I come to praise Chris Ballard, not to bury him.

[Oldcolt]

Ballard has become a shitty drafter who gives way way to much to RAS as an indicator of being good. Polian used to say you needed 5 difference makers on your team. Looking at the defense, beside Leonard (lb), can you name one difference maker Ballard has drafted. The two best players we have on defense were not scouted or drafted by him. He gave up 3 firsts and a newish 2nd rounder to get those 2 players, who had already proven who they were in NFL. Tough to build a winner that way. None of the defensive guys he has drafted can 'take over' a game in crunch time. On offense he has drafted all pro at guard/running back (maybe Warren but he isn't there yet)-two positions that have minimal impact in today's NFL (don't believe me? look at our record). We have no number one receiver and no QB (either starter or backup that is waiting in the wings learning) in a league that constantly makes rules to benefit the passing game and hinder the running game. The best argument is that we came close for half a year? And those 8 games are who we really are? I would like to point out that Miami looked unbelievable a few years ago before defenses started figuring them out. It is much more likely (we have seen it time and time again in the NFL) that we surprised teams early and they figured out how to stop us. Good team have this happen but they respond with changes of their own that mitigate what others are doing. We just fell apart. I don't think this is as cut and dry as it sounds when I write this. Giving it one more year has a certain logic to it I agree. I just don't think it will work.

[Hoopsdoc]

I think it’s pretty simple. Ballard has built a good enough roster that we can be really really good with decent quarterback play.

We just have not been able to find that quarterback.

I think it would be dangerous to fire Ballard because the next guy would most likely be worse at his job than Ballard is. IE, we would be much more likely to get the next Ryan Grigson than the next Howie Roseman.

[apballin]

He definitely puts too much weight on RAS score

Also drafting a team full of Man of the year candidates has its downside,

As much as they’re hated having a Jalen Carter, Ndomunkung Suh, or Aqib Talib brings an edge to a defense that this team has lacked since Robert Mathis retired

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

I think it’s pretty simple. Ballard has built a good enough roster that we can be really really good with decent quarterback play.

We just have not been able to find that quarterback.

I think it would be dangerous to fire Ballard because the next guy would most likely be worse at his job than Ballard is. IE, we would be much more likely to get the next Ryan Grigson than the next Howie Roseman.

This is the exact reason you don't fire him, especially if, as an organization, you believe Daniel Jones is a long term answer at the QB position.

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

This is the exact reason you don't fire him, especially if, as an organization, you believe Daniel Jones is a long term answer at the QB position.

So you don't fire personnel that over the course of 10 years have proven to you they suck, because there's the possibility you could get an even worse loser.

Fucking insane.

So at what year after proving long term suck, do you fire someone? 12 years, 15, do they get a solid 20 years of proving they are shit before you fire them????

Most organizations have a damn 90 day trial period, at end end of 90 days if you suck, you are told to go home.

Motherfucker has had 10 years proving to you that he is awful---- but you don't believe him?

What an insane fucking world view...

[Oldcolt]

I cannot argue with your logic for keeping Ballard. It would be insane to get rid of him if you are happy where this team is at talent wise except at QB. Obviously we disagree on what kind of team Ballard has put together. I think it is a team bereft of top (ie superstar) talent. No player capable of elevating his play in critical times. I believe you need that to consistently travel with other teams who have it. Hope I am wrong.

[Kray007]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

So you don't fire personnel that over the course of 10 years have proven to you they suck, because there's the possibility you could get an even worse loser.

Fucking insane.

So at what year after proving long term suck, do you fire someone? 12 years, 15, do they get a solid 20 years of proving they are shit before you fire them????

Most organizations have a damn 90 day trial period, at end end of 90 days if you suck, you are told to go home.

Motherfucker has had 10 years proving to you that he is awful---- but you don't believe him?

What an insane fucking world view...

No, insanity is firing a General Manager when a third of his team, the best third, is stuck in the training room, rehabbing.

Insanity is trashing a roster simply because you don’t like the guy who assembled it.

Insanity is expecting an Offense to flourish with a Quarterback who’s gutting out a broken leg.

Insanity is expecting a GM to pull a viable Quarterback out of his butt when number 1 and number 2 go down.

Insanity is demanding wins when you’re starting a 44 year old Grandfather who hadn’t seen the field in 5 years.

[YDFL Commish]

Ballard and Steichen aren't going anywhere. At least not this off-season.

Ballard, mostly because of the Sauce trade and the Ward signing, never got to see the fruits of those signings. Carlie will wanna see how that plays out.

Steichen will stay for a similar reason. Carlie will wanna see what Steichen can do with Daniel Jones for another season.

IMO, Charlie Partridge may be on the hot seat though.

[ChoppedWood]

Just heard this stat on the radio. Last 2 years, we are 3-14 against teams with a 500+ record.

Holy shit. And yet there are still people on here that think we should keep either of these fucking bottom barrel losers.

My God the standards and expectations for this team are so ridiculously low.

FIRE THEM ALL!

[Kray007]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

I cannot argue with your logic for keeping Ballard. It would be insane to get rid of him if you are happy where this team is at talent wise except at QB. Obviously we disagree on what kind of team Ballard has put together. I think it is a team bereft of top (ie superstar) talent. No player capable of elevating his play in critical times. I believe you need that to consistently travel with other teams who have it. Hope I am wrong.

I don’t think you can underestimate the impact of the injury to Daniel Jones. The team was 8-2 when he broke his leg.

Even after the injury, they didn’t fall apart. Compare that with Kansas City which, after Mahomes and Minshew went down, has managed a total of 272 total yards in 2 games, 133 vs the dreaded Titans and 139 against Denver.

As far as superstar talent is concerned, I think this team is bubbling with it. Jonathan Taylor is the best RB in the league. Pierce is the best deep threat in the league. Tyler Warren is Tyler Warren. DeForest Buckner is an elite DT, the engine that drives the Defense. Laiatu Latu is 11th in the league in sacks, 13th in pressures. Gardner and Ward are elite Corners.