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Old 12-09-2019, 12:06 PM
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The talent/players on the secondary is fine.
Individual effort was there.
The real problem was they were not in position to make plays because Matt Eberflus had called a zone defense the majority (at least 80%) of the game. And when the play calls had Hooker or Geathers or Willis covering TE's/RB's instead of protecting the deep ball in that zone,...Winston made them pay.
This defensive performance was all on Eberflus for not making mid-game adjustments when they were being torched.
I do think the reason was because his defense was getting turnovers...But that's no excuse when a QB is throwing 85% completion percentage on you...and those completions are coming within 2-3 seconds of snapping the ball, because his receivers got into the holes in the zones that fast. This also hurts the pass rush, because 2-3 seconds is generally not enough time for 4 down linemen to get to the QB. And when it was,..Winston was able to roll out and give his an extra second to get to that open spot.
Eberflus HAS to learn to make in-game adjustments...or I will want him gone next year.
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Sorry, but no. The defense allowed far too many 3rd down conversions, even some ridiculous 3rd and long ones. They kept allowing easy passes even without the bucs best WR. That was a pathetic effort by the secondary.
The defense allowed 8-15 3rd down conversions. Roughly 50%, which is worse than their usual. The way this defense is designed it gives up yards but is supposed to tighten up in the red zone. It is not supposed to give up the deep play. Considering this offense likes the deep pass I would think that plays to our strength. But safety help seemed a little late on a lot of deep passes. Still if it was for the two extra touchdown and the four turnovers we aren’t even in this game.

I think halftime adjustments are kind of a myth. You have to make in game adjustments. At halftime, by the time you get inside, use the bathroom, get something to drink and the coaches are done talking you have about a couple minutes. Not really enough time to put in comprehensive adjustments.

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Old 12-09-2019, 06:17 PM
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I'm not sure I've seen a worse game by a secondary. For as much talent as they have there, that kind of effort is pretty inexcusable.
How many sacks did the Colts get? Not nearly enough. They need a big bad passrusher.
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Old 12-09-2019, 06:43 PM
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How many sacks did the Colts get? Not nearly enough. They need a big bad passrusher.
Even when they got pressure, it didn't matter much. They still found the zones and completed too many passes. Also, a decent secondary can help those pass rushers have more time to get to the QB.
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Old 12-17-2019, 01:32 AM
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Two straight games, complete fucking trash. Giving up a completion percentage record is a whole new level of awful.
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Its hard to judge pass defense by the secondary with no pass rush
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Its hard to judge pass defense by the secondary with no pass rush
see post 14. We already had that discussion.

Allowing 29 completions out of 30 passes is fucking pathetic, no matter the pass rush or lack of.
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Old 12-17-2019, 08:13 PM
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see post 14. We already had that discussion.

Allowing 29 completions out of 30 passes is fucking pathetic, no matter the pass rush or lack of.
Considering how protected WR's are you can only cover someone for so long, and that means EVERYBODY in the D backfield has to be perfect every time if you take 8 seconds to get anywhere close to the QB.

It not one thing or the other, it's BOTH. You get some pass rush, it makes playing DB a lot easier. Freeney and Mathis made work easier for their DB's.
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Old 12-17-2019, 08:28 PM
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Considering how protected WR's are you can only cover someone for so long, and that means EVERYBODY in the D backfield has to be perfect every time if you take 8 seconds to get anywhere close to the QB.

It not one thing or the other, it's BOTH. You get some pass rush, it makes playing DB a lot easier. Freeney and Mathis made work easier for their DB's.
No shit. We've already had that discussion. A good pass rush helps the secondary and a good secondary also can help a pass rush.

BUT....Every team has these same rules that their secondary has to go by covering those WR's and NONE of them suck as bad as the Colts secondary has the last two weeks or has ever allowed 29 of 30 completions, the lone incompletion was a pass behind the line of scrimmage. Literally every pass Brees threw beyond the line of scrimmage he completed. I don't give a fuck how poor your pass rush is, that is fucking PATHETIC on a whole new level.

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Two straight games, complete fucking trash. Giving up a completion percentage record is a whole new level of awful.
Q: What is 82 and 144????



A: The average completion % and QB rating of the last 3 QBs this defense has faced.

Considering 2 of those 3 are Tannehill and Winston that is a harsh indictment of this defense.
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