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Old 11-01-2018, 04:07 PM
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Anyone that puts stock in pff grades is an absolute moron.
Remember when Ben Utecht was the #1 TE in the NFL because he graded high on his blocking assignments?

Remember when Samson Satele was a Secret Superstar?

Remember when Marlon Mack ran for 132 yards (5.3 ypc) and 2 TDs but PFF said it he wasn't that good in the game?

Fuck PFF.
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Remember when Ben Utecht was the #1 TE in the NFL because he graded high on his blocking assignments?

Remember when Samson Satele was a Secret Superstar?

Remember when Marlon Mack ran for 132 yards (5.3 ypc) and 2 TDs but PFF said it he wasn't that good in the game?

Fuck PFF.
You know your methodology needs to change when...
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Old 11-01-2018, 04:27 PM
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Remember when Ben Utecht was the #1 TE in the NFL because he graded high on his blocking assignments?

Remember when Samson Satele was a Secret Superstar?

Remember when Marlon Mack ran for 132 yards (5.3 ypc) and 2 TDs but PFF said it he wasn't that good in the game?

Fuck PFF.
How people buy into a pff grade is beyond me. They do have some fine information im sure for objective information likensnap counts but player grades? Fuck off
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How people buy into a pff grade is beyond me. They do have some fine information im sure for objective information likensnap counts but player grades? Fuck off
They believe that the subjective opinion of the grader is educated, but that system so easily lends itself to infiltration by various biases as to render it practically useless.
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They believe that the subjective opinion of the grader is educated, but that system so easily lends itself to infiltration by various biases as to render it practically useless.
Agreed - any grading system that isn't completely transparent needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Here's the description that PFF gives of how it's grades are reached, in case anyone was curious:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pff-player-grades

Basically, their team of "300 plus staff" give a grade to each player of between -2 and +2 on each play, and then they tweak and "normalize" those numbers in some way that makes sense to them, and finally they convert it all onto a 0-100 scale. As Dam points out, subjective input factors HEAVILY in these analyses and, by the way, what makes the -2 to +2 initial scale appropriate to begin with?

People just like this stuff because it attaches a number to a player's performance that give the impression of significance and objectivity, but looking under the hood reveals that it really doesn't and often the PFF numbers simply do not make sense - such as Leonard being ranked behind Vander Esch. These kind of things then generate lots of discussion, which has the unintended effect of boosting PFF's profile even more - so PFF isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
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Old 11-02-2018, 10:26 AM
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"Hey PFF your grades are stupid."

"No they're not. They're accurate based on our criteria, not our fault it doesn't match yours."

"Well then your criteria must suck, what is it?"

"Not telling."
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Old 11-02-2018, 11:47 AM
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This PFF like breakdown was posted on Reddit and was interesting. Does not sell me on the +/-2 system at all.
https://thecornerbacks.wordpress.com...kland-raiders/

Taking away from Macks performance because the OL did great seems sort of dumb. The passing part is sort of understandable, but overall the syatem is suspect.

Also
https://thecornerbacks.wordpress.com...buffalo-bills/
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Chris Wesseling has named Kelly as his starting all-pro center on his mid season all pro team. Accolades are nice. Lets hope the line can keep this up against better teams. Will be fun to see if they can (obviously I think they can otherwise it would not be fun)
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Chris Wesseling has named Kelly as his starting all-pro center on his mid season all pro team. Accolades are nice. Lets hope the line can keep this up against better teams. Will be fun to see if they can (obviously I think they can otherwise it would not be fun)
I'm a bit worried about the Jags....I know that they are back sliding but their dline absolutely raped our oline last year.....I hope that AC and Ryan Kelly spend their bye week thinking about that......I would love to see them return the favor next week.....with a little bit of Nelson, Glowinski, and Smith loving added to the party....now that would be fun!
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All I know is, the past 2 games have been sheer joy to watch, at least from an offensive perspective. Luck is doing his taxes back there and just killing teams.

I doubt they washed his uniform after Oakland.
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