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Old 11-14-2017, 07:08 PM
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Look, moron. Pagano is trash. Yes, it seems like he has grown a little this year in game-planning, but he has miiiiiles to go on in-game and halftime coaching. This team will be 2-3 games over .500 next year if he is gone, without a doubt. If he stays, we will be no better than 7-9.
The Rams firing Fisher has changed everything for them. Pagano is a dinosaur just like Fisher, the game has passed them by.
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Old 11-14-2017, 07:29 PM
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No, I just refuse to buy into the narrative that most Colts fans have bought into which blames Pagano for any negative result, stretching the limits of cognitive dissonance to do so in some cases.
you really have gone full retard haven't you?


everyone can see what pagano is but you. he is a terrible coach that hands the other teams wins every single week. he constantly plays terrible players for apparently no reason. the team constantly makes stupid penalties. week after week. that is poor coaching and everyone would agree it is.

i find it hilarious that all the things grigson got blamed for is still happening. playing terrible players, the offensive scheme is shit, treating players like shit (vontae), and complete disorder in the locker room.

the "sources" were pagano weaseling his way into not getting fired. and tossing his whole staff under the bus in the process only to hire worse coaches.

it is completely unbelievable that you still support this fucking worthless shitbag.
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The Rams firing Fisher has changed everything for them. Pagano is a dinosaur just like Fisher, the game has passed them by.
pagano never had the game.
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At this point I just figure Dam must be Pagano himself or a family member.

There is just no excuse for a coaching blowing so many second half leads of double digits as him in one season
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you really have gone full retard haven't you?


everyone can see what pagano is but you. he is a terrible coach that hands the other teams wins every single week. he constantly plays terrible players for apparently no reason. the team constantly makes stupid penalties. week after week. that is poor coaching and everyone would agree it is.

i find it hilarious that all the things grigson got blamed for is still happening. playing terrible players, the offensive scheme is shit, treating players like shit (vontae), and complete disorder in the locker room.

the "sources" were pagano weaseling his way into not getting fired. and tossing his whole staff under the bus in the process only to hire worse coaches.

it is completely unbelievable that you still support this fucking worthless shitbag.
"Support" is a strong word, I just haven't gone full retard into blaming Pagano for everything I don't like about the team like most of the rest of you have. He's certainly not a great coach, but the NFL hasn't seen one of those in a long time. I think he's good enough to win a Super Bowl with the right roster, and that in today's NFL, you can do a lot worse than that out of a head coach. Give him a defense with talent and a healthy Luck and they're likely competing for a championship every year. He hasn't had that and has still managed a decent amount of success. I doubt he's retained beyond this season, so most of this is moot discussion anyway, I just hope the next head coach isn't worse.
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I doubt he's retained beyond this season,
I hope you are right!
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Hell of a game the turnover once again was the difference
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Hell of a game the turnover once again was the difference
No, the difference is Pagano coaches the Colts. That's the fucking difference. I can't see how you and dam keep defending this piece of shit. SMDH.
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To me, one of the factors that would indicate good coaching vs bad coaching is the size of victory or loss at the NFL level.

Honestly, the NFL draft system and salary cap ensures that the general player talent level across teams is "RELATIVELY" even under "COMPETENT" player acquisition schemes.

My gut feeling is that if you throw out the Browns because they have an incompetent player acquisition scheme and throw out the Patriots because they have a possibly once-in-a-generation coach/GM, then the other 30 teams in the NFL over the past decade have all been in the general ballpark of talent on each roster from a long-term perspective. ANY.....GIVEN......SUNDAY.

Year-in and year-out success then comes down to who can design, implement and direct a better coaching/play design/play calling system to get the most out of that "generally" evenish player talent level.

In other words:

Big wins = good game plan design/good player motivation/good in-game decisions
Big losses = bad game plan design/bad player motivation/bad in-game decisions

Lost by at least a 21 point margin:

Week 07, 2017 = Shut out by JAX 27 - 0
Week 04, 2017 = Lost by 28 to SEA
Week 01, 2017 = Lost by 37 to LAR
Week 12, 2016 = Lost by 21 to PIT
Week 14, 2015 = Lost by 35 to JAX
Week 13, 2015 = Lost by 35 to PIT
AFC Champ, 2015 = Lost by 38 to NE
Week 16, 2014 = Lost by 35 to DAL
Week 11, 2014 = Lost by 22 to NE
Div Champ, 2014 = Lost by 21 to NE
Week 12, 2013 = Lost by 29 to ARI
Week 10, 2013 = Lost by 30 to STL
Week 11, 2012 = Lost by 35 to NE
Week 06, 2012 = Lost by 26 to NYJ

Won by at least a 21 point margin:

Week 15, 2016 = Won by 28 over MIN
Week 13, 2016 = Won by 31 over NYJ
Week 13, 2014 = Won by 22 over WAS
Week 07, 2014 = Won by 27 over CIN
Week 04, 2014 = Won by 24 over TEN
Week 03, 2014 = Won by 27 over JAX
Week 15, 2013 = Won by 22 over HOU
Week 04, 2013 = Won by 34 over JAX

14 blow out losses vs 8 blow out wins. Only 2 blow out wins in the past 2.5 seasons (once our division rivals have gotten stronger; 4 of our blow out wins were against division opponents in 2013/2014).

I know this is not conclusive, but Pagano is averaging more than 2 blow out losses every season as head coach. Sure, 4 of them are to NE who is the best franchise of this era but 10 of them are then spread across teams, some of whom, honestly, have not been strong overall (JAX, Rams, ARI).

A good coach gets his team ready to play the opponent taking the field across from them. Pagano rarely seems to have his team ready for his opponent.

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To me, one of the factors that would indicate good coaching vs bad coaching is the size of victory or loss at the NFL level.

Honestly, the NFL draft system and salary cap ensures that the general player talent level across teams is "RELATIVELY" even under "COMPETENT" player acquisition schemes.

My gut feeling is that if you throw out the Browns because they have an incompetent player acquisition scheme and throw out the Patriots because they have a possibly once-in-a-generation coach/GM, then the other 30 teams in the NFL over the past decade have all been in the general ballpark of talent on each roster from a long-term perspective. ANY.....GIVEN......SUNDAY.

Year-in and year-out success then comes down to who can design, implement and direct a better coaching/play design/play calling system to get the most out of that "generally" evenish player talent level.

In other words:

Big wins = good game plan design/good player motivation/good in-game decisions
Big losses = bad game plan design/bad player motivation/bad in-game decisions

Lost by at least a 21 point margin:

Week 07, 2017 = Shut out by JAX 27 - 0
Week 04, 2017 = Lost by 28 to SEA
Week 01, 2017 = Lost by 37 to LAR
Week 12, 2016 = Lost by 21 to PIT
Week 14, 2015 = Lost by 35 to JAX
Week 13, 2015 = Lost by 35 to PIT
AFC Champ, 2015 = Lost by 38 to NE
Week 16, 2014 = Lost by 35 to DAL
Week 11, 2014 = Lost by 22 to NE
Div Champ, 2014 = Lost by 21 to NE
Week 12, 2013 = Lost by 29 to ARI
Week 10, 2013 = Lost by 30 to STL
Week 11, 2012 = Lost by 35 to NE
Week 06, 2012 = Lost by 26 to NYJ

Won by at least a 21 point margin:

Week 15, 2016 = Won by 28 over MIN
Week 13, 2016 = Won by 31 over NYJ
Week 13, 2014 = Won by 22 over WAS
Week 07, 2014 = Won by 27 over CIN
Week 04, 2014 = Won by 24 over TEN
Week 03, 2014 = Won by 27 over JAX
Week 15, 2013 = Won by 22 over HOU
Week 04, 2013 = Won by 34 over JAX

14 blow out losses vs 8 blow out wins. Only 2 blow out wins in the past 2.5 seasons (once our division rivals have gotten stronger; 4 of our blow out wins were against division opponents in 2013/2014).

I know this is not conclusive, but Pagano is averaging more than 2 blow out losses every season as head coach. Sure, 4 of them are to NE who is the best franchise of this era but 10 of them are then spread across teams, some of whom, honestly, have not been strong overall (JAX, Rams, ARI).

A good coach gets his team ready to play the opponent taking the field across from them. Pagano rarely seems to have his team ready for his opponent.

Walk Worthy,
He may have grown on that, given the play in the first half of most games this year, or it could be that teams just pay vanilla against us in the first half knowing we will not make any adjustments at halftime.
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