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One example where I think this grading system could get it wrong: There was a play in a game I watched where Lance had a TE running upfield. This TE was NFL open, he had a defender closing but they had their back turned to the QB and were on the TE's inside shoulder. An NFL throw is needed, and Lance makes what is in my opinion the perfect throw: he throws high to the TE's outside shoulder, putting the ball in a position where only his receiver can get it. The ball hits off the TE's hands. To me, PFF would grade that as a "high" throw or maybe even an "overthrow", because the TE had to go up for it and it was high and to the outside of the receiver. But based on the play and what was happening, it was the perfect throw, as it gave the defender no chance at an INT and would've been an easy first down had the TE caught a ball that hit his hands. |
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Dewey 5 (10-22-2020) |
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Yeah I’m sure he will. I was looking forward to seeing what he could do with Georgia’s talent. Hard to place these QBs now outside of Lawrence and Fields. The range i think he is at is late first to third round.
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I’ve see Lance throw outs with great strength and precision. The problem is that he doesn’t do that consistently. Those issues can be fixed, we have seen Josh Allen and the Ravens QB improve. But if given a preference I would like to start with a guy with high accuracy. He does have a hitch in his delivery and it draws it out. He will need to fix that in the pros. His running will be an asset as long as he protects himself. But as we have seen with Andrew and Cam Newton, no matter how big you are taking hits will knock you out of the game. Be like Russel Wilson, not Cam Newton. Last edited by Chromeburn; 10-22-2020 at 03:28 PM. |
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I also like accuracy in QBs, but as you point out, Lance does this well already in several situations, and you can't have a 42 TD 0 INT season at any level without having some pretty solid ball placement skills. Russell Wilson is also the model I would look to in Trey Lance, specifically getting him to stop abandoning the pass so quickly and easily. That's my biggest problem with him, due to the injury risk. |
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Also he had 28 tds throwing, 14 rushing. It’s not like NDSU is playing top competition. Their closest game was against South Dakota State. The one game they had this year against Central Arkansas he threw an int. I’m not saying there isn’t stuff to like about him. There are good tools to work with and he does have promise. I just don’t know if he is a top five QB like some are making him out to be. And I’m not sure about his accuracy which I think is the most important trait for a QB. |
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I think you and I mostly agree on Lance. The biggest area of disagreement seems to be accuracy. Of course level of competition is a concern, but productivity mitigates that somewhat. My biggest concern is that he tries to play like Cam Newton but looks more like RG3. He needs to use his mobility to escape pressure and keep plays alive, but scrambling should be the last resort. That's my biggest reason for being hesitant to put him with the top QBs in the class, and as I said earlier, I don't know that Ballard and Reich will want to stake their careers on this kid. |
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I see what you are saying. As technology increases, high-resolution cameras with high frame rates, the ability to pause and examine, I see this as the natural evolution of analyzation. We do this every game our selves when we see a well-thrown ball vs a bad throw. You asked about balls thrown in-between zones which is a good point, and it probably depends on which side the ball is more on. But the zones aren't hit/miss it's accurate/less accurate/inaccurate etc. If it was either-or, that is where a bias could hurt you more, but the levels of increment minimize the impact of a bias. Remember they are:
Finally, the whole argument depends on the presence of bias in the system, but there is no evidence of any bias. Just because there is a possibility for something to be corrupted doesn't mean it is. For example, the president and the GOP has lawsuits in every swing state trying to remove mail-in ballots arguing that there is corruption. They have not won a single case though because there is no actual evidence that there is mass mail-in voter corruption (that isn't caught) to discard the system, just their theories. (and before this turns into a political debate for some of you, yes I know the examples the pres said in the debate the other night, all those have been explained and you can look it up.) Bias would ruin the results if the same person did all the evaluations for one QB and no one else and no one checked the results. OR, the entire organization is biased against that QB and everyone working on that QB skewed the results. I find either unlikely because PFF is staking their reputation on the accuracy of their analyzations. If someone found bias it would taint everything the company does. Therefore they have a vested interest in being impartial. I would change my mind if something did actually come out about it. But I can't assume it is happening because it could happen. Yup we largely agree in Lance, except for the accuracy issue. |
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