Free agency 2023

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by JAFF

The Oline for Manning could move positions because thats how they were coached by Howard Mudd.

Line play has degraded since Manning’s time. A lot of articles have been written about it. Bc of the players agreement practice time is a lot shorter, consequently it also means player development is not as good now. Why I think you see more of a premium on oline players in the draft.

Years before teams would take guards and centers lower and then develop them as years went by. That’s not happening as much now. Partially why Grigson’s dated philosophy on building oline didn’t and doesn’t work now.

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

Line play has degraded since Manning’s time. A lot of articles have been written about it. Bc of the players agreement practice time is a lot shorter, consequently it also means player development is not as good now. Why I think you see more of a premium on oline players in the draft.

Years before teams would take guards and centers lower and then develop them as years went by. That’s not happening as much now. Partially why Grigson’s dated philosophy on building oline didn’t and doesn’t work now.

Give Polian a little credit. He knew what Mudd wanted. Graduates, team captains, had “good feet” , played multiple positions in college, a good team mate. It was also a reason the colts lost lineman to FA. Drop them in a system, they could play

[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

Line play has degraded since Manning’s time. A lot of articles have been written about it. Bc of the players agreement practice time is a lot shorter

Not just shorter, but softer, as well. For example, some of the drills they prohibited from all practices:

(1) Bull in the Ring/King of the Circle
Defined: Prior to the start of the drill players stand in a circle surrounding one player in the middle. Each player is assigned a number. The drill begins when a coach calls out a number. The player to whom that number was assigned is then required to charge at the player standing in the middle of the circle. Coaches may call more than one number at a time, resulting in multiple players charging the player in the middle.
(2) Oklahoma Drill
Defined: Players begin the drill barricaded on each side and lined up directly across from each other. (The players could be a defensive tackle, offensive lineman, ball carrier, and linebacker, or defensive back versus a wide receiver and ball carrier). Upon the start of the drill, players attack each other straight on with no angles. After contact the defender is attempting to shed a block while the offensive player is attempting to create a vertical drive block or a defender attempting to tack the ball carrier runs directly downhill as the ball carrier runs directly through a defender without the ability of either to avoid linear contact due to the barricade on each side with the goal of freeing or tackling the ball carrier.
(3) OL/DL In-Line Run Blocking/Board-Drill
Defined: Two players begin the drill by aligning directly across or slightly offset from one another within an artificially confined area, such as between boards, straddling a board or confined by other similar objects or as otherwise indicated by a member of the coaching staff. Upon the snap, players are directed to physically engage with each other off the ball and challenge for vertical push with no attempt by the defensive player to evade the block. The intent of the rule is to prohibit one-on-one tests of strength within artificially confined areas that do not permit the defensive player to angle his approach, shed the blocker, or take other evasive action. This rule does not prohibit or limit one-on-one pass rush or pass protection drills that do not occur within an artificially confined area. (Prohibited during OL versus DL padded practice. Conducting this drill with or without pads and at walking or jogging pace is permitted).
(4) Half Line/Pods/3-Spot
Defined: Offensive and defensive line players line up in a partial formational set to practice run blocking. These drills could also include a running back and tight end. (Prohibited during offense versus defense padded practice. Conducting this drill with or without pads and at walking pace or jogging is permitted.)

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

Not just shorter, but softer, as well. For example, some of the drills they prohibited from all practices:

Guys get hurt with those drills, pee wee to NFL.

[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by JAFF

Guys get hurt with those drills, pee wee to NFL.

Sure, but it's just an illustration of the direction the league has gone over the years.

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

Sure, but it's just an illustration of the direction the league has gone over the years.

When the number of draft picks decreased and roster limits they had to stop those bs drills. Losing guys in practice to see who’s “the man” was always stupid. My hs lost an important player before first game of state football because the HC thought bull in the ring was a good idea

[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by JAFF

When the number of draft picks decreased and roster limits they had to stop those bs drills. Losing guys in practice to see who’s “the man” was always stupid. My hs lost an important player before first game of state football because the HC thought bull in the ring was a good idea

We never did the circle drill. Everybody loved Oklahoma and board drills, though.

[Brylok]

Mike White? Any interest? 6'5, 220. 27 years old.
I haven't been posting or reading much lately. Not excited about any of the top 4 QBs we're likely to pick.

[YDFL Commish]

Brett Kollmanns take:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5CGSKGVlhM

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

Line play has degraded since Manning’s time. A lot of articles have been written about it. Bc of the players agreement practice time is a lot shorter, consequently it also means player development is not as good now. Why I think you see more of a premium on oline players in the draft.

Years before teams would take guards and centers lower and then develop them as years went by. That’s not happening as much now. Partially why Grigson’s dated philosophy on building oline didn’t and doesn’t work now.

Howard Mudd would take starters and move them in practice and insert back ups in their place. You make time in practice so guys step in and play. You make it part of your daily plan. You plan for the worst, you hope for the best