Doyle on Kaepernick

[JAFF]

Doyel: Colin Kaepernick is more dangerous than Deshaun Watson or Tyreek Hill?

We’re nearing closure on Colin Kaepernick, but it shouldn’t end this way. It can’t end this way, not with one side claiming victory and the other side claiming martyrdom and both sides holding up Kaepernick not as a mirror, but as a looking glass. You know, to stare right through as we judge the other side.

You remember Kaepernick, the guy who took a knee and started a movement that tore through the NFL, then other sports, then other countries. When this whole thing began, Kaepernick was a quarterback for the San Francisco 49ers.

When it ends – and it ends soon – will he be a quarterback or a martyr?

Let me tell you something: Neither side wants him to be a martyr. Not you on the left, not you on the right. This country doesn’t need that, using Kaepernick as a wishbone and pulling, pulling, pulling until we’re just a little more splintered.


Would someone in the NFL, a league that considers itself so macho, find the courage to let this man into training camp? So he can give the game one last try? And everyone can move on?

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Colin Kaepernick was the first protester. He is no longer in the league. (2016 AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)
Scarier than Deshaun Watson?

Seriously, if you’re on the right side of the aisle, you don’t want the blackballing of Colin Kaepernick to be the way this story ends. Those of us not on the right, but in the right, we’ll use that as a hammer forever. And we’ll be correct:

The quarterback-starved NFL ignored a quarterback who once reached the Super Bowl, a quarterback still in his prime, because the league was terrified of a portion of its white fanbase.


Is that who we want to be, here in America? A country that encourages an NFL team to give a $230 million contract to Deshaun Watson, accused of sexual assault by 22 different women, but intimidates its NFL franchises into ignoring a quarterback guilty only of protesting racial injustice?

The way this story is going, the way it is ending, has almost nothing to do with Kaepernick’s ability to play quarterback. Not anymore. Frankly, I doubt he could still do it. There are some who would argue he wasn’t able to do it in his final year in the NFL, back in 2016 – has it really been that long? – when he started 11 games, and the 49ers lost 10 of them.


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There are numbers within the numbers: Kaepernick threw 16 touchdowns with just four interceptions, which is very good. He completed just 59.2% of his passes, which is very bad. He ran for 468 yards in 11 starts: good. He fumbled nine times: bad. His passer rating of 90.7 was 17th in the league (not great), but still above his career passer rating of 88.9 – and in his career, Kaepernick led the 49ers to two NFC title games and one Super Bowl in five seasons as a starter (great).

But the 49ers were 1-10 in 2016. Bad.


See what you want in those numbers, but believe this: Kaepernick would be a shell of himself now. People in the NFL like to say playing quarterback in their league is the hardest position in sports, and they’re probably right, because the mental requirements are every bit as demanding as the physical.

At age 34, Kaepernick’s arm and legs might well be as fantastic as they were when he last played at age 29. But his ability to read a defense, to react, to make the split-second decisions required play after play? No chance. This is not a position where a player can spend five years out of the game and come back with the same ability as before to see the field.

Understand what I’m saying there. Kaepernick isn’t merely a smart man, but borderline brilliant. He scored a 38 on the Wonderlic test given to NFL draft prospects, and this is information that came out in 2015, back when nobody cared about – or even knew – how Kaepernick felt about the social issues around him. He scored one point higher than Andrew Luck, three higher than Aaron Rodgers and seven points higher, ahem, than I did when I took it for fun 10 years ago.


Kaepernick’s intelligence is beyond question. His ability to play NFL quarterback in 2022, after six years off? That, to me anyway, also is beyond question. As in: I’m sure he couldn’t do it.

So what harm would it be for someone – how about you, Jim Irsay? – to give him a shot?

Scarier than Tyreek Hill?

The NFL is a place where Tyreek Hill can be rewarded repeatedly for his 4.25-second speed in the 40-yard dash, including a three-year, $54 million contract in 2019 from the Kansas City Chiefs, who drafted him in 2016 despite his guilty plea to charges that he choked and punched – in the stomach – his pregnant girlfriend.

Three years after that baby was born, the child suffered a broken arm. The Johnson County, Missouri, district attorney’s office determined a crime had occurred, but couldn’t prove who had injured the child. Charges were not filed, though in a leaked audio recording the child’s mom was heard telling Hill, “He’s terrified of you.”

To which Hill replied: “You need to be terrified of me, too, b–– .”

That was 2019. This offseason, the Miami Dolphins gave the Chiefs almost an entire draft’s worth of future picks for Hill, then signed him to a four-year, $120 million extension.

Because that’s where we are, in this world: NFL teams aren’t afraid to pay a fortune for Deshaun Watson or Tyreek Hill, but they’re terrified to let Colin Kaepernick into training camp. The Cleveland Browns and Miami Dolphins, like every other NFL team that would have acquired either player if given the chance – and there were plenty – aren’t worried their business will suffer with someone like Watson or Hill on roster.

Someone like Colin Kaepernick?

Now, that’s dangerous.

[Spike]

Fuck Kaepernick and all of his propaganda bullshit. This idiot compared the NFL Draft combine process to slavery, WTF!!!! Wouldn't want his sorry ass on the Colts that's for damn sure.

[Hoopsdoc]

Didn’t he blow off a special workout set up by the NFL for him only?

Does he even WANT to play?

[Hoopsdoc]

Fuck Kaepernick and all of his propaganda bullshit. This idiot compared the NFL Draft combine process to slavery, WTF!!!! Wouldn't want his sorry ass on the Colts that's for damn sure.

Kap is a douchebag for sure but at this point I’d like to see some team try to sign him for 2 reasons-

1. I honestly don’t believe he’d sign somewhere just to be a backup. I think he feels like he deserves to be a starter and that’s not true by a long shot. That wasn’t true already the last season he played.

2. If someone genuinely tries to give him a job, if nothing else, it will shut up guys like Doyle and Florio from sobbing about how wronged he was. And that seems like it’s constant these days.

So offer the man a contract Jim.

[Spike]

Didn’t he blow off a special workout set up by the NFL for him only?

Does he even WANT to play?

Yep, he blew off the workout too. As far as wanting to play, I doubt it. He just wants to remain relevant so he can keep spewing his BS.

[Spike]

Kap is a douchebag for sure but at this point I’d like to see some team try to sign him for 2 reasons-

1. I honestly don’t believe he’d sign somewhere just to be a backup. I think he feels like he deserves to be a starter and that’s not true by a long shot. That wasn’t true already the last season he played.

2. If someone genuinely tries to give him a job, if nothing else, it will shut up guys like Doyle and Florio from sobbing about how wronged he was. And that seems like it’s constant these days.

So offer the man a contract Jim.

Let those two slobber knockers cry, Kaep wasn't wronged, he flat out sucked. And with all the excess baggage that goes with him, NO Thanks! Just let him make more lies for Netflix films.

[JAFF]

Wow, but its ok for watson and hill to have jobs, because they just abuse, beat or act as sexual predators.

[JAFF]

Yep, he blew off the workout too. As far as wanting to play, I doubt it. He just wants to remain relevant so he can keep spewing his BS.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/16/nfl-says-it-is-disappointed-colin-kaepernick-did-not-appear/

[Spike]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/16/nfl-says-it-is-disappointed-colin-kaepernick-did-not-appear/

Kaepernick doesn't get to dictate his terms. He could take it or leave it.

[Spike]

Wow, but its ok for watson and hill to have jobs, because they just abuse, beat or act as sexual predators.

I never said that.

[JAFF]

I never said that.

Yeah, I know. Thats what the article is about. Go read it

[Racehorse]

Yeah, I know. Thats what the article is about. Go read it

well, I read it, and I still think Doyel is the biggest tool in journalism. Kaep Isn't out of the league because he is terrifying as a person. His ability to play quarterback is terrifying for the GM who would take a risk on him. That said, i wish some sucker of a GM would sin the guy to end all the shit show that it has become.

[Spike]

Yeah, I know. Thats what the article is about. Go read it

I did read it. Watson and Hill are damn good players, and NFL teams will always give those guys opportunities. Not saying it is the right thing, but that is what it is. Kaep is not a good player, therefore NFL teams don't give a rat's ass about him. Make no mistake about it, Kaep, even with all of his baggage would be in the NFL if he was as good as Watson or Hill, but he just fucking isn't, not even close.

[Hoopsdoc]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/16/nfl-says-it-is-disappointed-colin-kaepernick-did-not-appear/

Right, he blew off the special workout session that the NFL set up SOLELY FOR HIM to showcase his talent to every team in the league. And he did it like an hour before the workout was scheduled to begin.

He either doesn’t actually want to play or he’s so arrogant that he wants the NFL to cater to him, which they aren’t going to do. Nor should they.

Either way, he looks terrible.

[Hoopsdoc]

Wow, but its ok for watson and hill to have jobs, because they just abuse, beat or act as sexual predators.

Adrian Peterson, Tyreek Hill, Ezekiel Elliot, Deshaun Watson, they got second chances because they were good.

Ray Rice, Chad Wheeler, Greg Hardy, those guys didn’t get second chances because they weren’t good enough anymore to be worth the hassle.

It’s really pretty simple.

If Kap was good enough, he’d have a job.

[JAFF]

Adrian Peterson, Tyreek Hill, Ezekiel Elliot, Deshaun Watson, they got second chances because they were good.

Ray Rice, Chad Wheeler, Greg Hardy, those guys didn’t get second chances because they weren’t good enough anymore to be worth the hassle.

It’s really pretty simple.

If Kap was good enough, he’d have a job.

So being a wife beater is ok if it gets your team to the super bowl, got it.

[Hoopsdoc]

So being a wife beater is ok if it gets your team to the super bowl, got it.

More or less, yes.

[rm1369]

I did read it. Watson and Hill are damn good players, and NFL teams will always give those guys opportunities. Not saying it is the right thing, but that is what it is. Kaep is not a good player, therefore NFL teams don't give a rat's ass about him. Make no mistake about it, Kaep, even with all of his baggage would be in the NFL if he was as good as Watson or Hill, but he just fucking isn't, not even close.

Make no mistake about it, Kap would still be in the league if he had never kneeled. If you don’t believe that you are lying to yourself. He committed the ultimate sin to a large portion of the NFL base. He’d have been better to brag about grabbing women by the pussy or beating them. That’s forgivable.

[rm1369]

More or less, yes.

Didn’t Kap make a super bowl? So beating women is not as bad as calling out racial injustice. Pretty much what Doyle is saying.

[Hoopsdoc]

Didn’t Kap make a super bowl? So beating women is not as bad as calling out racial injustice. Pretty much what Doyle is saying.

Why do you guys insist on doing this?

I made no comment on whether what Kap did was as bad as what anyone else did. I made no comment AT ALL about that.

Yet, you want to imply that I’m saying kneeling for the anthem is worse then domestic violence.

It’s REALLY annoying and it makes it look like you have nothing else to offer. That you really have no argument beyond an emotional response.

It’s really really simple-Kap would be in the NFL if he was good enough to be worth the blowback a team would get for signing him.

That’s the bottom line.

You can have whatever opinion you want about whether that blowback is warranted or not.

[Lov2fish]

Why do you guys insist on doing this?

I made no comment on whether what Kap did was as bad as what anyone else did. I made no comment AT ALL about that.

Yet, you want to imply that I’m saying kneeling for the anthem is worse then domestic violence.

It’s REALLY annoying and it makes it look like you have nothing else to offer. That you really have no argument beyond an emotional response.

It’s really really simple-Kap would be in the NFL if he was good enough to be worth the blowback a team would get for signing him.

That’s the bottom line.

You can have whatever opinion you want about whether that blowback is warranted or not.

Its because virtue signaling is all they have. Bottom line is Kaep sucks at QB or he would be playing football. The NFL is a business and if he was good enough to be in the limelight, he would be. Sometimes the answer is so simple that others just can't accept it without injecting their feelz into it, like their feelings are important. News flash, they're not when it comes to the bottom line.

[ChaosTheory]

Didn’t Kap make a super bowl? So beating women is not as bad as calling out racial injustice. Pretty much what Doyle is saying.

So did a 28-year-old Trent Dilfer with Tampa Bay. The very next season he was backing up Matt Hasselbeck in Seattle. And he remained a backup until he retired at 35. Kaepernick played well for about a season-and-a-half. His success diminished when that loaded SF team started losing pieces and then he got injured.

He could not win the starting job over Blaine Gabbert. Blaine Gabbert then played horribly and Kaepernick got another shot. Team continued to suck with him at QB. The next season, SF was done with both of these guys and brought in Garoppolo.

If the dude actually wanted to play football, that's one thing. The private workout thing shows he didn't really want to play. It was for publicity and when their crew wasn't going to be able to go in their and film their tv commercial, they bailed.

One of the comments on that article was on point:

"Guy complains about being unemployed. Guy decides to skip job interview."

[rm1369]

It’s really really simple-Kap would be in the NFL if he was good enough to be worth the blowback a team would get for signing him.



Yep you nailed it. Which is exactly the point of the article. In a league starving for QBs a guy that would be at worst a very good backup was essentially blacklisted by a certain demographic for the sin of high lighting racial injustices in this country. Yet that same demographic will gladly cheer for a woman beater or a pussy grabber - as long as they don’t bring up race and are “good enough”. That’s essentially the point of the article- yet the majority of the responses are on how bad Kap is as a QB, which is complete BS compared to what else is in the league. But I don’t expect much acknowledgement of that from most on here - because it makes them feel same and secure to say it isn’t about race, just performance.

[rm1369]

Its because virtue signaling is all they have. Bottom line is Kaep sucks at QB or he would be playing football. The NFL is a business and if he was good enough to be in the limelight, he would be. Sometimes the answer is so simple that others just can't accept it without injecting their feelz into it, like their feelings are important. News flash, they're not when it comes to the bottom line.

Please your pussy is so sensitive you can’t acknowledge race has a bearing in Kap not playing football, yet others are fragile. Fuck off snowflake

[rm1369]

So did a 28-year-old Trent Dilfer with Tampa Bay. The very next season he was backing up Matt Hasselbeck in Seattle. And he remained a backup until he retired at 35. Kaepernick played well for about a season-and-a-half. His success diminished when that loaded SF team started losing pieces and then he got injured.

He could not win the starting job over Blaine Gabbert. Blaine Gabbert then played horribly and Kaepernick got another shot. Team continued to suck with him at QB. The next season, SF was done with both of these guys and brought in Garoppolo.

If the dude actually wanted to play football, that's one thing. The private workout thing shows he didn't really want to play. It was for publicity and when their crew wasn't going to be able to go in their and film their tv commercial, they bailed.

One of the comments on that article was on point:

"Guy complains about being unemployed. Guy decides to skip job interview."

I don’t think anyone claims Kap is a superstar, but that same Blaine Gabbert is still in the league and he’s never been as good as Kap was. Kap at a minimum would be a high level backup. He’s not for only one reason - he kneeled and certain people didn’t like it. That’s it. The rest is complete BS trying not to acknowledge the truth.

As far as the workout, the fact the NFL was offering a workout (not teams) and they settled with him tells you the reality of the situation. I mean the NFL does that with all backup level QBs right? Yeah, exactly.

[Hoopsdoc]

Please your pussy is so sensitive you can’t acknowledge race has a bearing in Kap not playing football, yet others are fragile. Fuck off snowflake

It’s not racist to be offended by someone kneeling for the national anthem.

[ChaosTheory]

I don’t think anyone claims Kap is a superstar, but that same Blaine Gabbert is still in the league and he’s never been as good as Kap was. Kap at a minimum would be a high level backup. He’s not for only one reason - he kneeled and certain people didn’t like it. That’s it. The rest is complete BS trying not to acknowledge the truth.

As far as the workout, the fact the NFL was offering a workout (not teams) and they settled with him tells you the reality of the situation. I mean the NFL does that with all backup level QBs right? Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, Gabbert has a desire to play football and accepted his role as a backup. Kaepernick did not. He gained more fame and money and influence as a professional activist than he could've every dreamed making in the NFL.

Why would he want to go be a backup QB somewhere? He didn't want to.

[IndyNorm]

People seem to misremember that Kaepernick went from the Superbowl to NCF championship to protesting to being cut in back to back to back years. That's not what happened. After the '13 NFCC his play significantly regressed in '14 and then he was so god awful in '15 that he was benched for Blaine Gabbert halfway through the season. How bad do you have to be to get benched for Gabbert? Then the following preseason is when all of the protesting started when BTW he was still a back up to Gabbert.

Another thing that never comes up that IMO has a lot of do with no one signing him is how much money did he want back then and does he want now? We know that he walked away from ~$15M when he opted out of the final year for his contract with SF in '17, so one can presume that he thought he should still be a starter in the league or at least make starter like money. If you have a guy who hasn't been any good for 3 years asking for starter like money then you're probably not going to bring him in to begin with. Then add in the head ache and media shit storm that's going to come in with him, and you're not going to touch him.

As for now, it's been reported that he wanted $20M to play for the AAF. No fucking way even a bad NFL GM will give him that kind of money. Can you imagine how pissed off we'd be if Ballard signed a back QB who hadn't been in the league for 5 years and played well for 8 instead of putting that cap hit towards LT, WR, CB, etc.?

[rm1369]

People seem to misremember that Kaepernick went from the Superbowl to NCF championship to protesting to being cut in back to back to back years. That's not what happened. After the '13 NFCC his play significantly regressed in '14 and then he was so god awful in '15 that he was benched for Blaine Gabbert halfway through the season. How bad do you have to be to get benched for Gabbert? Then the following preseason is when all of the protesting started when BTW he was still a back up to Gabbert.

Another thing that never comes up that IMO has a lot of do with no one signing him is how much money did he want back then and does he want now? We know that he walked away from ~$15M when he opted out of the final year for his contract with SF in '17, so one can presume that he thought he should still be a starter in the league or at least make starter like money. If you have a guy who hasn't been any good for 3 years asking for starter like money then you're probably not going to bring him in to begin with. Then add in the head ache and media shit storm that's going to come in with him, and you're not going to touch him.

As for now, it's been reported that he wanted $20M to play for the AAF. No fucking way even a bad NFL GM will give him that kind of money. Can you imagine how pissed off we'd be if Ballard signed a back QB who hadn't been in the league for 5 years and played well for 8 instead of putting that cap hit towards LT, WR, CB, etc.?

Should have all been very easy for the league to prove how much he sucked and didn’t want to play if he was constantly turning down offers. Instead, in a very high profile case they gave him a very big settlement.

[IndyNorm]

Right, he blew off the special workout session that the NFL set up SOLELY FOR HIM to showcase his talent to every team in the league. And he did it like an hour before the workout was scheduled to begin.

He either doesn’t actually want to play or he’s so arrogant that he wants the NFL to cater to him, which they aren’t going to do. Nor should they.

Either way, he looks terrible.

Exactly. After reading the article it's obvious Kaepernick didn't actually want to work out in front of all of the NFL teams, he wanted to make it look like the NFL wasn't giving him a chance so he could cry discrimination louder. He had all of these over and above demands that the NFL agreed to meet, and when they unexpectedly did then he makes even more demands to the point of ridiculousness so the NFL bailed. He tried to change the NFL's standard waiver on the fly for fucks sake. No way any of the NFL lawyers would sign off on that.

[rm1369]

It’s not racist to be offended by someone kneeling for the national anthem.

Lee Atwater had a fairly famous quote that I believe applies to what I believe about the situation. It goes right along with the cries about “erasing history” when taking down monuments to confederate soldiers while also passing anti-CRT legislation to make sure you control how history is taught. The venn diagram for those three things would nearly be a circle. And to be fair, some of it isn’t blatant racism, it’s willful indifference. Willful indifference on the treatment of fellow Americans by people so caught up in “patriotism” they foam at the mouth when someone quietly kneels.

[Hoopsdoc]

Lee Atwater had a fairly famous quote that I believe applies to what I believe about the situation. It goes right along with the cries about “erasing history” when taking down monuments to confederate soldiers while also passing anti-CRT legislation to make sure you control how history is taught. The venn diagram for those three things would nearly be a circle. And to be fair, some of it isn’t blatant racism, it’s willful indifference. Willful indifference on the treatment of fellow Americans by people so caught up in “patriotism” they foam at the mouth when someone quietly kneels.

There are black guys who knelt during the anthem who are still playing today. It’s not about race for most people.

World War 2 was just a generation ago, Vietnam and Korea less than a generation. A LOT of people had family members or know people who fought and died in those wars. The flag means a whole hell of a lot to them. Same for people who are in the military now.

It’s pretty unfair to label all those people as racist.

[rm1369]

There are black guys who knelt during the anthem who are still playing today. It’s not about race for most people.

World War 2 was just a generation ago, Vietnam and Korea less than a generation. A LOT of people had family members or know people who fought and died in those wars. The flag means a whole hell of a lot to them. Same for people who are in the military now.

It’s pretty unfair to label all those people as racist.

I’m a vet and I can tell you military status has very little to do with your view on kneeling. In fact a poll on VA.org shows 49% to 45% don’t view kneeling as disrespectful. As I’ve pointed out, the cross over between those who think kneeling is disrespectful, those who think removing confederate statues is wrong (people who killed US soldiers), and those supporting anti-CRT legislation is very, very high. That same group also largely supported a president who started making a name for himself by using race and you can clearly see it with their current politicians doing just what Atwater said. So it’s not about race, but coincidentally they keep consistently coming out on the side that racists do.

And you know what else isn’t really that long ago? The civil rights movement, Jim Crow, and lynchings. But that same group pretends that’s ancient history, so spare me on WWII - where African Americans were sent to die and then denied GI Bills their white counterparts received. If you care about the flag but not the people it represents you aren’t a fucking patriot. Doesn’t make anyone racist, just indifferent and selfish.

[Hoopsdoc]

I’m a vet and I can tell you military status has very little to do with your view on kneeling. In fact a poll on VA.org shows 49% to 45% don’t view kneeling as disrespectful. As I’ve pointed out, the cross over between those who think kneeling is disrespectful, those who think removing confederate statues is wrong (people who killed US soldiers), and those supporting anti-CRT legislation is very, very high. That same group also largely supported a president who started making a name for himself by using race and you can clearly see it with their current politicians doing just what Atwater said. So it’s not about race, but coincidentally they keep consistently coming out on the side that racists do.

And you know what else isn’t really that long ago? The civil rights movement, Jim Crow, and lynchings. But that same group pretends that’s ancient history, so spare me on WWII - where African Americans were sent to die and then denied GI Bills their white counterparts received. If you care about the flag but not the people it represents you aren’t a fucking patriot. Doesn’t make anyone racist, just indifferent and selfish.

So a majority of the armed forces views the kneeling as disrespectful. That’s what I said, I believe.

You can make the jump all you want that racism is mainly to blame, but that’s your opinion. Reality says differently. The poll you cited says differently.

Also, you can stop bringing up Trump. I hated that jackass, but he has nothing to do with what we’re discussing, except for your desire to connect him and his supporters with racism.

[Chromeburn]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/16/nfl-says-it-is-disappointed-colin-kaepernick-did-not-appear/

Well I would say that’s the nail in the coffin. 25 teams were there. Bet they loved flying out there for nothing.

[Hoopsdoc]

I’m a vet and I can tell you military status has very little to do with your view on kneeling. In fact a poll on VA.org shows 49% to 45% don’t view kneeling as disrespectful. As I’ve pointed out, the cross over between those who think kneeling is disrespectful, those who think removing confederate statues is wrong (people who killed US soldiers), and those supporting anti-CRT legislation is very, very high. That same group also largely supported a president who started making a name for himself by using race and you can clearly see it with their current politicians doing just what Atwater said. So it’s not about race, but coincidentally they keep consistently coming out on the side that racists do.

And you know what else isn’t really that long ago? The civil rights movement, Jim Crow, and lynchings. But that same group pretends that’s ancient history, so spare me on WWII - where African Americans were sent to die and then denied GI Bills their white counterparts received. If you care about the flag but not the people it represents you aren’t a fucking patriot. Doesn’t make anyone racist, just indifferent and selfish.

Also, CRT is Marxist inspired horseshit that has no business being taught in our schools, except maybe colleges.

CRT has very little to do with history. It, by its own definition, seeks to examine the societal and institutional dynamics that created what THEY view as a fundamentally and irredeemably racist society.

I don’t think this country is fundamentally and irredeemably racist and I sure as hell don’t want to teach our kids that.

[rm1369]

So a majority of the armed forces views the kneeling as disrespectful. That’s what I said, I believe.

You can make the jump all you want that racism is mainly to blame, but that’s your opinion. Reality says differently. The poll you cited says differently.

Also, you can stop bringing up Trump. I hated that jackass, but he has nothing to do with what we’re discussing, except for your desire to connect him and his supporters with racism.

No 49% don’t view it as disrespectful, 45% do. So most don’t have a problem with kneeling. Although it’s close. The point being, military membership actually tells you very little about a persons stance on the issue. You are wrong. Your political leanings are a much better indicator.

Reality says that beating a woman or fondling one is less of an issue than being the face of racial protests - the point of the article. Don’t bring of Watson or Hill, research some of the lesser known guys who still get chances. Reality says that if Kap had never knelt he would have still played in the NFL. Of course reality says all kinds of things about race in this country that the anti-kneeling crowd don’t want to address. Or they want to address as a one off individual issue - disconnected from all others. Atwater’s quote is the exact method of the current Republican Party. You can be ignorant and think Republican politicians just always come down on the same side of issues as racists if you want. As I said, doesn’t make you racist. Just willfully ignorant or selfish, IMO. You didn’t like a trump? Great. But again, being a trump supporter is an absolutely great indicator of where someone falls on this issue. Try to compartmentalize it all you want, but there is pretty big trend there. I’m not surprised some want to ignore it.

[rm1369]

Also, CRT is Marxist inspired horseshit that has no business being taught in our schools, except maybe colleges.

CRT has very little to do with history. It, by its own definition, seeks to examine the societal and institutional dynamics that created what THEY view as a fundamentally and irredeemably racist society.

I don’t think this country is fundamentally and irredeemably racist and I sure as hell don’t want to teach our kids that.

CRT is a college level theory looking at how race and our institutions are intertwined. Your description sounds like it’s right off FOX News. Not surprisingly the Republican Party has their followers believing it is regularly taught in grade schools. It’s racist propaganda horseshit. Again, Atwater 100%. Not surprisingly the same group that cried we were “erasing history” by removing statues (of people who fought against our ohh so precious flag to maintain slavery) are now whitewashing history.

I’m sure you don’t want your kids taught that slavery was enshrined in the constitution or the reasons for the 3/5ths compromise, about the trail of tears, black Wall Street or the Tulsa riots. You want to pretend race isn’t a historical issue? While lecturing me on not how long ago WWII is? We wouldn’t want to make white kids uncomfortable would we? But black kids should suck it up when their community CELEBRATES a traitorous confederate soldier who fought to keep them enslaved. I’m sure race doesn’t enter into that logic, does it?

[Hoopsdoc]

No 49% don’t view it as disrespectful, 45% do. So most don’t have a problem with kneeling. Although it’s close. The point being, military membership actually tells you very little about a persons stance on the issue. You are wrong. Your political leanings are a much better indicator.

Reality says that beating a woman or fondling one is less of an issue than being the face of racial protests - the point of the article. Don’t bring of Watson or Hill, research some of the lesser known guys who still get chances. Reality says that if Kap had never knelt he would have still played in the NFL. Of course reality says all kinds of things about race in this country that the anti-kneeling crowd don’t want to address. Or they want to address as a one off individual issue - disconnected from all others. Atwater’s quote is the exact method of the current Republican Party. You can be ignorant and think Republican politicians just always come down on the same side of issues as racists if you want. As I said, doesn’t make you racist. Just willfully ignorant or selfish, IMO. You didn’t like a trump? Great. But again, being a trump supporter is an absolutely great indicator of where someone falls on this issue. Try to compartmentalize it all you want, but there is pretty big trend there. I’m not surprised some want to ignore it.

We went through why players tend to get second chances already in this thread. It has more to do with how talented you are than anything. That’s reality, regardless of your opinion.

And again, the league went out of their way to set up a second chance for Kap and he blew it off. Why won’t you address that?

[Hoopsdoc]

CRT is a college level theory looking at how race and our institutions are intertwined. Your description sounds like it’s right off FOX News. Not surprisingly the Republican Party has their followers believing it is regularly taught in grade schools. It’s racist propaganda horseshit. Again, Atwater 100%. Not surprisingly the same group that cried we were “erasing history” by removing statues (of people who fought against our ohh so precious flag to maintain slavery) are now whitewashing history.

I’m sure you don’t want your kids taught that slavery was enshrined in the constitution or the reasons for the 3/5ths compromise, about the trail of tears, black Wall Street or the Tulsa riots. You want to pretend race isn’t a historical issue? While lecturing me on not how long ago WWII is? We wouldn’t want to make white kids uncomfortable would we? But black kids should suck it up when their community CELEBRATES a traitorous confederate soldier who fought to keep them enslaved. I’m sure race doesn’t enter into that logic, does it?

I was paraphrasing on the description but I got it from critical race theory-an introduction, a book written by 2 people who were involved in its founding. And my description wasn’t THAT different from yours, so I don’t know where you got the Fox News bit.

And yes, CRT has been taught in colleges for a long time now. The bills I’ve read seek to prevent it being taught earlier.

I’m not sure it’s necessary, but a lot of stuff gets passed that isn’t necessary.

As for the 3/5ths compromise, the trail of tears, and the Tulsa race riots, I learned all about that stuff when I went to school in the 90’s, so I’m not sure what exactly is being “whitewashed”?

[Lov2fish]

Please your pussy is so sensitive you can’t acknowledge race has a bearing in Kap not playing football, yet others are fragile. Fuck off snowflake
Awe, ain't you a special retard there was no racism involved in him not playing. It was because he sucked. Have you tried fucking off today? If not it would be a good day to give it your best effort. Fucking douchebags like you are what makes the world suck.

[rm1369]

We went through why players tend to get second chances already in this thread. It has more to do with how talented you are than anything. That’s reality, regardless of your opinion.

And again, the league went out of their way to set up a second chance for Kap and he blew it off. Why won’t you address that?

Could Kap have overcome it by being a top 5 QB in the league? Of course! No one is arguing he wouldn’t have. The point is how big the black mark was for his kneeling. It is absolutely bigger than what other players have faced for domestic violence. There is no logical argument that Kap was not good enough to play. None. The NFL settlement (before discovery I believe) certainly appears to show the NFL knew they couldn’t defend it based on performance of Kap simply wanting too much money.

People bring up Kap opting out of his contract but he was told he didn’t fit Shanahans offense and waould be released. So he opted out. He then went unsigned with at least as good a pedigree as the now twice traded Wentz. The 2nd chance was setup by then NFL (pretty unusual right) after he had settled with them for black balling him. One of the major sticking points was that the workout wasn’t public and it was also on a Saturday- a pretty weird day in the NFL schedule for such an event. My guess is he thought it was all bullshit and was private so the NFL could say he sucked and no one could counter it. I’d bet there was very little trust there. Should he have went through with it? I have no idea, but the whole circumstance from the settlement to the special workout on a Saturday in season tells me it wasn’t a typical situation. Not to mention this is now 3 years after being out of the league, so what is the defense for the years prior to the very, very strange workout?

[Spike]

Make no mistake about it, Kap would still be in the league if he had never kneeled. If you don’t believe that you are lying to yourself. He committed the ultimate sin to a large portion of the NFL base. He’d have been better to brag about grabbing women by the pussy or beating them. That’s forgivable.

Yeah, some people are always making excuses as to why someone is not allowed an opportunity, although Kaep was allowed an opportunity and blew it off. Kneeling and/or racism are not the reasons Kaep is no longer employed. It's the same reason Tebow is no longer in the NFL, they aren't worth a shit as QB's, it's as simple as that.

[Spike]

Could Kap have overcome it by being a top 5 QB in the league? Of course! No one is arguing he wouldn’t have. The point is how big the black mark was for his kneeling. It is absolutely bigger than what other players have faced for domestic violence. There is no logical argument that Kap was not good enough to play. None. The NFL settlement (before discovery I believe) certainly appears to show the NFL knew they couldn’t defend it based on performance of Kap simply wanting too much money.

People bring up Kap opting out of his contract but he was told he didn’t fit Shanahans offense and waould be released. So he opted out. He then went unsigned with at least as good a pedigree as the now twice traded Wentz. The 2nd chance was setup by then NFL (pretty unusual right) after he had settled with them for black balling him. One of the major sticking points was that the workout wasn’t public and it was also on a Saturday- a pretty weird day in the NFL schedule for such an event. My guess is he thought it was all bullshit and was private so the NFL could say he sucked and no one could counter it. I’d bet there was very little trust there. Should he have went through with it? I have no idea, but the whole circumstance from the settlement to the special workout on a Saturday in season tells me it wasn’t a typical situation. Not to mention this is now 3 years after being out of the league, so what is the defense for the years prior to the very, very strange workout?

Again with the excuses. Big fucking deal that it was on a Saturday, what the hell difference does that make. You want to be back in the NFL, show the fuck up. Bitch about how unfair it was later, at least you might have an argument there.

[rm1369]

Yeah, some people are always making excuses as to why someone is not allowed an opportunity, although Kaep was allowed an opportunity and blew it off. Kneeling and/or racism are not the reasons Kaep is no longer employed. It's the same reason Tebow is no longer in the NFL, they aren't worth a shit as QB's, it's as simple as that.

Ignore that it was several years later and after a $10m settlement. Why the gap and the settlement if it is all on Kap?

[rm1369]

Awe, ain't you a special retard there was no racism involved in him not playing. It was because he sucked. Have you tried fucking off today? If not it would be a good day to give it your best effort. Fucking douchebags like you are what makes the world suck.

Aww a snowflake needs a hug. You sound very triggered

[rm1369]

Again with the excuses. Big fucking deal that it was on a Saturday, what the hell difference does that make. You want to be back in the NFL, show the fuck up. Bitch about how unfair it was later, at least you might have an argument there.

You think NFL teams were sending decision makers on a Saturday during the season? I don’t. Looks very much like a “show”. Again, maybe Kap should have went. But if this is all on him why did he not get signed in the years prior, why did the NFL give him $10m, and why did the setup a special tryout? You want so bad to blame it all on Kap you can’t see the obvious.

[Hoopsdoc]

Could Kap have overcome it by being a top 5 QB in the league? Of course! No one is arguing he wouldn’t have. The point is how big the black mark was for his kneeling. It is absolutely bigger than what other players have faced for domestic violence. There is no logical argument that Kap was not good enough to play. None. The NFL settlement (before discovery I believe) certainly appears to show the NFL knew they couldn’t defend it based on performance of Kap simply wanting too much money.

People bring up Kap opting out of his contract but he was told he didn’t fit Shanahans offense and waould be released. So he opted out. He then went unsigned with at least as good a pedigree as the now twice traded Wentz. The 2nd chance was setup by then NFL (pretty unusual right) after he had settled with them for black balling him. One of the major sticking points was that the workout wasn’t public and it was also on a Saturday- a pretty weird day in the NFL schedule for such an event. My guess is he thought it was all bullshit and was private so the NFL could say he sucked and no one could counter it. I’d bet there was very little trust there. Should he have went through with it? I have no idea, but the whole circumstance from the settlement to the special workout on a Saturday in season tells me it wasn’t a typical situation. Not to mention this is now 3 years after being out of the league, so what is the defense for the years prior to the very, very strange workout?

What a bunch of horseshit. That reads like a bunch of half assed excuses. An opportunity was created SPECIFICALLY FOR HIM and he blew it off.

And he didn’t raise any objections right away, which he should have done. He waited until the DAY OF THE ACTUAL WORKOUT to complain and make demands.

Those aren’t the actions of someone who is genuine with their intentions, no matter how you try to paint them.

[Spike]

You think NFL teams were sending decision makers on a Saturday during the season? I don’t. Looks very much like a “show”. Again, maybe Kap should have went. But if this is all on him why did he not get signed in the years prior, why did the NFL give him $10m, and why did the setup a special tryout? You want so bad to blame it all on Kap you can’t see the obvious.

Yes, he should have definitely went. You don't think the fact that he didn't show up pissed off a lot of teams. They don't have time for his nonsense especially since he isn't good enough for it. Look, playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right. Mahomes, Wilson, L. Jackson, even Watson would still be in the NFL even if they did the same damn things Kaep did. That is just a fact.

If I recall correctly Eric Reid still was employed through the 2021 season and he also knelt with Kaep.

[rm1369]

What a bunch of horseshit. That reads like a bunch of half assed excuses. An opportunity was created SPECIFICALLY FOR HIM and he blew it off.

And he didn’t raise any objections right away, which he should have done. He waited until the DAY OF THE ACTUAL WORKOUT to complain and make demands.

Those aren’t the actions of someone who is genuine with their intentions, no matter how you try to paint them.

You are right the NFL did nothing wrong so much that they gave Kap $10m and setup a special showing just for him. Very, very nice people. Didn’t you earlier admit he just wasn’t talented enough to overcome the backlash a team would get for signing him?

[rm1369]

Yes, he should have definitely went. You don't think the fact that he didn't show up pissed off a lot of teams. They don't have time for his nonsense especially since he isn't good enough for it. Look, playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right. Mahomes, Wilson, L. Jackson, even Watson would still be in the NFL even if they did the same damn things Kaep did. That is just a fact.

If I recall correctly Eric Reid still was employed through the 2021 season and he also knelt with Kaep.

Did it piss teams off yes? So did kneeling, and so did suing them. You are right if he was a top 5 or 10 QB he’d still be in the league. He wasn’t. But if you don’t think he was good enough to earn a spot on a roster in 2017 or 2018 (before the missed “workout” you keep hanging it on) then you are simply lying to yourself. The fact is if half the US population wasn’t pissed at him and the president of the United States wasn’t calling him a “son of a bitch” then Kap would have played. He became the face of “not knowing your place” in right wing politics and that’s why he didn’t play. He’d have been better off to beat a woman than to kneel, god knows Republicans wouldn’t have cared about that.

[Spike]

Did it piss teams off yes? So did kneeling, and so did suing them. You are right if he was a top 5 or 10 QB he’d still be in the league. He wasn’t. But if you don’t think he was good enough to earn a spot on a roster in 2017 or 2018 (before the missed “workout” you keep hanging it on) then you are simply lying to yourself. The fact is if half the US population wasn’t pissed at him and the president of the United States wasn’t calling him a “son of a bitch” then Kap would have played. He became the face of “not knowing your place” in right wing politics and that’s why he didn’t play. He’d have been better off to beat a woman than to kneel, god knows Republicans wouldn’t have cared about that.

Republicans wouldn't have cared about beating women? Yeah, all republicans are evil racist bastards! Where the hell are you getting this garbage from? SMDH!

[Lov2fish]

Aww a snowflake needs a hug. You sound very triggered

I don't have triggers sugar britches.

[rm1369]

Republicans wouldn't have cared about beating women? Yeah, all republicans are evil racist bastards! Where the hell are you getting this garbage from? SMDH!

Mostly from interacting with them (I know plenty of them, including family) and paying attention to their politicians. You’ll notice I didn’t say conservatives. There can be a difference. One that is widening daily. But I think it’s pretty damn obvious they wouldn’t have reacted the way the did to Kap kneeling. Proof? Don’t see them protesting Watson or Hill do you? And do you want to talk about Herschel Walker’s history and current Senate bid? How about Trump?

[Racehorse]

Yep you nailed it. Which is exactly the point of the article. In a league starving for QBs a guy that would be at worst a very good backup was essentially blacklisted by a certain demographic for the sin of high lighting racial injustices in this country. Yet that same demographic will gladly cheer for a woman beater or a pussy grabber - as long as they don’t bring up race and are “good enough”. That’s essentially the point of the article- yet the majority of the responses are on how bad Kap is as a QB, which is complete BS compared to what else is in the league. But I don’t expect much acknowledgement of that from most on here - because it makes them feel same and secure to say it isn’t about race, just performance.

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[rm1369]

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Should have been easy for the NFL to prove. I wondered why they gave him $10m?

[Racehorse]

Should have been easy for the NFL to prove. I wondered why they gave him $10m?

He was offered a backup QB spot, and turned it down.

[rm1369]

He was offered a backup QB spot, and turned it down.

Where? To my knowledge that was a rumor denied by Kap and never substantiated by any team

[Racehorse]

Where? To my knowledge that was a rumor denied by Kap and never substantiated by any team

I don't recall where. It was reported a few years ago.

[rm1369]

I don't recall where. It was reported a few years ago.

If true I doubt the NFL settles

[Racehorse]

If true I doubt the NFL settles

You have your opinion. I have mine. Rarely do facts matter when we discuss this issue. You believe what you want. It is a free country, after all. The stats on Kaep his last year are facts, not opinion. The circus he created with the workout is a fact, not an opinion. I could give two shits about the kneeling. Free speech is a real thing. The whole forced patriotism with professional sports is kind of creepy to me. The dude just stunk it up his last season, and then he started pretending to be a martyr.

[Hoopsdoc]

You are right the NFL did nothing wrong so much that they gave Kap $10m and setup a special showing just for him. Very, very nice people. Didn’t you earlier admit he just wasn’t talented enough to overcome the backlash a team would get for signing him?

What does the bolded have to do with my post?

And just because the NFL settled doesn’t mean they did anything wrong. Lawsuits are settled all the time for all kinds of reasons. The NFL probably figured it was best to just make it go away.

By the way, if Kap was in the right and the league really is discriminating against him, why settle the lawsuit? Why not make the NFL defend itself in court?

Kind of makes it seem like he’s only out for the almighty dollar.

Well, we KNOW that’s true. For as much as Kap whines and cries about how racist America is, he sure as hell has no issue cashing those fat Nike checks, made on the backs of slave laborers in third world countries all over the world.

Kap is a fraud. He’s intensely disliked for a lot of reasons and racism isn’t the biggest one by far.

[rm1369]

You have your opinion. I have mine. Rarely do facts matter when we discuss this issue. You believe what you want. It is a free country, after all. The stats on Kaep his last year are facts, not opinion. The circus he created with the workout is a fact, not an opinion. I could give two shits about the kneeling. Free speech is a real thing. The whole forced patriotism with professional sports is kind of creepy to me. The dude just stunk it up his last season, and then he started pretending to be a martyr.

Yeah, it’s obvious facts rarely matter on the subject. Yes the stats for his last year is a fact. So is his accomplishments from previous years. But do me a favor - go compare Kap’s last season to Wentz’s last in Philly. The now twice traded, twice starting Wentz. If you think it was play that kept Kap out, you are simply lying to yourself. And as I’ve repeatedly pointed out, the workout was AFTER having been blackballed to the point the NFL settled. He also didn’t initially seek publicity, it was simply noticed and reported. And he started kneeling after meeting with a veteran who felt it was more respectful. But none of that fits the narrative- so facts don’t matter.

[JAFF]

Awe, ain't you a special retard there was no racism involved in him not playing. It was because he sucked. Have you tried fucking off today? If not it would be a good day to give it your best effort. Fucking douchebags like you are what makes the world suck.

Yeah, and you are a ray of sunshine.

[Racehorse]

Yeah, it’s obvious facts rarely matter on the subject. Yes the stats for his last year is a fact. So is his accomplishments from previous years. But do me a favor - go compare Kap’s last season to Wentz’s last in Philly. The now twice traded, twice starting Wentz. If you think it was play that kept Kap out, you are simply lying to yourself. And as I’ve repeatedly pointed out, the workout was AFTER having been blackballed to the point the NFL settled. He also didn’t initially seek publicity, it was simply noticed and reported. And he started kneeling after meeting with a veteran who felt it was more respectful. But none of that fits the narrative- so facts don’t matter.

I truly believe that if Frank Reich was not the coach here, Wentz would be out of the league by now. It seems we were the only team interested. How Ballard was able to get Wash. to trade for him was amazing. Yes, he put up decent numbers, but he is flawed. If Kaep had someone go to bat for him and trade for him, he might still be playing (or not). However, he didn't. Wentz did.

[ChaosTheory]

And just because the NFL settled doesn’t mean they did anything wrong. Lawsuits are settled all the time for all kinds of reasons. The NFL probably figured it was best to just make it go away.

It would've been a Pyrrhic victory if they won anyway. Similar to how patent trolls get large parties to settle with them rather than drag out the process and cost themselves more even if they win.

It's been a while since I read, but I think they would've brought up a bunch of emails and stuff. And whether it had anything to do with the issue (any insults or dick jokes or whatever); if it was inflammatory, you know it would leak to the media or be brought up during cross examination.

So they pay the $9m or $10m. Which is a lot less than the $80m or whatever it was they wanted.

$10m - 37% tax = $6.3m
$6.3m - 30% for lawyers (IDK?) = $4.4m
$4.4m - 50% each for Kaepernick and Reid = $2.2m a piece to settle?

[Lov2fish]

Yeah, and you are a ray of sunshine.

Thanks, I do my best.

[JAFF]

Thanks, I do my best.

Keep working on it and you could score a Pyrrhic victory.

[Lov2fish]

Keep working on it and you could score a Pyrrhic victory.

There is no cost to high for achieving victory, especially if it involves trampling your feelz!

[Colts And Orioles]

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(MAY 25th)


Colin Kaepernick Scheduled to Work Out for Las Vegas Raiders

(By Tribune News Services)

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2022/05/25/colin-kaepernick-scheduled-to-work-out-for-las-vegas-raiders-report/

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[Spike]

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(MAY 25th)


Colin Kaepernick Scheduled to Work Out for Las Vegas Raiders

(By Tribune News Services)

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2022/05/25/colin-kaepernick-scheduled-to-work-out-for-las-vegas-raiders-report/

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LOL. Oh, I guess being a slave is ok with him now.

[Colts And Orioles]

I did read it. Watson and Hill are damn good players, and NFL teams will always give those guys opportunities. Not saying it is the right thing, but that is what it is. Kaepernick is not a good player, therefore NFL teams don't give a rat's ass about him. ) Make no mistake about it, Kaep, even with all of his baggage would be in the NFL if he was as good as Watson or Hill, but he just fucking isn't, not even close.





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(ALMOST 3 YEARS LATER)



Worst Trade In NFL History and $230M Contract Disaster Force Cleveland Browns to Fire Another Coach

(By Brian T Smith)

https://talksport.com/nfl/2442066/nfl-cleveland-browns-deshaun-watson-ken-dorsey-fired-coach/


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