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https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/06/politics/tarrio-proud-boys-charged-seditious-conspiracy-january-6/index.html
Finally, charging traitors with , seditious conspiracy.
Lov2fish
06-06-2022, 05:46 PM
Good, they need to round up all the domestic terrorist. Lets not leave any out, send a message that shit ain't cool. Proud Boys, Antifa, BLM, KKK, Skin heads, all of them fucking useless pieces of shit.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/10/politics/trump-ivanka-election-january-6/index.html
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A day after the House January 6 committee revealed previously unseen video of former President Donald Trump’s daughter and senior adviser, Ivanka Trump, saying she accepted then-Attorney General Bill Barr’s statement that the Justice Department found no fraud sufficient to overturn the election, the former President is responding, saying she had “long since checked out.”
“Ivanka Trump was not involved in looking at, or studying, Election results. She had long since checked out and was, in my opinion, only trying to be respectful to Bill Barr and his position as Attorney General (he sucked!),” Trump wrote on his social media platform, Truth Social.
Vice Chair Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., gives her opening remarks as Committee Chairman Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., left, and Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., look on, as the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol holds its first public hearing to reveal the findings of a year-long investigation, at the Capitol in Washington, Thursday, June 9, 2022. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)
Takeaways from the prime-time January 6 committee hearing
While Trump seeks to downplay his daughter’s role in his administration at the time of the January 6, 2021, riots, Ivanka Trump did still accompany her father to rally at the White House Ellipse that preceded the US Capitol attack.
In the clip from her deposition aired Thursday night, Ivanka Trump was asked about her reaction when Barr said there was no widespread election fraud.
“It affected my perspective,” Ivanka Trump said. “I respect Attorney General Barr so I accepted what he was saying.”
Ivanka Trump met virtually with the committee in April for nearly eight hours, and CNN previously reported that she corroborated critical testimony from other witnesses who said the then-President was reluctant to try to call off the rioters despite being asked to do so.
“They kinda supported the fact that the President was told he had to do something to stop the January 6 insurrection. That he had to be public with it; he had to be direct,” Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson told CNN about the committee’s interviews with Ivanka Trump and her husband, Jared Kushner.
“So in that respect … we have been able to systematically, with our depositions and interviewing of other witnesses, we’ve been able to fill in a lot of the gaps,” Thompson said.
The committee also pointed to the closed-door deposition from Barr in which he said that Trump’s claims were “bullshit.” Barr, who resigned in December 2020, said part of the reason that he left the Trump administration was because of Trump’s false claims of fraud (although he did not cite that reason publicly at the time).
“I made clear that I did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out this stuff, which I told the President was bullshit,” Barr said in the video played by the committee on Thursday.
Spike
06-10-2022, 04:54 PM
This prime time bullshit was a fucking waste of time and money.
I don't really give a shit about 1/6 because for the most part it was complete BS. Fuck Pelosi and Cheney. Pelosi was told to call in the national guard and she ignored that. Her and her drunk ass DUI husband need to just retire and get the fuck out of Washington.
What I really give a shit about is high gas prices, inflation, crime and securing our southern boarder. That's what really affects most Americans. Sick and tired of all these sorry ass politicians.
Lov2fish
06-10-2022, 06:41 PM
This prime time bullshit was a fucking waste of time and money.
I don't really give a shit about 1/6 because for the most part it was complete BS. Fuck Pelosi and Cheney. Pelosi was told to call in the national guard and she ignored that. Her and her drunk ass DUI husband need to just retire and get the fuck out of Washington.
What I really give a shit about is high gas prices, inflation, crime and securing our southern boarder. That's what really affects most Americans. Sick and tired of all these sorry ass politicians.
Deflection with smoke and mirrors is all they have in D.C. This hearing is a shit show because they have no real solution to common everyday problems facing Americans. It's a prime time version of Trump impeachment 3.0 nothing more. A complete fucking waste of time, and money.
This prime time bullshit was a fucking waste of time and money.
I don't really give a shit about 1/6 because for the most part it was complete BS. Fuck Pelosi and Cheney. Pelosi was told to call in the national guard and she ignored that. Her and her drunk ass DUI husband need to just retire and get the fuck out of Washington.
What I really give a shit about is high gas prices, inflation, crime and securing our southern boarder. That's what really affects most Americans. Sick and tired of all these sorry ass politicians.
Pelosi cant order the military to do anything. The president can, governors can order their national guards.
This was a trump shit show from start to finish, even his daughter agrees, there was no voter fraud
Deflection with smoke and mirrors is all they have in D.C. This hearing is a shit show because they have no real solution to common everyday problems facing Americans. It's a prime time version of Trump impeachment 3.0 nothing more. A complete fucking waste of time, and money.
This can lead to federal charges of sedition. Congress puts forth its evidence, the judiciary moves on charges.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/10/politics/rudy-giuliani-ethics-election-fraud/index.html
The attorney discipline arm of the DC Bar has brought a case against Rudy Giuliani for pushing unsubstantiated election fraud accusations in a Pennsylvania federal court on behalf of Donald Trump after the 2020 election.
The disciplinary office filing, called a charge, further puts Giuliani's status as a lawyer in jeopardy. Giuliani had already been suspended from practicing law by the New York bar as that office also investigates his election fraud efforts on behalf of Trump in court.
In the new filing from the DC bar, Giuliani is accused of violating Pennsylvania's Rules of Professional Conduct.
Former Fox political editor says he will testify at January 6 committee hearing
Former Fox political editor says he will testify at January 6 committee hearing
He did so, the filing said, in that he "brought a proceeding and asserted issues therein without a non-frivolous basis in law and fact for doing so" and "engaged in conduct prejudicial to the administration of justice."
CNN reached out to Giuliani/s attorney but did not receive a response to its inquiry about the ethics charges.
The filing is the beginning of the process for Giuliani to have his license revoked or suspended in DC, separate from the disciplinary action he had already received from the New York bar while it investigates the professional misconduct allegations against him.
In the Pennsylvania case, the new disciplinary filings allege that Giuliani sought to "leverage the lawful rejection of two ballots by non-defendant counties into invalidating up to 1.5 million votes already counted."
The DC Bar charges, filed by Disciplinary Counsel Hamilton Fox, allege that there was no "legal basis" for the constitutional claims Giuliani pursued in the Pennsylvania litigation.
The election challenge in question was a lawsuit filed days after the 2020 election in a Pennsylvania federal court on behalf of the Trump campaign. At oral arguments in the case, Giuliani claimed without evidence that the "best description of this situation is it's widespread, nationwide voter fraud of which this is a part."
"The only place we have it happening en masse is in the Democrat -- heavily controlled counties that you can call counties controlled by a Democratic machine that have quite an impressive list of voter fraud convictions as part of their history and tradition. And all of the sudden, with this greater opportunity to do it, they did it on a grand scale," Giuliani said at the oral arguments, which were quoted in the new ethics charges from the DC Bar.
The disciplinary filings said that Giuliani had "cited to the district court as a basis for his fraud allegations several sources that could not, as a categorical matter, prove that" the defendants in the Pennsylvania case had "committed or facilitated election fraud during the 2020 election."
Giuliani also lacked evidence in his claims in the case that barriers erected at Pennsylvania vote-counting sites amounted to fraud, the new charging document said. Giuliani "should have known the 'evidence' he provided" in the case to claim mass fraud "relied upon false or faulty statistics and analysis."
Takeaways from the prime-time January 6 committee hearing
Takeaways from the prime-time January 6 committee hearing
Of the 300 affidavits Giuliani provided in the Pennsylvania case, the DC Bar charges said they were "(a) unsupported, (b) unrelated to Trump voters (c) involve conduct outside the seven Defendant Counties, and (d) by their own terms were isolated incidents that could not have affected the presidential election's results by offsetting the Biden majority of over 80,000 votes."
The disciplinary process against Giuliani will now move to a hearing phase where he will be able to respond to the allegations. The charges will first be put before what is known as a hearing committee, which can consider evidence and testimony. In contested proceedings, according to the DC Bar's website, the "Hearing Committee prepares a report and recommendation, with proposed findings of fact, conclusions of law, and a recommended sanction, which is filed with" the Bar's Board on Professional Responsibility.
The DC Court of Appeals has the ultimate authority over the bar's disciplinary proceedings, and the court reviews and approves any disciplinary actions that include the suspension or disbarment of an attorney accused of misconduct.
Spike
06-11-2022, 03:10 AM
Pelosi cant order the military to do anything. The president can, governors can order their national guards.
This was a trump shit show from start to finish, even his daughter agrees, there was no voter fraud
Pelosi can get shit done if she wants to.
Trump shit show??? Biden is the shit show. I can't believe you continue to bitch about Trump, hell he's gone. But never a fucking word about how bad this administration has fucked all of us. You happy with inflation, crime, gas prices, lack of baby formula and allowing any fucking dick head crossing the boarder? Man, you really need to get your priorities in order. You appear to be like so many other leftists who have let Trump live rent free in their heads.
And no Biden, it is not Putin's fault. Russia has nothing to do with how well America is run. Nothing but fucking excuses and denials from your President.
Tell all of us now Jaff, what the fuck has Biden done that's been worth a shit for all of us hard working Americans? I'll wait because that's a question nobody can answer.
At least there is a glimmer of hope, Biden's approval rating is dropping like a fucking rock.
Lov2fish
06-11-2022, 06:31 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/10/politics/rudy-giuliani-ethics-election-fraud/index.html
The attorney discipline arm of the DC Bar has brought a case against Rudy Giuliani for pushing unsubstantiated election fraud accusations in a Pennsylvania federal court on behalf of Donald Trump after the 2020 election.
The disciplinary office filing, called a charge, further puts Giuliani's status as a lawyer in jeopardy. Giuliani had already been suspended from practicing law by the New York bar as that office also investigates his election fraud efforts on behalf of Trump in court.
In the new filing from the DC bar, Giuliani is accused of violating Pennsylvania's Rules of Professional Conduct.
Former Fox political editor says he will testify at January 6 committee hearing
Former Fox political editor says he will testify at January 6 committee hearing
He did so, the filing said, in that he "brought a proceeding and asserted issues therein without a non-frivolous basis in law and fact for doing so" and "engaged in conduct prejudicial to the administration of justice."
CNN reached out to Giuliani/s attorney but did not receive a response to its inquiry about the ethics charges.
The filing is the beginning of the process for Giuliani to have his license revoked or suspended in DC, separate from the disciplinary action he had already received from the New York bar while it investigates the professional misconduct allegations against him.
In the Pennsylvania case, the new disciplinary filings allege that Giuliani sought to "leverage the lawful rejection of two ballots by non-defendant counties into invalidating up to 1.5 million votes already counted."
The DC Bar charges, filed by Disciplinary Counsel Hamilton Fox, allege that there was no "legal basis" for the constitutional claims Giuliani pursued in the Pennsylvania litigation.
The election challenge in question was a lawsuit filed days after the 2020 election in a Pennsylvania federal court on behalf of the Trump campaign. At oral arguments in the case, Giuliani claimed without evidence that the "best description of this situation is it's widespread, nationwide voter fraud of which this is a part."
"The only place we have it happening en masse is in the Democrat -- heavily controlled counties that you can call counties controlled by a Democratic machine that have quite an impressive list of voter fraud convictions as part of their history and tradition. And all of the sudden, with this greater opportunity to do it, they did it on a grand scale," Giuliani said at the oral arguments, which were quoted in the new ethics charges from the DC Bar.
The disciplinary filings said that Giuliani had "cited to the district court as a basis for his fraud allegations several sources that could not, as a categorical matter, prove that" the defendants in the Pennsylvania case had "committed or facilitated election fraud during the 2020 election."
Giuliani also lacked evidence in his claims in the case that barriers erected at Pennsylvania vote-counting sites amounted to fraud, the new charging document said. Giuliani "should have known the 'evidence' he provided" in the case to claim mass fraud "relied upon false or faulty statistics and analysis."
Takeaways from the prime-time January 6 committee hearing
Takeaways from the prime-time January 6 committee hearing
Of the 300 affidavits Giuliani provided in the Pennsylvania case, the DC Bar charges said they were "(a) unsupported, (b) unrelated to Trump voters (c) involve conduct outside the seven Defendant Counties, and (d) by their own terms were isolated incidents that could not have affected the presidential election's results by offsetting the Biden majority of over 80,000 votes."
The disciplinary process against Giuliani will now move to a hearing phase where he will be able to respond to the allegations. The charges will first be put before what is known as a hearing committee, which can consider evidence and testimony. In contested proceedings, according to the DC Bar's website, the "Hearing Committee prepares a report and recommendation, with proposed findings of fact, conclusions of law, and a recommended sanction, which is filed with" the Bar's Board on Professional Responsibility.
The DC Court of Appeals has the ultimate authority over the bar's disciplinary proceedings, and the court reviews and approves any disciplinary actions that include the suspension or disbarment of an attorney accused of misconduct.
Nothing from any main stream media source is valid as fact. Sorry, they have taken away that assumption themselves the last decade when it went full on prime time comedy.
I know what sedation is, and even though January, 6th. was a shit show, it did not remotely meet the criteria to call it an insurrection. Liberalism is truly a mental disorder. Nobody can be that mentally dysfunctional without an underlying cause.
Nothing from any main stream media source is valid as fact. Sorry, they have taken away that assumption themselves the last decade when it went full on prime time comedy.
I know what sedation is, and even though January, 6th. was a shit show, it did not remotely meet the criteria to call it an insurrection. Liberalism is truly a mental disorder. Nobody can be that mentally dysfunctional without an underlying cause.
They tried to stop a legal process to finalize the election, stopping the transfer of power, by creating a riot.
That is sedition. It is treason. And you can talk about a stone election yet not one solid piece of evidence has ever been put forward by the Republican Party in any forum.
As Bill Barr said, “its bullshit”
Racehorse
06-11-2022, 08:10 AM
Tell all of us now Jaff, what the fuck has Biden done that's been worth a shit for all of us hard working Americans? I'll wait because that's a question nobody can answer.
At least there is a glimmer of hope, Biden's approval rating is dropping like a fucking rock.
Jaff, answer this question. You skipped this post altogether.
Jaff, answer this question. You skipped this post altogether.
Biden didnt try to take over the nation by fraud and violence. What has happened since he became President is a separate issue. Trumps criminal attempt to usurp the will of the people was treasonous. He swore to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution.
Where is the evidence of voter fraud? One piece of PHYSICAL evidence?
Bill Barr said it, its bullshit
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/article261564902.html
Are high gas prices Joe Biden’s fault? These experts weigh in on a president’s impact BY MEGAN CARDONA UPDATED MAY 23, 2022 4:50 PM Play VideoDuration 1:27 Gas is suddenly very expensive, this is the reason why Gas prices are hitting a record high across the United States due to sanctions on Russian oil and COVID-19 restrictions. BY JOSHUA BESSEX Gas prices continue to hit record highs this year, reaching an average of around $4.40 in Tarrant County as of Wednesday. The average gas price nationally was $4.59 on Friday and averaged $4.29 in Texas. The statewide average increased 18 cents from the week before and was 53 cents higher than a month ago, according to the American Automobile Association. TOP VIDEOS Top Videos WATCH MORE American pianist performs in the 16th Cliburn InternationalPiano Competition × The average price of gas in Tarrant County was an average of $4.40 on Friday. As Texans prepare for Memorial Day weekend and summertime travel, gas prices are expected to remain high until the fall. Karr Ingham, Texas Alliance of Energy Producers petroleum economist, said the increase has to do with multiple factors, including the economy’s pandemic bounceback, Russia’s war in Ukraine and President Joe Biden’s administration. Get unlimited digital access Subscribe now for just $2 for 2 months. CLAIM OFFER WHY ARE GAS PRICES RISING? There are three main things causing rising gas prices. While supply kicks back into gear to meet increasing demand following two years of the COVID-19 pandemic, crude oil prices have risen, Ingham said. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has also sent crude oil prices higher, at one point increasing prices over $120 a barrel. Today, U.S. crude oil is $112 a barrel, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. Ingham said a third factor is the Biden administration’s open disapproval of U.S. development of oil and gas resources, which acts as a restraint against rapid crude oil growth. IS THE U.S. PRESIDENT TO BLAME FOR GAS PRICES? Transfer of Power A special newsletter from our D.C. Bureau focused on transition to the Biden administration. SIGN UP This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply. Gas is a visible indicator of how the U.S. economy is doing for consumers. Thomas Marshall, a University of Texas at Arlington political science professor, said presidents generally get blamed for high gas prices, though their impact isn’t direct. There are some ways the Biden administration is indirectly to blame for gas prices. One way is Biden’s tense relationship with Saudi Arabia, which has prevented significant increase in oil production, Marshall said. According to a report by The Wall Street Journal, the Saudis are angry over the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan and lack of support for Saudi Arabia’s intervention in the Yemen civil war. The administration has also given the perception of hostility toward the oil industry, shutting down pipeline projects, Marshall said. While pipelines take a while to develop, the message signals Biden’s lack of sympathy for the industry and creates uncertainty in its future. Ingham said the Biden administration’s messaging creates uncertainty from investors who are leery about funding new oil and gas production wells. “We should be growing production in response to this rising demand and high prices much more rapidly than we are,” he said. Matthew Eshbaugh-Soha, a University of North Texas political science professor, said whether a president should be blamed for gas is usually a partisan question. “Can the president do a lot? Not a lot. Should the Biden administration be talking up the economy? Yes, they need to be doing more because that’s effectively all they have to kind of be able to just make people feel a little bit better about things that aren’t going that well,” he said. DOES THE PRESIDENT HAVE THE ABILITY TO HELP EASE GAS PRICES? Presidents have limited tools to help with gas prices, but they do have some power. One short-term tool is messaging. Eshbaugh-Soha said positive messaging about the economy could instill consumer confidence and ease sticker shock at the pump. “In a limited capacity, President Biden can lead with an optimistic view of the economy to project that this is a temporary situation and I think psychologically this can take a little bit of the burden off of paying that gasoline price with the idea that the economy will improve down the road,” he said. Releasing oil reserves is another way a president can help ease gas prices. In his research looking at whether presidents could impact gas prices by releasing oil reserves, Eshbaugh-Soha found the announcement of the release caused a slight decline while the actual release didn’t. At the end of March, Biden announced he would tap into the nation’s Strategic Petroleum Reserve, releasing one million barrels a day for the next six months. Eshbaugh-Soha said it’s less certain if additional release announcements have the same market effect as an initial announcement. “The idea is that markets respond to the intention, to the expectation that certain things are going to happen,” he said. Marshall said there are other ways the Biden administration could help with gas prices. One way would lower the federal gas tax, which is 18.40 cents per gallon; however, because the majority of the tax goes to national highways it is unlikely that will happen, he said. Biden could also help by announcing the reopening of pipeline projects that were closed. Although the pipelines wouldn’t help immediately, Marshall said it would act as a symbol of reassurance for the future. WHO ARE SOME OTHER PRESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN BLAMED FOR GAS PRICES IN THE PAST? Gas prices have risen at different points in the last several decades. Because Americans are generally presidency oriented, Marshall said presidents tend to get blamed for high prices. “Presidents always jump in there taking credit for things and so we are just in the mindset that ‘If you’re out there taking credit for anything that happens, you might as well step up to the plate and take the other half of the blame’,” he said. The 1973 oil embargo imposed on the United States by oil-producing states in the Persian Gulf region created a spike in gas prices during President Richard Nixon’s administration. During the Iranian Revolution in 1979, gas prices spiked, creating lines and limiting consumers on how many gallons they could get. Marshall said President Jimmy Carter was blamed for the high gas prices at the time. Public expectations of the presidency have grown since as far back as President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and gas prices are one of the more immediate expectations Americans have, Eshbaugh-Soha said. In turn, presidents have structured Americans’ expectations by taking credit for and running on platforms concerning the economy. “Generally the president is blamed for the economy when it’s doing poorly,” he said. “Of course presidents try to claim credit when the economy’s doing well. Presidents win and lose elections based on the state of the economy.”
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/11/opinions/quested-proud-boys-jan-6-hearing-bergen/index.html
Editor’s Note: Peter Bergen is CNN’s national security analyst, a vice president at New America and a professor of practice at Arizona State University. His new paperback is “The Cost of Chaos: The Trump Administration and the World.” View more opinion on CNN.
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Nick Quested, a British documentary filmmaker, testified on Thursday evening before the House select committee investigating the January 6 Capitol insurrection. I spoke with Quested on Friday. He told me that he wanted the public to understand the truth of what happened on January 6 and expressed worries that the riot could be a dress rehearsal for another attack on America’s constitutional order.
Quested, a producer of the Oscar-nominated Afghanistan War documentary, “Restrepo,” has worked on several other films on subjects ranging from the Mexican drug cartels to the rise of ISIS in Syria.
Vice Chair U.S. Representative Liz Cheney (R-WY) participates at the opening public hearing of the U.S. House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6 Attack on the United States Capitol, on Capitol Hill in Washington, U.S., June 9, 2022. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst
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Quested and his producing partner Sebastian Junger became interested in the far-right group, the Proud Boys, and followed them in the weeks leading up to January 6. Quested, who captured key footage of the group during the attack at the Capitol, shared his work and his personal account of the events of that day during the committee’s first televised hearing.
He told me about the scenes of mayhem that he and his colleagues filmed that day, as well as the mysterious meeting between the leaders of the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers, another far-right group, that took place in a Washington, DC, parking garage the night before the assault on the US Capitol.
Disclosure: I have appeared as an interviewee in one of Quested’s documentaries. Our interview was edited for clarity.
PETER BERGEN: Why did you decide to testify?
NICK QUESTED: Because we’re approaching living in a post-factual world, and I think it’s important that these facts about January 6 are brought to bear and in an unpartisan way, especially if we can use these hearings to make sure that something like this never happens again.
BERGEN: And you had a subpoena to appear before the committee?
QUESTED: I had a subpoena. I spoke to the authorities in an interview beforehand, but when they were using my work in the way that they did, I felt it was only appropriate for them to subpoena me.
BERGEN: Your work – did you just hand it over to them, or did they request it? How did that work?
QUESTED: Well as a journalist, having filmed what were potentially many crimes, I didn’t feel there was any journalistic jeopardy giving that to authorities. I called a friend who is a US Attorney, and I said, “Listen, I have filmed I don’t know how many crimes. What do you think I should do with this?” He said, “We’ll call the DC Criminal Division.” I was then referred to an agent from the FBI. And we still had to process the footage because we shoot very high-quality video, which needs to be processed. So, we did that and then I gave it to the FBI.
FILE - In this Jan. 6, 2021 photo, Donald Trump supporters participate in a rally in Washington, near the White House. (AP Photo/John Minchillo, File)
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BERGEN: On the morning of January 6th, what happened in terms of the Proud Boys?
QUESTED: I turned up on the National Mall around 10:30 am and the Proud Boys were already marching in an easterly direction towards the western side of the Capitol, and I immediately kicked into gear and started trying to cover the scene. I’m shooting a wide shot. I’m shooting long lens. I’m in the middle of the crowd with them. I’m shooting slow motion. I’m just trying to edit a sequence in my head, because I’ve done a lot of marching with these guys. They love marching up and down the Mall. We’d done that on December 12, 2020.
So I thought that’s what we were doing again. And we walked around the Capitol, and still they were marching. They’re singing their songs. It felt like hooligans at a soccer match. There were bawdy jokes. There’s sort of been an evolution in the Proud Boys, and at one point, people said that they were a drinking club with a political problem. I’d say they’re a political club with a drinking problem now.
And it wasn’t until that crowd moved near the barrier around the Capitol that I felt the world shift. At 12:54 pm, I feel the commotion and run over, and soon, the barriers are coming down and people are streaming forward and running towards the Capitol.
BERGEN: Were you frightened?
QUESTED: I wasn’t frightened at that point. But the language had started to change. There were more challenges to police to “respect their oath” and comments like, “We pay your wages. Do your job. Choose a side. Respect the oath.” And then people are starting to kick down the next fence. They’re starting to break up the fence and take pieces out of it to use as makeshift weapons, and it was different. It felt like some people were in rapture. It felt like a crusade, like they felt they were right, and they were unappreciative of the irony of using violence to overthrow a constitutionally elected body and justifying that violence by citing the Constitution.
BERGEN: Their interpretation of the Constitution.
QUESTED: Yeah.
BERGEN: How and when did you decide to profile the Proud Boys?
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QUESTED: In the summer of 2020, I was chatting with the war reporter and my producing partner Sebastian Junger, and we were talking about the psyche of the country at that time. We were in the first few months of Covid-19. People were scared because they had no idea what this virus’ potential was. The hospitals were full. There was a hospital ship in the harbor in New York. The emergency rooms were overflowing. There were stories in the papers about pressure on the food supply and Covid ripping through meatpacking plants.
And then you have the murder of George Floyd, and you literally have medieval-style pitched battles in the cities of America. And we asked ourselves this question: Why is America so divided when Americans have so much in common?
So, we thought, let’s see what the far right has to say and what the far right and the far left actually have in common here. And we wanted to ask both sides: What does it mean to be American? If you can’t define it, then how can you find commonality, if there is commonality to be had here?
BERGEN: So, you reached out to the Proud Boys.
QUESTED: Yeah. We called up the Proud Boys. On November 4, 2020, when President Donald Trump falsely claimed that he won the election before a winner had been declared, we were like, “Oh, here you go.” Because one of the fundamental tenets of America is having a peaceful transfer of power. I called up Enrique Tarrio, the head of the Proud Boys. He liked the film “Restrepo” that war reporter Tim Hetherington, Sebastian, and I made together. And he just said to come down. So we went down to DC on December 11, 2020 and started working.
BERGEN: When a revolution happens, even the revolutionaries sometimes have no idea what is going to happen. To what extent did the Proud Boys know this was going to happen on January 6?
QUESTED: I don’t know. We did definitely look at the Proud Boys and say, “Well, are Proud Boys Jacobins? Are they Brown Shirts? Or are they football hooligans?” Or is it just Trumpism? Because that was a very unifying factor throughout the Proud Boys. There are no RINOs in the Proud Boys. It is the cult of Trump, and they were the muscle.
BERGEN: The footage that you have, why is it of interest to the committee, and what does it show?
QUESTED: It was shot with very high-end cameras at a very high resolution with high-quality lenses by trained professional journalists. There were three of us there and also a freelancer that we met on the day. I was shooting as well. So, basically, what we have is a full view of the day because, even though we were separated at the beginning, we managed to have parallel experiences that have nexus points. We were able to cut documentary scenes from different angles because we’re all seeing the same parts at the same time.
WASHINGTON, DC - JANUARY 6: Trump supporters clash with police and security forces as people try to storm the US Capitol on January 6, 2021 in Washington, DC. Demonstrators breeched security and entered the Capitol as Congress debated the 2020 presidential election Electoral Vote Certification. (photo by Brent Stirton/Getty Images)
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BERGEN: What are the key scenes?
QUESTED: The Proud Boys walking down the Mall, the Proud Boys at lunch, the barriers coming down, the Proud Boys just as the barriers come down at the West Plaza of the Capitol, the fight on the lower West Plaza, and the fight at the tunnel on the west side of the Capitol.
BERGEN: The battle scene in the tunnel? You were there?
QUESTED: I was there.
BERGEN: What did you see?
QUESTED: Chaos and mayhem. I mean, mayhem in the true sense of the word.
BERGEN: Had you ever seen that in the United States?
QUESTED: I have not seen that in the United States, no.
BERGEN: Have you seen it anywhere?
QUESTED: Yeah. I’ve seen it around the world.
BERGEN: Where?
QUESTED: Venezuela 2017, Nicaragua 2018.
BERGEN: Were you scared?
QUESTED: I wasn’t scared because I’m so living in the moment, and my job is to document this. I have a task. So, I focus on my task. I got beat up pretty bad. My camera was broken. I got shot by a beanbag or pepper balls. I got tear-gassed.
BERGEN: What was that like?
QUESTED: Well, it’s not great. It’s not great because you’re in a big crowd, and you know no one in this crowd. You lose all sense of awareness, everything. But for all those in the crowd who were violent, there were many people that were just there to witness the event. They might have chanted or whatever, but there were also people there helping others. Someone came and poured water into my eyes, and I was like, “Don’t do that?” because I was worried I was going to get Covid. And I was like I’d rather be tear-gassed.
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My phone didn’t work, so I couldn’t communicate what I was doing until basically six o’clock, when I called my family and said it’s all good.
BERGEN: You also filmed a meeting on January 5 between the leaders of the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers?
QUESTED: This meeting was in a parking garage. We picked Enrique Tarrio up by car from jail, as he had just made bond. (Editor’s note: Tarrio had been arrested on January 4, 2021 on a warrant charging him with burning a Black Lives Matter banner taken from a historic Black church and he was also found with high-capacity magazines, which are illegal in Washington, DC. He was later sentenced to a total of five months in jail for both crimes). We went to pick his stuff up from a lock-up garage south of the Mall. Then we went back up to pick up some bags from the Phoenix Park Hotel in downtown DC, and outside the hotel, we bumped into Stewart Rhodes, leader of the Oath Keepers. We picked up the bags, and somebody said, “You’ve got to come over to this parking garage.” So we went over to this garage, and there was Enrique Tarrio and Stewart Rhodes, along with a few other people.
BERGEN: And what were they doing there?
QUESTED: Ostensibly, they said they were meeting to discuss the issue that Enrique felt he had, which was that he had brought extra capacity gun magazines into DC, which is illegal.
But there were also discussions about his communications and how they were potentially compromised. I heard him say, “I want to stay close to my boys,” and assumed he was having a discussion about where he was going to go next. But that’s all I heard.
I was close to them but at the request of Enrique Tarrio, I put down my camera. My colleague Nico Lupo, who was approximately 20 feet away from Tarrio and Rhodes, was filming from behind a car, so the mic wasn’t picking up the sound as well as we would have hoped.
BERGEN: Do you think it was a planning meeting for the following day?
QUESTED: I don’t know. I can’t say it was a planning meeting. I can tell you it looks pretty bad that you see the two leaders of the two groups that have been charged with seditious conspiracy in a meeting beforehand, but I can’t say what they were doing.
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BERGEN: What are your hopes for your film?
QUESTED: Well, so we pivoted from our film about why America is so divided to a film that looks at the 64 days from the 2020 presidential election to January 6, 2021.
BERGEN: Is there interest in this film?
QUESTED: It took a lot of time to get interest in this film. We made an experiential film, which was just footage from the day, and we submitted it to a bunch of film festivals and hardly even got a reply, and when we did get a reply, they were like, “No, thank you. We’re not here to give any oxygen to these people.” And I said, “But if we don’t discuss this and bring truth to light, then how are we going to make this better?”
So, our film wants to lay out the facts of what happened in those 64 days in a fair and objective manner as we possibly can.
BERGEN: How much time did you spend with the committee and their investigators?
QUESTED: I had a few interviews, but my testimony of record lasted for seven hours.
BERGEN: What were the key points that you made?
QUESTED: Basically, my testimony revolves around my footage. So, I was explaining the context for my footage and what I saw.
BERGEN: Your entire life is about reporting and making a narrative. Is that what the congressional committee is doing?
QUESTED: I think that is, but, you know, we’re in a world where the narrative is driven by the politics.
BERGEN: Do you think these hearings will lay out the evidentiary basis of what happened on January 6?
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QUESTED: I think they will. From my conversations and the line of questioning, I think that they have a group of investigative counsels that are legitimately interested in being able to show the truth and prove it.
BERGEN: And you didn’t have any problem cooperating with them as a journalist?
QUESTED: Look, I’m in the business of truth, and I think they’re in the business of truth, and however people use the truth, that’s not my interest. My interest is having the truth out there.
BERGEN: Did you ever imagine that you would be where you were testifying on Thursday night?
QUESTED: Oh, hell, no. I like to ask the questions. I don’t like answering questions.
Lov2fish
06-11-2022, 08:30 PM
Why do you keep quoting useless mainstream media outlets on this shit? They are useless tools. Merely spin doctors who only want to sale add space, bullshit does that.
None of them fucktards can spell constitution, let alone its meaning or writing. There is no interpretation of the constitution. It is absolute. It was written in a way that a 5th. grade education would be able to understand it, and it was done on purpose as that was the average education level at its penning.
Racehorse
06-12-2022, 08:03 AM
Biden didnt try to take over the nation by fraud and violence. What has happened since he became President is a separate issue. Trumps criminal attempt to usurp the will of the people was treasonous. He swore to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution.
Where is the evidence of voter fraud? One piece of PHYSICAL evidence?
Bill Barr said it, its bullshit
You still didn't answer the question.
You still didn't answer the question.
Biden is not the issue. Start a different thread. This is about the attempted coup buy Trump to usurp the transfer of power.
Biden didnt call a election official in Georgia. It was trump and he was recorded giving this request
I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have,” Mr. Trump said during the conversation, according.
That is election tampering, he’s the criminal.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/12/us-capitol-attack-panel-hearings-trump-allies-trouble
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. The House select committee investigating the Capitol attack revealed at its inaugural hearing that Donald Trump’s top Republican allies in Congress sought pardons after the January 6 insurrection, a major disclosure that bolstered the claim that the event amounted to a coup and is likely to cause serious scrutiny for those implicated.
The news that multiple House Republicans asked the Trump White House for pardons – an apparent consciousness of guilt – was one of three revelations portending potentially perilous legal and political moments to come for Trump and his allies.
The first public hearing of the January 6 House committee will take place Thursday, 9 June 2022.
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At the hearing, the panel’s vice-chair Liz Cheney named only one Republican member of Congress, congressman Scott Perry, the current chair of the ultra conservative House freedom caucus, who sought a presidential pardon for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election results.
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The select committee did not elaborate on which other House Republicans were asking for pardons or more significantly, for which crimes they were seeking pardons, but it appeared to show at the minimum that they knew they had been involved in likely illegal conduct.
The extraordinary claim also raised the prospect that the Republican members of Congress seeking clemency believed Trump’s election fraud claims were baseless: for why would they need pardons if they really were only raising legitimate questions about the election.
“It’s hard to find a more explicit statement of consciousness of guilt than looking for a pardon for actions you’ve just taken, assisting in a plan to overthrow the results of a presidential election,” Jamie Raskin, a member of the select committee, told reporters.
Willful blindness
The disclosure about the pardons came during the opening hour of the hearing where the panel made the case that Trump could not credibly believe he had won the 2020 election after some of his most senior advisors told him repeatedly that he had lost to Joe Biden.
Trump, according to videos of closed-door depositions played by the select committee, was told by his data experts he lost the election, told by former attorney general Bill Barr that his election fraud claims were “bullshit”, a conclusion Ivanka Trump said she accepted.
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The admissions by some of Trump’s top aides are important since they could put federal prosecutors one step closer to being able to charge Trump with obstructing an official proceeding or defrauding the United States on the basis of election fraud claims he knew were false.
It’s hard to find a more explicit statement of consciousness of guilt than looking for a pardon for actions you’ve just taken
Jamie Raskin
At the heart of the case the panel appears to be trying to make is the legal doctrine of “willful blindness”, as former US attorney Joyce Vance wrote for MSNBC, which says a defendant cannot say they weren’t aware of something if they were credibly notified of the truth.
The potential case against Trump might take the form that he could not use, as his defense against charges he violated the law to stop Biden’s certification on January 6, that he believed there was election fraud, when he had been credibly notified it was “bullshit”.
Trump-Flynn-Powell meeting
Also in the first hour of the hearing, the select committee cast in a new light the contentious 18 December 2020 meeting Trump had at the White House with his former national security advisor Michael Flynn, and former Trump lawyer and conspiracy theorist Sidney Powell.
The Guardian has reported extensively on that meeting, where Powell urged Trump to sign an executive order to seize voting machines and suspend normal law, based on Trump’s executive order 13848, and to appoint her special counsel to investigate election fraud.
Cheney confirmed the reporting by this newspaper and others, that the group discussed “dramatic steps” such as seizing voting machines, but also alluded to a potential discussion about somehow obstructing Biden’s election win certification.
The basis for that characterization, based on how Cheney described the late night meeting in the Oval Office that later continued in the White House residence, appears to be how Trump, just hours later, tweeted that there would be a “wild protest” on January 6.
It was not clear whether Cheney was laying the groundwork for the select committee to tie Trump into a conspiracy of some sort, claiming this represented two people entering an agreement and taking overt steps to accomplishing it – the legal standard for conspiracy.
But the “wild protest” phrase would shortly after be seized upon by some of the most prominent far-right political operatives.
Hours after Trump’s tweet, according to archived versions of its website, Stop the Steal changed its banner to advertise a “wild protest” before Ali Alexander, who led the movement, even applied for a permit to stage a rally on the east side of the Capitol on Januar
Why would a member of congress want a pardon, before even being charged with a crime?
As requested, a different source
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-s-truth-social-is-suspending-users-who-post-about-the-january-6-hearings/ar-AAYnqof?cvid=797560e1939e487a9a06742c4a6a6238
Spike
06-12-2022, 12:14 PM
You still didn't answer the question.
In Jaff's defense, it's impossible to answer the question Racehorse.
Racehorse
06-12-2022, 12:22 PM
Biden is not the issue. Start a different thread. This is about the attempted coup buy Trump to usurp the transfer of power.
Biden didnt call a election official in Georgia. It was trump and he was recorded giving this request
.
That is election tampering, he’s the criminal.
I think Spike did that. You ignored it then, too.
AlwaysSunnyinIndy
06-12-2022, 12:32 PM
Both the Trump and the Biden administrations have left a lot to be desired.
Both are dumpster fires.
I really hope another candidate emerges from either of the primaries other than Dumb and Dumber (you can pick which one is Biden and which one is Trump)
Unfortunately for our country, I think the next election will be a re-match of the last one.
I think Spike did that. You ignored it then, too.
Why did you remove the trump Quote to find votes
Truth sucks.
Spike
06-12-2022, 12:35 PM
Biden is not the issue. Start a different thread. This is about the attempted coup buy Trump to usurp the transfer of power.
Biden didnt call a election official in Georgia. It was trump and he was recorded giving this request
.
That is election tampering, he’s the criminal.
There is already a thread on Biden/Harris. You have not said one word about how bad Biden has done anywhere in any of these threads. So I thought I would bring it up in this one.
My point is that most Americans don't give a shit about 1/6 anymore. Like Luv2Fish stated, this is impeach Trump 3.0. Primetime grandstanding political BS now. Pelosi handpicked her own lapdogs for this committee, which included 2 Rinos, fair justice I guess. There are real issues affecting Americans right now, can we not at least put some focus on that?
How about Schumer and this rant- I want to tell you, Gorsuch; I want to tell you, Kavanaugh: You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. Is threatening SCOTUS not a criminal offense? I guess it's only criminal when a side you don't like does it.
It's okay to criticize both sides which you seem to have a problem with.
Start a biden thread. I will show up.
People still care about the failed insurrection.
Racehorse
06-12-2022, 12:45 PM
Why did you remove the trump Quote to find votes
Truth sucks.
I removed nothing. I asked a question, which you continue to deflect from.
omahacolt
06-28-2022, 10:55 PM
Jaff, answer this question. You skipped this post altogether.
the clear answer is continued democracy
omahacolt
06-28-2022, 11:01 PM
There is already a thread on Biden/Harris. You have not said one word about how bad Biden has done anywhere in any of these threads. So I thought I would bring it up in this one.
My point is that most Americans don't give a shit about 1/6 anymore. Like Luv2Fish stated, this is impeach Trump 3.0. Primetime grandstanding political BS now. Pelosi handpicked her own lapdogs for this committee, which included 2 Rinos, fair justice I guess. There are real issues affecting Americans right now, can we not at least put some focus on that?
How about Schumer and this rant- I want to tell you, Gorsuch; I want to tell you, Kavanaugh: You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. Is threatening SCOTUS not a criminal offense? I guess it's only criminal when a side you don't like does it.
It's okay to criticize both sides which you seem to have a problem with.
most americans do care about 1/6.
you trumpers do not. there will never be any evidence that would have you go against the team. which makes you trumpers impressive in your undying devotion to someone that couldn't give a fuck less.
you guys fall in line amazingly. which is why you are so successful when you are so terrible for americans. tow the party line always. never ever question what you are told from the party
Spike
06-29-2022, 03:46 AM
most americans do care about 1/6.
you trumpers do not. there will never be any evidence that would have you go against the team. which makes you trumpers impressive in your undying devotion to someone that couldn't give a fuck less.
you guys fall in line amazingly. which is why you are so successful when you are so terrible for americans. tow the party line always. never ever question what you are told from the party
Yeah you are right Omaha, unlike the other side which is so great for us Americans.
Analysis: Trump's election lie becomes a big problem for MAGA Media
https://us.cnn.com/2022/06/22/media/maga-media-reliable-sources/index.html?fr=operanews
. Donald Trump's Big Lie is becoming a big problem for the media outlets that comprise his powerful propaganda arm.
On the same day that the former president's scheme to remain in power was further exposed at another January 6 Committee hearing, Fox and OAN suffered legal defeats in court related to their advancement of his election lies. And last week, on Thursday, Newsmax also suffered a legal loss.
So far, the right-wing media outlets that peddled Trump's false election narratives have had little luck winning in court against the voting tech companies suing them for billions of dollars. It is early in the process, of course. But the string of defeats these media outlets have suffered indicate that these lawsuits have some teeth to them.
The cases also point toward the fact that Trump's election lies will be litigated in court, through multiple cases, regardless of whether the Department of Justice pursues charges against him or not...
The Murdochs and "malice"
The most significant legal development on Tuesday was in regard to Fox. As Bloomberg's Erik Larson and Mike Leonard reported, a judge ruled that Fox Corporation, Fox News' parent company, can be sued by Dominion "because Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch may have acted with 'actual malice' in directing the network to broadcast conspiracy theories alleging the 2020 presidential election was rigged."
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In the decision, Delaware Superior Court Judge Eric M. Davis cited reports that Murdoch privately expressed he knew Trump lost the election. Davis also cited editorials in other Murdoch-run outlets, such as The Wall Street Journal and New York Post, that condemned Trump and encouraged him to accept defeat.
"These allegations support a reasonable inference that Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch either knew Dominion had not manipulated the election or at least recklessly disregarded the truth when they allegedly caused Fox News to propagate its claims about Dominion," Davis wrote. "Thus, Dominion has successfully brought home actual malice to the individuals at Fox Corporation who it claims to be responsible for the broadcasts."
The loss again raises the question as to whether Fox will try to settle the $1.6 billion lawsuit before it reaches the stage of discovery. And if it does attempt to settle, will Dominion allow it to do so? Or will the voting tech company, which has said it aims to clear its name through its lawsuits, want to see the case through?
>> Fox isn't commenting on the matter, though it has in the past defended its coverage and said it was "proud" of it. Bloomberg noted Fox's reps didn't respond to messages seeking comment. And when I checked in on Tuesday evening, I too didn't hear back...
OAN also loses in court
Meanwhile, the right-wing conspiracy channel OAN suffered a loss at the hands of a different voting tech company, Smartmatic. US District Judge Carl Nichols ruled against the media outlet on Tuesday, allowing Smartmatic's lawsuit to proceed, CNN's Tierney Sneed reported. OAN had sought a dismissal on grounds that Nichols' court didn't have jurisdiction. But Nichols rejected the argument...
>> OAN did not respond to my requests for comment on the matter..
"All because of lies"
BY AN PHUNG:
For years now, Trump's lies and unproven conspiracy theories have been front and center in most of the media coverage about him. Rarely do we get to see the other side — the human toll of his incessant lying. But in Tuesday's 1/6 hearing, Wandrea "Shaye" Moss and her mother Ruby Freeman "flipped the script," as Marshall Cohen, Jeremy Herb, and Zachary Cohen wrote in their recap.
The two election workers from Georgia provided troubling and tearful accounts of what it was like to be targeted by Trump and conspiracy theorists who accused them of manipulating ballots. Moss said she "gained about 60 pounds," stopped going out, and added that she "second-guess[ed] everything" that she did. "It's affected my life in a major way, in every way — all because of lies," she said. The extremely online crowd might have some idea of what it's like to be targeted in this way, but Moss and Freeman's testimony brought into sharp relief for a national TV audience what it's like to have your life turned upside down because of the former president's lies...
Who's watching?
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After what Jake Tapper called an "upsetting and distressing day of testimony," full of personal stories from election officials and workers "whose lives were upended by Donald Trump, by his minions, by his mobs, and by his election lies," one had to wonder about the impacts on the intended audiences. Political junkies are paying attention, and DOJ lawyers, but many Republicans continue to argue that the Trump-aligned audience has tuned it out. Former Trump WH chief of staff Mick Mulvaney cited Tuesday's "compelling testimony" but said, "Judging by the ratings (and FB comments) people who need to see that aren't watching. If the Committee wants to change minds, they need to reach people who think Trump won. That doesn't seem to be happening."
Fox showed the hearing again, but moved on very quickly afterward. "They're methodically laying out this case," Bret Baier said on Fox later in the day. But his guest, Sen. Tim Scott, said "I have not taken the time to watch the hearings. I feel like the best use of my time is fighting the inflationary effects." He called the hearing "made for TV" and said (answering Baier's question) that if Trump is the 2024 nominee, "of course we support him."
Spike
06-29-2022, 05:01 PM
You keep putting out shit from CNN Jaff. The most untrusted name in so called news. Brian Stelter??? The biggest lying, hypocritical clown there is.
CNN's ratings are going down the shit hole for good reason, people aren't watching their propaganda and lies anymore. How long did CNN+ last? 3 weeks?
Racehorse
06-29-2022, 05:05 PM
You keep putting out shit from CNN Jaff. The most untrusted name in so called news. Brian Stelter??? The biggest lying, hypocritical clown there is.
CNN's ratings are going down the shit hole for good reason, people aren't watching their propaganda and lies anymore. How long did CNN+ last? 3 weeks?
Let him have his fun. His hatred for anything Trump is obvious. They call it Trump Derangement Syndrome. Yes, Trump is no role model, but the hate is unreal.
rcubed
06-29-2022, 06:01 PM
You keep putting out shit from CNN Jaff. The most untrusted name in so called news. Brian Stelter??? The biggest lying, hypocritical clown there is.
CNN's ratings are going down the shit hole for good reason, people aren't watching their propaganda and lies anymore. How long did CNN+ last? 3 weeks?
tucker carlson.
You keep putting out shit from CNN Jaff. The most untrusted name in so called news. Brian Stelter??? The biggest lying, hypocritical clown there is.
CNN's ratings are going down the shit hole for good reason, people aren't watching their propaganda and lies anymore. How long did CNN+ last? 3 weeks?
They have broadcasted LIVE unedited, the 1-6 committee. Fox news didnt even mention it on the first day. And its pretty hard to trust OAN or Fox since they cant produce on shred of evidence on election fraud. Both are going to trial. They voting machine companies are going to force them to show evidence of their claims of voter fraud.
Your choice of news outlets relied on a guy who makes pillows for their evidence of voter fraud.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/10/1104116455/fox-news-jan-6-hearing
Fox is the nation's most highly rated cable news station and is a favorite of conservatives, Republicans and devotees of former President Donald Trump. But its live coverage of Thursday's Jan. 6 hearing was relegated to Fox Business Network, which is much more lightly viewed, and its digital sites.
To have shown the uninterrupted documentation of the concerted attack on the Capitol in January last year and the concurrent effort to thwart the November 2020 presidential elections would have been to present information that was unwelcome to many core Fox News viewers. After all, the committee's two leaders — Reps. Bennie Thompson of Mississippi, a Democrat, and Liz Cheney of Wyoming, a Republican — directly blamed Trump for attempting to instigate a coup.
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As it turned out, the hearings would also have repeatedly required Fox to have broadcast flat contradictions of what many leading Fox News personalities have told their audiences in the past year and a half — including Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity. Instead, their prime-time shows continued without commercial interruption Thursday, offering an alternate reality to a hearing that showed vivid and bloody detail of a national crisis.
They also did not point viewers to Fox's coverage on the network's other platforms.
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At the hearing, Thompson and Cheney called out Fox and its personalities, sometimes implicitly, sometimes explicitly. Thompson denounced the conspiracy theories circulated to the public. In a three-part series, Carlson famously promoted the idea of a "Patriot Purge," saying honorable citizens participating in a legal protest on Jan. 6 were being wrongly persecuted by the Biden administration. His series relied on claims that had been largely discredited even before he aired them.
On Thursday night, Carlson told viewers the hearing was propaganda, even though he had not seen it. And Carlson dismissed the siege of the Capitol as mere vandalism. Many of those rioters were chanting for then-Vice President Mike Pence and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to be brought to them in a climate of violence.
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Hannity similarly minimized the harm done, even as Cheney was reading aloud the Fox host and frequent Trump adviser's texts to Trump White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany. Off the air, Hannity warned that Trump shouldn't talk any more about overturning the election. Publicly, Hannity minimized the seriousness of the attacks after the first few days.
Cheney noted the admonition from William Barr, Trump's final confirmed attorney general, that the claims of election fraud were groundless and that the claims the voting machines of Dominion Voting Systems had been tampered with was "crazy stuff."
There's a good reason Fox News might not want to air that live, either — 1.6 billion reasons, to be precise. Fox had been filled with similar claims by its hosts, personalities and guests in the weeks following the 2020 elections. Dominion later sued Fox in a $1.6 billion defamation suit that is still pending. Fox's legal defense relies on the argument it was merely covering a public debate and statements of prominent figures. But not on Fox News. At least, not live, and not in prime time, on Thursday night.
Here’s one from a Trump paper
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/ignore-democrats-disingenuous-distractions-heres-how-trump-proved-his-unfitness-on-jan-6
The Jan. 6 commission and the news media, for some reason, decided to lean on hearsay instead of the firsthand accounts that show clearly how unfit former President Donald Trump is for office.
Cassidy Hutchinson, a top aide to White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, gave the most explosive testimony to date, and it deserves attention. But the action movie moment that has excited liberal commentators, an account of President Trump supposedly grabbing a steering wheel or choking a Secret Service agent, is all hearsay, upon which subsequent reporting casts some doubt.
The other attention-grabbing detail supposedly drawn from Hutchinson’s testimony was what Trump said about men arriving at his White House rally with weapons. "They are not here to hurt me," Trump was reported to have said, waving away any need for security.
Trump’s supposed emphasis on “me” is pretty damning, as explained by a liberal NBC legal analyst:
This story is flawed, however. Hutchinson didn’t emphasize the “me” at all in her testimony. That was an addition by Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY). This doesn’t mean that Trump is innocent, nor that Liz Cheney is a liar. It just means that the conclusions drawn from Cheney’s presentation or the tweets repeating it are speculations upon speculations, as explained by my colleague Jerry Dunleavy.
If we are to take anything from what these hearings (and the 2021 impeachment hearings) have taught us, it is that we need to move away from the game of telephone and focus instead on the firsthand accounts of what Donald Trump said and did that day.
Hutchinson was backstage at the White House rally on Jan. 6. She had testified previously that Trump “was very concerned about the shot, meaning the photograph we would get, because the rally space wasn’t full.”
Hutchinson said she heard Trump blame the metal detectors, more formally called magnetometers, abbreviated as “mags.”
“He felt the mags were at fault for not letting everybody in,” she said. “He was angry that we weren’t letting people through the mags with weapons.” Some attendees were being turned away, while others were declining to enter the White House lawn for fear of having their weapons confiscated, Hutchinson testified.
Hutchinson testified that she overheard Trump “say something to the effect of, ‘I don’t care that they have weapons, they’re not here to hurt me. Take the effing mags away. Let my people in. They can march to the Capitol from here. Let the people in. Take the effing mags away.’”
“They’re not here to hurt me” in that context is quite different from “they’re not here to hurt me.” The latter would be an admission that his supporters, whom he would then encourage to march to the Capitol, were there to hurt someone else. But again, that interpretation is not supported by Hutchinson’s testimony, in which the “me” was un-emphasized.
But the former reading, while less damning, is still damaging to Trump. Stipulating that Trump didn’t believe that armed supporters were there to harm Mike Pence or Nancy Pelosi or U.S. senators ready to ratify the Electoral College votes, this testimony still paints Trump as a reckless narcissist.
Trump wanted armed men on the White House lawn. He then wanted them to march from the White House to the Capitol, armed, in order to stop Congress from ratifying his opponent's election victory. That is not the way a leader behaves if he values peace or the functioning of democracy enough to spend a moment thinking things through.
A good shepherd, upon learning that his flock had arrived armed, would have tried to defuse the situation. For starters, he would have cared for his followers’ safety. Marching to the Capitol, with Congress in session, while armed — even if only with a spear or handcuffs or pepper spray — is a good way to ensure bad outcomes, whether arrest, injury, or death.
Of course, a morally fit leader would care about more than just his own followers. He would care also about the Capitol Police and the Secret Service. He would steer as far away as possible from a physical threat to lawmakers (even the opposition).
But Donald Trump wasn’t a morally fit leader or a good shepherd. The only downside he could imagine to an armed crowd was that it could pose a physical threat to himself. Ruling out harm to himself, he considered their weapons (and what they signified about the mindset of the gathered thousands) to be harmless. That doesn’t mean he wanted Pence or Pelosi harmed or expected his followers to try and harm Pence or Pelosi. But at best, Trump didn’t give a second’s thought to the possibility of harm to others.
This man was commander in chief of our military and wants to be so again. He was ultimately in charge of the FBI, the Capitol Police, the Secret Service, and every other federal law enforcement agency. He conducted diplomacy with implications for the life and safety of all sorts of Americans. We ought to be disturbed that he evidently disregarded peace and the safety of others, so long as his own safety was not at stake.
It’s not news that Trump was unfit to lead the federal government, but the new evidence puts that fact into better focus. Every Republican who cares about the country should work to ensure Trump is not their nominee in 2024.
Jan. 6 hearings are flawed — but Republicans can’t ignore Trump’s bad behavior
https://nypost.com/2022/06/30/jan-6-hearings-are-flawed-but-trumps-bad-behavior-isnt-excusable/
Is the Republican party starting to move past Donald Trump? A poll published this week showed that the former president remains the favorite candidate of 53% of Republican voters. But his numbers are slipping, and other candidates are on the rise.
Most noticeable is Ron DeSantis. The same poll showed almost a quarter of Republican voters putting the Florida governor up as their favored nominee. And his numbers are only rising, while Trump’s are only falling. Several polls in recent weeks have even shown DeSantis pulling ahead of Trump.
One reason is obvious. The conclusion that the Jan. 6 hearings are arriving at.
Like a lot of people, I thought at the start of the hearings that the whole thing was little more than partisan political theater. It still seems pretty disgraceful that one political side can effectively carry out a political trial of the other. The Republicans have not solicited a couple of Democrats to form a committee looking into the violence and looting across America in the summer of 2020. Or tried to find which Democrat politicians and media should take responsibility for whipping that along.
Cassidy Hutchinson
Cassidy Hutchinson accused Trump of trying to take the wheel from Secret Service agents who would not take him to the Capitol on Jan. 6.
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So you might say that of course the committee was going to find Donald Trump guilty. If that had been all that happened then Republicans might have been able to ignore it.
But what is very hard to ignore is the evidence that has come out from those closest to Trump — including his advisers and family. Every day of the hearings we have been able to learn exactly what the president was doing during those crucial days and hours.
Without the hearings we would not have known that Trump had been told by his closest advisers that he had lost the election and that there was no way around that. Without the hearings we might not have known how Trump and his family used the money they demanded from supporters to help “stop the steal.”
Liz Cheney
The investigation into the Jan. 6 riot has not been the political theater many expected it to be.
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We would not have known that Ivanka Trump heard her father on the phone telling Vice President Pence he was a “p—y” for not helping to overturn the election results.
Or that Trump was informed that some of his supporters were arriving in the capital with weapons on Jan. 6 but shrugged it off saying “They´re not here to hurt me.”
We wouldn’t have known that Trump sent out his tweet attacking Pence when he had already been told that violence had erupted at the Capitol. Or that he would respond to news that some protestors were chanting “Hang Mike Pence” by saying Pence “deserves” it. Far from being the partisan nothing-burger that some of us expected, every day of hearings has details that would shock a chronicler of the last days of Rome.
This week’s revelation that Trump had wanted to join the crowd as they marched on the Capitol was bad enough. The news that he allegedly made a lunge for the steering wheel of the presidential limo when he was told he was being returned to the White House not the Capitol is a detail that his worst critics could not have dreamed up. It may be a hotly contested claim, but nobody is denying he wanted to join the crowd.
Jan. 6 riot
Trump verbally attacked Vice President Mike Pence for not overturning the election.
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We now know how Trump refused to leave office, ignored everyone telling him he had lost, whipped up a conspiracy theory, drew a crowd to the Capitol and then encouraged some of them to behave utterly shamefully.
Supporters of Trump often tell me that he is the right’s best fighter — and that in order to win an election you have to send your best fighter into the ring. But the truth is that at this stage Trump is a deeply wounded fighter, who is wounding his own side while giving gift after gift to their opponents. He ignored the most basic foundations of democracy, including respecting election results and ensuring the peaceful handover of power. If that is not disqualifying it is hard to know what is.
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The Jan. 6 incitement case against Trump only gets stronger
It would be understandable for Republicans to try to ignore what has come out. But it would also be disastrous. For while die-hard loyalists of Trump may have wanted to look away, the rest of the country has not.
In the coming months I would expect more and more Republicans voters to quietly come to the conclusion that this deeply tainted man cannot be their candidate. They will then begin cohering around a candidate who can thank Trump for what good things he did and then take it from there.
That may be little comfort for Republicans, so let me at least offer one bit of good news. Unlike the Democrats, the Republicans have a good bench. Their front-runners aren’t all in their eighties. They’re successful — even popular.
The Republicans aren´t finished. But the Donald Trump era surely must be.
CletusPyle
07-01-2022, 09:15 PM
https://rumble.com/v1ai0bm-breaking-video-proof-emerges-that-trump-grabbed-the-wheel-on-jan-6th.html
You wanted trump paper news, here it is
https://nypost.com/2022/06/10/trump-and-dems-remain-obsessed-with-2020-republicans-should-look-to-the-future-instead/
. The Jan. 6 Commission is a Democratic campaign ad, a thinly veiled partisan exercise — aired in primetime, with the cooperation of a liberal press — to bolster a failed Joe Biden presidency.
But rather than ignore it or look to the future, Donald Trump, the King Lear of Mar-a-Lago, decided to tweet — er, Truth — yet another statement confirming that he refuses to accept reality. “January 6th was not simply a protest,” he wrote, “it represented the greatest movement in the history of our Country to Make America Great Again.”
It wasn’t, of course. It was a national shame. One that neither Democrats nor Trump can stop obsessing over. It’s time for Republicans to move on.
This isn’t 2016, when the country was sleepwalking toward a Hillary Clinton coronation, and Trump was the only one pugnacious enough to say it doesn’t have to be this way.
He refused to accept that the southern border should be lawless and that China should be allowed to steal jobs. He knew, unapologetically, that the economy flourished under low taxes and little government interference. He pulled off one of the most jaw-dropping upsets in American political history, and — though the liberal media will never admit it — oversaw a term of mostly peace and prosperity.
And this:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-evidence-of-the-jan-6-committee-donald-trump-2020-election-mike-pence-11654896141
The headline is damning
The Evidence of the Jan. 6 Committee
It’s a reminder of the violence and how Trump betrayed his supporters.
That would be you Spike
https://www.newsweek.com/steve-bannon-fox-news-turned-trump-1718395
Steve Bannon Says Fox News Has 'Turned on Trump,' Favors DeSantis
Rupert Murdoch's media empire has "turned on" former president Donald Trump, according to Trump's longtime adviser Steve Bannon.
Bannon made the comments in a Gettr post responding to a Vanity Fair article that pointed out how columnists at several of the media tycoon's U.S. newspapers have been urging readers to "dump Trump" and back Republicans with a better chance of regaining the White House in 2024.
"The game's up for the Donald… It's time Republicans put their faith in the Ronald," Piers Morgan wrote in a recent column for the New York Post, referring to Florida Governor Ron DeSantis.
The piece also outlined how Fox News has been giving DeSantis a national spotlight ahead of a possible 2024 presidential run.
"The Murdochs —-Australians via England—not American, have never sacrificed anything for this Country—their entire media Empire has turned on Trump — Fox News, Wall Street Journal , New York Post , Times of London , The Sun etc etc etc——all lockstep against Trump," Bannon said in a post on Gettr.
Murdoch "has zero 'feel' for America or Americans— I know this first hand —from 2015 and 2016," Bannon added. "Fear not — we've got this."
Bannon has continued to falsely claim that Trump won the 2020 election as the House select committee investigating the January 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol holds televised hearings detailing how Trump's efforts to overturn the election led to his supporters violently storming the building in a bid to disrupt Congress from certifying Joe Biden's victory.
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"Trump knew he won because he did win—and he was told and shown he did win REPEATEDLY... watch WarRoom from those days of November thru Inauguration day," Bannon said on Gettr last week, referring to his right-wing podcast, War Room.
Bannon was chief executive of Trump's 2016 presidential campaign before serving as chief strategist in the White House until August 2017.
In August 2020, Bannon was indicted by a federal grand jury for conspiracy to commit mail fraud and money laundering connected to a crowdfunding campaign that claimed to be raising funds to help Trump construct a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. Prosecutors said Bannon and three others used the funds to enrich themselves.
Bannon was pardoned by Trump shortly before he left office on January 20, 2021.
Last November, the Department of Justice announced that Bannon had been indicted on two counts of contempt of Congress for refusing to comply with a subpoena issued by the committee investigating the Capitol attack.
A federal judge last week rejected Bannon's efforts to dismiss the case. He is facing trial on the charges in July.
Newsweek has reached out to Bannon, Fox News, Trump's spokeswoman and DeSantis' office for comment.
Another turns on trump
https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/06/cassidy-hutchinsons-testimony-against-trump-is-devastating/
Cassidy Hutchinson’s Testimony against Trump Is Devastating
Left: Cassidy Hutcinson testifies before the January 6 committee, June 28, 2022. Right: Former President Donald Trump speaks at a rally in Delaware, Ohio, April 23, 2022.(Evelyn Hockstein, Gaelen Morse/Reuters)
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Cassidy Hutchinson, a top aide to Trump’s White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, provided compelling testimony Tuesday that former president Donald Trump is singularly culpable for the Capitol riot.
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The testimony in a session of the House January 6 committee — a session abruptly called, reportedly due to concerns about Ms. Hutchinson’s safety — was devastating because it was directly about the former president. The day’s lone witness pulled back the curtain that countless advisers and aides kept around the mercurial Trump for four years. There are significant questions about aspects of her account, particularly where it involved hearsay — things she had been told about the president’s actions, as opposed to the things she herself witnessed. We also have to reserve judgment, even allowing that she seems impressive, because the highly partisan, unapologetically anti-Trump committee merely presents its side of the story, and has gone to unseemly lengths to exclude cross-examination and alternative perspectives. All in all, though, Hutchinson showed the nation, moment by moment, what he was like on a day when, undeniably, Trump was at his worst.
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It was worse than America thought. Even Americans with extraordinarily low expectations about the former president’s previously undisclosed, behind-the-scenes behavior during the hours when the riot unfolded.
Skillfully led through a prosecutor-style direct examination by committee chairwoman Liz Cheney, Hutchinson explained that Trump was like a wild beast at the Ellipse shortly before his gasoline-on-the-fire speech. The security personnel had set up magnetometers for entry into the area. That thinned the throngs proximate to the podium where he’d be speaking. Trump was ballistic because of the effect on “the shot” — the video image of his speech that would go out to the world. He wanted an overflowing crowd. He wanted to convey the impression, the reality, of a rabid mob furious that the election had been stolen, furious that Congress was poised to count the “fraudulent” electoral votes and pronounce Joe Biden the winner.
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The magnetometers were vital for security. Despite its being obvious that the “mags” would detect weapons, many fanatics went through them anyway. Police thus seized knives, clubs, toxic sprays, brass knuckles, and so on. But that is not what most alarmed security forces. They worried about the mobs outside the Ellipse — the fanatics who chose not to go through the mags because they were armed with deadlier weapons: Glock pistols, AR-15s, other firearms. Cheney played communications traffic among the security forces, along with video depicting gunmen who were spotted in trees and elsewhere out on the Mall.
The president of the United States, nevertheless, was “furious,” Hutchinson related, because the armed mob was being kept away. It spoiled the optics he had in mind.
“Take the f***ing mags away,” he screamed at his aides and security personnel. Told that this could not be done because it was too dangerous, because there were too many lethal weapons, Trump lost it. “They’re not here to hurt me,” he countered. It didn’t matter that they were obviously there to hurt others, and that those others were patently the people inside the Capitol, the ones Trump was accusing of stealing the election. The mobs, even if armed, were his people, Trump insisted. “Take the f***ing mags away. They’re not here to hurt me. They can come in. Then they can march on the Capitol.”
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Hutchinson was on the scene. This gale of rage happened, she testified, just two or three minutes before the president went to the podium.
There, he gave a willfully provocative speech. Legal analysts, myself included, while not defending the speech — which is indefensible — have pointed out that it does not meet the demanding legal test for incitement. Trump makes grudging references to protesting “peacefully” — and Cheney continues to damage her credibility by eliding mention of that (and it’s gratuitous self-damage because, the more the evidence mounts, the more apparent it is that it’s just a couple of throwaway lines — which doesn’t justify omitting it as if it didn’t happen). Well, Trump’s words may not have been incitement as a matter of law, but that doesn’t mean they are not evidence of other potential crimes — especially once you are informed about how fully aware the president was about the mob being lethally armed. It is a crime, to take just one example, to aid and abet the forcible intimidation of government officials, including the vice president and members of Congress.
In any event, Hutchinson explained that the speech, like all presidential speeches, was carefully vetted by staff. White House counsel Pat Cipollone and his staff pleaded for removal of the exhortations Trump was insistent on including — “fight for me,” “fight for the movement,” and so on. They were too close to the legal line of incitement. It was plainly foreseeable that the mob could take forcible action; if it did, White House lawyers feared that this rhetoric would place Trump squarely in legal jeopardy for whatever mayhem resulted — obstruction of congressional proceedings, intimidation of and assault on federal officials, and so on.
The rhetoric stayed in the speech.
So did Trump’s vow that he would be marching to the Capitol with the mob.
This had been a bone of contention for days. Cipollone had admonished Meadows, and beseeched Hutchinson to be firm with Meadows, that the president absolutely must not go to the Capitol from the Ellipse. Meadows was not interested in confronting Trump on this. It may be that he supported the insane idea, but that doesn’t matter, since it was Trump who insisted he was doing it. Cipollone told Hutchinson of his serious legal concerns: “Please make sure we don’t go to the Capitol, Cass,” he said. “We’re going to be accused of every crime imaginable.” Hutchinson recalled that Cipollone was especially worried the president would be accused of obstruction — of interfering in the electoral count.
Hutchinson recounted that, after numerous discussions about this among White House staff and security officials, it was “settled” that Trump would not go to the Capitol — which is to say, the underlings made the call without the boss, the president, being on board. Trump, however, did not care what his subordinates thought. As he reminded people innumerable times on January 6, “I’m the f***ing president.” Gliding on the energy of his Ellipse speech, Trump told the throngs that they’d soon be marching on the Capitol and that he’d be going with them.
Instantly, Hutchinson’s phone rang. It was Kevin McCarthy, the House Republican minority leader. What did Trump mean by that, McCarthy demanded. He can’t come here, McCarthy inveighed, reminding Hutchinson that he’d been promised Trump would not proceed to the Capitol following the speech. Hutchinson assured him that it wouldn’t happen.
It was happening, though — at least the planning for it was concrete and well underway. The records of the Secret Service and the National Security Council, which was watching things unfold in real time, indicate that plans were being made on the fly for Trump to go to the Capitol — to march there, perhaps, or go by car. In fact, these agencies assumed that, once Trump ended his speech at 1:10 p.m., he was on his way to the Hill. It was just a matter of finding the best route.
Nevertheless, Hutchinson says she learned from Tony Ornato, the Secret Service official who ran White House security operations, that the agent who headed up Trump’s security detail, Robert Engel, was adamant: The president would not be going to the Capitol.
Immediately following the speech, Trump entered a Secret Service SUV and told his detail, “Take me to the f***ing Capitol.” According to Ornato, Engel told the president that this would not be possible, that it was too dangerous. Trump became irate, railing, “I’m the f***ing president, take me up to the Capitol now.”
Fortunately, Engel had no intention of testing the “I was just following orders” defense. He refused the president. What Hutchinson says happened next is already controversial. She was told that things got physical. Trump was said to have lunged forward from the back seat and grabbed the steering wheel, prompting Engel to grasp the president’s arm and state, “Sir, you need to take you hand off the steering wheel, we’re going back to the West Wing, we’re not going to the Capitol.” Hutchinson was told that, at that point, Trump lunged at Engel, his free hand forcibly aimed at the agent’s clavicle. Then things deescalated and the SUV went back to the White House — not the Capitol.
Trump, who was obviously hanging on Hutchinson’s every word this afternoon, issued a statement on his Truth Social platform, declaring, “Her Fake story that I tried to grab the steering wheel of the White House Limousine in order to steer it to the Capitol Building is ‘sick’ and fraudulent, very much like the Unselect Committee itself.” NBC News, no Trump apologist, reported that its “close to the Secret Service” source said Engel would dispute Hutchinson’s account, as would the driver. Trump apologists, moreover, were quick to point out that Hutchinson’s account is hearsay: She heard the story from Ornato, who got it from Engel.
That’s true. Still, a few things are worth bearing in mind. First, this isn’t just any hearsay — like idle chatter a witness might eavesdrop on. We’re talking here about a chain of command, where government officials are expected to report things to their superiors — in this instance, up to the president’s chief-of-staff. More to the point, Hutchinson learned these details just minutes after the encounter in the SUV. Ornato came directly to Meadows’s office with Engel. As Engel looked on in apparent affirmation, Ornato relayed what had just happened to Hutchinson. Engel gave no indication that Ornato had gotten any of the details wrong. And if Hutchinson is lying or exaggerating, it’s strange that, under oath, she would voluntarily identify so many witnesses who could contradict her.
On that score, we must note that before presenting Hutchinson’s stunning testimony, the committee interviewed Engel. (It is not clear to me whether Ornato has testified.) Consistent with the panel’s maddeningly opaque process, Engel’s testimony has not been released, so we can’t weigh it against Hutchinson’s and we don’t even know if he was asked about what happened in the SUV. All we can say is that before choosing to elicit Hutchinson’s account in a hyped public hearing, the committee heard Engel’s testimony. Presumably, if Engel gave the committee reason to believe Hutchinson’s hearsay account was wrong, Cheney would not have adduced it. If it turns out that Engel disputed Hutchinson’s story, and that Cheney knew that but adduced Hutchinson’s story anyway, without confronting Hutchinson with Engel’s contrary version of events, the committee might as well pack up its bags and go home. Going forward, the committee must come clean with all the evidence it has collected on this matter. At the very least, we should hear testimony from Ornato.
Whatever happened in the SUV, Trump returned to the West Wing incensed, especially at Meadows, whom he blamed for preventing him from going to the Capitol. Hutchinson said she did not witness whatever conversation first occurred between the president and his chief of staff. When she found Meadows in his office, though, he seemed catatonic. The television was on, the rioters were closing in on the Capitol, and Hutchinson tried to snap Meadows out of it, asking if he’d spoken with Trump. No, Meadows said, Trump wanted to be alone right now. Feeling like she was watching a slow-motion trainwreck, she pressed him, bringing up Meadows’s friend, Congressman Jim Jordan: Mark, do you know where Jim is? Rioters seemed poised to enter the Capitol. No, Meadows indicated that he hadn’t heard from Jordan, but the thought at least seemed to get his wheels spinning.
Just then, Cipollone came racing down the hall. “Mark,” he thundered, the rioters had gotten to the Capitol. “We need to go see the president right now.” Meadows fecklessly replied that Trump was aware of what was going on but didn’t want to do anything at the moment.
Cipollone was incredulous. Things had already turned violent. “Mark, something’s got to be done right now.” If it wasn’t, “blood will be on your hands.”
That, Hutchinson recalled, happened sometime around 2:15 to 2:25. Cipollone browbeat Meadows into going to see Trump.
As Hutchinson waited behind, Jordan called, desperately seeking Meadows. Hutchinson ran with the cellphone over to the dining room off the Oval Office. The door was closed. After confirming with the valet that Meadows was inside, she stepped into the room and got Meadows’s attention. As she handed him the phone, she could hear chaotic background noise, including the now-infamous “Hang Mike Pence” chants. Hutchinson then left Meadows and Cipollone to their tense discussion with Trump.
Moments later, the dejected pair came back to Meadows’s office — Hutchinson believed they might have been accompanied by associate White House counsel Eric Herschmann. She remembered Cipollone continuing to light into Meadows: “We’ve got to do something, they’re calling for the vice president to be f***ing hung.” Referring with resignation to the conversation they’d just had with Trump, Meadows told Cipollone, “You heard him. He thinks Mike deserves it. He doesn’t think they’re doing anything wrong.”
That is the background that we did not know, up until now, for Trump’s infamous tweet at 2:24 p.m.:
Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify.
The tweet launched a flurry of resignations — Matthew Pottinger, the deputy national-security adviser, told the committee he decided there and then to quit by day’s end. More followed, most prominently Education secretary Betsy DeVos and Transportation secretary Elaine Chao.
There was much more to Hutchinson’s testimony. Trump is prone to tantrums — throwing his plate of lunch against a wall upon learning of Attorney General Bill Barr’s public disclosure that there was no evidence of widespread election fraud. This was part of a pattern: It was not unusual for the president to hurl the porcelain when his temper erupted, or just yank the tablecloth and send the whole crashing mess to the floor, for the help to clean up.
That was the unhinged Trump of January 6, Hutchinson recalled: turning a deaf ear to his daughter, his oldest son, members of Congress, and friendly media who were imploring him — directly and through Meadows — to tell the rioters to stand down, to do something to stop the violence. He didn’t want to hear it. He couldn’t be moved from his conviction that the rioters were in the right, that it was Pence who had betrayed him.
It wasn’t until after 4 p.m. that his staff could prevail on Trump to make a statement telling his supporters to go home in peace. But he refused to condemn the attack. He told the mob that he “loved” them, that they were “very special,” and that he empathized with their anger.
The president was equally opposed to the healing speech his staff pleaded with him to give the day after the riot. What seemed finally to nudge him into it was the staff’s explanation that serious discussions were underway about the potential of invoking the 25th Amendment to remove him from office. Even then, though, Trump could not be pushed into saying that the election was now over. And it took emphatic advice from Cipollone and Herschmann to talk him out of broaching the possibility of pardoning people involved in the uprising.
Now, it is all well and good to remind everyone, again, that the January 6 committee has foolishly undermined its credibility by failing to provide a fair process. No, there was no cross-examination of Hutchinson. Maybe it will turn out that — as Trump’s characteristically indecorous social-media outbursts during the testimony suggested — Hutchinson is a “total phony,” a “leaker” and “bad news” . . . although she has worked for many top Republicans, is well-liked by many more, and appears to have continued getting promoted over the years because she does a good job.
We should understand, in any event, that what Cheney did with Hutchinson Tuesday is what prosecutors do with witnesses in grand juries every day: drawing out the witness’s testimony with no obligation to provide the defense perspective. To be sure, no one gets convicted at the grand-jury stage, but an awful lot of people get indicted this way, and on far less evidence than the country heard today.
Moreover, when we say the committee lacks due-process legitimacy, that means it lacks legitimacy as an ultimate finder of fact. It does not mean that we can blithely dismiss any evidence the committee discloses. It does not mean that, because we’d prefer that the evidence not be true, we can dismiss it out of hand because we don’t like the Democrats or the committee process. These witnesses are testifying under oath. There is significant risk to them if they are found to have committed perjury.
For now, all we can responsibly do is ask ourselves whether the evidence presented under these deficient procedures seems coherent and credible. Whether it will ultimately hold up when finally challenged — as it very well may be in, say, an eventual criminal trial — is another story. I’ll just say this: When I was a prosecutor, I obtained very good information from sources that were a lot more suspect than the January 6 committee — terrorists, hitmen, fraudsters. Yes, I still had to prove it in court, in the crucible of adversarial challenge and cross-examination. On the other hand, I wouldn’t have elicited it in court unless I had first been convinced that it was true.
Cheney ended Tuesday’s testimony by eliciting from Hutchinson that both Meadows and Rudy Giuliani sought pardons. (Trump didn’t give any.) It had been Giuliani, back on the night of January 2, who first asked Hutchinson, “Cass, are you excited for the Sixth? It’s going to be a great day. The president will be there, he’ll look powerful. Ask the chief about it.”
Shortly afterwards, she went to the office of the chief of staff, Meadows, and related Giuliani’s words. Meadows was quiet for a while. Finally, he answered, “There’s a lot going on Cass, but things might get real, real bad.”
They did. And Trump, who had tweeted that his supporters should come for a “wild” time in Washington, manifestly knew things might get real, real bad. Instead of trying to stop it, he willfully exacerbated the problem — and would apparently have made it worse still if the Secret Service had not been courageously insubordinate.
That’s what we learned today. Things will not be the same after this.
Spike
07-02-2022, 02:07 PM
You wanted trump paper news, here it is
https://nypost.com/2022/06/10/trump-and-dems-remain-obsessed-with-2020-republicans-should-look-to-the-future-instead/
And this:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-evidence-of-the-jan-6-committee-donald-trump-2020-election-mike-pence-11654896141
The headline is damning
The Evidence of the Jan. 6 Committee
It’s a reminder of the violence and how Trump betrayed his supporters.
That would be you Spike
I don't give a shit about January 6th, it means absolutely nothing to me. There are more pressing issues in America right now than rehashing the 1/6 bullshit ad nauseam.
I don't give a shit about January 6th, it means absolutely nothing to me. There are more pressing issues in America right now than rehashing the 1/6 bullshit ad nauseam.
Yeah, because you got conned by the biggest bullshitter in the last 40 years. He is a wannabe mob boss. Wake the fuck up. He is a traitor to the republic. Do you know what he and putin talked about in private. Bitch all you want about biden, he never met with a criminal with no one else in the room
A failed coup, to overturn a national election? That doesnt interest you?
Spike
07-02-2022, 09:00 PM
Yeah, because you got conned by the biggest bullshitter in the last 40 years. He is a wannabe mob boss. Wake the fuck up. He is a traitor to the republic. Do you know what he and putin talked about in private. Bitch all you want about biden, he never met with a criminal with no one else in the room
A failed coup, to overturn a national election? That doesnt interest you?
What's the matter Jaff, you mad? Not everyone is going to agree with you, you just have to deal with it. I didn't get conned by anyone, and as far as waking the fuck up, my eyes are wide open. Have you ever had the thought that maybe it's you who needs to wake the fuck up and quit letting Trump rule your world in your head.
Hey, if Trump is guilty of being a traitor, throw his ass in jail, no skin off my back.
You sound like the typical liberal. "If you don't agree with me, you need to wake the fuck up." Or, I'm right and you're wrong. Quit with that bullshit.
omahacolt
07-02-2022, 11:07 PM
You keep putting out shit from CNN Jaff. The most untrusted name in so called news. Brian Stelter??? The biggest lying, hypocritical clown there is.
CNN's ratings are going down the shit hole for good reason, people aren't watching their propaganda and lies anymore. How long did CNN+ last? 3 weeks?
fox news settles lawsuits arguing something like "no serious person could ever believe this is news and not entertainment"
that is their argument in fucking court
omahacolt
07-02-2022, 11:08 PM
I don't give a shit about January 6th, it means absolutely nothing to me. There are more pressing issues in America right now than rehashing the 1/6 bullshit ad nauseam.
an attempted overthrow of the government should concern you at least a tad. unless you are into that sort of thing
Spike
07-02-2022, 11:16 PM
an attempted overthrow of the government should concern you at least a tad. unless you are into that sort of thing
Like I said, if Trump is found guilty, throw his ass in jail. But there are a few other politicians who need to go with him.
Spike
07-02-2022, 11:27 PM
fox news settles lawsuits arguing something like "no serious person could ever believe this is news and not entertainment"
that is their argument in fucking court
I didn't mention Fox News. Jaff is the one constantly posting CNN's propaganda BS. Does Fox News have an agenda, yes they do, but I don't post their shit here.
I will mention this again. I am not a democrat or a republican. All I want is what's best for all Americans, unlike some politicians who only want what's best for them, republican or democrat.
I didn't mention Fox News. Jaff is the one constantly posting CNN's propaganda BS. Does Fox News have an agenda, yes they do, but I don't post their shit here.
I will mention this again. I am not a democrat or a republican. All I want is what's best for all Americans, unlike some politicians who only want what's best for them, republican or democrat.
There are 2 different articles in this postfrom murdoch publications and npr clamiing trump is done. Not from cnn.
Like I said, if Trump is found guilty, throw his ass in jail. But there are a few other politicians who need to go with him.
One thing at a time, their turns will come.
Racehorse
07-03-2022, 08:45 AM
There are 2 different articles in this postfrom murdoch publications and npr clamiing trump is done. Not from cnn.
I agree that he is done as a candidate. He blew it with COVID and the racial divide during his term in office. However, his impact on elections will continue for some time.
I agree that he is done as a candidate. He blew it with COVID and the racial divide during his term in office. However, his impact on elections will continue for some time.
You mean lying about how he lost a free and fair election? Where NO ONE has discovered any evidence of election fraud EXCEPT for Trump demanding that Georgia find him 7000 votes, on a recorded conversation with Georgia state officials?
Yeah, there was fraud, perpetrated by Trump.
omahacolt
07-03-2022, 04:19 PM
Like I said, if Trump is found guilty, throw his ass in jail. But there are a few other politicians who need to go with him.
criminals should be locked up
but we both know, powerful people are generally free from consequences. clearly pelosi has been insider trading for years. nobody looks into it.
we can't prosecute them ourselves. but we can say no thank you when voting.
omahacolt
07-03-2022, 04:22 PM
Let him have his fun. His hatred for anything Trump is obvious. They call it Trump Derangement Syndrome. Yes, Trump is no role model, but the hate is unreal.
what is to like about Trump?
he is as morally bankrupt as any person i have ever seen. he has not a single good quality about him.
Spike
07-03-2022, 04:50 PM
criminals should be locked up
but we both know, powerful people are generally free from consequences. clearly pelosi has been insider trading for years. nobody looks into it.
we can't prosecute them ourselves. but we can say no thank you when voting.
I agree. But what if you want to say no thank you to every candidate? What do you do then? I have voted republican lately because the democrats have gone so far left and it goes against what I personally believe. Voting for anybody other than a democrat or republican is a wasted vote. We are stuck in a conundrum, and it sucks.
Spike
07-03-2022, 04:59 PM
One thing at a time, their turns will come.
Not based on history it won't.
Not based on history it won't.
Nixon and watergate
Lov2fish
07-03-2022, 11:05 PM
I agree. But what if you want to say no thank you to every candidate? What do you do then? I have voted republican lately because the democrats have gone so far left and it goes against what I personally believe. Voting for anybody other than a democrat or republican is a wasted vote. We are stuck in a conundrum, and it sucks.
The wasted votes are on the same tired candidates. I would love to see term limits officially, but, we do have term limits already, in the voting booth. We have the option to remove them for fucking up, or rewarding them for fucking up. Americans suffer from the boiling frog effect and nothing will change to incumbents who seek reelection. Its just the nature of political tribalism!
We have to get away from the Republican/Democrat conundrum. Trump and Biden has damaged both parties that will take a while to recover from.
I am not sure why the democrats are pursuing Trump so hard. They should just let him run, he is beatable again. If they get a conviction against him that prevents another shot at potus, they will get Ron Desantis. He has no skeletons in his closet and the democrats have nobody who can beat him. So in essence they are setting themselves up for 8-16 years of republican leadership in the white house. I say 16 years cause if he picks a strong running mate it will be lights out for the democrats. They can stomp their feet and whine and say no all they want, but the best they could do last election was an 80 year old man with dementia. They gonna run Bernie? Kamala lol. Elizabeth Warren? They got nothing that doesn't have baggage attached to it.
rcubed
07-04-2022, 02:07 AM
It looks like Newsom is trying to set himself up, possibly to run against DeSantis at some point in the future.
There’s also Buttigieg but he is still on the young side and it would be interesting to see how general america handles the gay aspect.
Racehorse
07-04-2022, 08:15 AM
The wasted votes are on the same tired candidates. I would love to see term limits officially, but, we do have term limits already, in the voting booth. We have the option to remove them for fucking up, or rewarding them for fucking up. Americans suffer from the boiling frog effect and nothing will change to incumbents who seek reelection. Its just the nature of political tribalism!
We have to get away from the Republican/Democrat conundrum. Trump and Biden has damaged both parties that will take a while to recover from.
I am not sure why the democrats are pursuing Trump so hard. They should just let him run, he is beatable again. If they get a conviction against him that prevents another shot at potus, they will get Ron Desantis. He has no skeletons in his closet and the democrats have nobody who can beat him. So in essence they are setting themselves up for 8-16 years of republican leadership in the white house. I say 16 years cause if he picks a strong running mate it will be lights out for the democrats. They can stomp their feet and whine and say no all they want, but the best they could do last election was an 80 year old man with dementia. They gonna run Bernie? Kamala lol. Elizabeth Warren? They got nothing that doesn't have baggage attached to it.
I agree about Trump. And the same can be argued about the abortion issue. The left has us right where they want us on this, and will play it into a lot of midterm victories if some states go too far on abortion laws. We need common sense laws that allow for some exceptions, but a lot of states have gone full ban already.
Racehorse
07-04-2022, 08:25 AM
what is to like about Trump?
he is as morally bankrupt as any person i have ever seen. he has not a single good quality about him.
Never said there was much to like. In fact, I sort of claimed the opposite. I just don't hate the guy like Jaff does.
Never said there was much to like. In fact, I sort of claimed the opposite. I just don't hate the guy like Jaff does.
He is a traitor. Thats why.
Racehorse
07-04-2022, 09:07 AM
He is a traitor. Thats why.
He is an egotistical crybaby blowhard, but to call him a traitor is hyperbole.
Lov2fish
07-04-2022, 09:53 AM
It looks like Newsom is trying to set himself up, possibly to run against DeSantis at some point in the future.
There’s also Buttigieg but he is still on the young side and it would be interesting to see how general america handles the gay aspect.
Newsome is way to far left to ever be a serious contender outside the west coast. I'm ok with Pete being gay if his policies were better I don't think his sexual preference would hurt him, his project policies will (From 2020 primaries)
Lov2fish
07-04-2022, 09:57 AM
I agree about Trump. And the same can be argued about the abortion issue. The left has us right where they want us on this, and will play it into a lot of midterm victories if some states go too far on abortion laws. We need common sense laws that allow for some exceptions, but a lot of states have gone full ban already.
I think some stronghold republican states are making a huge mistake by not adjusting their abortion laws to fit actual real life circumstances. If they do that and the sure to come backlash for the economical catastrophe that is the Biden administration the conservative candidates will crush the liberals come November. Hell, even democrats are turning on the "Woke" liberal crowds. November will be interesting for sure.
rcubed
07-04-2022, 12:17 PM
Newsome is way to far left to ever be a serious contender outside the west coast. I'm ok with Pete being gay if his policies were better I don't think his sexual preference would hurt him, his project policies will (From 2020 primaries)
Agree on newsom. There are a lot of us Californians that dont even like him.
Not so sure regarding pete. I think there are still too many people that would vote against him because he is gay.
Lov2fish
07-04-2022, 12:22 PM
Agree on newsom. There are a lot of us Californians that dont even like him.
Not so sure regarding pete. I think there are still too many people that would vote against him because he is gay.
I would think we have come further as a country. If Pete would move closer to center he would be a contender against Desantis. Not sure he could beat him. I'm not sure anyone could at this point. He doesn't carry excessive baggage, he watched and learned what Trump did wrong. Mid terms will tell a lot about how the voters are leaning.
I like Mayor Pete. He cant get elected President. He wouldnt carry Indiana.
I really like John Thune. He would carry all the states that have 4 electoral votes, but he wont carry texas or florida
He is an egotistical crybaby blowhard, but to call him a traitor is hyperbole.
He tried conspired to steal the election. To misrepresent the will of the people. He was in involved in a conspiracy to alter the results of a federal election. That is a federal crime. He conned thousands of people to chant stop the steal, and he was committing the crime
He is a traitor, he violated his oath, to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution. He threatened Georgia election officials, to find 7000 votes. Its on the record, its was recorded. It is a crime to tamper with a federal election.
Racehorse
07-05-2022, 08:19 AM
He tried conspired to steal the election. To misrepresent the will of the people. He was in involved in a conspiracy to alter the results of a federal election. That is a federal crime. He conned thousands of people to chant stop the steal, and he was committing the crime
He is a traitor, he violated his oath, to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution. He threatened Georgia election officials, to find 7000 votes. Its on the record, its was recorded. It is a crime to tamper with a federal election.
Like the millions of votes the democrats found after they stopped counting?
omahacolt
07-05-2022, 10:48 AM
Like the millions of votes the democrats found after they stopped counting?
no evidence for this
trump is a traitor. that isn't hyperbole. right wingers like to bury their head in the sand but the facts are known
omahacolt
07-05-2022, 11:00 AM
Yeah you are right Omaha, unlike the other side which is so great for us Americans.
democrats are trash
they just arent the ones trying to overthrow the government and stripping americans of their rights.
they aren't the same
omahacolt
07-05-2022, 11:09 AM
The wasted votes are on the same tired candidates. I would love to see term limits officially, but, we do have term limits already, in the voting booth. We have the option to remove them for fucking up, or rewarding them for fucking up. Americans suffer from the boiling frog effect and nothing will change to incumbents who seek reelection. Its just the nature of political tribalism!
We have to get away from the Republican/Democrat conundrum. Trump and Biden has damaged both parties that will take a while to recover from.
I am not sure why the democrats are pursuing Trump so hard. They should just let him run, he is beatable again. If they get a conviction against him that prevents another shot at potus, they will get Ron Desantis. He has no skeletons in his closet and the democrats have nobody who can beat him. So in essence they are setting themselves up for 8-16 years of republican leadership in the white house. I say 16 years cause if he picks a strong running mate it will be lights out for the democrats. They can stomp their feet and whine and say no all they want, but the best they could do last election was an 80 year old man with dementia. They gonna run Bernie? Kamala lol. Elizabeth Warren? They got nothing that doesn't have baggage attached to it.
losing the next election can and probably will happen. the democrats have no good candidate to run.
that said. going after trump has to happen. if there are no consequences for trying to overthrow an election, they will do it. and thanks to the corrupt supreme court probably going to rule that state legislatures can deny the will of the people, the final steps will be put in place.
and you guys will get what you want. you will get to own the libs by ripping up the constitution and having a dictatorship
Lov2fish
07-05-2022, 01:22 PM
losing the next election can and probably will happen. the democrats have no good candidate to run.
that said. going after trump has to happen. if there are no consequences for trying to overthrow an election, they will do it. and thanks to the corrupt supreme court probably going to rule that state legislatures can deny the will of the people, the final steps will be put in place.
and you guys will get what you want. you will get to own the libs by ripping up the constitution and having a dictatorship
You get more unhinged than some woman on the rag. Supreme court has not done anything remotely questionable, except making the constitution relevant again which drives liberals insane. Dictatorship, you mean like the one the democrats are trying to pull off. They cringe at the sight of the constitution and only speak of it when using it against republicans. Your blind faith is fucking sickening.
I personally don't care if they convict Trump of anything or not, I pointed out what I would be doing if I was a democrat strategist (Oxymoron) I am ok with Desantis. At least he has read the constitution and understands his oath to defend it. For democrats it is just historical toilet paper. Fuck them.
Like the millions of votes the democrats found after they stopped counting?
Find some evidence,
I think some stronghold republican states are making a huge mistake by not adjusting their abortion laws to fit actual real life circumstances.
Damn. Well done.
The economic problems cant be fixed by the Dems or the Pubs on their own. They need to stop beating each other over the head getting into a room and come up with a plan together otherwise it’s never gonna work
https://www.ajc.com/politics/fulton-grand-jury-subpoenas-giuliani-graham-trump-confidantes/POUNSTTUXZDGDB3D5LKA7TIQQM/
Fulton grand jury subpoenas Giuliani, Graham, Trump confidantes
. The Fulton County special grand jury investigating potential criminal interference in Georgia’s 2020 elections has subpoenaed key members of former President Donald Trump’s legal team, including his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, according to copies obtained by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
In addition to Giuliani, among those being summoned are John Eastman, Cleta Mitchell, Kenneth Chesebro and Jenna Ellis, all of whom advised Trump on strategies for overturning Democrat Joe Biden’s wins in Georgia and other swing states.
The grand jury also subpoenaed South Carolina U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham, one of Trump’s top allies in the U.S. Senate, and attorney and podcast host Jacki Pick Deason.
The subpoenas, were filed July 5 and signed off by Fulton Superior Court Judge Robert McBurney, who is overseeing the special grand jury. Unlike subpoenas issued to Georgians, the summons were required to receive McBurney’s blessing since they are for people who reside outside the state.
The 23-person special grand jury has heard testimony in recent weeks from a parade of witnesses, including some who had direct contact with Trump and his associates. But Tuesday’s subpoenas are the closest jurors have gotten to the inner circle of the former president.
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Giuliani, Trump’s personal lawyer, testified before Georgia legislators on three separate occasions in late 2020. His comments, which have become a major interest to the special grand jury, were filled with sensationalist claims and conspiracy theories about tens of thousands of people voting illegally and rigged voting machines that were quickly debunked by state authorities or rejected in the courts. He was suspended from practicing law in New York in June 2021 in part because of his testimony in Georgia.
Eastman, a former law professor, was a key architect of the plan to press Vice President Mike Pence to reject the official Democratic electors in Georgia and other swing states and opt for an alternative slate of GOP electors. A federal judge in March argued that “it is more likely than not that President Trump and Dr. Eastman dishonestly conspired to obstruct the Joint Session of Congress on January 6, 2021.”
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Eastman testified at a Georgia legislative hearing after the election, during which he argued that there was “more than enough” evidence of fraud and improper conduct to warrant lawmakers picking an alternative slate of presidential electors.
“I don’t think it’s just your authority to do that,” Eastman said, “but, quite frankly, I think you have a duty to do that to protect the integrity of the election here in Georgia.”
Mitchell, a conservative lawyer based in Washington, D.C., advised Trump on the infamous Jan. 2, 2021, call that the Republican placed to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. During that conversation, in which Trump asked Raffensperger to “find” 11,780 votes, Mitchell aided Trump as he made unsubstantiated claims about Georgia’s elections.
Graham separately called Raffensperger in the days following the November 2020 elections and allegedly questioned whether the secretary of state had the power to reject more legally cast absentee ballots to help Trump narrow his deficit in Georgia. Graham denied the allegation.
Bob Costello, Giuliani’s attorney, declined to comment and said his client had not been served any subpoena.
It may be difficult for Fulton prosecutors to secure testimony from Giuliani, Eastman, Mitchell, Chesebro and Ellis, since they could argue attorney-client privilege. Eastman argued for the exemption as he sought to block the handover of evidence to the select committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack, though he was largely shot down by a federal judge.
Fulton County DA Fani Willis launched the criminal probe into Georgia’s elections in February 2021, weeks after a recording of the Trump-Raffensperger phone call leaked. She’s since expanded the investigation to include the fake GOP electors, Giuliani’s testimony to state legislators and other efforts to pressure Georgia officials to act in Trump’s favor.
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The special grand jury has permission to meet until May 2023, though Willis said she’s expecting the group’s work to wrap up long before then. Jurors are expected to draft a report at the end of their service recommending whether Willis should press charges against Trump or his allies, though the final decision ultimately rests with Willis, a Democrat.
Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, several of his deputies and Attorney General Chris Carr have already testified before the grand jury. Gov. Brian Kemp, who rebuffed pressure from Trump to call a special session of the state legislature to reverse the election results, is slated to give a video statement later this month.
Willis is currently fighting with at least two current and former Republican officials in Georgia over subpoenas. Attorneys for Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan and ex-Sen. William Ligon argued last week that the state Constitution shields them from testifying about anything related to their legislative activities.
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The District Attorney’s office argues that activities that seek to reverse certified election results are not protected by so-called legislative immunity.
“Where dishonesty or misinformation was the result, Members should be subject to questioning by the special purpose grand jury,” the DA wrote in a recent court filing.
McBurney, who heard arguments from the DA’s office and the lawmakers, is currently drafting a framework about the types of questions prosecutors can ask without violating immunity rules.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mitt-romney-likens-trump-s-false-claim-that-he-won-in-2020-to-the-delusion-that-leads-people-to-feed-money-into-slot-machines/ar-AAZe89W?cvid=e6072ae1c4424f8691d152fd2c28b54f
Sen. Mitt Romney says a "classic example of denial" comes from former President Donald Trump's false claims that he won the 2020 election, defeating President Joe Biden in a landslide victory.
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"Perhaps this is a branch of the same delusion that leads people to feed money into slot machines: Because I really want to win, I believe that I will win," Romney, a former GOP presidential nominee who represents Utah in the Senate, wrote in a July 4 essay in The Atlantic.
The essay takes aim at "wishful thinking" across the political spectrum and the nation's "blithe dismissal of potentially cataclysmic threats."
"More and more, we are a nation in denial," he wrote. "I have witnessed time and again—in myself and in others—a powerful impulse to believe what we hope to be the case."
He cited other examples of denial: drought as part of a reversible cycle, the debt taking care of itself with economic growth and the January 6 insurrection being a "false-flag operation."
"When entire countries fail to confront serious challenges, it doesn't end well," he warned. "During the past half century, we Americans have lived in a very forgiving time, and seeing the world through rose-colored glasses had limited consequences."
Romney, who voted twice to convict Trump in his impeachment trials, said leadership is the cure for "wishful thinking." But he's not looking to Trump or giving Biden high marks.
"President Joe Biden is a genuinely good man, but he has yet been unable to break through our national malady of denial, deceit, and distrust," he wrote. "A return of Donald Trump would feed the sickness, probably rendering it incurable."
omahacolt
07-05-2022, 04:55 PM
You get more unhinged than some woman on the rag. Supreme court has not done anything remotely questionable, except making the constitution relevant again which drives liberals insane. Dictatorship, you mean like the one the democrats are trying to pull off. They cringe at the sight of the constitution and only speak of it when using it against republicans. Your blind faith is fucking sickening.
I personally don't care if they convict Trump of anything or not, I pointed out what I would be doing if I was a democrat strategist (Oxymoron) I am ok with Desantis. At least he has read the constitution and understands his oath to defend it. For democrats it is just historical toilet paper. Fuck them.
what are you even babbling about? what dictatorship are the democrats trying to pull off? based on what?
republicans in north carolina are trying to make it so state legislatures can pick whoever they want for federal elections. if the supreme court allows that, which is said they probably will, it is game over for democracy.
there is nothing unhinged about what i am saying. i am going off the facts presented.
clearly you can see how the supreme court (republican and with the traitorous thomas at the helm) are taking cases to change previous settled law and protections to fit the republican agenda. i know you can. you just don't care.
republicans cant get it through the legislation so they weaponized the courts. which has been mcconnells plan for years. and im pretty sure he has stated as much over the years. the dots aren't hard to connect.
the goal of the republicans is absolute and uncontested power. the goal of the democrats, apparently, is being as incompetent as possible
omahacolt
07-05-2022, 05:03 PM
let the charges fly, Georgia.
you will be well regarded in the history books
what are you even babbling about?
Dont ask that. Damn 14 paragraphs of i dont know what the fuck. Just clap and give him a participation certificate.
let the charges fly, Georgia.
you will be well regarded in the history books
Somebody grew a pair
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/judge-holds-real-estate-giant-cushman-and-wakefield-in-contempt-over-donald-trump-case/ar-AAZePyu?cvid=a23daffdd1344c9b9356027634c1176c
Judge Holds Real Estate Giant Cushman and Wakefield in Contempt Over Donald Trump Case
On Tuesday afternoon, a clearly irked Justice Arthur F. Engoron signed an order ripping into the real estate behemoth for missing a deadline to turn over documents—after having two months to meet it.
In his order, Engoron said he “is incredulous as to why Cushman & Wakefield would wait until two days after the court-ordered deadline had lapsed to initiate the process of asking for yet another extension.”
He criticized the company, which routinely helped Trump value properties in ways that benefited him directly, for dragging its feet.
“Cushman & Wakefield fails to identify any good cause” for blowing the deadline, he wrote.
The massive, national real estate firm was supposed to deliver documents related to its valuations of all kinds of properties—so that state investigators could compare how the company treated other projects compared to Trump developments.
The office of New York Attorney General Letitia James issued subpoenas between September 2021 and February 2022 that the firm still hadn’t complied with, so the judge ordered the company play ball in April. But the firm fought that in appellate court—and lost.
2022 is shaping up to be a legal nightmare for Trumpworld. Here's a timeline of upcoming court cases and legal obstacles.
2022 is shaping up to be a legal nightmare for Trumpworld. Here's a timeline of upcoming court cases and legal obstacles.
Donald Trump and his allies are facing a flurry of legal challenges this year.
Investigations into his company's finances are ongoing, along with others related to January 6.
Here are the dates to watch out for this year.
Former President Donald Trump has had a number of surprising legal victories ever since he left the White House — though his greatest potential battles are still looming.
In November, Summer Zervos, who had accused Trump of sexual assault following her appearance on "The Apprentice," dropped her lawsuit against him before he was forced to sit for a deposition. At around the same time, a New York state judge dismissed a lawsuit from Michael Cohen seeking to have the Trump Organization reimburse his legal fees for work he did on Trump's behalf.
But greater dangers loom. The Trump Organization is the subject of a sprawling investigation from the Manhattan district attorney's office and the New York attorney general's office into alleged financial misconduct.
In Atlanta, Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is weighing charges over his conduct in the 2020 election. Those investigations are proceeding as the Justice Department comes up on the five-year deadline to prosecute Trump over acts of possible obstruction that former Special Counsel Robert Mueller III scrutinized as part of his investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 election.
Meanwhile, the Biden administration is sending a steady stream of Trump's White House records to the House committee investigating the January 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol. And Trump — along with many of his allies — face federal investigations and lawsuits stemming from the January 6 insurrection. Expect the judges in those cases to set court dates later this year.
While Trump mulls whether to run for president again in 2024, 2022 is shaping up to be a year of legal headaches for the former president and his associates. Here's a timeline of the threats Trumpworld faces.
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Judge Engoron then set a new deadline for Cushman and Wakefield to deliver the goods: June 29. The real estate firm then missed that deadline.
Time is of the essence. State investigators are set to interview former President Donald Trump and two of his children—Don Jr. and Ivanka—in closed-door depositions the week of July 18. And investigators have said they need to review the evidence from Cushman and Wakefield before those interviews.
But on Wednesday at 11:32 p.m., with less than half an hour to go before the midnight deadline, the real estate company’s lawyers filed a document in court asking the judge for a last-minute delay.
On Friday, the A.G.’s office asked the judge to step in and force the company to comply with a subpoena to turn over key evidence.
In his letter, Assistant Attorney General Austin Thompson noted that the real estate company had actually slipped up by seeming to admit that it didn’t do any work at all for several weeks because it had essentially made a stupid bet and lost—holding off on accumulating the mountains of evidence because it thought its appeal would win.
He pointed to this sentence in an affidavit—written on the very last day of the deadline—by the outside company helping Cushman and Wakefield sort through the evidence: “Platinum has been working around the clock for more than a week to accomplish its delegated tasks.”
Thompson pointed out that the real estate firm had eight weeks—not one—to get started.
“This suggests that Cushman waited until [it lost its appeal] to begin the process of compliance in earnest. If Cushman made a strategic decision to assume it would obtain a stay and to not use the eight weeks since the April 26 order to prepare to comply, it is not incumbent upon [the attorney general’s office] or the court to relieve it from the consequences of that decision,” he wrote.
In a statement to The Daily Beast on Tuesday, the company said it “has gone to great expense and effort to identify, collect, review and produce the massive set of documents.” It criticized the attorney general for “misleading the court by belittling our significant efforts to comply with the court’s order.”
Spike
07-05-2022, 07:55 PM
I'm not much of a fan of Mitt Romney, but I will thank him for this statement.
As Biden approached the one-year mark in office last month, Romney said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that the president has had “52 weeks of bad weeks.”
Romney listed inflation, higher gas prices, the southern border, lack of COVID-19 tests available amid the omicron variant surge, the U.S. troop withdrawal in Afghanistan, and Russia threatening Ukraine among the areas in which the Biden administration has dropped the ball.
https://www.deseret.com/utah/2022/2/2/22913085/do-republicans-like-mitt-romney-poll-numbers-joe-biden-donald-trump-hinckley-inistitute-utah
Lov2fish
07-05-2022, 08:50 PM
what are you even babbling about? what dictatorship are the democrats trying to pull off? based on what?
republicans in north carolina are trying to make it so state legislatures can pick whoever they want for federal elections. if the supreme court allows that, which is said they probably will, it is game over for democracy.
there is nothing unhinged about what i am saying. i am going off the facts presented.
clearly you can see how the supreme court (republican and with the traitorous thomas at the helm) are taking cases to change previous settled law and protections to fit the republican agenda. i know you can. you just don't care.
republicans cant get it through the legislation so they weaponized the courts. which has been mcconnells plan for years. and im pretty sure he has stated as much over the years. the dots aren't hard to connect.
the goal of the republicans is absolute and uncontested power. the goal of the democrats, apparently, is being as incompetent as possible
If you would spend 15 fucking seconds looking at what democrats have tried over time instead of those evil republicans you might get slapped in the face with some truth. I know you fucking won't because it would require you acknowledging your party is absolutely fucking insane. I won't do the work for you.
Lov2fish
07-05-2022, 08:51 PM
Dont ask that. Damn 14 paragraphs of i dont know what the fuck. Just clap and give him a participation certificate.
You excited that you found someone to pat you on the ass and agree with your useless drivel?
Racehorse
07-06-2022, 07:27 AM
Find some evidence,
I think that is what was attempted on the days after the election.
Lov2fish
07-06-2022, 09:53 AM
I think that is what was attempted on the days after the election.
Watch 2000 mules. Very interesting. Given the producer is does have a right slant, but if half of it is true there should be a true insurrection.
omahacolt
07-06-2022, 09:58 AM
Watch 2000 mules. Very interesting. Given the producer is does have a right slant, but if half of it is true there should be a true insurrection.
or you could not watch blatant propaganda and actually look at what is going on.
wouldn't trump and fox news be all over the news for the last year showing said evidence?
omahacolt
07-06-2022, 10:07 AM
If you would spend 15 fucking seconds looking at what democrats have tried over time instead of those evil republicans you might get slapped in the face with some truth. I know you fucking won't because it would require you acknowledging your party is absolutely fucking insane. I won't do the work for you.
very typical
project what the republicans are doing onto the democrats.
you made the claim and called me unhinged. if the democrats are actually trying to overthrow the government, like the republicans clearly are, then i would absolutely love to hear about it.
i follow some conservative sites and i haven't seen them complaining about the democrats trying to perform a coup. what i see is
-the election was stolen but never is any evidence presented to back the claim.
-hatred over trans people.
-abortion is wrong
-arguing over trump or desantis
-democrats are after our guns
-gas prices
very typical
project what the republicans are doing onto the democrats.
you made the claim and called me unhinged. if the democrats are actually trying to overthrow the government, like the republicans clearly are, then i would absolutely love to hear about it.
i follow some conservative sites and i haven't seen them complaining about the democrats trying to perform a coup. what i see is
-the election was stolen but never is any evidence presented to back the claim.
-hatred over trans people.
-abortion is wrong
-arguing over trump or desantis
-democrats are after our guns
-gas prices
You are confusing them with facts. Add this, They are also trying to limit the ability of certain groups to vote.
I think that is what was attempted on the days after the election.
And their hasnt been any evidence of voter fraud that would directly change the elections result.
There is a paper trail that the trump traitors created alternative slate of fake electors to over throw the government. An actual case of election fraud by REPUBLICANS.
Watch 2000 mules. Very interesting. Given the producer is does have a right slant, but if half of it is true there should be a true insurrection.
Its total bullshit.
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/17/1098787088/a-pro-trump-film-suggests-its-data-are-so-accurate-it-solved-a-murder-thats-fals
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-usa-mules/fact-check-does-2000-mules-provide-evidence-of-voter-fraud-in-the-2020-u-s-presidential-election-idUSL2N2XJ0OQ
https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/may/04/faulty-premise-2000-mules-trailer-about-voting-mai/
Fox News wouldnt touch it
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-rails-against-fox-news-not-airing-2000-mules-movie-2022-5
Spike
07-06-2022, 12:59 PM
You are confusing them with facts. Add this, They are also trying to limit the ability of certain groups to vote.
What group of people are they trying to limit? As far as I know any law abiding American citizen has the right to vote, hell, even dead people apparently still can vote.
What group of people are they trying to limit? As far as I know any law abiding American citizen has the right to vote, hell, even dead people apparently still can vote.
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2021/03/25/republican-wave-of-voting-restrictions-swells
Shortening hours the polls are open, ID requirements, fewer poll locations, …….. read the article
Spike
07-06-2022, 02:23 PM
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2021/03/25/republican-wave-of-voting-restrictions-swells
Shortening hours the polls are open, ID requirements, fewer poll locations, …….. read the article
Who can't get a fucking ID in America? That's the leftish bullshit they keep trying to spew out. Fucking ridiculous. You SHOULD have an ID to vote, it isn't that hard to get one unless you are dumb as a fence post.
Who can't get a fucking ID in America? That's the leftish bullshit they keep trying to spew out. Fucking ridiculous. You SHOULD have an ID to vote, it isn't that hard to get one unless you are dumb as a fence post.
Read the article,
Cipollone reaches deal to give transcribed interview to January 6 committee Friday
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/06/politics/pat-cipollone-deposition-january-6-committee-this-week/index.html
Trump White House Counsel Pat Cipollone has reached a deal with the January 6 committee to participate in a transcribed interview behind closed doors on Friday, multiple sources told CNN.
Cipollone will be appearing under subpoena. A source familiar with his thinking says Cipollone intended to comply with the subpoena issued on June 29 for a July 6 interview, and it was extended until July 8. The interview will be on video, two of the sources told CNN.
Cipollone, who many former administration officials credit with helping to prevent then-President Donald Trump from taking legally questionable actions in the months around the 2020 presidential election, has long been considered a key witness by the committee. He has resisted talking further with the committee after previously sitting for a closed-door interview on April 13.
The New York Times first reported that Cipollone would testify behind close doors Friday.
A spokesperson for the committee declined to comment.
CNN has previously reported ahead of the interview being set that the topics would limited to specific topics to avoid privilege issues, a lawyer familiar with Cipollone's thinking has told CNN.
The committee said in its subpoena letter that it has obtained evidence that Cipollone is "uniquely positioned to testify," but he had "declined to cooperate" past that interview, leaving the panel with "no choice" but to issue the subpoena. During recent public hearings, members of the panel publicly pressured Cipollone to testify.
Mississippi Democratic Rep. Bennie Thompson, the panel's chairman, and Wyoming Republican Rep. Liz Cheney, the panel's vice chairwoman, said in a statement after issuing the subpoena that "the Select Committee's investigation has revealed evidence that Mr. Cipollone repeatedly raised legal and other concerns about President Trump's activities on January 6 and in the days that preceded."
Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a California Democrat who's also a member of the committee, previously told CNN's Anderson Cooper on "AC360" that the panel was willing to work through privilege issues with Cipollone to facilitate his testimony.
Lofgren said there are "quite a few things that he could tell the committee that would not be subject to privilege."
Hoopsdoc
07-06-2022, 04:50 PM
You are confusing them with facts. Add this, They are also trying to limit the ability of certain groups to vote.
You keep saying stuff like this while also peddling obvious lies in other threads.
And when called on it, you just run away.
Lov2fish
07-06-2022, 06:46 PM
Its total bullshit.
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/17/1098787088/a-pro-trump-film-suggests-its-data-are-so-accurate-it-solved-a-murder-thats-fals
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-usa-mules/fact-check-does-2000-mules-provide-evidence-of-voter-fraud-in-the-2020-u-s-presidential-election-idUSL2N2XJ0OQ
https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/may/04/faulty-premise-2000-mules-trailer-about-voting-mai/
Fox News wouldnt touch it
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-rails-against-fox-news-not-airing-2000-mules-movie-2022-5
I said, it was interesting. I also never said I agreed with it, or it was real, said IF IT WAS. Yet you bombard me links for liberal media outlets I am supposed to take as gospel, cause, you know, you said it was. Get the fuck out of here you retarded idiot.
You keep saying stuff like this while also peddling obvious lies in other threads.
And when called on it, you just run away.
Go read the article
I said, it was interesting. I also never said I agreed with it, or it was real, said IF IT WAS. Yet you bombard me links for liberal media outlets I am supposed to take as gospel, cause, you know, you said it was. Get the fuck out of here you retarded idiot.
Business insider? Really? Try reading it
rcubed
07-06-2022, 07:21 PM
I said, it was interesting. I also never said I agreed with it, or it was real, said IF IT WAS. Yet you bombard me links for liberal media outlets I am supposed to take as gospel, cause, you know, you said it was. Get the fuck out of here you retarded idiot.
But thats how this crap becomes some peoples truth. Someone perpetuates shit they hear or see, even if they know its wrong, and it sinks into dumb people. This is exactly what tucker carlson does. He has an opinion/entertainment show and continuously claims to just “ask questions” knowing full well that the dumb people watching will just take it as truth. My friends and I have a theory, 4 out of 5. That is, 4 out of 5 people are stupid. Trump knows this and exploited it to no end.
You seem intelligent although we dont agree on a lot of things. But if you bring things up like that documentary and throw a random IF statement in, dumb people will latch on and push that narrative further.
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Since you cant click on a link
Voting rights activists worried this year could bring a tsunami of new voting restrictions. It’s arrived.
As of last month, Republican lawmakers in 43 states had introduced more than 250 bills that would make it more difficult to vote, according to the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University Law School, up from about 100 in 28 states two months ago.
But Democrats also are focusing on ballot access during this year’s legislative sessions: They have introduced nearly three times as many bills that would make it easier to vote.
Despite the logistical success of the November presidential election, when most election experts saw few widespread problems, misinformation surrounding the legitimacy of the democratic process has fueled the GOP efforts.
Former President Donald Trump’s lies about voter fraud and a corrupted election system, which culminated in the Jan. 6 pro-Trump riot at the U.S. Capitol, remain salient. Recent polls show that three-quarters of Republican voters believe the election was stolen.
Saying they want to safeguard the integrity of elections and restore voters’ trust, GOP lawmakers are advancing bills that would reduce the number of ballot drop boxes or eliminate them, drastically curtail early voting periods and limit who can vote by mail.
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STATELINE STORY February 5, 2021
Republicans Target Ballot Access After Record Turnout
This legislation could be devastating for voter turnout, especially in communities of color and for voters with disabilities, voting rights advocates warn.
“It’s all sort of geared toward addressing this specter of fraud and the specter of problems that don’t really exist,” said Brad Ashwell, the Florida state director for All Voting is Local, a voting rights nonprofit.
“They’re looking to make the process harder, more costly, and create a lot more voter confusion.”
Florida Republicans have introduced several restrictive voting bills, including one that would ban ballot drop boxes and block mail-in ballot applications that were used in previous elections. The authors of the bills say these measures are essential for improving election security.
Republicans in other states echo those arguments. Arizona state Sen. J.D. Mesnard said he has received “overwhelming” feedback from his constituents about what they perceive as a lack of integrity in the voting process.
“One strategy is you just say, ‘Nothing to see here,’ and dismiss those concerns, and try to make the case they’ve been lied to or deceived," he told Stateline. "That doesn’t fix the problem, true or not. I’ve stayed away from any declarations other than acknowledge there’s this massive number of people that have lost faith in the system.”
‘It Is a Direct Attack’
Arizona Republicans are set to pass a bill that would cull the permanent early voting list of voters who have not participated in four straight elections. Proponents hope this will reduce ballots sent to inactive or deceased voters. Another bill that would add voter ID or affidavit requirements for mail-in ballots passed the state Senate.
“Most of the Republican bills are concerned about limiting the possibility of fraud,” said state Rep. John Kavanagh, a Republican who chairs the Arizona House Government and Elections Committee. “And that’s a legitimate issue.”
But bills like the ones being considered in Arizona could have a disproportionate impact on voters with disabilities, said Jon Meyers, the executive director of The Arc of Arizona, a disability rights group. A bill that would require more forms of ID for voting absentee could hurt people with cognitive or physical disabilities who do not drive or understand differences in acceptable types of credentials. Another bill that would shorten absentee voting periods could also hurt voters with disabilities who need more time to correct signature matching issues.
“It’s tightening this belt around who can and cannot participate in an election,” Meyers said. “They are seeking to disenfranchise people who legitimately have the right to vote, who should not have barriers put in their path. And people with disabilities often get caught in that crossfire.”
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STATELINE STORY November 20, 2020
Election Disinformation Fears Came True for State Officials
For voters of color, many of these Republican-led measures that would cut voting hours or add burdensome steps to casting an absentee ballot feel like an attempt by White lawmakers to retain power in a rapidly diversifying nation.
That feeling resonates for Black activists in Georgia, where Black voters accounted for nearly half of the growth in the state’s voter population between 2000 and 2019, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of census data. (The Pew Charitable Trusts funds the center and Stateline.)
Republican-sponsored bills in Georgia would reduce absentee voting periods, eliminate mobile voting units and increase voter ID requirements for absentee ballots. Another bill would allow poll watchers at tabulation areas.
“They’re giving people this stamp of approval and saying you can challenge as many people as you want,” said Andrea Young, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia, of the poll watchers. “It’s a vestige of Jim Crow.”
In Iowa, Republican lawmakers passed a bill that reduced early voting by nine days to 20 and cut Election Day hours by an hour to 8 p.m. The measure, which Republican Gov. Kim Reynolds signed earlier this month, also criminalizes ballot collection by people outside of a household, immediate family or caregiver.
The League of United Latin American Citizens, a Latino rights group, is now suing the Hawkeye State to repeal the law, which it says would hurt people with multiple jobs. Iowa is also an English-only state, meaning all ballots are solely written in English. Latino advocates worry that their work assisting non-English speakers with their ballot would now be illegal.
“Hopefully in a courtroom, it will be clear that this has nothing to do with voter security,” said Joe Henry, the group’s Iowa political director. “It’s voter restriction. It’s voter suppression. It’s racism. It’s targeting new voters.”
His organization, which during the pandemic has been fighting for the safety of the thousands of workers in Iowa’s meatpacking plants, is going to have to shift a lot of its attention to educating Latino voters about these new law changes, he said.
In a news release, Reynolds said it was her duty to “protect the integrity of every election,” and give Iowans more confidence in their vote.
The Ongoing Fight
Bills that would expand ballot access still vastly outnumber those that would restrict access for voters. According to the Brennan Center, lawmakers in 43 states introduced more than 700 bills that would widen access by allowing absentee voting without a state-approved excuse, adding same-day voter registration and streamlining the ballot-counting process.
The Vermont Senate, for example, passed legislation that would allow the state to mail ballots to all voters in general elections. Meanwhile, the Illinois House passed a bill that would increase the number of ballot drop boxes.
Many of these bills, written mostly by Democratic lawmakers, attempt to build off an election that was more reliant on voting by mail. During the pandemic, voting by mail was seen by election experts as a safe, convenient way to cast a ballot. It’s also a method of voting that does not benefit one party over another, several studies show.
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STATELINE STORY December 3, 2020
Lawmakers Push to Preserve Pandemic Voting Access
It is frustrating that, after such a successful election with record turnout, some states would want to roll back access to the ballot, said Patti Brigham, president of the League of Women Voters of Florida, a voter education nonprofit. It is especially troubling that this “voter suppression” is built off fabrications by Trump and his allies in the aftermath of an unsuccessful election, she said.
“Unfortunately, that kind of rhetoric has consequences, and those consequences are that many voters believed it,” said Brigham. “This is obviously opportunistic to continue to play to those who believe there was massive voter fraud in 2020, which we know was completely untrue.”
Many Republicans still hold onto that belief and want to add what they see as commonsense protections to the election system. To some conservatives, these measures also are important to bring consistency to election procedures that varied during the pandemic, when local election officials tried to find ways to expand voting by mail without definitive state guidance.
In Texas, Republicans are seeking to ban counties from sending mail-in ballot applications to all voters and to limit drive-thru voting. Other legislation would require that voters with disabilities provide documented proof of their disability before being allowed to vote absentee. Another bill would mandate that rural areas in the state have the same number of voting machines as urban areas despite the lower population in rural areas, which tend to lean Republican.
Many of these bills seem to target Harris County, which includes Houston. Before the 2020 presidential election, officials in the Houston area attempted to send mail-in ballot applications to all voters. They were stopped by the Texas Supreme Court in October. Election officials there also offered drive-thru voting, which accounted for 127,000 votes in November.
“Lawmakers see there are things to tighten up,” said Chuck DeVore, vice president of national initiatives at the Texas Public Policy Foundation, a conservative organization. “You can see some of the concern that is raised when the floodgates are opened to these novel forms of voting, but don’t have the protections for voter secrecy or intimidation.”
Anthony Gutierrez, the executive director of Common Cause Texas, a voting rights organization, is not surprised by the legislation in the Lone Star State, but he is alarmed.
“They’re at the forefront of finding new and innovative ways to suppress the vote,” he said of Texas Republicans. “These are blatant attempts to keep people from voting.”
Republicans’ efforts to dramatically restrict ballot access in Georgia have gotten the attention of the state’s business community.
In an unusual step, the Georgia Chamber of Commerce, along with large, Georgia-based companies such as Aflac Inc., The Coca-Cola Co., Delta Air Lines Inc., Home Depot Inc. and UPS Inc., this month expressed vague support for increased ballot access. However, most of the statements also cited the need for “election integrity,” echoing Republican arguments in favor of new restrictions.
Voting rights activists are demanding a clearer stand from Georgia’s business community. Earlier this month, activists staged a “die-in” at the World of Coca-Cola museum in Atlanta to call on the beverage behemoth to oppose the new restrictions.
“Georgia thinks of itself as a place that is good for business,” said Nicole Henderson, the communications director for the New Georgia Project, a grassroots voting rights organization that opposes the restrictive bills. “Democracy is good for business.”
omahacolt
07-06-2022, 09:05 PM
Who can't get a fucking ID in America? That's the leftish bullshit they keep trying to spew out. Fucking ridiculous. You SHOULD have an ID to vote, it isn't that hard to get one unless you are dumb as a fence post.
i don't necessarily disagree but how would you distribute those ID's?
omahacolt
07-06-2022, 09:07 PM
Watch 2000 mules. Very interesting. Given the producer is does have a right slant, but if half of it is true there should be a true insurrection.
2000 mules has no evidence of anything.
even trumps own AG laughed at it.
omahacolt
07-06-2022, 09:10 PM
Lindsey Graham and Guiliani won't obey the subpeona.
what are they afraid of?
innocent people wouldn't do that. yet crickets
Lov2fish
07-06-2022, 09:12 PM
2000 mules has no evidence of anything.
even trumps own AG laughed at it.
Everybody laughs at Trump, well, anyone smart enough to know what really happens in DC. Its all smoke and mirrors.
Lov2fish
07-06-2022, 09:12 PM
But thats how this crap becomes some peoples truth. Someone perpetuates shit they hear or see, even if they know its wrong, and it sinks into dumb people. This is exactly what tucker carlson does. He has an opinion/entertainment show and continuously claims to just “ask questions” knowing full well that the dumb people watching will just take it as truth. My friends and I have a theory, 4 out of 5. That is, 4 out of 5 people are stupid. Trump knows this and exploited it to no end.
You seem intelligent although we dont agree on a lot of things. But if you bring things up like that documentary and throw a random IF statement in, dumb people will latch on and push that narrative further.
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More than a fair enough assessment. Point taken.
Who can't get a fucking ID in America? That's the leftish bullshit they keep trying to spew out. Fucking ridiculous. You SHOULD have an ID to vote, it isn't that hard to get one unless you are dumb as a fence post.
My Mom couldnt. She was 87, in a nursing home and no longer drove a car. Her license expired, and S.Dakota law required an ID. My sister took a day out of work so she could get Mom a state ID. Not everyone has that kind of help or time. Many in nursing home or long term care have trouble getting help. There are many city dwellers who dont have drivers license, they dont own a car. Many poor people have difficulty getting to polling stations that are located across town, or have shortened hours. Not many businesses will give time off work for voting.
They are making it harder to use absentee ballots. Why? I had to vote in my first two federal elections by absentee ballots. I voted during covid by absentee. I works and there were limited problems with the latest federal election.
When the machines of government are set against the people they should help, its a problem.
Racehorse
07-07-2022, 08:58 AM
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2021/03/25/republican-wave-of-voting-restrictions-swells
Shortening hours the polls are open, ID requirements, fewer poll locations, …….. read the article
You said "groups" Seems those would affect every group.
Spike
07-07-2022, 11:32 AM
i don't necessarily disagree but how would you distribute those ID's?
For the vast majority of people, get an ID like everyone else does. I really have no answers for bedridden individuals, although some states have provisions for it. All states should have this in place.
For the vast majority of people, get an ID like everyone else does. I really have no answers for bedridden individuals, although some states have provisions for it. All states should have this in place.
Republicans in Georgia passed this law to prevent Dems handing out food and/or water to people waiting in line to vote.
https://www.fox61.com/article/news/verify/yes-its-illegal-to-give-water-food-to-georgia-voters-in-line-for-polls/507-88b0a0d2-0230-429e-becc-30d37565bcc9
And thats not in Buckhead neighborhood. They put fewer machines and poll workers in poor neighborhoods so there are long waits. Only republicans would make it a crime to give people food and water while they wait.
Note the link, its from fox affiliate station
2000 mules has no evidence of anything.
even trumps own AG laughed at it.
Stop using facts, thats just crazy.
Too much sarcasm ?
Lov2fish
07-07-2022, 09:54 PM
Stop using facts, thats just crazy.
Too much sarcasm ?
He replied on a message board. Yea, facts. Liberals are so fucking easy to manipulate. Doesn't change you're an idiot
He replied on a message board. Yea, facts. Liberals are so fucking easy to manipulate. Doesn't change you're an idiot
From the guy defending trump. If anyone got manipulated it would be the republican party. Hey, Boris Johnson has some free time, maybe you guys can get him to lead the TeaParty and fleece whats left of the trumpites.
omahacolt
07-08-2022, 06:01 PM
For the vast majority of people, get an ID like everyone else does. I really have no answers for bedridden individuals, although some states have provisions for it. All states should have this in place.
i don't necessarily have a problem with voter id.
but i do know getting an ID in North Carolina was a fucking chore. they just don't have enough dmv's to handle the work load. you had to plan on being there all day.
getting people a voting id needs to be easier imo
omahacolt
07-08-2022, 06:03 PM
Republicans in Georgia passed this law to prevent Dems handing out food and/or water to people waiting in line to vote.
https://www.fox61.com/article/news/verify/yes-its-illegal-to-give-water-food-to-georgia-voters-in-line-for-polls/507-88b0a0d2-0230-429e-becc-30d37565bcc9
And thats not in Buckhead neighborhood. They put fewer machines and poll workers in poor neighborhoods so there are long waits. Only republicans would make it a crime to give people food and water while they wait.
Note the link, its from fox affiliate station
yeah that is nuts
like who the fuck would support that? fucking animals
does anyone debate anymore that there is a legitimate effort to keep minorities and poor people from voting?
omahacolt
07-08-2022, 06:07 PM
He replied on a message board. Yea, facts. Liberals are so fucking easy to manipulate. Doesn't change you're an idiot
i appreciate the banter back and forth with you guys. i really wish we had better people to complain about. i can't think of any politician that i would want to vote for for anything.
For the vast majority of people, get an ID like everyone else does. I really have no answers for bedridden individuals, although some states have provisions for it. All states should have this in place.
I agree. Most who dont are states with Republicans in the majority
Racehorse
07-09-2022, 09:20 AM
If you all would just give up on the Rs and the Ds and vote libertarian, all would be better.
rcubed
07-09-2022, 03:02 PM
If you all would just give up on the Rs and the Ds and vote libertarian, all would be better.
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i don't necessarily have a problem with voter id.
but i do know getting an ID in North Carolina was a fucking chore. they just don't have enough dmv's to handle the work load. you had to plan on being there all day.
getting people a voting id needs to be easier imo
1. Hire more help, and make it mobile.
2. Have branches where the people are.
a. High schools. When they turn 18, if the family doesnt have a car, this would help.
b. Senior centers
c. Church groups
d. Community centers.
e. County fairs.
Im sure there would be other locations, its early this morning
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/jan-6-panel-ex-white-house-lawyer-spoke-trumps-supreme-dereliction-dut-rcna37479
Jan. 6 panel: Ex-White House lawyer spoke of 'Trump’s supreme dereliction of duty'
The statement came amid reports that former Trump White House lawyer Pat Cipollone had invoked executive privilege for some questions Friday.
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Pat Cipollone waits for the beginning of a Cabinet meeting in the East Room of the White House on May 19, 2020.Alex Wong / Getty Images file
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By Dennis Romero
The House Jan. 6 committee Saturday issued a statement describing the input of an ex-White House lawyer as "reinforcing" alleged misconduct by former President Donald Trump.
The idea that the former Trump White House counsel Pat Cipollone might have confirmed others witnesses' damning accounts in his much-anticipated private interview Friday was initially tempered by the possibility that he may have invoked executive privilege, a legal concept intended to allow presidents to speak freely with legal advisers.
Responding to multiple reports that Cipollone had invoked that privilege during his daylong testimony under subpoena, a committee spokesman suggested a different storyline.
"In our interview with Mr. Cipollone, the Committee received critical testimony on nearly every major topic in its investigation, reinforcing key points regarding Donald Trump’s misconduct and providing highly relevant new information that will play a central role in its upcoming hearings," the statement from House Select Committee spokesman Tim Mulvey read.
It continued: "This includes information demonstrating Donald Trump’s supreme dereliction of duty."
Trump and his representatives did not immediately respond to a request for comment late Saturday.
Mulvey did not confirm or deny the reports on privilege, but said Cipollone was never guided by the panel to avoid potentially privileged information.
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In fact, the statement suggests that in Cipollone, the committee got another voice to back up some of the vivid testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson, assistant to former Trump Chief of Staff Mark
'Closing argument': Jan. 6 panel makes final hearings push
She testified that on Jan. 6, 2021, Trump was filled with rage and ordered his Secret Service detail to take him to the Capitol so he could join supporters who would eventually enter the complex and attack police while trying to reach lawmakers and Vice President Mike Pence, all participating in certifying Trump's loss.
She said Secret Service agents in a presidential SUV with Trump refused to take him, and the president lunged for the steering wheel from behind the front seats and then tried to grab the throat of one agent, claims Trump has denied.
She also testified that Trump showed no sympathy for Pence as the rioters were getting potentially life-threateningly close to the vice president and Trump allegedly had the time and the power to call them off. The former president has denied this as well.
On Saturday Mulvey said in the committee's statement that Cipollone "corroborated key elements of Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony."
Lov2fish
07-10-2022, 12:29 PM
When are you going to start posting the negative shit Biden does/done? You seem hellbent on dragging one tard through the mud while seemingly giving the other tard a pass.
omahacolt
07-10-2022, 12:32 PM
When are you going to start posting the negative shit Biden does/done? You seem hellbent on dragging one tard through the mud while seemingly giving the other tard a pass.
i would love to hear some terrible things biden did
Just for you fish
https://www.pastemagazine.com/politics/joe-biden/the-10-worst-things-joe-biden-has-done-in-his-poli/
There you go.
There is no evidence that he tried to overturn a legal election by force.
I did post this earlier
http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=145847
Colts And Orioles
07-10-2022, 02:08 PM
Just for you fish ......
https://www.pastemagazine.com/politics/joe-biden/the-10-worst-things-joe-biden-has-done-in-his-poli/
There you go.
There is no evidence that he tried to overturn a legal election by force.
I did post this earlier ......
http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=145847
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Good article. Thanks.
Anybody who supports gutting welfare ought to wake up in the body of a single mother with little kids who was abandoned by her deadbeat, scumbag husband......just once, I would love for that fantasy of mine to come true so that I could see the look on the face of a person who went to bed one night as a well-fed white guy, and then woke up the next morning in that woman's shoes.
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Good article. Thanks.
Anybody who supports gutting welfare ought to wake up in the body of a single mother with little kids who was abandoned by her deadbeat, scumbag husband......just once, I would love for that fantasy of mine to come true so that I could see the look on the face of a person who went to bed one night as a well-fed white guy, and then woke up the next morning in that woman's shoes.
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Well said
Bannon makes last-minute offer to testify to Jan. 6 committee ahead of criminal contempt trial
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/10/bannon-jan-6-testimony-00044952
Longtime Donald Trump ally Steve Bannon has made a last-minute offer to testify to the Jan. 6 select committee, just days before his criminal trial for defying the panel’s subpoena is set to begin.
The offer, in a letter from Bannon’s attorney Robert Costello, cited an accompanying letter from Trump himself purporting to “waive” executive privilege over Bannon’s testimony — a privilege that the committee and Justice Department say was never properly invoked and might not be applicable to a former president.
It’s unclear whether the panel considers the offer a serious one. Bannon has for months refused to testify to the committee by claiming absolute “immunity” from congressional subpoenas because of his role in the Trump White House, which ended in 2017. That immunity, he argued, stemmed from longstanding internal Justice Department opinions that prohibit Congress from compelling the testimony of current or former high-level officials. Offering to testify suggests he may be abandoning the immunity claim.
Costello said in the email that Bannon still considered the subpoena invalid but was deferring to Trump’s wish that Bannon testify.
Costello’s letter made no mention of the committee’s subpoena for Bannon’s documents. But Costello said in an email to POLITICO that Bannon also intended to provide documents subpoenaed by the committee as part of any arrangement.
The Justice Department charged Bannon with two counts of criminal contempt in November for his defiance of the select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the Capitol. One count concerns his refusal to testify, and the other is for his refusal to provide documents. It’s not clear whether belated compliance would affect either of the counts against him.
Bannon’s offer arrived less than 10 days before his contempt trial was slated to begin, on July 18. And he’s due in court Monday for a crucial hearing before U.S. District Court Judge Carl Nichols, who is weighing Bannon’s attempt to delay his trial until October. Nichols is also considering motions from Bannon that pertain to the Justice Department internal opinions and whether Costello — who advised Bannon not to comply with the select committee last year — can be a witness in his defense.
The offer is another last-minute wrinkle for the select committee from a high-level witness. Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes, who is facing a seditious conspiracy charge for his role in assembling the group in Washington on Jan. 6, said Friday he would waive his Fifth Amendment rights and testify if the committee allowed him to do it publicly.
Costello, too, said Bannon would prefer to testify publicly, but that appears to be a nonstarter.
Select committee member Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union” that the committee received the letter from Costello “around midnight” but hadn’t yet had the chance to discuss it.
“I expect that we will be hearing from him,” she said. “And there are many questions that we have for him.”
Another panel member, Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.), said on CBS’ “Face the Nation” that investigators would be open to hearing from Bannon but that he wouldn’t be treated differently from any other witness.
“The way that we have treated every single witness is the same, that they come in, they talk to the committee there,” he said. “If they’re going to take a deposition, they’re sworn under oath. It’s videotaped. It’s recorded, and then we take it from there,”
A committee spokesperson did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Bannon’s offer.
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/yosemite-washburn-fire-sequoia-tree/index.html
(CNN) — A growing wildfire in California's Yosemite National Park is "within a couple of miles" of the famed Mariposa Grove of giant sequoia trees, a park official says.
Scott Gediman, the park's chief spokesperson, told CNN on Sunday that flames from the 1,591-acre Washburn Fire were "very close, they are right around (the grove)."
Evacuation orders issued as fire threatens Yosemite's Mariposa Grove, home to more than 500 giant sequoia trees
Mariposa Grove is home to more than 500 giant sequoia trees, which can grow to more than 250 feet tall. The grove was founded in 1857 but the trees existed long before that, with some believed to be more than 2,000 years old.
Gediman also noted the fire about a mile or two from the park's oldest hotel, the Wawona Hotel, which was established in 1856, according to its website. Park officials have urged people in the Wawona campground and community to evacuate.
The Washburn Fire began July 7 and doubled in size from Saturday to Sunday, burning near the lower portion of the grove, park officials said earlier. A total of 360 fire personnel are working to contain the fire from the ground and air.
"Fire is naturally part of the ecosystem, but it's these high-intensity fires that are causing the damage that happened, for example, in the Creek Fire and sthe TCF complex last year in Sequoia National Park," Gediman said.
Gediman said it is "steep, heavily forested terrain" and they are relying on air and ground support to protect the park. "Air support is certainly helpful, but we've got a lot of hotshot crews and firefighters on the ground that are going in to suppress the fire. So it's really a ground and air attack, coordinated, that is going to get us to the suppression that we aiming toward as soon as we can."
Fire crews had success at the heel of the fire, at its origin point near the Mariposa Grove area, Matt Ahearn, the operations section chief with California Interagency Incident Management Team 13, said earlier Sunday.
"Top end of the Mariposa Grove, fire has backed into the grove a bit," Ahearn said. "We do have crews up on these edges, they've worked handline out of the bottom, direct handline all the way up and around. ... We need to now reinforce with hose lays."
Ahearn said that hotshot crews were on their way to the area and the fire's acreage was expected to be updated later Sunday after aerial intelligence was completed.
In a statement posted to InciWeb -- a site for coordinating fire response -- officials said the fire was burning in difficult terrain "with continuous heavy fuels in and around the fire."
"Significant tree mortality from 2013-2015 has left significant dead standing and dead fallen fuels. This also presents significant safety hazards to firefighters," the statement said.
Weather is forecast to get hotter through the week. However, fire scars from past fires about 1 to 3 miles from the Washburn Fire perimeter will help in slowing it, officials said.
Firefighters have put a sprinkler system around the Grizzly Giant, a famed Sequoia in Mariposa Grove, to protect it from the flames and park officials have said the grove will remain closed until further notice.
Yosemite is one of the most visited national parks in the US, drawing more than 3.3 million people in 2021. It encompasses nearly 1,200 square miles in the Sierra Nevada range in eastern California.
Meanwhile, California crews are also battling the Electra Fire, which has scorched more than 4,400 acres across Amador and Calaveras counties, also in the Sierra Nevada, according to Cal Fire.
How the climate crisis is forever changing our national parks
The blaze prompted the state's first night-water-drop operation via helicopter Wednesday, when about 12,000 gallons of water were dumped on the flames, Cal Fire Battalion Chief Isaac Sanchez told CNN.
"The helicopter was brought in to assist in the cooling and containment of a firing operation which had taken place earlier in the afternoon," Sanchez said. "While assigned to this operation, the helicopter identified additional areas where the fire had crept over the containment lines and was able to aid in their full extinguishment and containment."
The western US has been ravaged by wildfires in recent years, exacerbated by drought conditions tied to climate change. In California alone, more than 2.5 million acres were destroyed in nearly 9,000 fires last year, according to Cal Fire.
Last month, officials in Southern California said they were bracing for another challenging summer and fall amid a shortage of firefighting crews and increased workloads.
The threat is not limited to California. Robert Garcia, the US Forest Service's fire chief for the Angeles National Forest, said the summer months are off to a "concerning start." Firefighting resources have been mobilizing since March to Arizona and New Mexico, where the Black Fire just became the state's second-largest blaze in history.
"Southern California typically has a fire season of historically late June and then into the fall," Garcia told CNN last month. "But we're seeing activity now year-round."
Just heart breaking.
Lov2fish
07-11-2022, 01:52 PM
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Good article. Thanks.
Anybody who supports gutting welfare ought to wake up in the body of a single mother with little kids who was abandoned by her deadbeat, scumbag husband......just once, I would love for that fantasy of mine to come true so that I could see the look on the face of a person who went to bed one night as a well-fed white guy, and then woke up the next morning in that woman's shoes.
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For the record, I am in favor of a safety net for the truly downtrodden in society. I am not for continued support of those who use the system as a career, and it happens. To receive those benefits should be a requirement to attend some kind of job skills classes to learn a trade. No indefinite free rides. I am perfectly fine with funding that type of program.
Colts And Orioles
07-11-2022, 03:18 PM
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Good article. Thanks.
Anybody who supports gutting welfare ought to wake up in the body of a single mother with little kids who was abandoned by her deadbeat, scumbag husband......just once, I would love for that fantasy of mine to come true so that I could see the look on the face of a person who went to bed one night as a well-fed white guy, and then woke up the next morning in that woman's shoes.
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Well said.
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Thanks.
There is a really good episode of Tales from the Darkside called, Payment Overdue.
It is about callous female collection agent who constantly harasses an immigrant woman named Rita Valdez. Valdez also has migraine headaches, 2 kids to support, and speaks limited English. When somebody asked the collection what she would do if she were in that woman's shoes, she replied, "I would not feel sorry for myself, like this woman does. I would learn the English language, and I would do everything that I could to better myself."
Well, she had just that opportunity to do so, as she woke up the next morning with migraine headaches, a strong Spanish accent, a limited comprehension of the English language, several kids to take care of, and overdue bills. :eek:
It was one of the best episodes of that series ever, and I would love it if it were required watching for high school students throughout the country.
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Racehorse
07-11-2022, 05:55 PM
For the record, I am in favor of a safety net for the truly downtrodden in society. I am not for continued support of those who use the system as a career, and it happens. To receive those benefits should be a requirement to attend some kind of job skills classes to learn a trade. No indefinite free rides. I am perfectly fine with funding that type of program.
I agree for the most part. However, I have learned that a lot of people on assistance are not even close to employable. We need to fix substance abuse and have some sort of hep for mental illness.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/10/politics/steve-bannon-trump-january-6-executive-privilege/index.html
Steve Bannon says he's willing to testify
. pt charges -- told the House select committee investigating the January 6, 2021, insurrection on Saturday that he is now willing to testify, ideally at a public hearing, according to a letter obtained by CNN.
Bannon's reversal comes after he received a letter from former President Donald Trump waiving executive privilege, although both the House select committee and federal prosecutors contend that privilege claim never gave Bannon carte blanche to ignore a congressional subpoena in the first place.
"When you first received the Subpoena to testify and provide documents, I invoked Executive Privilege. However, I watched how unfairly you and others have been treated, having to spend vast amounts of money on legal fees, and all of the trauma you must be going through for the love of your Country, and out of respect for the Office of the President," Trump wrote in a Saturday letter to Bannon, which was also obtained by CNN.
Bannon and DOJ don't want to talk politics or January 6 specifics at contempt trial
Bannon and DOJ don't want to talk politics or January 6 specifics at contempt trial
"Therefore, if you reach an agreement on a time and place for your testimony, I will waive Executive Privilege for you, which allows you to go in and testify truthfully and fairly" Trump added, as he went on to decry the committee of "Thugs and Hacks."
The letters were first reported by The Guardian.
Bannon was charged last year with two counts of criminal contempt of Congress. He has argued that he was free to ignore his congressional subpoena in order to protect Trump's potential privilege claims. But federal prosecutors and other legal experts have argued that privilege does not apply to Bannon -- who left his White House gig as chief strategist years before the Capitol riot -- and did not give him the authority to refuse to provide any documents or testimony to the committee.
Bannon's team provided Trump's new letter to the January 6 committee overnight, along with a letter from Bannon lawyer Bob Costello.
"While Mr. Bannon has been steadfast in his convictions, circumstances have now changed," Costello wrote. "Mr. Bannon is willing to, and indeed prefers, to testify at your public hearing."
Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a California Democrat who sits on the January 6 panel, told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union" on Sunday that the committee hasn't yet had a chance to discuss Bannon's letter, but that "I expect that we will be hearing from him and there are many questions that we have for him."
Lofgren, however, said that public testimony from Bannon was unlikely, noting that the committee typically does depositions. "This goes on for hour after hour after hour. We want to get all our questions answered, and you can't do that in a live format," she said.
The January 6 committee was interested in speaking to Bannon about his communications with Trump in December 2020, when Bannon reportedly urged him to focus on the January 6 certification of the presidential election results. Committee members were also interested in Bannon's comments in the run-up to the Capitol insurrection, including a podcast on January 5, in which he predicted, "All hell is going to break loose tomorrow."
In a Monday court filing, federal prosecutors called Bannon's willingness to now testify before the House select committee a "last-minute" effort that doesn't change the case against him, pointing out that he has not produced subpoenaed records.
"The Defendant's last-minute efforts to testify almost nine months after his default — he has still made no effort to produce records — are irrelevant to whether he willfully refused to comply in October 2021 with the Select Committee's subpoena," prosecutors wrote.
Bannon is currently set to go to trial on July 18.
"The criminal contempt statute is not intended to procure compliance; it is intended to punish past noncompliance," prosecutors wrote in their filing.
A spokesperson for the committee did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
This story has been updated with additional developments and reaction.
By the way, the executive privilege is nonsense. Bannon wasnt working for Trump at the time in question, so Bannon will sing
Racehorse
07-12-2022, 10:35 AM
More money to be made off a book deal if he turns on Trump.
More money to be made off a book deal if he turns on Trump.
A trump appointed judge told him he has no defense for the contempt charge, so he is in a tight spot. He had better have a bunch of evidence to turn over, there wont be a second pardon.
Racehorse
07-12-2022, 02:29 PM
A trump appointed judge told him he has no defense for the contempt charge, so he is in a tight spot. He had better have a bunch of evidence to turn over, there wont be a second pardon.
Does not change what I said in the least.
Does not change what I said in the least.
I didnt think it would.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/?id=86598399
Trump tried to call Jan. 6 committee witness, Cheney says
Vice Chair Liz Cheney said, in closing the hearing, that Trump himself tried to call a witness who she said has not yet publicly testified.
"After our last hearing, President Trump tried to call a witness in our investigation -- a witness you have not yet seen in these hearings," she said.
Cheney said the witness did not answer the call.
PHOTO: Rep. Liz Cheney speaks during a House select committee hearing investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, July 12, 2022.
"Their lawyer alerted us, and this committee has supplied that information to the Department of Justice," she said.
"Let me say one more time, we will take any effort to influence witness testimony very seriously," she added, as the committee continually warns against witness tampering in its ongoing investigation.
18 U.S. Code § 1512 - Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant
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(1) Whoever kills or attempts to kill another person, with intent to—
(A) prevent the attendance or testimony of any person in an official proceeding;
(B) prevent the production of a record, document, or other object, in an official proceeding; or
(C) prevent the communication by any person to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States of information relating to the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation, parole, or release pending judicial proceedings;
shall be punished as provided in paragraph (3).
(2) Whoever uses physical force or the threat of physical force against any person, or attempts to do so, with intent to—
(A) influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding;
(B) cause or induce any person to—
(i) withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official proceeding;
(ii) alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal an object with intent to impair the integrity or availability of the object for use in an official proceeding;
(iii) evade legal process summoning that person to appear as a witness, or to produce a record, document, or other object, in an official proceeding; or
(iv) be absent from an official proceeding to which that person has been summoned by legal process; or
(C) hinder, delay, or prevent the communication to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States of information relating to the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation, supervised release, parole, or release pending judicial proceedings;
shall be punished as provided in paragraph (3).
(3) The punishment for an offense under this subsection is—
(A) in the case of a killing, the punishment provided in sections 1111 and 1112;
(B) in the case of—
(i) an attempt to murder; or
(ii) the use or attempted use of physical force against any person;
imprisonment for not more than 30 years; and
(C) in the case of the threat of use of physical force against any person, imprisonment for not more than 20 years.
(b) Whoever knowingly uses intimidation, threatens, or corruptly persuades another person, or attempts to do so, or engages in misleading conduct toward another person, with intent to—
(1) influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding;
(2) cause or induce any person to—
(A) withhold testimony, or withhold a record, document, or other object, from an official proceeding;
(B) alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal an object with intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding;
(C) evade legal process summoning that person to appear as a witness, or to produce a record, document, or other object, in an official proceeding; or
(D) be absent from an official proceeding to which such person has been summoned by legal process; or
(3) hinder, delay, or prevent the communication to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States of information relating to the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation [1] supervised release,,[1] parole, or release pending judicial proceedings;
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
(c) Whoever corruptly—
(1) alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or other object, or attempts to do so, with the intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding; or
(2) otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
(d) Whoever intentionally harasses another person and thereby hinders, delays, prevents, or dissuades any person from—
(1) attending or testifying in an official proceeding;
(2) reporting to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense or a violation of conditions of probation 1 supervised release,,1 parole, or release pending judicial proceedings;
(3) arresting or seeking the arrest of another person in connection with a Federal offense; or
(4) causing a criminal prosecution, or a parole or probation revocation proceeding, to be sought or instituted, or assisting in such prosecution or proceeding;
or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 3 years, or both.
(e) In a prosecution for an offense under this section, it is an affirmative defense, as to which the defendant has the burden of proof by a preponderance of the evidence, that the conduct consisted solely of lawful conduct and that the defendant’s sole intention was to encourage, induce, or cause the other person to testify truthfully.
(f) For the purposes of this section—
(1) an official proceeding need not be pending or about to be instituted at the time of the offense; and
(2) the testimony, or the record, document, or other object need not be admissible in evidence or free of a claim of privilege.
(g) In a prosecution for an offense under this section, no state of mind need be proved with respect to the circumstance—
(1) that the official proceeding before a judge, court, magistrate judge, grand jury, or government agency is before a judge or court of the United States, a United States magistrate judge, a bankruptcy judge, a Federal grand jury, or a Federal Government agency; or
(2) that the judge is a judge of the United States or that the law enforcement officer is an officer or employee of the Federal Government or a person authorized to act for or on behalf of the Federal Government or serving the Federal Government as an adviser or consultant.
(h) There is extraterritorial Federal jurisdiction over an offense under this section.
(i) A prosecution under this section or section 1503 may be brought in the district in which the official proceeding (whether or not pending or about to be instituted) was intended to be affected or in the district in which the conduct constituting the alleged offense occurred.
(j) If the offense under this section occurs in connection with a trial of a criminal case, the maximum term of imprisonment which may be imposed for the offense shall be the higher of that otherwise provided by law or the maximum term that could have been imposed for any offense charged in such case.
(k) Whoever conspires to commit any offense under this section shall be subject to the same penalties as those prescribed for the offense the commission of which was the object of the conspiracy.
omahacolt
07-13-2022, 07:27 PM
I agree for the most part. However, I have learned that a lot of people on assistance are not even close to employable. We need to fix substance abuse and have some sort of hep for mental illness.
there used to be more help for mental illness from what i heard. was shit canned under reagan.
i haven't looked that up but it tracks
omahacolt
07-13-2022, 07:30 PM
More money to be made off a book deal if he turns on Trump.
so if he turns on trump, what he says didn't really happen because of a book deal?
Lov2fish
07-13-2022, 08:14 PM
there used to be more help for mental illness from what i heard. was shit canned under reagan.
i haven't looked that up but it tracks
Reagan completely dismantled the mental health industry in America. It literally turned crazy people loose in the streets with nowhere to go, and no further help. I am old enough to have seen our government commit atrocities against its own people with reckless abandon.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3558552-jan-6-witness-that-trump-allegedly-dialed-was-white-house-support-staffer-reports/
Jan. 6 witness that Trump allegedly dialed was White House support staffer: reports
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The hearing room of the House Jan. 6 committee is seen on Tuesday, June 21, 2022 before a hearing focusing on the ties between former President Trump and far-right extremist groups.
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The hearing room of the House Jan. 6 committee is seen on Tuesday, June 21, 2022 before a hearing focusing on the ties between former President Trump and far-right extremist groups.
The Jan. 6 House committee witness who President Trump allegedly tried to call after a recent hearing was a member of the White House support staff, CNN and NBC reported Wednesday night.
Citing two sources familiar with the matter, CNN reported that Trump made the call after the committee heard public testimony by Cassidy Hutchinson, a top aide to Trump White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, late last month.
The witness was in a position to corroborate part of Hutchinson’s testimony, the outlet reported.
NBC confirmed that the recipient of the alleged call was a support staffer, and had also been talking to the Jan. 6 committee.
Hutchinson testified that Trump knew many in the crowd at his rally on the Ellipse on Jan. 6 were armed.
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She also testified that following the rally, Trump lunged at the steering wheel of his Secret Service vehicle and an agent in an attempt to join his supporters at the Capitol.
Secret Service agents are reportedly prepared to refute that part of Hutchinson’s testimony.
At the end of its most recent hearing, Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.), the panel’s vice chair, said Trump had placed a call to an undisclosed witness who has not appeared publicly at the hearings.
“That person declined to answer or respond to President Trump’s call and instead alerted their lawyer to the call. Their lawyer alerted us, and this committee has supplied that information to the Department of Justice,” Cheney said.
“We will take any effort to influence witness testimony very seriously,” she added.
Republican Sen. Mitt Romney (Utah) called the allegation “very serious” on Wednesday, and dismissed speculation Trump accidentally pocket-dialed the witness.
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The Hill has reached out to Trump’s office and the Jan. 6 committee for comment.
Cheney’s revelation at Tuesday’s hearing isn’t the first allegation of a pressure campaign by Trump and his allies against committee witnesses. The panel alleged at a hearing last month that at least one witness received text messages from Trump allies in advance of their testimony.
“[A person] let me know you have your deposition tomorrow. He wants me to let you know that he’s thinking about you. He knows you’re loyal, and you’re going to do the
Colts And Orioles
07-14-2022, 08:36 AM
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Thanks.
There is a really good episode of Tales from the Darkside called, Payment Overdue.
It is about callous female collection agent who constantly harasses an immigrant woman named Rita Valdez. Valdez also has migraine headaches, 2 kids to support, and speaks limited English. When somebody asked the collection what she would do if she were in that woman's shoes, she replied, "I would not feel sorry for myself, like this woman does. I would learn the English language, and I would do everything that I could to better myself."
Well, she had just that opportunity to do so, as she woke up the next morning with migraine headaches, a strong Spanish accent, a limited comprehension of the English language, several kids to take care of, and overdue bills. :eek:
It was one of the best episodes of that series ever, and I would love it if it were required watching for high school students throughout the country.
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Here is that particular episode ......
https://archive.org/details/PDTV0156/Tales+from+the+Darkside+-+S04E10+-+Payment+Overdue.mp4
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/14/politics/conservatives-report-trump-2020-election-claims/index.html
A group of conservatives, including prominent lawyers and retired federal judges, issued a 72-page report on Thursday categorically rebutting each of the claims made in court by former President Donald Trump and his supporters over the 2020 election results.
The report, "LOST, NOT STOLEN: The Conservative Case that Trump Lost and Biden Won the 2020 Presidential Election," looked at more than 60 court cases Trump and his supporters filed and lost in six key battleground states. It reached the "unequivocal" conclusion that the former Republican president's claims were unsupportable -- which Trump's own Department of Homeland Security as well as election officials nationwide debunked days after the 2020 election.
The report was released as the House select committee investigating the January 6, 2021, insurrection at the US Capitol has been holding public hearings that have connected Trump's involvement in efforts to overturn the 2020 election to the attack that disrupted Congress from certifying Joe Biden's victory. Trump is considering an early 2024 presidential run announcement, CNN has previously reported.
"There is absolutely no evidence of fraud in the 2020 Presidential Election on the magnitude necessary to shift the result in any state, let alone the nation as a whole. In fact, there was no fraud that changed the outcome in even a single precinct," the report says.
The report is signed by retired federal appeals court judges Thomas B. Griffith, J. Michael Luttig and Michael W. McConnell, former Solicitor General Theodore B. Olson, former US Sens. John Danforth and Gordon H. Smith, longtime Republican election lawyer Benjamin L. Ginsberg and veteran Republican congressional chief of staff David Hoppe. Several of them are longtime Trump critics.
"Even now, twenty months after the election, a period in which Trump's supporters have been energetically scouring every nook and cranny for proof that the election was stolen, they come up empty. Claims are made, trumpeted in sympathetic media, and accepted as truthful by many patriotic Americans. But on objective examination they have fallen short, every time," the report says.
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The report warns that it's "wrong, and bad for our country, for people to propagate baseless claims that President Biden's election was not legitimate."
It delved into a detailed examination of each case brought by Trump and his supporters in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Trump and his backers alleged fraud, irregularities and procedural deficiencies in their challenges in court.
Trump and his allies lost nearly all the more than 60 cases they brought challenging the 2020 election results, the report noted. Twenty were dismissed before a hearing on the merits, 14 were dropped by Trump and his supporters, and 30 included a hearing on the merits, it found.
The group of conservatives argued that Trump and his supporters had "an obligation to recognize that the election debate was over."
"Questions of election legality must be resolved dispassionately in courts of law, not through rallies and demonstrations—and most emphatically, not by applying political pressure and threats to induce Congress to ignore its constitutional duty and the electoral outcome for which the people voted, and which the legal processes of the affected states had examined and confirmed," the report says.
The group urged "fellow conservatives to cease obsessing over the results of the 2020 election, and to focus instead on presenting candidates and ideas that offer a positive vision for overcoming our current difficulties and bringing greater peace, prosperity, and liberty to our nation."
The January 6 committee has held seven public hearings so far, presenting witness testimony from Trump campaign and administration staffers that there was no evidence of election fraud and that Trump disregarded warnings that his plan to overturn the election was illegal. The hearings have also detailed Trump's pressure campaign at different levels of government and his attempts to enlist the Department of Justice in his efforts.
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Fox News host Tucker Carlson on Wednesday night once again defended Vladimir Putin.
He suggested Italy is a bigger threat to world domination because its economy is slightly larger.
Carlson omitted the fact that Russia's annual military spending is more than twice as much as Italy's.
After briefly changing his tune on Russian President Vladimir Putin shortly after the invasion of Ukraine, Fox News host Tucker Carlson was back to defending him on Wednesday night.
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Comparing Russia's gross domestic product (GDP) to that of Italy, Carlson took a leap and suggested the country with an active military force of 340,000 poses a bigger global threat than Russia's roughly 1 million troops on active duty.
"Russia's economy is smaller than Italy's," Carlson said, showing a chart from Visual Capitalist of global GDP broken down by country, similar to a pie chart. "The Italians, in other words, are in a better position to take over the world than Vladimir Putin."
The World Bank puts Russia's 2021 GDP at $1.78 trillion and Italy's at $2.1 trillion.
Aside from Russia also having around 2 million reserve troops — some of whom have already been deployed to Ukraine, according to British intelligence — Carlson omitted the fact that, despite having a bigger economy, Italy's defense budget is three times smaller than Russia's and their annual military spending is half of Russia's, according to a comparison from the Global Firepower Index.
How the Kremlin is trying to make Ukrainian towns Russian, from installing puppet leaders to flying Soviet flags
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How the Kremlin is trying to make Ukrainian towns Russian, from installing puppet leaders to flying Soviet flags
Russian authorities are attempting to strip occupied Ukraine of its national culture.
Russia has installed its flags, monuments, and politicians in several Ukrainian cities and towns.
The occupied city of Kherson is even being forced to use the Russian ruble.
Amid the ongoing violence of war, Russian President Vladimir Putin's apparent long game in Ukraine — a nefarious attempt to assert total and long-term control on the neighboring country — is coming into clear view.
From the introduction of Russian currency to the complete shuttering of Ukrainian broadcasting, the Kremlin is taking extreme measures to make Ukrainian towns look, feel, and operate like Russia.
Prior to the start of the war, Putin erroneously claimed that Ukraine was not an independent state, baselessly arguing that the country was a creation of the Soviet Union and part of Russia's historic territory.
Now, as Russia's invasion stretches into its third month, it seems Putin is aiming to make his claims a reality.
Read the original article on Business Insider
The same index puts Russia's military strength in second place behind the US, with Italy ranked 11th out of 142 nations.
Italy is also not engaged in an active war, while Russian troops have been accused of committing war crimes by the United Nations. They have targeted Ukrainian civilians in mass-casualty missile strikes, from a shopping mall in Kremenchuk to a crowded theater in Mariupol, where an estimated 600 people were killed.
Fox News did not immediately respond Insider's request for comment.
Russian state media has used clips from Carlson's show on several occasions to justify the invasion of Ukraine, which, by law, must be referred to as a "special military operation." A leaked memo published by Mother Jones showed Kremlin talking points telling state media outlets to use the primetime host's material "as much as possible."
"It is essential to use as much as possible fragments of broadcasts of the popular Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who sharply criticizes the actions of the United States [and] NATO, their negative role in unleashing the conflict in Ukraine, [and] the defiantly provocative behavior from the leadership of the Western countries and NATO towards the Russian Federation and towards President Putin, personally," the March 2021 memo advised.
Carlson argued that by virtue of both Republicans and Democrats remaining in favor of providing Ukraine with billions in defense assistance, his viewers should be inherently skeptical and question whether any of it will "improve your life."
"This entire conversation is insane," Carlson said of the bipartisan consensus. "Anyone who takes it seriously is a fool, and anyone who doesn't see the red flags is probably dishonest."
Read
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/14/politics/electoral-count-act-agreement-senators/index.html
Senators from both parties have reached an agreement to clarify that the vice president only has a ceremonial role in overseeing the certification of the electoral results, according to two Senate sources, the first legislative response to former President Donald Trump's pressure campaign to overturn the 2020 presidential election results.
The agreement will be part of a larger deal to overhaul the Electoral Count Act, which a bipartisan group of senators plans to unveil as soon as next week. The effort was spawned by Trump's effort to get Congress and then-Vice President Mike Pence to disregard now-President Joe Biden's electoral win and install him into a second term, with senators looking to make it harder to do that future.
While constitutional experts and others say the vice president currently can't disregard a state certified electoral result, Trump continually berated Pence over the issue and told him to simply send the matter back to the states. Pence resisted the effort -- despite being a target of Trump and his mob of supporters who stormed the Capitol on January 6, 2021.
The pressure campaign against the vice president has been a key part of the House select committee's investigation into the Capitol Hill insurrection.
That larger deal is close to being finalized, with senators meeting Wednesday night saying that they are still ironing out some of the language.
"We're hopeful," said Sen. Joe Manchin, a Democrat of West Virginia, on Wednesday about the timetable for announcing a deal.
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"We are very close. We have a few technical issues to iron out. And I'm very hopeful we'll have a bill early next week," said Sen. Susan Collins, a Maine Republican, on Wednesday who added that because of jurisdictional issues, the group may propose a series of bills to address the needed reforms, but they have not made a decision on that yet.
"The Rules Committee clearly has jurisdiction over the Electoral Count Act, Homeland Security clearly has jurisdiction over the Postal Service and over presidential transitions, which we are also trying to smooth out when there's a case when it isn't clear who's won," she said, explaining why the bill might need to be split up.
The senators said they expected their proposal to be referred to committees of jurisdiction where they would be assessed further before votes on the floor.
"The group has done good work," Democratic Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia said.
Colts And Orioles
07-14-2022, 04:17 PM
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Is there any chance that we can merge some of these political threads ???
I know that the general board doesn't get much traffic in the first place, but almost every other thread in this particular section of ColtFreaks is quickly getting buried on the 2nd and 3rd pages.
Not that anybody cares about the majority of stuff that I post in the first place, but my thread about the historic college basketball games between North Carolina and Duke is already on Page 3, as is my thread about the Cleveland Indians changing their name to the Cleveland Guardians.
o
Racehorse
07-14-2022, 08:06 PM
o
Is there any chance that we can merge some of these political threads ???
I know that the general board doesn't get much traffic in the first place, but almost every other thread in this particular section of ColtFreaks is quickly getting buried on the 2nd and 3rd pages.
Not that anybody cares about the majority of stuff that I post in the first place, but my thread about the historic college basketball games between North Carolina and Duke is already on Page 3, as is my thread about the Cleveland Indians changing their name to the Cleveland Guardians.
o
Merged them. Nothing was deleted, just merged. Maybe we need a politics subforum.
Lov2fish
07-14-2022, 10:06 PM
Merged them. Nothing was deleted, just merged. Maybe we need a politics subforum.
Or a no politics allowed? I'm good with it. Six months of down time on the board is better than the constant bickering.
Racehorse
07-15-2022, 12:58 PM
Or a no politics allowed? I'm good with it. Six months of down time on the board is better than the constant bickering.
That is not my call, but I would agree.
Colts And Orioles
07-15-2022, 01:43 PM
Merged them. Nothing was deleted, just merged. Maybe we need a politics sub-forum.
o
This would be ideal ......
1) ) It would give Jaff unlimited room for the posting of his threads, every time the urge tickled his fancy.
2) ) It would not clutter up the General Discussion board.
3) ) It could be easily ignored by those who don't care enough to continue arguing about it.
o
o
This would be ideal ......
1) ) It would give Jaff unlimited room for the posting of his threads, every time the urge tickled his fancy.
2) ) It would not clutter up the General Discussion board.
3) ) It could be easily ignored by those who don't care enough to continue arguing about it.
o
I havent the faintest idea what you are saying. I had no intention of cluttering anything. I will follow that ever guild lines are set for the board
Colts And Orioles
07-16-2022, 09:16 PM
o
This would be ideal ......
1) ) It would give Jaff unlimited room for the posting of his threads, every time the urge tickled his fancy.
2) ) It would not clutter up the General Discussion board.
3) ) It could be easily ignored by those who don't care enough to continue arguing about it.
o
I haven't the faintest idea what you are saying. I had no intention of cluttering anything. I will follow that ever guild lines are set for the board.
o
You haven't the faintest idea of what I am saying ???
And you have no idea why l Racehorse l merged most of the 25 political threads that you started in the last 6 weeks, either ???
Ignorance is bliss ...... your intention may not have been to clutter the General Discussion board, but anyone who hasn't been living on the moon can see that the countless political threads that you've been starting were doing that.
o
o
You haven't the faintest idea of what I am saying ???
And you have no idea why l Racehorse l merged most of the 25 political threads that you started in the last 6 weeks, either ???
Ignorance is bliss ...... your intention may not have been to clutter the General Discussion board, but anyone who hasn't been living on the moon can see that the countless political threads that you've been starting were doing that.
o
I didnt put them in the football, its a general section. Thats where the mod moved them months ago. I
If someone makes a section for politics I would put them there. No one was required to read them.
Colts And Orioles
07-17-2022, 11:29 AM
I didnt put them in the football, its a general section. Thats where the mod moved them months ago. I
If someone makes a section for politics I would put them there. No one was required to read them.
o
Placing threads in the correct forum is not the only decorum that ColtFreaks has. You managed to take a section of the board that was rarely visited in the first place, and pushed almost every non-political thread off of Page One. If you want to be obstinate and refuse to acknowledge that your countless political threads were clogging up the General Discussion board, fine ...... the fact that l Racehorse l merged almost all of those threads, coupled with the fact that the administrators of ColtFreaks are strongly considering having a separate section for politics only say otherwise.
o
Racehorse
07-17-2022, 12:13 PM
o
Placing threads in the correct forum is not the only decorum that ColtFreaks has. You managed to take a section of the board that was rarely visited in the first place, and pushed almost every non-political thread off of Page One. If you want to be obstinate and refuse to acknowledge that your countless political threads were clogging up the General Discussion board, fine ...... the fact that l Racehorse l merged almost all of those threads, coupled with the fact that the administrators of ColtFreaks are strongly considering having a separate section for politics only say otherwise.
o
To be fair, I merged them at a request, and not on my own.
Spike
07-17-2022, 12:15 PM
o
Placing threads in the correct forum is not the only decorum that ColtFreaks has. You managed to take a section of the board that was rarely visited in the first place, and pushed almost every non-political thread off of Page One. If you want to be obstinate and refuse to acknowledge that your countless political threads were clogging up the General Discussion board, fine ...... the fact that l Racehorse l merged almost all of those threads, coupled with the fact that the administrators of ColtFreaks are strongly considering having a separate section for politics only say otherwise.
o
No need for a separate political thread C&O. Jaff only posts DTS shit, just need to make a DTS section for Jaff. We have never had this problem before.
Colts And Orioles
07-17-2022, 12:27 PM
To be fair, I merged them at a request, and not on my own.
o
OK, point taken.
Still, you did merge the threads upon suggestion, and you did suggest that we have a separate forum for politics, so I suspect that you understood the overall point that I was making and the reason why I made the request to merge the threads in the first place.
o
Colts And Orioles
07-17-2022, 12:32 PM
No need for a separate political thread, C&O. Jaff only posts DTS shit, just need to make a DTS section for Jaff. We have never had this problem before.
o
I don't care what they call it, as long as a separate forum is started.
As I said, most posters don't care very much about all of the other subject matter in the General Topics section in the first place, so to manage to knock almost everything else off of the front page is quite the dubious feat.
o
o
Placing threads in the correct forum is not the only decorum that ColtFreaks has. You managed to take a section of the board that was rarely visited in the first place, and pushed almost every non-political thread off of Page One. If you want to be obstinate and refuse to acknowledge that your countless political threads were clogging up the General Discussion board, fine ...... the fact that l Racehorse l merged almost all of those threads, coupled with the fact that the administrators of ColtFreaks are strongly considering having a separate section for politics only say otherwise.
o
So i posted daily news in a “rarely visited” forum, where it seemed like a good idea, since it was rarely used.
If there had been a “politics and other dumbshit stuff” board, I would have put it there.
Racehorse
07-17-2022, 06:40 PM
o
OK, point taken.
Still, you did merge the threads upon suggestion, and you did suggest that we have a separate forum for politics, so I suspect that you understood the overall point that I was making and the reason why I made the request to merge the threads in the first place.
o
Absolutely. I was just making a clarification that I did not do it unilaterally.
Trump responds to Pulitzer rejection of demand to revoke reporting awards
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/3565067-trump-responds-to-pulitzer-rejection-of-demand-to-revoke-reporting-awards/
Georgia Trump electors throw Giuliani and Eastman under the bus in legal filing: report
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/georgia-trump-electors-throw-giuliani-and-eastman-under-the-bus-in-legal-filing-report/ar-AAZLa86?cvid=5b6e27dca4c8468aa775f49eec1c438f
Lol
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/21/opinions/matthew-pottinger-january-6-hearing-bergen/index.html
Should watch this guy testify
Spike
07-21-2022, 08:27 PM
Enough of this shit about Trump. Can this fucked up administration do something to help us Americans. Like I said earlier, no one really gives a shit about 1/6 anymore. The non-brain dead Americans give a shit about their quality of life right now and what this administration has done to fuck it all up, nothing but shit the fucking bed. You fucking liberals are a disease.
Enough of this shit about Trump. Can this fucked up administration do something to help us Americans. Like I said earlier, no one really gives a shit about 1/6 anymore. The non-brain dead Americans give a shit about their quality of life right now and what this administration has done to fuck it all up, nothing but shit the fucking bed. You fucking liberals are a disease.
No, they really do, because Trump tried to subvert the election. By the way, the comment “ You fucking liberals are a disease” is your way of being a christian?
He fooled, bamboozled, and lied to a lot of good people. If he and his minions are innocent, all they need to do is go down to the hearings and testify. Explain sending a mob to over turn the results. Waiting 167 minutes of violence before calling off the mob at the capitol. It was a crime which he put into motion
Spike
07-21-2022, 10:27 PM
No, they really do, because Trump tried to subvert the election. By the way, the comment “ You fucking liberals are a disease” is your way of being a christian?
He fooled, bamboozled, and lied to a lot of good people. If he and his minions are innocent, all they need to do is go down to the hearings and testify. Explain sending a mob to over turn the results. Waiting 167 minutes of violence before calling off the mob at the capitol. It was a crime which he put into motion
You're full of shit Jaff. Just fucking stop. The majority of people don't agree with you. Live with it.
You're full of shit Jaff. Just fucking stop. The majority of people don't agree with you. Live with it.
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/21/1112546450/a-majority-thinks-trump-is-to-blame-for-jan-6-but-wont-face-charges-poll-finds
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/12/us/politics/trump-approval-polling-2024.html
https://www.newsweek.com/2024-odds-biden-harris-trump-desantis-1726687
Spike
07-21-2022, 11:24 PM
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/21/1112546450/a-majority-thinks-trump-is-to-blame-for-jan-6-but-wont-face-charges-poll-finds
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/12/us/politics/trump-approval-polling-2024.html
https://www.newsweek.com/2024-odds-biden-harris-trump-desantis-1726687
Not reading any of that shit. There is the truth and then there is the media bullshit. You liberals buy into that, I choose not.
Not reading any of that shit. There is the truth and then there is the media bullshit. You liberals buy into that, I choose not.
https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2016/05/13/pasted-image-at-2016_05_13-01_38-pm_custom-e569ed62fa53ee379f151c4b80502f1af049787f.png
Sorry its from cnn, but you can check it out your self
One of Donald Trump's favorite newspapers — controlled by his media ally Rupert Murdoch — says Trump is "unworthy to be this country's chief executive again."
Those words, in this weekend's New York Post, may be the tabloid's strongest critique of Trump yet.
Journalists are unflinching as they cover explosive 1/6 testimony. Meanwhile, MAGA Media spins for Trump
Journalists are unflinching as they cover explosive 1/6 testimony. Meanwhile, MAGA Media spins for Trump
It was published online on Friday evening, around the same time another Murdoch publication, the Wall Street Journal, also published an editorial harshly critiquing the former president.
The Journal called him "The President Who Stood Still on Jan. 6" and praised Vice President Mike Pence. "Character is revealed in a crisis, and Mr. Pence passed his Jan. 6 trial. Mr. Trump utterly failed his," the Journal editorial stated.
Both newspapers have been noticeably more critical of Trump than Murdoch's biggest megaphone of all, the Fox News Channel, though close viewers have also picked up on some signs that Fox might be souring on Trump.
The right-wing network does not show his rallies any longer, for example. Potential 2024 presidential candidate Ron DeSantis, the Florida governor, was a featured guest on Fox while Trump held a rally on Friday night.
Both the Post and Journal have conservative editorial boards that are thought to reflect Murdoch's views. Murdoch said last fall that conservatives must play an active role in the American political debate, "but that will not happen if President Trump stays focused on the past."
If Murdoch was trying to give Trump advice, it didn't work. Trump has continued to spread lies about the 2020 election and undermine the House's investigation into the January 6 insurrection.
Analysis: Trump's election lie becomes a big problem for MAGA Media
Analysis: Trump's election lie becomes a big problem for MAGA Media
After the House committee's first prime time hearing last month, the Journal's editorial board said the evidence was a reminder that "Trump betrayed his supporters."
While the editorial writers have remained skeptical of the House committee and critical of the lack of witness cross-examination, they wrote the following on Friday, after the second prime time hearing: "No matter your views of the Jan. 6 special committee, the facts it is laying out in hearings are sobering. The most horrifying to date came Thursday in a hearing on President Trump's conduct as the riot raged and he sat watching TV, posting inflammatory tweets and refusing to send help."
Instead of making excuses or changing the subject, as some conservative commentators have done, the Journal's editorial said Trump "failed" to do his duty as commander in chief.
The Post's editorial page, which wrote last month that "we need a fresh start" with "a new crop of conservatives," went further in its editorial after Thursday's prime time hearing.
"It's up to the Justice Department to decide if this is a crime," the Post said. "But as a matter of principle, as a matter of character, Trump has proven himself unworthy to be this country's chief executive again."
omahacolt
07-24-2022, 12:22 PM
Not reading any of that shit. There is the truth and then there is the media bullshit. You liberals buy into that, I choose not.
i have to hand it to you right wingers. you fall in line every time. you get your marching orders and you march. never question a thing
1-6 did happen and people do fucking care. how every american doesn't care is beyond me. propaganda works so amazingly well on right wingers.
if it ain't on tucker, it didn't happen
Not reading any of that shit. There is the truth and then there is the media bullshit. You liberals buy into that, I choose not.
Rupert Murdoch just denounced Trump. Go google his name so it makes sense
Fox News anchor Bret Baier slams Trump, saying January 6 hearings made him look 'horrific'
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fox-news-anchor-bret-baier-slams-trump-saying-january-6-hearings-made-him-look-horrific/ar-AAZWy7K?cvid=dca9ebd3801f4732a6fcdab818f08f2a
Fox News's Bret Baier said on Sunday that the picture painted by the January 6 committee made former President Donald Trump "look horrific."
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Baier, the network's Chief Political Anchor, spoke on "Media Buzz" in reaction to Thursday's session, which centered around 187 minutes of the Capitol riot, and Trump's actions and communications in that time — including remaining completely silent as the violence unfolded.
Baier, who has long been a critic of Trump, said: "Laying out all these 187 minutes makes him look horrific, it really does." The contrast between Trump's inaction and former Vice President Mike Pence's attempts to coordinate the administration, Baier said, was "very telling."
"To hear it and see it in that chronological order can be very powerful," he said.
Baier said that the hearings highlighting criticism by former Trump supporters and members of his administration — such as former Deputy National Security Adviser Matthew Pottinger and former Deputy White House Press Secretary Sarah Matthews — was especially persuasive.
"All of these people who have been testifying at one point or another wanted Trump to win," Baier said. "They served under his leadership. They wanted him to be a success."
Whether it changes the view of Republican voters is another matter, Baier said.
"The charges are that it's just not balanced," he said, in reference to the ongoing criticism that the hearings are one-sided. (A congressional committee hearing is supposed to publicize already-established findings, and Republican leaders boycotted involvement in the committee.)
Baier also called for more information on exactly what Trump said about mobilizing the National Guard in advance of the riot. If Trump had taken such action, Baier said, "it kind squelches or downplays the thought that he wanted this insurrection."
The Washington Post, with access to some of those conversations, reported that Trump never ordered the troops.
Baier's criticisms of Trump on the Rupert Murdoch-owned network are not unexpected, despite Fox's strongly conservative leanings.
But they by no means reflect the network's mainstream view. Fox's most-watched opinion host, Tucker Carlson invited former Trump strategist Steve Bannon onto his show on Friday just hours after Bannon had been found guilty of contempt of Congress for not appearing in the hearings.
Bannon called for a "real" hearing, baselessly saying the bipartisan committee currently gathered was presenting "lies and misrepresentations."
But last week's hearings prompted scathing editorials from two further Murdoch properties, The New York Post and The Wall Street Journal.
"Trump failed," said the Journal's editorial board on Friday.
"Trump's silence on January 6 is damning," said The New York Post's editorial board.
Two instances of clear condemnation from outlets which had been reluctant in the past were seen by some commentators as a sign that Murdoch was shifting further against Trump.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-fox-friends-has-gone-to-the-dark-side/ar-AAZWExk?cvid=500ba6bfd4e54e21b73707d6d83512c5
“@foxandfriends just really botched my poll numbers, no doubt on purpose,” Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social, the social network platforming he started after leaving office. “That show has been terrible — gone to the ‘dark side.’ They quickly quote the big Turning Point Poll victory of almost 60 points over the number two Republican, and then hammer me with outliers.”
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/26/politics/justice-department-pence-short-jacob-trump-grand-jury/index.html
Latest moves suggest DOJ investigation of 2020 election is looking at conduct directly related to Trump and his closest allies
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-cautious-calculation-behind-whether-fox-will-dump-trump/ar-AA10bHxu?ocid=&cvid=c9eaa550bbe7488e843f484c1a3085c1
The symbiotic, mutually advantageous bond between Rupert Murdoch’s media empire and Donald Trump has often been described as a romance or a love fest.
The cautious calculation behind whether Fox will dump Trump
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The cautious calculation behind whether Fox will dump Trump
Now that the relationship looks as if it may be headed to divorce court, let’s remember what really matters in any decision to split up: money and power.
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And let’s remember what doesn’t matter one whit: loyalty.
There’s no such thing on either side of this equation. In fact, I’d argue that neither side is capable of it.
The Murdochs and Trump aligned for mutual benefit. That may be changing.
Trump, after all, is the president who seemed to think the vicious calls of the mob on Jan. 6, 2021, to hang his ever-faithful Vice President Mike Pence were a pretty reasonable idea.
And he’s the same guy who mysteriously seems to forget close associates as soon as they cause him any trouble. After White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson — a frequent presence in his meetings whose workstation was mere steps away from the Oval Office — offered devastating testimony to the Jan. 6 select committee in June, Trump suffered the usual amnesia: “I hardly know who this person, Cassidy Hutchinson, is, other than I heard very negative things about her (a total phony and ‘leaker’) …”
Semper fidelis, in other words, isn’t really Trump’s strong suit. More appropriate is what legendary Chicago columnist Mike Royko suggested as a motto for his city where public officials often had their hands in the till: Ubi est mea? ( “Where’s mine?)
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As for the Murdochs, cold hard pragmatism will rule the day. If Trump continues to serve the media empire’s purposes as he has been doing so effectively for the past six years — bringing money in the form of ratings and viewership and benefiting Murdoch’s chosen political party — he’ll remain in favor.
If not, then he’ll be tossed overboard without an iota of regret, at least not by the top leadership: Rupert Murdoch and his increasingly important son, Lachlan.
Whether that will actually happen is not entirely clear. The signs are still a little murky and certainly open to interpretation.
On the one hand, the opinion pages of two Murdoch newspapers — the Wall Street Journal and the New York Post — have turned on Trump recently, both offering scathing editorials that blasted him for his role on Jan. 6, 2021, particularly his utter lack of leadership in calling off the dangerous mob. And, far more important than any newspaper editorial, his most valuable media ally, Fox News, has skipped much of the live coverage of the former president’s speeches and rallies while not interviewing him live for months.
Worse, the person emerging as his chief rival for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, has clearly caught the cable network’s eye.
But there’s still plenty of sycophancy on display. Just days ago, the talking heads of “Fox & Friends” — perhaps chastened by Trump’s raging that they had gone to the “dark side” after they reported some unfavorable poll numbers — once again stroked his fragile but oversize ego. Brian Kilmeade called him the “greatest golfing president ever,” and Ainsley Earhardt backed that up with one admiring exclamation: “Athletic!”
Meanwhile, Tucker Carlson showed up at Trump’s Saudi-funded golf tournament over the weekend in Bedminster, N.J., and yukked it up with the former president over an anti-Biden chant from the crowd.
The Murdochs, it seems clear, are waiting to see which way the wind blows.
Yes, they are having their doubts about Trump as the right horse to back, but most of all, they desperately want to hang onto the vast base of MAGA voters (and viewers) who haven’t quite made their minds up about moving on.
“Appearing loyal to Trump made them money, and the minute it stops making them money, they will stop doing it,” a former Fox News commentator was quoted in a weekend story from my colleagues Sarah Ellison and Jeremy Barr. The elder Murdoch may be personally disgusted, or at least put off, by Trump’s malfeasance as it has been revealed in the House hearings; that distaste is probably what’s being reflected in the Post and Journal editorials.
But we’re not there yet. And lofty ideals will have nothing to do with what ultimately happens. Pure pragmatism will rule the day.
Despite his occasional fits of pique, Trump will never really turn on Fox. After all, his social media platform, Truth Social, is no substitute for the constant blast of support that he can get from the most popular cable network in the land and from its prime-time stars. And the television alternatives he once touted, such as One America News and Newsmax, have not gotten the job done.
But the soulless expediency runs in both directions. If Trump manages to snag the Republican nomination in 2024 — very far from impossible despite his falling star — Fox will be right there by his side with pompoms and megaphone at the ready.
Not because of personal affection. Not because of stalwart loyalty. But because that will be the best bet for maintaining what really matters.
Spike
08-02-2022, 03:43 AM
i have to hand it to you right wingers. you fall in line every time. you get your marching orders and you march. never question a thing
1-6 did happen and people do fucking care. how every american doesn't care is beyond me. propaganda works so amazingly well on right wingers.
if it ain't on tucker, it didn't happen
Right wingers fall in line? unlike the leftists??? LOL! You continue to want to judge me Omaha, not that I give a Rat's ass. I don't fall in line for anyone, fucking democrats or republicans. Marching orders, that's so fucking dumb. I served this country, as did my dad and uncles and I care about this country and I am opposed to anyone trying to destroy it. Some democrats are trying to fuck it up and so are a some republicans. If Trump is guilty of being a traitor, lock his ass up, I've already stated this, along with Pelosi, the Clintons, Bush, etc... I don't give a shit if they are Democrats and Republicans.
Right wingers fall in line? unlike the leftists??? LOL! You continue to want to judge me Omaha, not that I give a Rat's ass. I don't fall in line for anyone, fucking democrats or republicans. Marching orders, that's so fucking dumb. I served this country, as did my dad and uncles and I care about this country and I am opposed to anyone trying to destroy it. Some democrats are trying to fuck it up and so are a some republicans. If Trump is guilty of being a traitor, lock his ass up, I've already stated this, along with Pelosi, the Clintons, Bush, etc... I don't give a shit if they are Democrats and Republicans.
I would think you would be unhappy with the Pubs stiffing military vets by voting down a bill to get vets who are suffering from exposure to the burn pits they used overseas.
What really bothers me is the Pub leadership celebrating , on Senate floor. This was a done deal and what they did was payback for some other nonsense. And they fucked the military in the process.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-federal-judge-dismissed-trump-s-request-to-toss-out-3-capitol-police-officer-lawsuits-against-him/ar-AA10e9mf?ocid=&cvid=3594f4c02e1c421e9815670af4719673
omahacolt
08-03-2022, 05:38 PM
Right wingers fall in line? unlike the leftists??? LOL! You continue to want to judge me Omaha, not that I give a Rat's ass. I don't fall in line for anyone, fucking democrats or republicans. Marching orders, that's so fucking dumb. I served this country, as did my dad and uncles and I care about this country and I am opposed to anyone trying to destroy it. Some democrats are trying to fuck it up and so are a some republicans. If Trump is guilty of being a traitor, lock his ass up, I've already stated this, along with Pelosi, the Clintons, Bush, etc... I don't give a shit if they are Democrats and Republicans.
if you want to take yourself out of the right wingers equation then fine. but you sure make a lot of posts that say otherwise.
point still stands, right wingers tow the party line in remarkable fashion. even voting against their own self interests. its insane but fascinating
Spike
08-04-2022, 02:32 PM
if you want to take yourself out of the right wingers equation then fine. but you sure make a lot of posts that say otherwise.
point still stands, right wingers tow the party line in remarkable fashion. even voting against their own self interests. its insane but fascinating
I do lean right, not hiding that fact.
DOJ talks with Trump lawyers mark a grave moment for the ex-President
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/05/politics/donald-trump-january-6-justice-department-probe/index.html
“Understanding what it means if the facts and the evidence are there, and they decide not to prosecute – how do we then call ourselves a nation of laws?,” said Cheney, one of two Republicans on the panel.
CNN senior legal analyst Preet Bharara said that the fact that Trump’s lawyers are already in communication with the investigation suggests they believe he may have some significant exposure down the line.
“Actively engaging suggests to me that the lawyers think that there is some jeopardy here and they should engage sooner rather than later,” Bharara, a former US attorney for the Southern District of New York, told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. Bharara cautioned that the investigation could last a long time and that a decision “about whether or not to charge Donald Trump” could occur many months from now.
Learning what Trump was saying and thinking as his mob smashed its way into the US Capitol and during his prior schemes designed to overturn his election loss could help establish whether the ex-President acted with corrupt intent and could be at risk of being criminally charged.
FBI executes search warrant at Trump's Mar-a-Lago, former President says
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/08/politics/mar-a-lago-search-warrant-fbi-donald-trump/index.html
Phones, documents, papers in the toliet
From fox news
https://www.foxnews.com/shows/fox-nation
Check it out. Lol
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-indicates-he-pleaded-the-fifth-in-deposition-for-new-york-ag-probe/ar-AA10vVfI?cvid=cfcf9e612cce474b9d37cfc518230c17
Nothing from any main stream media source is valid as fact. Sorry, they have taken away that assumption themselves the last decade when it went full on prime time comedy.
I know what sedation is, and even though January, 6th. was a shit show, it did not remotely meet the criteria to call it an insurrection. Liberalism is truly a mental disorder. Nobody can be that mentally dysfunctional without an underlying cause.
A group of people following trumps request stormed the capitol to stop the electoral college from finalizing the election.
insurrection noun
in·sur·rec·tion | \ ˌin(t)-sə-ˈrek-shən \
Definition of insurrection
: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government
Love the interweb
https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-informer-told-fbi-what-docs-trump-was-hiding-where-1732283
The raid on Mar-a-Lago was based largely on information from an FBI confidential human source, one who was able to identify what classified documents former President Trump was still hiding and even the location of those documents, two senior government officials told Newsweek.
The officials, who have direct knowledge of the FBI's deliberations and were granted anonymity in order to discuss sensitive matters, said the raid of Donald Trump's Florida residence was deliberately timed to occur when the former president was away.
donald trump
A confidential informer told the FBI what documents Donald Trump was hiding at Mar-a-Lago, and where. The former president at a rally on August 05, 2022 in Waukesha, Wisconsin.
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FBI decision-makers in Washington and Miami thought that denying the former president a photo opportunity or a platform from which to grandstand (or to attempt to thwart the raid) would lower the profile of the event, says one of the sources, a senior Justice Department official who is a 30-year veteran of the FBI.
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The effort to keep the raid low-key failed: instead, it prompted a furious response from GOP leaders and Trump supporters. "What a spectacular backfire," says the Justice official.
"I know that there is much speculation out there that this is political persecution, but it is really the best and the worst of the bureaucracy in action," the official says. "They wanted to punctuate the fact that this was a routine law enforcement action, stripped of any political overtones, and yet [they] got exactly the opposite."
Both senior government officials say the raid was scheduled with no political motive, the FBI solely intent on recovering highly classified documents that were illegally removed from the White House. Preparations to conduct such an operation began weeks ago, but in planning the date and time, the FBI Miami Field Office and Washington headquarters were focused on the former president's scheduled return to Florida from his residences in New York and New Jersey.
"They were seeking to avoid any media circus," says the second source, a senior intelligence official who was briefed on the investigation and the operation. "So even though everything made sense bureaucratically and the FBI feared that the documents might be destroyed, they also created the very firestorm they sought to avoid, in ignoring the fallout."
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A "Florida For Trump" flag outside Mar-a-Lago
A "Florida For Trump" flag being displayed outside Mar-a-Lago following the FBI search.
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On Monday at about 10 a.m. EST, two dozen FBI agents and technicians showed up at Donald Trump's Florida home to execute a search warrant to obtain any government-owned documents that might be in the possession of Trump but are required to be delivered to the Archives under the provisions of the 1978 Presidential Records Act. (In response to the Hillary Clinton email scandal, Trump himself signed a law in 2018 that made it a felony to remove and retain classified documents.)
The act establishes that presidential records are the property of the U.S. government and not a president's private property. Put in place after Watergate to avoid the abuses of the Nixon administration, the law imposes strict penalties for failure to comply. "Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined" $2,000, up to three years in prison or "shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States."
The act, and concerns about the illegal possession of classified "national defense information" are the bases for the search warrant, according to the two sources. The raid had nothing to do with the January 6 investigation or any other alleged wrongdoing by the former president.
The road to the raid began a year-and-a-half ago, when in the transition from the Trump administration to that of President Joe Biden, there were immediate questions raised by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) as to whether the presidential records turned over to the federal agency for historical preservation were complete or not.
In February, Archivist David Ferriero testified before Congress that his agency began talking with Trump's people right after they left office and that the Trump camp had already returned 15 boxes of documents to the Archives. Ferriero said that in those materials, the Archives discovered items "marked as classified national security information," unleashing further inquiries as to whether Trump continued to possess classified material.
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The basic outlines of the facts surrounding this timeline have been confirmed by the former president. He has previously said that he was returning any official records to the Archives, labeling any confusion in the matter as "an ordinary and routine process to ensure the preservation of my legacy and in accordance with the Presidential Records Act." He also claimed the Archives "did not 'find' anything" in what he had already been returned, suggesting that there was nothing sensitive. He said the documents had inadvertently shipped to Florida during the six-hour transition period in which his belongings were moved.
According to the Justice Department source, the Archives saw things differently, believing that the former White House was stonewalling and continued to possess unauthorized material. Earlier this year, they asked the Justice Department to investigate.
In late April, the source says, a federal grand jury began deliberating whether there was a violation of the Presidential Records Act or whether President Trump unlawfully possessed national security information. Through the grand jury process, the National Archives provided federal prosecutors with copies of the documents received from former President Trump in January 2022. The grand jury concluded that there had been a violation of the law, according to the Justice Department source.
In the past week, the prosecutor in the case and local Assistant U.S. Attorney went to Florida magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart in West Palm Beach to seek approval for the search of Donald Trump's private residence. The affidavit to obtain the search warrant, the intelligence source says, contained abundant and persuasive detail that Trump continued to possess the relevant records in violation of federal law, and that investigators had sufficient information to prove that those records were located at Mar-a-Lago—including the detail that they were contained in a specific safe in a specific room.
"In order for the investigators to convince the Florida judge to approve such an unprecedented raid, the information had to be solid, which the FBI claimed," says the intelligence source.
According to experts familiar with FBI practices, Judge Reinhart reviewed the prosecutor's evidence and asked numerous questions about the sources and the urgency. The judge signed a search warrant allowing the FBI to look for relevant material and the FBI then planned the operation, wanting to conduct the raid while Trump was spending time at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey. A Secret Service source who spoke on background said the Secret Service director was given advance warning and was later told the specifics of the raid.
Because the Secret Service is still responsible for protecting the former president, his family, and his property, the FBI had to coordinate with the Secret Service to gain access to the grounds.
A convoy of unmarked black SUVs and a Ryder rental truck filled with about three dozen FBI special agents and technicians entered the gates in the early evening. Heavily armed Secret Service agents were also visibly present at the gates. The Palm Beach Police Department was also present at the scene.
The entire operation was conducted relatively stealthily. No FBI people were seen in their iconic blue windbreakers announcing the presence of the Bureau. And though local law enforcement was present, the Palm Beach Police Department was careful to tweet on Tuesday that it "was not aware of the existence of a search warrant nor did our department assist the FBI in the execution of a search warrant."
According to news reports, some 10-15 boxes of documents were removed from the premises. Donald Trump said in a statement that the FBI opened his personal safe as part of their search. Trump attorney Lindsey Halligan, who was present during the multi-hour search, says that the FBI targeted three rooms—a bedroom, an office and a storage room. That suggests that the FBI knew specifically where to look.
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"This unannounced raid on my home was not necessary or appropriate," former President Trump said in a statement. He called the raid "prosecutorial misconduct, the weaponization of the Justice System, and an attack by Radical Left Democrats who desperately don't want me to run for President in 2024."
Though Trump and his Republican Party allies are portraying the raid as politically motivated, it is likely the unprecedented nature of the raid on the property of a former president will have the greatest reverberation. Even Trump's political rivals have rallied in condemning the FBI.
Former Vice President Mike Pence tweeted that "no former President of the United States has ever been subject to a raid of their personal residence in American history." Mike Pompeo, Trump's Secretary of State and CIA director, tweeted that Attorney General Merrick Garland "must explain why 250 yrs of practice was upended w/ this raid. I served on Benghazi Com[mittee] where we proved Hillary possessed classified info. We didn't raid her home."
The Biden White House says the president was not briefed about the Mar-a-Lago raid and knew nothing about it in advance. "The Justice Department conducts investigations independently and we leave any law enforcement matters to them," Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said Tuesday afternoon. "It would not be appropriate for us to comment on any ongoing investigations."
Merrick Garland
As U.S. President Joe Biden, appearing via teleconference, looks on, Attorney General Merrick Garland attends a meeting of the Task Force on Reproductive Healthcare Access during an event at the White House complex August 3, 2022 in Washington, DC.
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The senior Justice Department source says that Garland was regularly briefed on the Records Act investigation, and that he knew about the grand jury and what material federal prosecutors were seeking. He insists, though, that Garland had no prior knowledge of the date and time of the specific raid, nor was he asked to approve it. "I know it's hard for people to believe," says the official, "but this was a matter for the U.S. Attorney and the FBI."
https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-informer-told-fbi-what-docs-trump-was-hiding-where-1732283
The raid on Mar-a-Lago was based largely on information from an FBI confidential human source, one who was able to identify what classified documents former President Trump was still hiding and even the location of those documents, two senior government officials told Newsweek.
The officials, who have direct knowledge of the FBI's deliberations and were granted anonymity in order to discuss sensitive matters, said the raid of Donald Trump's Florida residence was deliberately timed to occur when the former president was away.
donald trump
A confidential informer told the FBI what documents Donald Trump was hiding at Mar-a-Lago, and where. The former president at a rally on August 05, 2022 in Waukesha, Wisconsin.
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FBI decision-makers in Washington and Miami thought that denying the former president a photo opportunity or a platform from which to grandstand (or to attempt to thwart the raid) would lower the profile of the event, says one of the sources, a senior Justice Department official who is a 30-year veteran of the FBI.
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The effort to keep the raid low-key failed: instead, it prompted a furious response from GOP leaders and Trump supporters. "What a spectacular backfire," says the Justice official.
"I know that there is much speculation out there that this is political persecution, but it is really the best and the worst of the bureaucracy in action," the official says. "They wanted to punctuate the fact that this was a routine law enforcement action, stripped of any political overtones, and yet [they] got exactly the opposite."
Both senior government officials say the raid was scheduled with no political motive, the FBI solely intent on recovering highly classified documents that were illegally removed from the White House. Preparations to conduct such an operation began weeks ago, but in planning the date and time, the FBI Miami Field Office and Washington headquarters were focused on the former president's scheduled return to Florida from his residences in New York and New Jersey.
"They were seeking to avoid any media circus," says the second source, a senior intelligence official who was briefed on the investigation and the operation. "So even though everything made sense bureaucratically and the FBI feared that the documents might be destroyed, they also created the very firestorm they sought to avoid, in ignoring the fallout."
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A "Florida For Trump" flag outside Mar-a-Lago
A "Florida For Trump" flag being displayed outside Mar-a-Lago following the FBI search.
EVA MARIE UZCATEGUI/GETTY
On Monday at about 10 a.m. EST, two dozen FBI agents and technicians showed up at Donald Trump's Florida home to execute a search warrant to obtain any government-owned documents that might be in the possession of Trump but are required to be delivered to the Archives under the provisions of the 1978 Presidential Records Act. (In response to the Hillary Clinton email scandal, Trump himself signed a law in 2018 that made it a felony to remove and retain classified documents.)
The act establishes that presidential records are the property of the U.S. government and not a president's private property. Put in place after Watergate to avoid the abuses of the Nixon administration, the law imposes strict penalties for failure to comply. "Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined" $2,000, up to three years in prison or "shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States."
The act, and concerns about the illegal possession of classified "national defense information" are the bases for the search warrant, according to the two sources. The raid had nothing to do with the January 6 investigation or any other alleged wrongdoing by the former president.
The road to the raid began a year-and-a-half ago, when in the transition from the Trump administration to that of President Joe Biden, there were immediate questions raised by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) as to whether the presidential records turned over to the federal agency for historical preservation were complete or not.
In February, Archivist David Ferriero testified before Congress that his agency began talking with Trump's people right after they left office and that the Trump camp had already returned 15 boxes of documents to the Archives. Ferriero said that in those materials, the Archives discovered items "marked as classified national security information," unleashing further inquiries as to whether Trump continued to possess classified material.
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The basic outlines of the facts surrounding this timeline have been confirmed by the former president. He has previously said that he was returning any official records to the Archives, labeling any confusion in the matter as "an ordinary and routine process to ensure the preservation of my legacy and in accordance with the Presidential Records Act." He also claimed the Archives "did not 'find' anything" in what he had already been returned, suggesting that there was nothing sensitive. He said the documents had inadvertently shipped to Florida during the six-hour transition period in which his belongings were moved.
According to the Justice Department source, the Archives saw things differently, believing that the former White House was stonewalling and continued to possess unauthorized material. Earlier this year, they asked the Justice Department to investigate.
In late April, the source says, a federal grand jury began deliberating whether there was a violation of the Presidential Records Act or whether President Trump unlawfully possessed national security information. Through the grand jury process, the National Archives provided federal prosecutors with copies of the documents received from former President Trump in January 2022. The grand jury concluded that there had been a violation of the law, according to the Justice Department source.
In the past week, the prosecutor in the case and local Assistant U.S. Attorney went to Florida magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart in West Palm Beach to seek approval for the search of Donald Trump's private residence. The affidavit to obtain the search warrant, the intelligence source says, contained abundant and persuasive detail that Trump continued to possess the relevant records in violation of federal law, and that investigators had sufficient information to prove that those records were located at Mar-a-Lago—including the detail that they were contained in a specific safe in a specific room.
"In order for the investigators to convince the Florida judge to approve such an unprecedented raid, the information had to be solid, which the FBI claimed," says the intelligence source.
According to experts familiar with FBI practices, Judge Reinhart reviewed the prosecutor's evidence and asked numerous questions about the sources and the urgency. The judge signed a search warrant allowing the FBI to look for relevant material and the FBI then planned the operation, wanting to conduct the raid while Trump was spending time at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey. A Secret Service source who spoke on background said the Secret Service director was given advance warning and was later told the specifics of the raid.
Because the Secret Service is still responsible for protecting the former president, his family, and his property, the FBI had to coordinate with the Secret Service to gain access to the grounds.
A convoy of unmarked black SUVs and a Ryder rental truck filled with about three dozen FBI special agents and technicians entered the gates in the early evening. Heavily armed Secret Service agents were also visibly present at the gates. The Palm Beach Police Department was also present at the scene.
The entire operation was conducted relatively stealthily. No FBI people were seen in their iconic blue windbreakers announcing the presence of the Bureau. And though local law enforcement was present, the Palm Beach Police Department was careful to tweet on Tuesday that it "was not aware of the existence of a search warrant nor did our department assist the FBI in the execution of a search warrant."
According to news reports, some 10-15 boxes of documents were removed from the premises. Donald Trump said in a statement that the FBI opened his personal safe as part of their search. Trump attorney Lindsey Halligan, who was present during the multi-hour search, says that the FBI targeted three rooms—a bedroom, an office and a storage room. That suggests that the FBI knew specifically where to look.
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"This unannounced raid on my home was not necessary or appropriate," former President Trump said in a statement. He called the raid "prosecutorial misconduct, the weaponization of the Justice System, and an attack by Radical Left Democrats who desperately don't want me to run for President in 2024."
Though Trump and his Republican Party allies are portraying the raid as politically motivated, it is likely the unprecedented nature of the raid on the property of a former president will have the greatest reverberation. Even Trump's political rivals have rallied in condemning the FBI.
Former Vice President Mike Pence tweeted that "no former President of the United States has ever been subject to a raid of their personal residence in American history." Mike Pompeo, Trump's Secretary of State and CIA director, tweeted that Attorney General Merrick Garland "must explain why 250 yrs of practice was upended w/ this raid. I served on Benghazi Com[mittee] where we proved Hillary possessed classified info. We didn't raid her home."
The Biden White House says the president was not briefed about the Mar-a-Lago raid and knew nothing about it in advance. "The Justice Department conducts investigations independently and we leave any law enforcement matters to them," Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said Tuesday afternoon. "It would not be appropriate for us to comment on any ongoing investigations."
Merrick Garland
As U.S. President Joe Biden, appearing via teleconference, looks on, Attorney General Merrick Garland attends a meeting of the Task Force on Reproductive Healthcare Access during an event at the White House complex August 3, 2022 in Washington, DC.
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The senior Justice Department source says that Garland was regularly briefed on the Records Act investigation, and that he knew about the grand jury and what material federal prosecutors were seeking. He insists, though, that Garland had no prior knowledge of the date and time of the specific raid, nor was he asked to approve it. "I know it's hard for people to believe," says the official, "but this was a matter for the U.S. Attorney and the FBI."
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/11/politics/garland-announcement-justice-department/index.html
In his first public statement since federal agents searched former President Donald Trump's home at Mar-a-Lago earlier this week, Attorney General Merrick Garland on Thursday said that the Justice Department had filed in court a request that the search warrant and property receipt from the search be unsealed.
Garland also said he "personally approved the decision to seek a search warrant in this matter."
He noted that the department did not comment on the search on the day that it occurred. He pointed out that the search was confirmed by Trump that evening. He said that copies of the warrant and the warrant receipt were provided to the Trump lawyers who were on site during the search.
"The Department filed the motion to make public the warrant and receipt in light of the former president's public confirmation of the search, the surrounding circumstances and the substantial public interest in this matter," Garland said. "Faithful adherence to the rule of law is the bedrock principle of the Justice Department and of our democracy. Upholding the rule of law means applying the law evenly without fear or favor. Under my watch, that is precisely what the Justice Department is doing."
The statement comes after days of silence from the Justice Department with regard to the search, as is the department's normal practice for ongoing investigations. Garland stressed that some of the department's work must happen outside of public view.
"We do that to protect the constitutional rights of all Americans and to protect the integrity of our investigations," he said, while explaining that he would not provide more detail about the basis of the search.
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Trump and his legal team have not yet reached a decision on how to respond to the Justice Department's motion to unseal the warrant, a source familiar with their thinking told CNN.
In a pair of posts to Truth Social following Garland's statement, Trump continued to claim that his attorneys were "cooperating fully" and had developed "very good relationships" with federal investigators prior to Monday's search at Mar-a-Lago.
"The government could have had whatever they wanted, if we had it," Trump said. "Everything was fine, better than most previous Presidents, and then, out of nowhere and with no warning, Mar-a-Lago was raided, at 6:30 in the morning, by VERY large numbers of agents, and even 'safecrackers.'"
The Justice Department has been instructed by the court to confer with Trump about its request to unseal certain warrant documents from the FBI Mar-a-Lago search and to tell the court by Friday 3 p.m. ET if he opposes their release.
Justice Department asks court for documents to be released
The FBI executed a search warrant Monday at the Palm Beach, Florida, resort as part of an investigation into the handling of presidential documents, including classified documents, that may have been brought there.
Newly filed court documents outline what the Justice Department has officially moved to do Thursday.
"On August 8, 2022, the Department of Justice executed a search warrant, issued by this Court upon the requisite finding of probable cause... at the premises located at 1100 S. Ocean Blvd., Palm Beach, Florida 33480, a property of former President Donald J. Trump," the motion reads.
"At the time the warrant was initially executed, the Department provided notice directly to former President Trump's counsel. The Department did not make any public statements about the search, and the search apparently attracted little or no public attention as it was taking place. Later that same day, former President Trump issued a public statement acknowledging the execution of the warrant. In the days since, the search warrant and related materials have been the subject of significant interest and attention from news media organizations and other entities," the Justice Department writes.
DOJ then argues for unsealing the search warrant, citing "the intense public interest presented by a search of a residence of a former President."
The filing confirms that the search warrant was "signed and approved by the Court on August 5." On Thursday, the DOJ filed "the redacted Property Receipt listing items seized pursuant to the search," according to its unsealing motion.
"Former President Trump, through counsel, was provided copies of each of these documents on August 8, 2022, as part of the execution of the search," the filing adds.
Earlier this year, officials from the National Archives arranged the retrieval of 15 boxes of presidential documents from Mar-a-Lago. In June, federal investigators served a grand jury subpoena and took away sensitive national security documents.
Then, according to sources, prosecutors developed evidence that there were potentially classified documents with national security implications remaining at the property.
FBI officials under attack
Republican lawmakers have lashed out at the department, calling the search politically motivated. Several lawmakers on the right have called for increased oversight of the department, and some have even suggested defunding the FBI or that agents planted evidence at the Florida estate.
Violent threats also have exploded online since the search. Posters have written things like "Garland needs to be assassinated" and "kill all feds." The biography and contact information of a federal magistrate judge who appears to have signed the search warrant used to execute the search at Mar-a-Lago has been wiped from a Florida court's website after he too became the target of violent threats.
In a message reviewed by CNN on Thursday moments ahead of the public statement, FBI Director Chris Wray told the bureau's employees their "safety and security" was his "primary concern right now.
"There has been a lot of commentary about the FBI this week questioning our work and motives," Wray said. "Much of it is from critics and pundits on the outside who don't know what we know and don't see what we see. What I know — and what I see — is an organization made up of men and women who are committed to doing their jobs professionally and by the book every day; this week is no exception."
In his public comments, Garland also called out the "unfounded attacks on the professionalism of the FBI and Justice Department agents and prosecutors."
"I will not stand by silently when their integrity is unfairly attacked. The men and women of the FBI and the Justice Department are dedicated patriotic public servants," he said. "Every day, they protect the American people from violent crime, terrorism and other threats to their safety while safeguarding our civil rights. They do so at great personal sacrifice and risk to themselves. I am honored to work alongside them."
He should be sitting in the Supreme Court, except for the republican senators.
Karma is a BITCH
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/11/politics/trump-mar-a-lago-search-nuclear-classified-documents/index.html
The FBI sought to locate classified documents related to nuclear weapons, among other items, when agents searched former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida, this week, people familiar with the investigation told The Washington Post.
The people did not offer additional details to the Post about what the agents were seeking or whether any documents were recovered.
Attorney General Merrick Garland said Thursday that he "personally approved" the decision to seek a warrant for the search of Trump's Florida home.
"The department does not take such a decision lightly. Where possible, it is standard practice to seek less intrusive means as an alternative to a search and to narrowly scope any search that is undertaken," Garland said in a news conference.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fbi-sought-nuclear-documents-search-trumps-home-washington-post-2022-08-12/
WASHINGTON, Aug 11 (Reuters) - U.S. federal agents were looking for documents relating to nuclear weapons when they searched former President Donald Trump's home in Florida this week, the Washington Post reported on Thursday.
It was not clear if such documents were recovered, the Post reported.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fbi-agents-in-trump-mar-a-lago-raid-sought-nuclear-weapons-documents-report/ar-AA10ztlx?cvid=fb441e7a4a2f4509b9dc5c254bd99a61
FBI agents appear to have been on the hunt for classified documents related to nuclear weapons during their raid of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort on Monday, according to a report.
FBI agents in Trump Mar-a-Lago raid sought nuclear weapons documents: Report
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FBI agents in Trump Mar-a-Lago raid sought nuclear weapons documents: Report
Sources told the Washington Post that such classified information was among the items agents look for in the search, but declined to speak about any other materials that may have been sought. It remains unclear whether they found any nuclear documents, but experts cited in the report said this adds credence to fears by government officials that they could be obtained by bad actors.
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Amid a political firestorm, in which Trump has decried the raid as being politically motivated, Attorney General Merrick Garland announced Thursday that he had personally approved the FBI’s decision to seek a search warrant.
Federal investigators served a grand jury subpoena in June and collected documents believed to contain sensitive national security information stashed in the basement of the resort, CNN reported. The Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday that "someone familiar with the stored papers" told investigators there were still possibly more classified materials at the private club, and it noted there was doubt among Justice Department officials that Trump's team was being truthful about what records remained at Mar-a-Lago.
All this took place months after the National Archives and Records Administration collected about 15 boxes worth of material from Mar-a-Lago that officials said should have been turned over after Trump left office. Officials at the National Archives said they found classified material in the trove and referred the matter to the Justice Department.
FBI agents took about a dozen boxes in the latest raid, Trump's lawyer said.
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In a flurry of Truth Social posts on Thursday, Trump complained of being targeted in the raid without warning.
"My attorneys and representatives were cooperating fully, and very good relationships had been established," Trump said. "The government could have had whatever they wanted, if we had it. They asked us to put an additional lock on a certain area - DONE! Everything was fine, better than that of most previous Presidents, and then, out of nowhere and with no warning, Mar-a-Lago was raided, at 6:30 in the morning, by VERY large numbers of agents, and even 'safecrackers.' They got way ahead of themselves. Crazy!"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/judge-sen-graham-must-testify-in-georgia-election-probe/ar-AA10GaJ1?ocid=EMMX&cvid=33d14941c7124a6c96ef00bce2ef490a
ATLANTA (AP) — A federal judge on Monday said U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham must testify before a special grand jury in Atlanta that is investigating whether former President Donald Trump and his allies broke any laws while trying to overturn his narrow 2020 general election loss in the state.
FILE - Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., addresses a South Carolina GOP dinner July 29, 2022, in Columbia, S.C. Graham has brought on former President Donald Trump's former White House counsel Don McGahn, who was in federal court in Atlanta last week as part of a legal team fighting a subpoena for Graham(AP Photo/Meg Kinnard, File)
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FILE - Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., addresses a South Carolina GOP dinner July 29, 2022, in Columbia, S.C. Graham has brought on former President Donald Trump's former White House counsel Don McGahn, who was in federal court in Atlanta last week as part of a legal team fighting a subpoena for Graham(AP Photo/Meg Kinnard, File)
Attorneys for Graham, R-S.C., had argued that his position as a U.S. senator provided him immunity from having to appear before the investigative panel and asked the judge to quash his subpoena. But U.S. District Judge Leigh Martin May wrote in an order Monday that immunities related to his role as a senator do not protect him in this case, and he must appear before the special grand jury on Aug. 23.
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis opened the investigation last year, and a special grand jury with subpoena power was seated in May at her request. Last month she filed petitions seeking to compel testimony from seven Trump advisers and associates.
Prosecutors have indicated they want to ask Graham about phone calls they say he made to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and his staff in the weeks following the election.
Graham had argued that a provision of the Constitution provides absolute protection against a senator being questioned about legislative acts. But the judge found there are “considerable areas of potential grand jury inquiry” that fall outside that provision’s scope. The judge also rejected Graham’s argument that the principle of “sovereign immunity” protects a senator from being summoned by a state prosecutor.
Graham also argued that Willis, a Democrat, had not demonstrated extraordinary circumstances necessary to compel testimony from a high-ranking official. But the judge disagreed, finding that Willis has shown “extraordinary circumstances and a special need” for Graham’s testimony on issues related to alleged attempt to influence or disrupt the election in Georgia.
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Kevin Bishop, a Graham spokesman, said Monday the senator had no comment but referred to what Graham said when asked about the probe last week. During a news conference in Columbia, S.C., Graham said, “We will take this as far as we need to take it” when asked about his efforts to fight appearing to testify.
“I was chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee and had to vote on certifying an election,” Graham told reporters. “This is ridiculous. This weaponization of the law needs to stop. So I will use the courts. We will go as far as we need to go and do whatever needs to be done to make sure that people like me can do their jobs without fear of some county prosecutor coming after you.”
During the calls cited by Willis, Graham “questioned Secretary Raffensperger and his staff about reexamining certain absentee ballots cast in Georgia in order to explore the possibility of a more favorable outcome for former President Donald Trump,” Willis wrote in a petition.
Graham also “made reference to allegations of widespread voter fraud in the November 2020 election in Georgia, consistent with public statements made by known affiliates of the Trump Campaign,” she wrote.
Republican and Democratic state election officials, courts and even Trump's attorney general found there was no evidence of any voter fraud sufficient to affect the outcome of his 2020 presidential election loss to Democrat Joe Biden.
Spike
08-15-2022, 11:53 AM
LMAO with you liberals. The FBI going after Trump is going to backfire so bad on the liberals. People who were on the fence are now pissed off about this BS now too. Mid-terms must be coming up for the dems to stoop this fucking low. I didn't really know who I was going to vote for in 2024, but now, I will be voting for Trump because I hate this banana fucking republic we have turned into.
Why wasn't Hillary treated this way? Why weren't the Biden's treated this way? Just political bullshit and leftists can't see this, saddens me really.
The only democrat who could run for president that I would vote for is Tulsi Gabbard. Warren? fuck no. Sanders? fuck no. Butthead? fuck no.
I love America and I am saddened by all the bullshit going on now. This woke bullshit is fucking insane, and I worry about our future, as you Jaff should be. I didn't serve in the military for this BS.
Lov2fish
08-15-2022, 12:42 PM
LMAO with you liberals. The FBI going after Trump is going to backfire so bad on the liberals. People who were on the fence are now pissed off about this BS now too. Mid-terms must be coming up for the dems to stoop this fucking low. I didn't really know who I was going to vote for in 2024, but now, I will be voting for Trump because I hate this banana fucking republic we have turned into.
Why wasn't Hillary treated this way? Why weren't the Biden's treated this way? Just political bullshit and leftists can't see this, saddens me really.
The only democrat who could run for president that I would vote for is Tulsi Gabbard. Warren? fuck no. Sanders? fuck no. Butthead? fuck no.
I love America and I am saddened by all the bullshit going on now. This woke bullshit is fucking insane, and I worry about our future, as you Jaff should be. I didn't serve in the military for this BS.
Smoke and mirrors. Give them bread and circuses!
AlwaysSunnyinIndy
08-15-2022, 01:17 PM
Smoke and mirrors. Give them bread and circuses!
Are you talking about Trump or Biden - it applies in either case!!
Lov2fish
08-15-2022, 01:42 PM
are you talking about trump or biden - it applies in either case!!
yes....
Smoke and mirrors. Give them bread and circuses!
No,its about having top secret papers unsecured in Florida. And no, they were not declassified. Trump cant wave a magic chicken leg over boxes and declare them declassified. Any declassified papers are still held in a secure location controlled by NARLA
Racehorse
08-15-2022, 05:21 PM
LMAO with you liberals. The FBI going after Trump is going to backfire so bad on the liberals. People who were on the fence are now pissed off about this BS now too. Mid-terms must be coming up for the dems to stoop this fucking low. I didn't really know who I was going to vote for in 2024, but now, I will be voting for Trump because I hate this banana fucking republic we have turned into.
Why wasn't Hillary treated this way? Why weren't the Biden's treated this way? Just political bullshit and leftists can't see this, saddens me really.
The only democrat who could run for president that I would vote for is Tulsi Gabbard. Warren? fuck no. Sanders? fuck no. Butthead? fuck no.
I love America and I am saddened by all the bullshit going on now. This woke bullshit is fucking insane, and I worry about our future, as you Jaff should be. I didn't serve in the military for this BS.
I hope Trump does not run. water under the bridge...
omahacolt
08-15-2022, 05:31 PM
LMAO with you liberals. The FBI going after Trump is going to backfire so bad on the liberals. People who were on the fence are now pissed off about this BS now too. Mid-terms must be coming up for the dems to stoop this fucking low. I didn't really know who I was going to vote for in 2024, but now, I will be voting for Trump because I hate this banana fucking republic we have turned into.
Why wasn't Hillary treated this way? Why weren't the Biden's treated this way? Just political bullshit and leftists can't see this, saddens me really.
The only democrat who could run for president that I would vote for is Tulsi Gabbard. Warren? fuck no. Sanders? fuck no. Butthead? fuck no.
I love America and I am saddened by all the bullshit going on now. This woke bullshit is fucking insane, and I worry about our future, as you Jaff should be. I didn't serve in the military for this BS.
haha yeah right. you were always going to vote for trump. come on man. you aren't fooling anyone.
there is nothing that trump could do to make you not love him. probably any republican for that matter.
hillary sat there and was questioned for 11 hours on Benghazi. didn't plead the fifth or ignore the subpoena. the fbi opened back up an investigation into here 11 days before the election. what the fuck are you talking about?
maybe just let the fbi do its job? no more back the blue? you have been fooled by a con man. its pretty sad man.
Spike
08-15-2022, 07:31 PM
haha yeah right. you were always going to vote for trump. come on man. you aren't fooling anyone.
there is nothing that trump could do to make you not love him. probably any republican for that matter.
hillary sat there and was questioned for 11 hours on Benghazi. didn't plead the fifth or ignore the subpoena. the fbi opened back up an investigation into here 11 days before the election. what the fuck are you talking about?
maybe just let the fbi do its job? no more back the blue? you have been fooled by a con man. its pretty sad man.
I don't need to fool anyone. I really don't give a shit what you or anyone else thinks. I will never apologize for my beliefs.
Under Trump life was better, under these old decrepit dems, life is worst True or false? Let the FBI do their job??? Laughable when they didn't do their job in the past. Fuck off with this nonsense, liberals never cease to amaze me with their loyalty to communism/socialism. I will tell you again, don't fucking judge me Omaha, you don't fucking know me. I just tell you what I believe, if you don't like it, well fuck off. The truth is Trump was way better than Biden.
I don't need to fool anyone. I really don't give a shit what you or anyone else thinks. I will never apologize for my beliefs.
Under Trump life was better, under these old decrepit dems, life is worst True or false?
Things were better?
Constant turmoil in DC. Coronavirus, with a president who thinks you should drink bleach. Republican virus deniers giving people false hopes. Trump changed his tune after getting sick. Disruption of the economy due to problems with getting people to get vaccinated. Increased unemployment, inflation, supply demand for goods and services, all under Donnie watch
Spike
08-15-2022, 07:59 PM
I hope Trump does not run. water under the bridge...
I would still vote for him over the clowns the dems have. It sickens me over what the dems are putting out there. I would vote for a dem who is middle ground, not the fucks they have been parading around. Tulsi Gabbard appears to be a good choice, the reason liberals don't like her is she is not a slave to their insane nonsense. Liberals like Omaha and Jaff wear me out. I think I will take a break from this board.
Spike
08-15-2022, 08:08 PM
Things were better?
Constant turmoil in DC. Coronavirus, with a president who thinks you should drink bleach. Republican virus deniers giving people false hopes. Trump changed his tune after getting sick. Disruption of the economy due to problems with getting people to get vaccinated. Increased unemployment, inflation, supply demand for goods and services, all under Donnie watch
Yes, things were better. Anyone with a brain knows that.
Constant turmoil was due to the dumbacrats not accepting a person who would not stoop to their level of dumbness. Inflation? That has been under your boy toy Biden. Jaff, take Trump out of the equation, has this administration made your life any better? If you respond yes, tell me how?
Yes, things were better. Anyone with a brain knows that.
Constant turmoil was due to the dumbacrats not accepting a person who would not stoop to their level of dumbness. Inflation? That has been under your boy toy Biden. Jaff, take Trump out of the equation, has this administration made your life any better? If you respond yes, tell me how?
No one has been accused of a crime? No one has tried to overthrow the government since Jan 6, still on trumps watch. Both republican senators voted against a cap on insulin prices. Not voting for them ever.
How can you still side with trump when the stole top secret material and didnt have it in a secure location? No former president has top secret material around the house. It is stored in a secure location, near the location of the former president. Oh, and it takes 2 months or more to have papers declassified. And they are stamped, declassified. None of trumps papers had been cleared, he had illegally taken them to florida.
Spike
08-16-2022, 12:14 AM
No one has been accused of a crime? No one has tried to overthrow the government since Jan 6, still on trumps watch. Both republican senators voted against a cap on insulin prices. Not voting for them ever.
How can you still side with trump when the stole top secret material and didnt have it in a secure location? No former president has top secret material around the house. It is stored in a secure location, near the location of the former president. Oh, and it takes 2 months or more to have papers declassified. And they are stamped, declassified. None of trumps papers had been cleared, he had illegally taken them to florida.
No one has been charged with a crime because dems don't do that to their own. Did you forget Hillary? Did you forget the Bidens?
Look, I'm with Racehorse, I sincerely hope Trump doesn't run for president either. I just don't like the hypocrisy.
No one has been charged with a crime because dems don't do that to their own. Did you forget Hillary? Did you forget the Bidens?
Look, I'm with Racehorse, I sincerely hope Trump doesn't run for president either. I just don't like the hypocrisy.
Not talking about Hillary, I didnt vote for her. I didnt leave the GOP, it left me. When the leaders of the GOP pledged allegiance to trump and not this country, I was done.
Oh, and how in the hell did Jared Kushner secure a $2 billion investment from the Saudis, for his new firm ?
Ethics experts say that such a deal creates the appearance of potential payback for Mr. Kushner’s actions in the White House — or of a bid for future favor if Mr. Trump seeks and wins another presidential term in 2024.
Mr. Kushner played a leading role inside the Trump administration defending Crown Prince Mohammed after U.S. intelligence agencies concluded that he had approved the 2018 killing and dismemberment of Jamal Khashoggi, a Saudi columnist for The Washington Post and resident of Virginia who had criticized the kingdom’s rulers.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html
Oh, and the GOP had 4 years to deal with Hunter Biden. He is a walking pile of pig shit, yet the GOP couldnt find anything on him except that he’s an ahole.
I’ve had it with both major parties.
Donnie is a gone past being a terrible politician, Trump has gone past the legal norms, he wants total obedience and total loyalty. To HIM, not the nation. Not the constitution. And now he is turning his minions to attack the FBI.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/12/politics/fbi-threats-maralago-trump-search/index.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/law-enforcement-threats-online-after-trump-mar-a-lago-search/
Donnie is a wanna be mob boss. Hopefully he gets to do some federal time with his NY friends in a federal facility.
Racehorse
08-16-2022, 06:33 AM
I would still vote for him over the clowns the dems have. It sickens me over what the dems are putting out there. I would vote for a dem who is middle ground, not the fucks they have been parading around. Tulsi Gabbard appears to be a good choice, the reason liberals don't like her is she is not a slave to their insane nonsense. Liberals like Omaha and Jaff wear me out. I think I will take a break from this board.
I would vote for him over most democrat clowns that run, but I hope he does not run, or at least does not get the nomination. Yeah, the economy was better, but the unrest in public arenas because of his dumb tweets, though calculated to do so, made it seem like the 60s all over again. I like peace over that stuff.
Longtime Trump Organization CFO expected to plead guilty to tax charges, say sources
https://abcnews.go.com/US/longtime-trump-organization-cfo-expected-plead-guilty-tax/story?id=88416077
The Trump Organization's longtime chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, is expected to plead guilty to tax charges as soon as this week, sources familiar with the matter told ABC News.
Weisselberg, 75, is currently scheduled to go on trial in the fall, but a hearing in the case is now scheduled for this Thursday, in what could be a sign that he could change his plea then.
An attorney for Weisselberg declined to comment when contacted by ABC News.
MORE: Trump Organization CFO to stand trial in October on alleged tax fraud
Weisselberg, along with former President Donald Trump's namesake family real estate firm, was charged last year with tax fraud after they were accused of compensating employees "off the books" in order to pay less in taxes.
According to the charging documents, Weisselberg avoided taxes on more than $1.7 million over the past 15 years, resulting from the payment of his rent on an apartment in a Trump-owned building and related expenses that prosecutors said included cars and private school tuition for his grandchildren.
The Trump Organization is proceeding to trial, the sources said, with the case currently scheduled to begin toward the end of October.
News of the development was first reported by The New York Times.
PHOTO: Allen Weisselberg, Donald Trump's long-serving chief financial officer, surrenders to authorities in New York, July 1, 2021.
Allen Weisselberg, Donald Trump's long-serving chief financial officer, surrenders to authorities in New York, July 1, 2021.
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It was not immediately clear whether the terms of Weisselberg's plea would require him to cooperate with the ongoing investigation.
However, sources said Weisselberg is expected to serve some prison time.
Last week, Weisselberg lost his motion to have the indictment against him thrown out.
Lov2fish
08-16-2022, 05:23 PM
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This image shows all you need to know about politicians. There have been plentiful opportunities for either party to flatten or bend this curve, they have not. Meet the new boss, exactly the fucking same as the old boss, and the circus continues. There is no difference in party, just the people who keep them in power.
omahacolt
08-16-2022, 06:42 PM
Yes, things were better. Anyone with a brain knows that.
Constant turmoil was due to the dumbacrats not accepting a person who would not stoop to their level of dumbness. Inflation? That has been under your boy toy Biden. Jaff, take Trump out of the equation, has this administration made your life any better? If you respond yes, tell me how?
if you actually look at the numbers, things were great when trump took over and were complete shit at the end.
trump printed a ton of money. where do you think this inflation comes from?
omahacolt
08-16-2022, 06:44 PM
I would still vote for him over the clowns the dems have. It sickens me over what the dems are putting out there. I would vote for a dem who is middle ground, not the fucks they have been parading around. Tulsi Gabbard appears to be a good choice, the reason liberals don't like her is she is not a slave to their insane nonsense. Liberals like Omaha and Jaff wear me out. I think I will take a break from this board.
i'm not a liberal. but i understand why you would think of me as one. since i shit on your hero. i do that because he deserves it. if the republicans could start being normal again, i would be much happier.
and also, its just a conversation. no need to get all worked up. nobody is attacking you. you don't have to pretend to be a victim. people like you who stay in their comfort places/echo chambers, could really use some information that isn't right wing propaganda.
omahacolt
08-16-2022, 06:49 PM
I don't need to fool anyone. I really don't give a shit what you or anyone else thinks. I will never apologize for my beliefs.
Under Trump life was better, under these old decrepit dems, life is worst True or false? Let the FBI do their job??? Laughable when they didn't do their job in the past. Fuck off with this nonsense, liberals never cease to amaze me with their loyalty to communism/socialism. I will tell you again, don't fucking judge me Omaha, you don't fucking know me. I just tell you what I believe, if you don't like it, well fuck off. The truth is Trump was way better than Biden.
mmmmm no. he wasn't. thats just what fox news tells you. trump was a complete disaster as a president and the numbers speak to that.
omahacolt
08-16-2022, 06:51 PM
No one has been charged with a crime because dems don't do that to their own. Did you forget Hillary? Did you forget the Bidens?
Look, I'm with Racehorse, I sincerely hope Trump doesn't run for president either. I just don't like the hypocrisy.
so they are criminals but aren't being investigated because of a left wing conspiracy?
where is the evidence?
Racehorse
08-17-2022, 06:32 AM
i'm not a liberal. but i understand why you would think of me as one. since i shit on your hero. i do that because he deserves it. if the republicans could start being normal again, i would be much happier.
and also, its just a conversation. no need to get all worked up. nobody is attacking you. you don't have to pretend to be a victim. people like you who stay in their comfort places/echo chambers, could really use some information that isn't right wing propaganda.
There were a lot who got very vocal during the Trump presidency in support of the guy. For some of them, the rabid nature of their support truly scared me. I am ready for the guy to go away. Not to jail, per se, just away.
AlwaysSunnyinIndy
08-17-2022, 08:23 AM
I am ready for the guy to go away. Not to jail, per se, just away.
Like to a nursing home.
The dude is just too old for that job.
So is Biden.
Maybe both Trump and Biden could retire together to the same nursing home complex and their next election battle could be for the president of the Shady Hills Nursing Home.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-never-pays-his-bills-truth-social-reportedly-stiffs-contractor-amid-financial-disarray/ar-AA118rua?cvid=b2cd779f1fe14221907c85f9977be20d
Former President Donald Trump's Twitter knockoff Truth Social stiffed a contractor in the latest sign of financial "disarray" at the troubled social network, according to Fox Business.
Truth Social, which is headed by former Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., is in a "bitter battle" with RightForge, the network's web host and one of its largest vendors, over $1.6 million in unpaid bills, according to the report.
The company entered into an agreement with Truth Social in October. Sources told Fox Business that Truth Social made just three payments and hasn't paid anything since March. The company is now threatening legal action unless it is paid, according to the report.
RightForge CEO Martin Avila did not deny the report but told the outlet he would not comment on "any private matters."
"RightForge believes in the mission of President Trump's free speech platform and wish to continue supporting the president in his media endeavors," he said in a statement.
A spokesperson for Truth Social likewise did not deny the allegations.
Trump and his companies have a long record of stiffing contractors. "Trump never pays his bills," tweeted Jeff Jarvis, a media professor and blogger.
Related
Trump's "free speech" platform Truth Social bans users who post footage from Jan. 6 hearings
RightForge, which aims to provide right-wingers with alternatives to Silicon Valley products, previously announced big plans for Truth Social. Avila told Axios last year that the company was "laying the groundwork" for Truth Social to compete with Twitter and have more than 75 million users.
"If you believe that the president should be de-platformed, we believe that you're not really interested in living in a free country," he told the outlet. "And that's really what we're all about is making sure that America stays true to its core ideas, and that the marketplace of ideas stays open."
But less than a year later, the company is accusing Truth Social of breach of contract.
The network got off to a disastrous launch as users were plagued by technical glitches, outages and an extensive waitlist. Truth Social's planned merger with Digital World Acquisition Corp., a special purpose acquisition company (SPAC), has been indefinitely delayed amid questions about its financial health. The blank check company is facing a Securities and Exchange Commission investigation into whether it illegally negotiated the Truth Social deal before going public. The company was also subpoenaed by a federal grand jury in New York last month amid a Justice Department investigation into the merger.
The probes have upended the two sides' business plans. Digital World said that the investigations "could materially delay, materially impede, or prevent the consummation of the business combination."
The company in an SEC filing this week set a September 6 shareholder meeting to determine whether to delay the deadline to finalize the merger and warned that it could go under if the merger is not completed, according to CNBC. The company warned in the filing that Trump's mounting scandals threaten to harm the deal.
"If President Trump becomes less popular or there are further controversies that damage his credibility or the desire of people to use a platform associated with him, and from which he will derive financial benefit, [Trump Media's] results of operations, as well as the outcome of the proposed Business combination, could be adversely affected," the filing said.
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Shares of Digital World have fallen by more than 42% since the start of the year.
Despite Trump's big plans for the company, Digital World said in May that it is far from certain that the venture would succeed.
"There is no operating history upon which to base any assumption as to the likelihood that [Trump Media] will prove successful and [Trump Media] may never generate any operating revenues or ever achieve profitable operations. If TMTG is unsuccessful in addressing these risks, its business will most likely fail," Digital World said in a regulatory filing, adding that Truth Social does not yet generate revenue and may not until at least next year.
Trump has also complained about his app's absence from the Android app store, with the app only available for download on iOS devices.
"Is Google trying to f**k me?" he questioned over the spring, according to Rolling Stone, even though a source told the outlet at the time that Truth Social had not even submitted an app for Google to review because it was still in development.
The former president suffered another setback after the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office denied his application to trademark "Truth Social." The office determined that the company's name is "confusingly similar" to the social media platform Vero – True Social and the Truth Network, a Christian radio network.
"Ideally," trademark attorney Josh Gerben, who surfaced the filing, told Axios, "you would pick a name where this wasn't going to happen."
Lov2fish
08-26-2022, 08:39 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-never-pays-his-bills-truth-social-reportedly-stiffs-contractor-amid-financial-disarray/ar-AA118rua?cvid=b2cd779f1fe14221907c85f9977be20d
Former President Donald Trump's Twitter knockoff Truth Social stiffed a contractor in the latest sign of financial "disarray" at the troubled social network, according to Fox Business.
Truth Social, which is headed by former Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., is in a "bitter battle" with RightForge, the network's web host and one of its largest vendors, over $1.6 million in unpaid bills, according to the report.
The company entered into an agreement with Truth Social in October. Sources told Fox Business that Truth Social made just three payments and hasn't paid anything since March. The company is now threatening legal action unless it is paid, according to the report.
RightForge CEO Martin Avila did not deny the report but told the outlet he would not comment on "any private matters."
"RightForge believes in the mission of President Trump's free speech platform and wish to continue supporting the president in his media endeavors," he said in a statement.
A spokesperson for Truth Social likewise did not deny the allegations.
Trump and his companies have a long record of stiffing contractors. "Trump never pays his bills," tweeted Jeff Jarvis, a media professor and blogger.
Related
Trump's "free speech" platform Truth Social bans users who post footage from Jan. 6 hearings
RightForge, which aims to provide right-wingers with alternatives to Silicon Valley products, previously announced big plans for Truth Social. Avila told Axios last year that the company was "laying the groundwork" for Truth Social to compete with Twitter and have more than 75 million users.
"If you believe that the president should be de-platformed, we believe that you're not really interested in living in a free country," he told the outlet. "And that's really what we're all about is making sure that America stays true to its core ideas, and that the marketplace of ideas stays open."
But less than a year later, the company is accusing Truth Social of breach of contract.
The network got off to a disastrous launch as users were plagued by technical glitches, outages and an extensive waitlist. Truth Social's planned merger with Digital World Acquisition Corp., a special purpose acquisition company (SPAC), has been indefinitely delayed amid questions about its financial health. The blank check company is facing a Securities and Exchange Commission investigation into whether it illegally negotiated the Truth Social deal before going public. The company was also subpoenaed by a federal grand jury in New York last month amid a Justice Department investigation into the merger.
The probes have upended the two sides' business plans. Digital World said that the investigations "could materially delay, materially impede, or prevent the consummation of the business combination."
The company in an SEC filing this week set a September 6 shareholder meeting to determine whether to delay the deadline to finalize the merger and warned that it could go under if the merger is not completed, according to CNBC. The company warned in the filing that Trump's mounting scandals threaten to harm the deal.
"If President Trump becomes less popular or there are further controversies that damage his credibility or the desire of people to use a platform associated with him, and from which he will derive financial benefit, [Trump Media's] results of operations, as well as the outcome of the proposed Business combination, could be adversely affected," the filing said.
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Shares of Digital World have fallen by more than 42% since the start of the year.
Despite Trump's big plans for the company, Digital World said in May that it is far from certain that the venture would succeed.
"There is no operating history upon which to base any assumption as to the likelihood that [Trump Media] will prove successful and [Trump Media] may never generate any operating revenues or ever achieve profitable operations. If TMTG is unsuccessful in addressing these risks, its business will most likely fail," Digital World said in a regulatory filing, adding that Truth Social does not yet generate revenue and may not until at least next year.
Trump has also complained about his app's absence from the Android app store, with the app only available for download on iOS devices.
"Is Google trying to f**k me?" he questioned over the spring, according to Rolling Stone, even though a source told the outlet at the time that Truth Social had not even submitted an app for Google to review because it was still in development.
The former president suffered another setback after the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office denied his application to trademark "Truth Social." The office determined that the company's name is "confusingly similar" to the social media platform Vero – True Social and the Truth Network, a Christian radio network.
"Ideally," trademark attorney Josh Gerben, who surfaced the filing, told Axios, "you would pick a name where this wasn't going to happen."
How many social media platforms are needed to say the same fucking thing. One less, good.
How many social media platforms are needed to say the same fucking thing. One less, good.
https://nypost.com/2022/08/26/donald-trumps-truth-social-app-facing-financial-fallout/
Social Truth not paying their bills, another Donnie half ass operation going under
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