Ballard

[Oldcolt]

Originally Posted by Maniac

That whole "It's not about one guy thing" is BS though. It's always about the franchise QB. Without one, it's a huge uphill battle. Has Ballard built a good team otherwise? Sure. But he could have done that with Luck here too. We would be one of the superbowl favorites this year with him. Now we have to resort to signing a geriatric QB and hope that works out.

Disagree. Franchise qbs may make fans feel better but they guarantee nothing. Look at all the rings Marino has. Elway didn't get one until he was no longer a franchise qb. We had a franchise qb for 19 years (13 Manning, 6 Luck) and won one Super Bowl. We won that one in a downpour. Not arguing we would be better with Luck, we would be better with Unitas or Sid Luckman to but they ain't coming back either. Any civilian has the right to quit any job for any reason. We need to just get over it. This is a good team, there is no reason to send time on what ifs.

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

Disagree. Franchise qbs may make fans feel better but they guarantee nothing. Look at all the rings Marino has. Elway didn't get one until he was no longer a franchise qb. We had a franchise qb for 19 years (13 Manning, 6 Luck) and won one Super Bowl. We won that one in a downpour. Not arguing we would be better with Luck, we would be better with Unitas or Sid Luckman to but they ain't coming back either. Any civilian has the right to quit any job for any reason. We need to just get over it. This is a good team, there is no reason to send time on what ifs.

QBs get way too much credit for winning and way too much credit for losses.

[Maniac]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

Disagree. Franchise qbs may make fans feel better but they guarantee nothing. Look at all the rings Marino has. Elway didn't get one until he was no longer a franchise qb. We had a franchise qb for 19 years (13 Manning, 6 Luck) and won one Super Bowl. We won that one in a downpour. Not arguing we would be better with Luck, we would be better with Unitas or Sid Luckman to but they ain't coming back either. Any civilian has the right to quit any job for any reason. We need to just get over it. This is a good team, there is no reason to send time on what ifs.

Who ever said they guarantee anything? No one said that. But there is NO denying that they give you a far better chance at winning games.

Us winning one superbowl doesn't prove your point. How many winning seasons did we have under those franchise QB's? Most of the time in the playoffs, you end up playing other teams who have their own franchise QB's and they may be better than you. It doesn't negate the positive effect of having one on your team.

I would MUCH rather have that one superbowl and the many, many winning seasons that we've had under Manning and Luck than be in the position of other teams in our own division who kept searching for franchise qb's and failing while being stuck in mediocrity.

If you're a GM and you don't have a franchise QB, you're trying like hell to get one or develop a QB into one. There is a reason why franchise QB's are the highest paid, and the next highest paid positions are those who can get to them and disrupt them or the guy protecting their blind side.

[Oldcolt]

Originally Posted by Maniac

Who ever said they guarantee anything? No one said that. But there is NO denying that they give you a far better chance at winning games.

Us winning one superbowl doesn't prove your point. How many winning seasons did we have under those franchise QB's? Most of the time in the playoffs, you end up playing other teams who have their own franchise QB's and they may be better than you. It doesn't negate the positive effect of having one on your team.

I would MUCH rather have that one superbowl and the many, many winning seasons that we've had under Manning and Luck than be in the position of other teams in our own division who kept searching for franchise qb's and failing while being stuck in mediocrity.

If you're a GM and you don't have a franchise QB, you're trying like hell to get one or develop a QB into one. There is a reason why franchise QB's are the highest paid, and the next highest paid positions are those who can get to them and disrupt them or the guy protecting their blind side.

I think we are probably on the same page, its hard to have a complicated conversation this way. Where we seem to disagree is I would rather have a star at GM than any one player. Over time good administrations win.

[Big Smooth]

I just wrote a huge long thing about my stance on Luck and when I clicked to send it I was logged out and I lost it all. Damn I had some good stuff in there now im pissed.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by Big Smooth

I just wrote a huge long thing about my stance on Luck and when I clicked to send it I was logged out and I lost it all. Damn I had some good stuff in there now im pissed.

That happens to me all the goddamn time.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Originally Posted by Big Smooth

I just wrote a huge long thing about my stance on Luck and when I clicked to send it I was logged out and I lost it all. Damn I had some good stuff in there now im pissed.

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

That happens to me all the goddamn time.

Maybe it depends on what device + browser + settings you are using, but whenever that happens to me - I don't lose the post.

Once you are prompted to log in - go ahead and log in.

Then hit the back button on your browser and I have always been able to recover the post.

[smitty46953]

Originally Posted by Big Smooth

I just wrote a huge long thing about my stance on Luck and when I clicked to send it I was logged out and I lost it all. Damn I had some good stuff in there now im pissed.

Do it again, quitter LOL

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

I think we are probably on the same page, its hard to have a complicated conversation this way. Where we seem to disagree is I would rather have a star at GM than any one player. Over time good administrations win.

The one time our star GM has actually made the playoffs was with a franchise QB.

[Oldcolt]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

The one time our star GM has actually made the playoffs was with a franchise QB.

Its been four years and my goal isn't playoffs. You and I are on completely different pages. You believe only one Super Bowl in 19 years doesn't prove my point. For me that is the whole point, winning Super Bowls. I am over loving making the playoffs because one outstanding player pulls us there only to inevitably getting our asses handed to us by a more rounded team. I agree, however, that one Super Bowl is better than a lifetime of mediocre play. I don't believe those are the options. Multiple Super Bowls are possible without a super qb, just look at New England with the POS they have had a qb. Nice to argue over football with you. Stay safe.