Wtf vontae?

[Coltsalr]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Look at posts from last season. Back then, your collective concern was that there wasn't accountability. That was even the case earlier this season as I recall. This is my biggest problem, there's no consistency to your argument. Every time something is addressed, all you do is move the goalposts.

It's not like the argument has shifted to EVERYONE IS HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND WE HATE THAT.

Guys like TJ Green, Kamar Aiken, the whole OL, etc are clearly NOT held accountable even still.

So now he's selectively choosing where to dole out accountability. As opposed to not doing it at all. Which is even worse.

That's not shifting the argument. That's calling it as we see 'em. As opposed to just fantasizing about Pagano.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Brylok

I've watched the games. Who am I gonna trust? You or my lying eyes? I've never piled on you, but jeez dude, enough already.

I've watched the games as well, and we have differing opinions. I'm fine with leaving it at agree to disagree, but so much opinion around here is stated as fact.

Originally Posted by Coltsalr

It's not like the argument has shifted to EVERYONE IS HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND WE HATE THAT.

Guys like TJ Green, Kamar Aiken, the whole OL, etc are clearly NOT held accountable even still.

So now he's selectively choosing where to dole out accountability. As opposed to not doing it at all. Which is even worse.

That's not shifting the argument. That's calling it as we see 'em. As opposed to just fantasizing about Pagano.

It is moving the goalposts.

Most Colts fans: "We don't like that Pagano doesn't hold players accountable."

Pagano: *Starts clearly and unmistakably holding players accountable*

Most Colts fans: "We don't like the way in which Pagano is holding players accountable."

Logically, that is textbook moving the goalposts fallacy.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

I've watched the games as well, and we have differing opinions. I'm fine with leaving it at agree to disagree, but so much opinion around here is stated as fact.



It is moving the goalposts.

Most Colts fans: "We don't like that Pagano doesn't hold players accountable."

Pagano: *Starts clearly and unmistakably holding players accountable*

Most Colts fans: "We don't like the way in which Pagano is holding players accountable."

Logically, that is textbook moving the goalposts fallacy.

moving the goal posts like

"paganos hands were tied by grigson"

to now him doing the same shit without grigson

"grigson and ballard are terrible. it isn't pagano"

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

moving the goal posts like

"paganos hands were tied by grigson"

to now him doing the same shit without grigson

"grigson and ballard are terrible. it isn't pagano"

I haven't been critical of Ballard. He's actually made good moves for the most part thus far, but no GM could've undone all of Grigson's damage in one off-season. And no coach could've taken this roster, especially with no Luck, to the playoffs. That's not moving the goalposts, that's being aware of the talent on the roster.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

I haven't been critical of Ballard. He's actually made good moves for the most part thus far, but no GM could've undone all of Grigson's damage in one off-season. And no coach could've taken this roster, especially with no Luck, to the playoffs. That's not moving the goalposts, that's being aware of the talent on the roster.

No

That is making excuses for Pagano

[Brylok]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

No

That is making excuses for Pagano

He's schticking to the proshesh.

[Pez]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

I've watched the games as well, and we have differing opinions. I'm fine with leaving it at agree to disagree, but so much opinion around here is stated as fact.



It is moving the goalposts.

Most Colts fans: "We don't like that Pagano doesn't hold players accountable."

Pagano: *Starts clearly and unmistakably holding players accountable*

Most Colts fans: "We don't like the way in which Pagano is holding players accountable."

Logically, that is textbook moving the goalposts fallacy.

ok cool, so you're saying that:

Vontae told him to eat a bag of dicks and he was held accountable...
Wilson wasn't a good special teams player and was held accountable...

Pagano cant call a timeout or understand a challenge flag and crickets...
Chud cant plan for more than 1.5 quarters a game, crickets...
Green is a horrible player and has drawn incredibly stupid penalties...
Dontae Moncrief is mailing it in, crickets....
Aiken is still horrible, crickets...
Brisset holds the ball far too long before he throws it to aiken, crickets...
Philbin and Gilbert watch our OL get manhandled week after week (Gilbert for all six of Luck's seasons), crickets....

Pagano: *Starts clearly and unmistakably holding players accountable*

Where is the clear and unmistakable part?

[Brylok]

Originally Posted by Pez

ok cool, so you're saying that:

Dontae Moncrief is mailing it in, crickets

I'm not as down on Moncrief as most people. I think the problem is Chud's offensive is so bad it doesn't give him much of a chance to make plays. TY Hilton can barely make any plays when Brissett is overwhelmed and has to check down to Doyle and Aiken so much. Or just gets sacked. If the money is right, I'd resign Crief. When Chud is gone, the problems will fix themselves.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Brylok

I'm not as down on Moncrief as most people. I think the problem is Chud's offensive is so bad it doesn't give him much of a chance to make plays. TY Hilton can barely make any plays when Brissett is overwhelmed and has to check down to Doyle and Aiken so much. Or just gets sacked. If the money is right, I'd resign Crief. When Chud is gone, the problems will fix themselves.

moncrief got demoted for a shit sandwich (aiken)


i am not down on him either. except for his shit celebrations that he should stop

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

moncrief got demoted for a shit sandwich (aiken)


i am not down on him either. except for his shit celebrations that he should stop

If by shit sandwich you mean bread made of shit holding meat made of shit, you would be absolutely correct. If you meant actual bread with shit, you would be wrong, but headed in the right direction.