Peyton v. Eli

Originally Posted by Sodapop

I am really sick of the Super Bowl being what people use to describe how good ONE player is. If that is the case, then why are there so many people on a team. Tom Brady is not better than Manning, the Patriots are a consistently better TEAM than the Colts, as proven by this year. If nothing else, this year should PROVE that Peyton is the greatest because the team without him is awful. A year withouth Brady= 11-5. A year without Peyton is one of the worst in history. Eli's team would probably not have made the playoffs without him, but his team puts him in position to make a few plays to win a game, much like Tebow. He gets all the credit, but without that defense he is on the bench and the team is going another direction.

we were 2-14 because we gutted the team and played Curtis Painter and Collins

Of course the offense would suffer greatly when you let a player like Manning have that much power and control. Brady doesn't have that and the Patriots didn't gut their team and play horrible talent on both sides of the ball.

Our decline started 2 years ago and this year it was compounded by Pixie's neck

I wasn't surprised

[Ban Me]

Originally Posted by dacoats

why bidch at him?

Manning went three and out a ton in that game, and the one time in the second quarter ran eight ****ing plays, and ran the ball 3 times in a row and set up a late field goal for the Saints, that had no business scoring points that late

The ****ing GOAT right? 3 run plays? He was scared to throw the pick six so he put it on the running game instead of being a pure balls out champion

thats why he threw the pick later because he is afraid of greatness, you gotta have balls to walk up the line 3rd and one and ****ing take the Saints to school. He took the easy way out and handed the ball off.

Look at all the times Manning had big third down plays against SD, PiTT, NE, And the 3rd and five late in the game, and he doesn't have a play figured out at that point to beat the defense after looking at 500 ****ing polaroids? **** that. Don't tell me how much film the guy watches and all that bullchit.

JMO

Cooper

Here's Drive 1-crucial play:

2-7-NO 22 (8:37) (Run formation) PENALTY on IND-66-K.DeVan, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at NO 22 - No Play.

That made it 2nd and 12. next play gains the seven yards they needed for the original first down. In this first drive, PM converted (2) 3rd downs.

On the second drive, the only third down the Colts faced was when PM threw for 19 yards and a TD to Garcon. At this point, I am really starting to feel good...got the buzz on, partying, but still know it's early.

Did I forget to mention that NO was 3/9 on 3rd, Indy was 6/13? Before I look, my guess is, second half, when Freeney is all but locked up, is when NO probably doesn't even FACE too many 3rd downs.

3rd possession (first of 2nd quarter, Colts 10, Saints 3)

1-10-IND 22 (9:27) 18-P.Manning pass short right to 29-J.Addai pushed ob at IND 31 for 9 yards (58-S.Shanle).

On 2nd and 1, Addai loses three yards-throw it here, or run up the gut...that sweep hasn't worked well since Edge left...failed on 3rd down, quick 3 and out after a nice start.

OOPS!! And i think this is THE PLAY:

3-4-IND 28 (8:30) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 18-P.Manning pass incomplete short middle to 85-P.Garcon [55-S.Fujita]. I wouldn't call that a short middle pass, but maybe medium middle sounds too dumb...and it wasn't deep enough to be deep middle. WHAT THE **** DO YOU WANT MANNING TO DO HERE??? HE DELIVERED THE GODDAMN BALL ON STRIDE, TO A STREAKING WAITER, WHO DROPPED THE LOAF!!


NO next possession

4-1-IND 1 (1:55) (Pass formation) 23-P.Thomas right end to IND 1 for no gain (58-G.Brackett, 55-C.Session).

Prior to this play, IND calls time out. I do not remember the situation...the THIRD and 1 from the 1 was snapped AFTER the TO for the two minute warning. My only guess here is that Clodwell was thinking NO would go for the FG, we'd get it at the 20 with 1:55 to go. THIS, in HINDSIGHT, is where he is an idiot, and really never learns....because YOU MUST BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR. The other thing you have to ask is, do you know who your quarterback is? Don't you think that 1:35 or so left on the clock is plenty of time for Peyton to work his way downfield? And did you EVER THINK that calling TO there GIVES PAYTON TIME TO THINK, and make a decision on going for it. WHY THE **** do you CONSISTENTLY MAKE DECISIONS EASIER FOR THE OPPONENT? The goal is to PUT THEM TO A DECSION UNDER DURESS, not call a goddamn timeout for them. IMO, CLODWELL (at that time) was lucky NO didn't score the TD, but he didn't even THINK of the implications of having the ball at the 1 with 1:49 to play (and 99 yards to go)...but then THIS happens:

3-1-IND 10 (:51) 32-M.Hart up the middle to IND 10 for no gain (93-B.McCray). 1st down measurement.


is this MANNINGS FAULT? If you can't make a goddamn 1 yard gain, then WTF!! I guess you force NO to use TO #2, but with BREES, he doesn't even NEED those TO's, so i guess you could blame him for not passing it...but jeez O'Pete, make the first...this is on the O-line and Hart.

So, in the second quarter, we had the ball twice, and in the end, as Polian explicitly pointed out, the O-Line FAILED US. Nevertheless.....easily this game should at minimum be 10-3 at half.


Second Half

6-T.Morstead kicks onside 12 yards from NO 30 to NO 42, impetus ends at NO 44. RECOVERED by NO-39-C.Reis.

This here is all my fault....wife and I ran up to the room for a little halftime entertainment, and we didn't get back to our spots at the Hotel Bar to be in position. Anyway, HANK ****ING BASKETT! HEARS the Officials say BLUE BALLS, and apparently immediately starts to off to relieve himself, forgetting that maybe it would be smart to hold onto the pigskin instead of his foreskin. Is this Manning's fault??

****ING 13-10 SAINTS.....They are who we thought they were, and we let 'em off the hook!



Indy takes the lead back on their first true possession of 2nd half with a fine 10 play, 76 yard drive that consumes 5:26.

Saints come down and score a FG to make it 17-16, so while we kept them in it...we still are in a good spot.

At this point, there is only 2:06 to play in the third, and then THIS HAPPENS:

3-12-IND 44 (13:40) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 18-P.Manning pass short left to 87-R.Wayne to NO 46 for 10 yards (22-T.Porter).


4-2-NO 46 (12:56) (No Huddle) 18-P.Manning pass short left to 87-R.Wayne to NO 32 for 14 yards (22-T.Porter).


Gutsy move....3rd and long, back to back to Wayne, 24 yards in two plays. Doesn't look like ANYONE'S ASSPUCKERED here. we make it down to the 30, NO D' stiffens, kick a FG from the 33...NO GOOD.

Here's the play: 4-11-NO 33 (10:44) (Field Goal formation) 18-P.Manning 51 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Left, Center-48-J.Snow, Holder-1-P.McAfee.

Can't believe that fuch Manning missed the 51 yarder on such a nice night.


NOW, at this point, if this douchebag MAKES the FG, we are up 20-16. Instead of having the ball at the 41, we are kicking off. Here is NO starting field position after our first four KO's: 23,26,11, and 34.

From here, we make assumptions, who knows, but now, NO has farther to go, and is down 4...who knows, maybe they press, maybe we get that 3rd down stop...down 17-16, they knew a FG takes the lead, I am not an NFL player, but I gotta believe that there is a better feeling in the huddle knowing 3 gets the lead, that you don't HAVE to have 7 (although obviously, you want 7).

So, THEY GET 7, well, SIX. At this point, the score would have been 22-20. You think they go for 2 here? NO. They go for 1. Now, we get the ball back, down 23-20, instead of 24-17.

A lot different ball game at that point. To this point, I see a QB who DID HIS JOB. I see Garcon, Stover, the O-line, Baskett as guys that didn't make that play when the TEAM needed it.

Originally Posted by Ban Me

Here's Drive 1-crucial play:
To this point, I see a QB who DID HIS JOB. I see Garcon, Stover, the O-line, Baskett as guys that didn't make that play when the TEAM needed it.

Eli would have taken his team in for six not a 51 yard field goal attempt from a 72 year old

how did it end up 4th and 11? oh Manning had nothing to do with that.

when did the Coats ever run the ****ing ball 3 times in a row? Get real, that was fear....

you guys always have a story and excuses for Manning, it gets old

[Pez]

Originally Posted by sarcasm

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-films-...r-to-the-House

16 seconds..... That isn't a slant route. You do not shuffle your feet like that on a slant.

Damn that hurts to watch.

[Ban Me]

Originally Posted by dacoats

Eli would have taken his team in for six not a 51 yard field goal attempt from a 72 year old

how did it end up 4th and 11? oh Manning had nothing to do with that.

when did the Coats ever run the ****ing ball 3 times in a row? Get real, that was fear....

you guys always have a story and excuses for Manning, it gets old

They went to Addai for 2 yards, must have done a screen to Collie for -3. LOL, you will never see a team with a QB like Manning, and a defense like the Colts, run the ball 3 staright times in a playoff game.

Originally Posted by Ban Me

They went to Addai for 2 yards, must have done a screen to Collie for -3. LOL, you will never see a team with a QB like Manning, and a defense like the Colts, run the ball 3 staright times in a playoff game.

it happened that game

that play to Collie was one of those botched ****ing bubbles, **** that play

[indcolts18288]

Originally Posted by Pez

Damn that hurts to watch.

I can't do it. i've heard the sound bite of Brady saying "I can't even watch highlights of that game", meaning the SB he lost. Kind of that way for the fans too. I re-watched it once about 3 months after it ended to watch what happened without my excitement distracting me. Literally made me sick to my stomach. Does to even think about it.

well there is just ANOTHER example of little bro showing money bags how it is done in the clutch

you guys can wash all you want, but Eli gets it in the endzone in the clutch and Pixie settles for the FG and the pix.

facts are the fact

it is now in the history book for the unborn to experience as well

[Spike]

I think it is time to anoint Eli being better than Brady also. Brady had twice as much time in the pocket that Eli did and Eli outplayed the **** out of Brady.

[newfoundjimmy]

Originally Posted by dacoats

well there is just ANOTHER example of little bro showing money bags how it is done in the clutch

you guys can wash all you want, but Eli gets it in the endzone in the clutch and Pixie settles for the FG and the pix.

facts are the fact

it is now in the history book for the unborn to experience as well

....the patriots parted like the red sea and allowed the runningback to get it into the endzone.