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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory
We should contextualize these numbers for post-2011. People conflate the effect of 2011, 2004, and 1994 changes... but '94 and '04 were more blips that regressed whereas 2011 ushered in the inflationary passing era.
Brady played roughly 57% of his 23 seasons post-2011. 8 of his 10 best seasons are post-2011 when he was older Brady. Same for Brees, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Eli, etc. 70-80% of their best seasons are post-2011.
Manning pretty much only got three seasons of happy hour and he set the record for 3-year and single-season touchdowns while not being able to feel his fingers.
Coincidence ??? Did he magically get better when he was old and broken ??? Extrapolate that eco-system for another 69 games and Manning's totals crush.
It's similar to how people act like Marvin vs. TO is a slam-dunk for Owens because the easiest metric to look at is career totals... but if you do a real-time side-by-side of metrics, Marvin doesn't just outperform TO—it's actually kind of a slaughter.
Like Dam said... a lot of the MJ-Lebron debate devolves solely into rings vs. counting stats which is dumb. There is a cumulative framework to look at which gives a clearer answer.
Manning was first-team All-Pro 7x and aside from 2008 when Brady was hurt, they all came head-to-head with Brady. The further we get away from real-time of those seasons, the more the argument becomes rings and counting stats.
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Here is some more historical context regarding quarterbacks dealing with the rules of the game for the time in which they played, when comparing quarterbacks from the 1940's through the Present ...... which is why the statistics of quarterbacks such as Sonny Jurgensen, Y.A. Tittle, Sammy, Baugh, and Sid Luckman would look pedestrian or even bad in today's game.
A) lPrior to 1974, a defensive player could hit a receiver an unlimited number of times down-field, so long as the ball was not in the air.
Starting in 1974, the most severe rule change regarding pass receivers and defenders was enacted ...... a player could only make contact 2 times overall, and one time beyond 3 yards of the line of scrimmage. This makes one appreciate what Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas, Fran Tarkenton, Bart Starr, Sonny Jurgensen, etc. accomplished. These quarterbacks all had most or all of their careers played prior to the 1974 season.
B) lIn 1977, the rule was amended to aid the pass receivers again. Starting that season, a defender could only make contact with a receiver one time ...... whether it be within 3 yards of the line of scrimmage, or further downfield.
C) lIn 1978, the rule was amended to aid the pass receivers yet again. Starting that season, a defender could make contact with a receiver only one time, and within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. If the defender made contact with a receiver 6 yards or more from the line of scrimmage, it was now considered to be pass interference (and/or defensive holding), even if the ball was not yet in the air.
* l In the last 15-20 years (circa 2005 through the present), more rule changes protecting both the receivers and the quarterbacks has allowed offensive statistics to increase even higher than they already had been.
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