and rose again and lives, and the democrats label me a racist. So when I say they seem to be bowing to Satan himself it is pretty obvious.
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Excellent point brother.
Spike
05-13-2023, 07:31 PM
I know as President he met with Putin behind closed doors for 2 hrs with no one else in the room.
What was he doing? The voters have a right to know.
I like the way you used the word cahoots. Very Elmore Leonard
Big fucking deal Jaff. What about every other politician not named Trump?
You're worried about that when the democrats or ruining the country.
Your political BS that you spew on this board is so fucking pathetic.
Go drink a Bud Light bitch.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/12/us/fusion-energy-livermore-lab-climate/index.html
Racehorse
05-14-2023, 08:56 AM
I didn't read the entire article, but it seems they are using an awful lot of energy to produce a minute fraction of that energy for the tiniest fraction of a second.
omahacolt
05-14-2023, 11:43 AM
It’s the party in general and their core beliefs. I live my life from a biblical perspective, when this country started degrading human life the dems made it their platform and they now have with this woke culture, I’ve never seen anything so sick as when the New York democrats passed a bill allowing abortion at any time and they were standing and cheering. Life is sacred. Now today they are pushing for children to get disfigured at any age and change their sex. Democrats now don’t even know what the definition of a woman is. It’s mental illness as John Hopkins has come out and said. We need a revival. By the way, I’m a white Christian who believes Jesus Christ is the son of God and died and rose again and lives, and the democrats label me a racist. So when I say they seem to be bowing to Satan himself it is pretty obvious.
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what kind of idiotic bullshit is this? did fox news actually type this out for you?
a trumper and a christian is the epitome of hypocrisy. no self respecting christian can look at how trump has lived his life and worship him.
the democrats are dipshits for sure but there is no doubt you have no idea what democrats actually stand for. you just regurgitate whatever that clown MTG shouts out of her caveman looking face
omahacolt
05-14-2023, 11:51 AM
and what the fuck is this "woke" culture you republicans keep bitching about? what does that even mean?
and by "you republicans" i mean even the ones that claim they are not but follow their every marching order and jerk off to hannity and tucker daily.
omahacolt
05-14-2023, 11:56 AM
I refrain from the political discussions. With that said should Donald Trump end up winning the next election, should we set up a "Go Fund Me" for JAFF's impending mental breakdown? TDS seems to be quite the disease !!! :rolleyes:
i just find it odd that any self respecting man could actually like trump.
its perfectly understandable why people dislike him. he has zero redeeming qualities. does anyone here look at trump and think "i hope my son grows up to be just like trump"
Colts And Orioles
05-14-2023, 12:40 PM
I just find it odd that any self-respecting man could actually like Trump.
It's perfectly understandable why people dislike him ...... he has zero redeeming qualities ...... l does anyone here look at Trump and think, "I hope that my son grows up to be just like Donald Trump."
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Unfortunately, this country is loaded with people like that ..... I would say that about 20 to 25 percent of American parents would have no problem being associated with that sentiment.
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Colts And Orioles
05-14-2023, 12:47 PM
It’s the party in general and their core beliefs. I live my life from a biblical perspective, when this country started degrading human life the Dems made it their platform and they now have with this woke culture, I’ve never seen anything so sick as when the New York democrats passed a bill allowing abortion at any time and they were standing and cheering. Life is sacred. Now today they are pushing for children to get disfigured at any age and change their sex. Democrats now don’t even know what the definition of a woman is. It’s mental illness as John Hopkins has come out and said. We need a revival. By the way, I’m a white Christian who believes Jesus Christ is the son of God and died and rose again and lives, and the democrats label me a racist. So when I say they seem to be bowing to Satan himself it is pretty obvious.
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Life is sacred ??? Really ???
As usual, I will defer to the master in regard to that line of total bullshit ......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY95vuEjTTE
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Lov2fish
05-14-2023, 01:31 PM
Fuck the two party crime ring. Neither one of them give a flying fuck whether you like them. Their sole purpose is to use you as means to an end. The fucktards who let Trump live in their head rent free deserve all the mental abuse they give themselves.
Colts And Orioles
05-14-2023, 02:11 PM
Fuck the two party crime ring. Neither one of them give a flying fuck whether you like them. Their sole purpose is to use you as means to an end. l The fucktards who let Trump live in their head rent-free deserve all the mental abuse they give themselves.
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As I stated earlier in this thread, Donald Trump and Barack Obama are a lot more alike than they are different ...... the same is true of Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter, and George McGovern and Richard Nixon ...... they are all a lot more alike than they are different.
If you truly believe that there is a bona-fide, fundamental difference between Republicans and Democrats, you are wasting your time. The politicians are not the cause of societies' problems, and they are not the solution, either ...... they are mere figureheads, there to give you the illusion that you actually have some control over what happens in our society (you don't.)
The owners of this country, THE REAL owners (the big, wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions) are the ones who run things, always entirely to their advantage ...... not the politicians (the figureheads), and not the voters (the reactionaries who fight with each other over crumbs, while the wealthy, upper 1% of the country continues to go to the bank with the money that they formulaically steal from the working-class.)
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I didn't read the entire article, but it seems they are using an awful lot of energy to produce a minute fraction of that energy for the tiniest fraction of a second.
Yes, the trick is keeping it going. Its how stars create energy, taking Hydrogen crushing it together to form helium. Increase mass, releasing radiation of enegy.
It’s the party in general and their core beliefs. I live my life from a biblical perspective, when this country started degrading human life the dems made it their platform and they now have with this woke culture, I’ve never seen anything so sick as when the New York democrats passed a bill allowing abortion at any time and they were standing and cheering. Life is sacred. Now today they are pushing for children to get disfigured at any age and change their sex. Democrats now don’t even know what the definition of a woman is. It’s mental illness as John Hopkins has come out and said. We need a revival. By the way, I’m a white Christian who believes Jesus Christ is the son of God and died and rose again and lives, and the democrats label me a racist. So when I say they seem to be bowing to Satan himself it is pretty obvious.
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Heres the deal, this nation was formed to have the freedom FOR and the freedom FROM religion. No ones religious concepts can be forced on anyone else. I had a daughter who lost a child in her pregnancy. The doctors save her life, so her other children wouldnt grow up without their mother. Only a woman and her doctor should be making decisions about her health care. Not the church.
Lov2fish
05-14-2023, 03:21 PM
o
As I stated earlier in this thread, Donald Trump and Barack Obama are a lot more alike than they are different ...... the same is true of Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter, and George McGovern and Richard Nixon ...... they are all a lot more alike than they are different.
If you truly believe that there is a bona-fide, fundamental difference between Republicans and Democrats, you are wasting your time. The politicians are not the cause of societies' problems, and they are not the solution, either ...... they are mere figureheads, there to give you the illusion that you actually have some control over what happens in our society (you don't.)
The owners of this country, THE REAL owners (the big, wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions) are the ones who run things, always entirely to their advantage ...... not the politicians (the figureheads), and not the voters (the reactionaries who fight with each other over crumbs, while the wealthy, upper 1% of the country continue to go to the bank with the money that they formulaically steal from the working-class.)
o
I agree with most of that. The only distinct difference in party is? How they lie to you to gain a vote. Other than that, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Spike
05-14-2023, 05:46 PM
I thank
I thanked this by mistake, too many Pabst's I guess.. please remove my thanks.
Lov2fish
05-14-2023, 06:08 PM
Heres the deal, this nation was formed to have the freedom FOR and the freedom FROM religion. No ones religious concepts can be forced on anyone else. I had a daughter who lost a child in her pregnancy. The doctors save her life, so her other children wouldnt grow up without their mother. Only a woman and her doctor should be making decisions about her health care. Not the church.
This we agree on yet again. Incest, rape or the mother will die, I am a proponent of pregnancy termination. Falling on your back with your legs in the air and getting knocked up is on you, not the child. You don't get to kill someone because you're a moral bankrupt dipshit. Abortion is not health care, it's fucking murder.
This we agree on yet again. Incest, rape or the mother will die, I am a proponent of pregnancy termination. Falling on your back with your legs in the air and getting knocked up is on you, not the child. You don't get to kill someone because you're a moral bankrupt dipshit. Abortion is not health care, it's fucking murder.
Yet, the religious right wants to prevent access to a morning after pill to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.
By the way, if someone wants to have consensual sex, that is none of your “fucking” business. That is their choice. Their RIGHT, to associate and live their lives as they see fit.
We have the freedom for religion and also the freedom FROM religion. Insisting women carry an unintended or unwanted pregnancy to term is something the Taliban would do.
The AG of Indiana tried to prosecute an Indiana doctor for giving a female an abortion due to rape. She was 10 years old. She would have died trying to give birth. Thats the republican taliban, forcing their religious belief against a necessary medical procedure.
At least you could make it fair. If you make a woman carry to term an unwanted pregnancy, the man involved gets neutered. Cut off some dicks would definitely get the message across
bigalbert
05-14-2023, 11:06 PM
what kind of idiotic bullshit is this? did fox news actually type this out for you?
a trumper and a christian is the epitome of hypocrisy. no self respecting christian can look at how trump has lived his life and worship him.
the democrats are dipshits for sure but there is no doubt you have no idea what democrats actually stand for. you just regurgitate whatever that clown MTG shouts out of her caveman looking face
Reading comprehension is a must. I said Trump was the lesser of 2 evils. You are a typical example of a leftist progressive filled with rage and hate. There’s a huge difference between what I wrote and what you assumed
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bigalbert
05-14-2023, 11:08 PM
Heres the deal, this nation was formed to have the freedom FOR and the freedom FROM religion. No ones religious concepts can be forced on anyone else. I had a daughter who lost a child in her pregnancy. The doctors save her life, so her other children wouldnt grow up without their mother. Only a woman and her doctor should be making decisions about her health care. Not the church.
I had a child who died from cancer, I would have died so he could live.
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bigalbert
05-14-2023, 11:10 PM
o
Life is sacred ??? Really ???
As usual, I will defer to the master in regard to that line of total bullshit ......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY95vuEjTTE
o
Yes life is sacred
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omahacolt
05-14-2023, 11:50 PM
Reading comprehension is a must. I said Trump was the lesser of 2 evils. You are a typical example of a leftist progressive filled with rage and hate. There’s a huge difference between what I wrote and what you assumed
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i am absolutely not a leftist. in no way filled with rage and hate. granted, bigotry and ignorance does annoy me quite a bit.
your lesser of two evils tried to overthrow the government.
Spike
05-15-2023, 01:32 AM
i am absolutely not a leftist. in no way filled with rage and hate. granted, bigotry and ignorance does annoy me quite a bit.
your lesser of two evils tried to overthrow the government.
Well, some people say that, some people say that's BS. Personally I don't know which side is telling the truth. Probably both sides are lying out of their ass. Again, I don't fucking know.
I do not watch any news channels, including Fox.
Really, the only thing that concerns me is my family, friends, and the great people of this country. And I see what the democrats are doing and it isn't good.
I live in California and I can tell you that democrats have fucked up this once great state. Nobody who lives in Cal. wants to go to LA or SF anymore.
Portland, Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, Seattle, etc... and the list goes on are just a few cities I would never visit, all run by democrats.
I am neither a republican or democrat. But the reality is that the democrats are, IMHO, the bigger evil. That's why thousands are fleeing this state. Taxes and fines are way out of hand and the two cities I mentioned are shit holes now. I saw a clip the other day in which Sonny H said she would like Newsome as the president because he was good to look at. WTF? Is that how we are all voting for now. Hell, I should run for president then, I'm much better looking than him, LOL.
Just for the record, I don't watch the View.
Jaff alway posts shit here bashing Trump, which is his right. But I have never seen him bash any democrats, not one. Which in my opinion is what is wrong in this country. Both the republicans and democrats have done bad shit for this country.
Anybody who thinks Biden is doing a good job is fucking brain dead. I actually feel sorry for the guy, he's old and decrepit. If I was a family member, I would try and get him removed, or maybe not, then we would have Kamala as our President, that would be even worse.
As a veteran, I didn't sign up for this shit.
Colts And Orioles
05-15-2023, 05:36 AM
o
Life is sacred ??? Really ???
As usual, I will defer to the master in regard to that line of total bullshit ......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY95vuEjTTE
o
Yes, life is sacred.
o
Except that anybody with a brain in their head and an IQ north of 88 knows that that is an out-and-out lie.
Just because you regurgitate a nonsensical refrain with no basis in reality, doesn't make it fact ...... you may as well say l "Yes, the world is flat."
o
bigalbert
05-15-2023, 08:55 AM
o
Except that anybody with a brain in their head and an IQ north of 88 knows that that is an out-and-out lie.
Just because you regurgitate a nonsensical refrain with no basis in reality, doesn't make it fact ...... you may as well say l "Yes, the world is flat."
o
If you live life with a biblical world view you would understand as I do that the body (me) is the temple of Christ. He lives in me and I in him. The Holy Spirit guides me and shapes me. I was born in sin and full of evil and wanted nothing to do with God. But Jesus kept calling me and I would run away and hide in the booze, drugs, and women, and try to find happiness in all of that because sin is so much fun but it did nothing but lead me into more despair. And Jesus was there with me with his arms open wide and He asked me, how long are you going to deny me? Come and I will give you rest and I knelt before him asked Him to help me and he lifted me up and called me friend. I stopped drinking and doing drugs and had a new respect for women, it was the most amazing thing and now I live for Him. I owe my life to Him. Yes life is sacred.
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Colts And Orioles
05-15-2023, 09:37 AM
If you live life with a biblical world view ......
o
Then you would know that people have killed each other in the name of God more than any other reason in the past several thousand years. It's right up there with alcohol, tobacco, and drugs.
If you study history, even modestly, you would know that God is one of the leading causes of death in the world, and has been for thousands of years. Jews, Christians, Hindus, Muslims, all taking turns killing each other because their "God" told them that it was a good idea ...... and more than 50 percent of the people in those groups have professed to doing what they do because of their interpretation of the Bible, as do you ...... you (and they) have staked their claim to living their lives from a Biblical view.
o
Racehorse
05-15-2023, 11:54 AM
o
Then you would know that people have killed each other in the name of God more than any other reason in the past several thousand years. It's right up there with alcohol, tobacco, and drugs.
If you study history, even modestly, you would know that God is one of the leading causes of death in the world, and has been for thousands of years. Jews, Christians, Hindus, Muslims, all taking turns killing each other because their "God" told them that it was a good idea ...... and more than 50 percent of the people in those groups have professed to doing what they do because of their interpretation of the Bible, as do you ...... you (and they) have staked their claim to living their lives from a Biblical view.
oanyone who has read the New Testament and claims to be following the Bible to justify killing an innocent person is delusional. Anyone who claims Christianity authorizes killing an innocent human being is lying.
bigalbert
05-15-2023, 12:03 PM
o
Then you would know that people have killed each other in the name of God more than any other reason in the past several thousand years. It's right up there with alcohol, tobacco, and drugs.
If you study history, even modestly, you would know that God is one of the leading causes of death in the world, and has been for thousands of years. Jews, Christians, Hindus, Muslims, all taking turns killing each other because their "God" told them that it was a good idea ...... and more than 50 percent of the people in those groups have professed to doing what they do because of their interpretation of the Bible, as do you ...... you (and they) have staked their claim to living their lives from a Biblical view.
o
The Bible doesn’t end in the Old Testament. The crusades were against Gods will for mankind after the revelation of Christ. One quick read thru the New Testament reveals that. I live my life as Jesus taught me to do to the best of my human ability and I still fail. Many who say they are Christian are not. Satan is very powerful and has lead many down the path of destruction.
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Jaff alway posts shit here bashing Trump, which is his right. But I have never seen him bash any democrats, not one. Which in my opinion is what is wrong in this country. Both the republicans and democrats have done bad shit for this country.
Anybody who thinks Biden is doing a good job is fucking brain dead. I actually feel sorry for the guy, he's old and decrepit. If I was a family member, I would try and get him removed, or maybe not, then we would have Kamala as our President, that would be even worse.
As a veteran, I didn't sign up for this shit.
If any politician what ever the party overtly tries to subvert the will of the people and falsely claim the election is rigged I will shout to the rafters, for their arrest, conviction and inprisonment.
Trump call for the riot at the capitol, for the crowed to attack and stop the electoral college. Attempted to convince, elected officials to commit fraud on the counting of ballots for the presidential election. In Georgia where there are recordings of him demanding the Georgia officials “find” more votes that did not exsist. He stole government documents and did not secure them in a manner that is prescribed by law. That every president before him has followed. And then he lied as he has about so many things that people just become numb to it.
Donald Trump is an evil man. Just go back and look at his history. It’s right there. The only thing he cares about is himself
This isnt about party. This is about a very evil man, and if he were a democrat, I would be yelling to the rafter just as I have been.
Spike you are a veteran who serve this country. You have my utmost respect for just that. Donald Trump took advantage of his families, wealth to duck the draft, and avoid serving in any kind a position in the military or the Peace Corps. He’s a huckster he’s a con artist he’s a liar, he is not fit to be your commander-in-chief. If anything, he’s a commander-in- THIEF.
bigalbert
05-15-2023, 05:39 PM
Jaff you see the Durham report? Trump was right about everything.
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omahacolt
05-15-2023, 07:27 PM
Jaff you see the Durham report? Trump was right about everything.
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highly unlikely this is holds much water
omahacolt
05-15-2023, 07:44 PM
Well, some people say that, some people say that's BS. Personally I don't know which side is telling the truth. Probably both sides are lying out of their ass. Again, I don't fucking know.
I do not watch any news channels, including Fox.
Really, the only thing that concerns me is my family, friends, and the great people of this country. And I see what the democrats are doing and it isn't good.
I live in California and I can tell you that democrats have fucked up this once great state. Nobody who lives in Cal. wants to go to LA or SF anymore.
Portland, Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, Seattle, etc... and the list goes on are just a few cities I would never visit, all run by democrats.
I am neither a republican or democrat. But the reality is that the democrats are, IMHO, the bigger evil. That's why thousands are fleeing this state. Taxes and fines are way out of hand and the two cities I mentioned are shit holes now. I saw a clip the other day in which Sonny H said she would like Newsome as the president because he was good to look at. WTF? Is that how we are all voting for now. Hell, I should run for president then, I'm much better looking than him, LOL.
Just for the record, I don't watch the View.
Jaff alway posts shit here bashing Trump, which is his right. But I have never seen him bash any democrats, not one. Which in my opinion is what is wrong in this country. Both the republicans and democrats have done bad shit for this country.
Anybody who thinks Biden is doing a good job is fucking brain dead. I actually feel sorry for the guy, he's old and decrepit. If I was a family member, I would try and get him removed, or maybe not, then we would have Kamala as our President, that would be even worse.
As a veteran, I didn't sign up for this shit.
as a veteran, did you sign up for trumpers storming the capital? of course they tried to stop the election from being certified. that much is clearly obvious. he was telling pence not to certify the election. he did that publicly.
trump enjoyed continuing economic growth that started under obama. then covid happened and everything went to shit. i don't blame that on trump and i don't blame biden for what he is dealing with. especially considering the corporate price gouging that is destroying the working man. corporate profits are through the roof.
trumps tax cuts were a disaster for the working class. great for the rich. covid was great for the rich. these people are running the show. these people were trumps bosses and they are bidens boss.
your perception of how the country is doing is a direct reflection of the information you are consuming. pretending everything is bidens fault is just as bad as democrats blaming everything on trump.
we are on the same side. us arguing here over culture war bullshit is exactly what they want. i say it all the time and i experience it all the time. if everyone in this thread sat down for a beer or a cup of coffee, we would find we aren't far off on our values at all. common ground isn't far away at all.
trump is a piece of shit and biden is old and not fit for office. neither should be president.
Lov2fish
05-15-2023, 08:22 PM
highly unlikely this is holds much water
Why, because it proves the crayon eater didn't do the shit they said? Way to be completely unbiased. Exactly why tribal politics is farce. If it was Biden or Obama it would be perfectly acceptable I'll bet? Yea, you know I am 100% fucking right.
bigalbert
05-15-2023, 08:25 PM
as a veteran, did you sign up for trumpers storming the capital? of course they tried to stop the election from being certified. that much is clearly obvious. he was telling pence not to certify the election. he did that publicly.
trump enjoyed continuing economic growth that started under obama. then covid happened and everything went to shit. i don't blame that on trump and i don't blame biden for what he is dealing with. especially considering the corporate price gouging that is destroying the working man. corporate profits are through the roof.
trumps tax cuts were a disaster for the working class. great for the rich. covid was great for the rich. these people are running the show. these people were trumps bosses and they are bidens boss.
your perception of how the country is doing is a direct reflection of the information you are consuming. pretending everything is bidens fault is just as bad as democrats blaming everything on trump.
we are on the same side. us arguing here over culture war bullshit is exactly what they want. i say it all the time and i experience it all the time. if everyone in this thread sat down for a beer or a cup of coffee, we would find we aren't far off on our values at all. common ground isn't far away at all.
trump is a piece of shit and biden is old and not fit for office. neither should be president.
Trump tax cuts benefited the middle class more than any other cut in history. Even the New York Times published it. A family of 4 paid approximately 6000 less. I’m prolly upper middle class and I saved 3700. Please post facts
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Jaff you see the Durham report? Trump was right about everything.
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If Hillary gets arrested, lets have a party.
Hillary vs Donnie = Hitler vs Stalin. Thats how far we have fallen.
omahacolt
05-15-2023, 10:43 PM
Why, because it proves the crayon eater didn't do the shit they said? Way to be completely unbiased. Exactly why tribal politics is farce. If it was Biden or Obama it would be perfectly acceptable I'll bet? Yea, you know I am 100% fucking right.
no
because the small amount i looked at read like an opinion piece. lets see some actual indictments from it. my guess is there really isn't much there but i will happily applaud the consequences of any wrongdoing if i am wrong.
dude i don't give a shit. if it is hillary, obama, trump or any politician, if you did some shit then you need to be held accountable like everyone else.
omahacolt
05-15-2023, 10:45 PM
Trump tax cuts benefited the middle class more than any other cut in history. Even the New York Times published it. A family of 4 paid approximately 6000 less. I’m prolly upper middle class and I saved 3700. Please post facts
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you think that tax cut was for the middle class?
the tax cut that is going away for the middle class but the not for the top earners? pretty much anywhere you look it will tell you this was a huge win for the wealthiest people and corporations. i mean this isn't hard to look up
Colts And Orioles
05-16-2023, 06:34 AM
anyone who has read the New Testament and claims to be following the Bible to justify killing an innocent person is delusional. Anyone who claims Christianity authorizes killing an innocent human being is lying.
The Bible doesn’t end in the Old Testament. The crusades were against Gods will for mankind after the revelation of Christ. One quick read thru the New Testament reveals that. I live my life as Jesus taught me to do to the best of my human ability and I still fail. Many who say they are Christian are not. Satan is very powerful and has lead many down the path of destruction.
o
Protestants and Catholics in northern Ireland have been killing each other by the thousands, for decades.
Anti-abortionists in this country murder doctors and bomb clinics, claiming to have the Bible and righteousness on their side.
Life is "sacred" in that those who stake a claim to that sentiment get to decide who lives and who dies.
o
Racehorse
05-16-2023, 07:25 AM
o
Protestants and Catholics in northern Ireland have been killing each other by the thousands, for decades.
Anti-abortionists in this country murder doctors and bomb clinics, claiming to have the Bible and righteousness on their side.
Life is "sacred" in that those who stake a claim to that sentiment get to decide who lives and who dies.
o
Read what I said one more time. This time, read it without any hate in your heart.
o
Protestants and Catholics in northern Ireland have been killing each other by the thousands, for decades.
Anti-abortionists in this country murder doctors and bomb clinics, claiming to have the Bible and righteousness on their side.
Life is "sacred" in that those who stake a claim to that sentiment get to decide who lives and who dies.
o
The far republican right; stop all abortions while handing teenagers a machine gun.
F for execution.
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Glad they gave the dog a walk, he was being a good boy
AlwaysSunnyinIndy
05-16-2023, 11:05 AM
Trump tax cuts benefited the middle class more than any other cut in history.
Please post facts
Could you provide the article which backs up that claim?
I searched online about 20-30 minutes last night and couldn't find any data to support such a claim although I didn't conduct an exhaustive search.
Lov2fish
05-16-2023, 11:25 AM
Could you provide the article which backs up that claim?
I searched about 20-30 minutes last night and couldn't find any such claim although I didn't conduct an exhaustive search.
Don't be naïve, no tax cuts benefit constituents. They only benefit donors and political contributors. This is both parties. The more I read on the internet the better I understand just how retarded people are with political affiliations.
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I dont understand this thinking. IF Ron gets the nomination, how can he win the presidential election with only the white vote? In the last 2 presidential election the Republicans did not win the popular vote. How does pissing on minorities and Mickey Mouse get you to the Oval office
John Durham Owes the American People an Apology for Wasting Their Money
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bigalbert
05-16-2023, 12:52 PM
Could you provide the article which backs up that claim?
I searched online about 20-30 minutes last night and couldn't find any data to support such a claim although I didn't conduct an exhaustive search.
Very easy to find. Most people “thought” they didn’t get a tax cut. Lol. Middle income with a big win
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12-year-old boy armed with AR-15 rifle fatally shoots Sonic employee in Dallas-area suburb
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The republican plan: every 6th grader with a machine gun. Im betting you get worse service behind bullet proof glass
That's an actual crime": Experts stunned at alleged Giuliani-Trump plot to sell pardons for $2M
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/that-s-an-actual-crime-experts-stunned-at-alleged-giuliani-trump-plot-to-sell-pardons-for-2m/ar-AA1bgKUe?ocid=windirect&cvid=c5b3037d1b9f4c14af33d13023157568&ei=12
AlwaysSunnyinIndy
05-16-2023, 01:39 PM
Very easy to find. Most people “thought” they didn’t get a tax cut. Lol. Middle income with a big win
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Sorry, I don't see how this graphic supports your claim.
Half of the data is just poll results - whether these Americans in the survey thought they got a tax cut.
The other half of the data just indicates whether those polled actually got a tax cut or not (and if you look at the note at the bottom of the graphic, the tax cut could be as low as $10).
Don't see any data that suggests this is a "big win" or that this particular tax cut benefitted the middle class moreso than previous tax cuts - unless you think $10 makes a big difference.
Still waiting for that news article.
A series of crimes": Ex-prosecutor says new Trump election texts "more damning" than Georgia call
https://www.salon.com/2023/04/24/a-series-of-crimes-ex-prosecutor-says-new-texts-more-damning-than-georgia-call/
Two men hired by former President Donald Trump's legal team discussed a plot to use data obtained from a breached Georgia voting machine as part of an attempt to decertify the state's 2021 U.S. Senate run-off election, according to CNN.
Jim Penrose, a former National Security Agency official who worked alongside Trump attorney Sidney Powell to access voting machines in Coffee County, Georgia, communicated with Doug Logan, CEO of a firm that allegedly runs audits of voting systems.
"Here's the plan. Let's keep this close hold," Penrose wrote. "We only have until Saturday to decide if we are going to use this report to try to decertify the Senate run-off election or if we hold it for a bigger moment," Penrose added, referring to a potential lawsuit related to the impending confirmation of Democrat Jon Ossoff's triumph in the runoff.
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CNN reported that the texts reveal the first instance in which Trump sympathizers contemplated using the data to overturn elections beyond the 2020 presidential race.
Georgia District Attorney Fani Willis is leading a criminal investigation into the scheme to breach voting systems. Willis has subpoenaed several individuals in connection to the probe, including Powell and former Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani. She has also subpoenaed both Penrose and Logan over their involvement in the Georgia runoff breach. CNN also reported that Willis' office is considering a potential racketeering case against multiple defendants.
Former prosecutor Michael Zeldin told CNN that the report suggests violations of multiple state and federal laws.
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"What we have here is unauthorized access to this privileged computer data," Zeldin said. "There is a conspiracy to acquire and improperly distribute that data. There is probably a crime of interfering with the rights of the people of Georgia to have a free and fair election. And this is a series of crimes, a pattern of criminal activity, then it could possibly violate the Georgia RICO statute, which criminalizes a series of criminal activities by the same person or group of persons, so there's a lot at stake here."
Zeldin also said that the texts between Penrose and Logan are "more damning" than Trump's phone call to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, in which Trump suggested that Raffensperger could "find" the 11,780 votes needed to flip the state election in his favor.
omahacolt
05-16-2023, 05:56 PM
Sorry, I don't see how this graphic supports your claim.
Half of the data is just poll results - whether these Americans in the survey thought they got a tax cut.
The other half of the data just indicates whether those polled actually got a tax cut or not (and if you look at the note at the bottom of the graphic, the tax cut could be as low as $10).
Don't see any data that suggests this is a "big win" or that this particular tax cut benefitted the middle class moreso than previous tax cuts - unless you think $10 makes a big difference.
Still waiting for that news article.you won't find it because it doesn't exist.
bigalbert
05-16-2023, 06:07 PM
Sorry, I don't see how this graphic supports your claim.
Half of the data is just poll results - whether these Americans in the survey thought they got a tax cut.
The other half of the data just indicates whether those polled actually got a tax cut or not (and if you look at the note at the bottom of the graphic, the tax cut could be as low as $10).
Don't see any data that suggests this is a "big win" or that this particular tax cut benefitted the middle class moreso than previous tax cuts - unless you think $10 makes a big difference.
Still waiting for that news article.
The Times took their article down I guess because it credited Trump to much. Here a summation right from IRS data by The Hill
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bigalbert
05-16-2023, 06:08 PM
you won't find it because it doesn't exist.
The proof you’re gonna hate has been posted. By the way I saved 3700$ a year under the Trump cuts.
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bigalbert
05-16-2023, 06:12 PM
https://heartland.org/wp-content/uploads/documents/Trumps%20Tax%20Cuts%20Policy%20Paper.pdf
Straight from the IRS
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AlwaysSunnyinIndy
05-16-2023, 07:00 PM
The Times took their article down I guess because it credited Trump to much. Here a summation right from IRS data by The Hill
Strike 2!!!
You still have not been able to support your claim.
Again, you stated the following:
Trump tax cuts benefited the middle class more than any other cut in history.
Nothing that you have provided thus far has proven that statement as a fact.
At this point, I think you made it up.
I am not disputing that the Trump tax cut provided reductions across many different income levels.
What I am disputing is that this was the biggest middle class tax cut in history - which you presented as a "fact."
Also - the Hill opinion piece (it was an opinion piece, not a news story) that you provided is a bit dated and some of the author's conclusions didn't hold up in Year 2 of the tax cuts.
bigalbert
05-16-2023, 07:19 PM
Strike 2!!!
You still have not been able to support your claim.
Again, you stated the following:
Nothing that you have provided thus far has proven that statement as a fact.
At this point, I think you made it up.
I am not disputing that the Trump tax cut provided reductions across many different income levels.
What I am disputing is that this was the biggest middle class tax cut in history - which you presented as a "fact."
Also - the Hill opinion piece (it was an opinion piece, not a news story) that you provided is a bit dated and some of the author's conclusions didn't hold up in Year 2 of the tax cuts.
It was in the article but has been taken down. I personally have never had my tax liability lowered by more dollars than the Trump tax legislation. I’ve been paying taxes for 40+ years. Where you might be correct is if they adjusted for inflation. I guess I was talking in terms of straight dollars. I believe the top 20% pay 95% of the taxes in this country. I don’t even know wether I’m in that or not but I pay right close to 6 figures and I never complain about a tax cut. I can now only present my case from my personal experience. So you’re right, I can’t prove it for everyone. That Times article also said that close to 90% of Americans benefited in one way or another from the tax cuts. That’s all I got
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AlwaysSunnyinIndy
05-17-2023, 08:40 AM
I guess I was talking in terms of straight dollars.
I doubt even that scenario is true.
While the Trump tax cut package was large - it certainly wasn't the biggest tax cut package historically - either measured in straight dollars or accounting for inflation.
Further, as others have noted in this thread, corporations received a large chunk of the Trump tax cut package - so much so - that the Trump tax cuts for corporations probably exceeded the corporation tax cuts from the Reagan era.
I don't doubt that you read something online which included the words "Trump tax cut" and "largest" and "middle class" in the same paragraph or sentence but I am guessing you mis-read what the article or opinion piece was trying to convey.
I mean, in this thread, you have skimmed materials online and asserted "this proves my point!" on two different occasions - when none of the material you provided supported your claims.
So it appears your prior "fact" was not a fact at all.
AlwaysSunnyinIndy
05-17-2023, 08:48 AM
I don’t even know wether I’m in that or not but I pay right close to 6 figures and I never complain about a tax cut. I can now only present my case from my personal experience.
I’m prolly upper middle class and I saved 3700.
If both of those comments about your tax liability and tax cuts are true - you got "screwed" by the Trump tax cuts. I know, I know - any tax cut which puts money back in your pocket (especially if it is indeed $3700) is a "win," but your Trump tax cut was below the average tax cut for your income level.
However, I am guessing that your memory is a little foggy on the numbers - after all, a few years have passed since you had to file those tax returns.
PS: And, of course, there could be valid reasons why your tax cut was less than the average tax cut. One of the modifications that was made at that time was to cap certain deductions - so if you (or your accountant) was really good at claiming deductions under the old rules, that could explain the lower number vs the average.
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omahacolt
05-17-2023, 06:55 PM
middle class tax cuts = temporary
corporate/wealthy tax cuts = permanent
while the middle class got a cut, it was minimal and going away. those are the facts
Colts And Orioles
05-17-2023, 11:39 PM
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THE UPPER CLASS: lll, Keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes.
THE MIDDLE CLASS: ll Pays all of the taxes, does all of the work.
The poor ??? The poor are there just to scare the hit out of the middle class ...... keep them showing up at those jobs.
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They should make a movie about the Pubs who cant shoot straight. They need to stay away from crime, they suck at it
Unlike the democrats, who are experts at it. They never get caught, and if caught, they never get convicted.
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