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Old 02-02-2017, 08:50 AM
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Some of you guys would be happy with anything that walks.... Where the hell is Dallas Clark type good TE's? We're behind the curve. The TE is the offensive weapon now. I like Doyle as a back-up. Swoope is not a starter. Allen cost us a shot at the division in London......not a fan.
Wtf are you talking about? Allen didn't cost us the jags game
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Old 02-02-2017, 09:55 AM
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Tight End is an offensive weapon... However, that doesn't mean we need to constantly be searching for the "truth" like Clark, Graham, etc... Doyle isn't an athletic freak like Gronk. Unless he wants to stay for cheap then I don't want him when we're paying Allen all of that money.
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Old 02-02-2017, 01:20 PM
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Spotrac projects Doyle to get a four-year deal worth $24,803,317, which would pay him an average of $6,200,829 per season.

opinions? I think I would do it unless it really prohibits us from a better FA even at another position.
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Spotrac projects Doyle to get a four-year deal worth $24,803,317, which would pay him an average of $6,200,829 per season.

opinions? I think I would do it unless it really prohibits us from a better FA even at another position.
Depends on the philosophy going forward. Good TEs are not overly available, so he would get paid by someone. Do you see him as a part of the future? Do you see him as one you have to keep to contend now, if we are close to contending?

If we are looking to be FA players in the future, we need to roll dollars forward. You would have to make room for him if you want to carry any cap dollars into future years. That may mean cutting Allen.
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Old 02-02-2017, 02:14 PM
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Depends on the philosophy going forward. Good TEs are not overly available, so he would get paid by someone. Do you see him as a part of the future? Do you see him as one you have to keep to contend now, if we are close to contending?

If we are looking to be FA players in the future, we need to roll dollars forward. You would have to make room for him if you want to carry any cap dollars into future years. That may mean cutting Allen.
Why do we need to roll dollars forward?

In 2017, we now project to have around $47m to spend on free agents (now that Patty Mac's numbers come off the board) and up to $57m if we cut Jones and Jackson.

In 2018, we currently only have $96m committed which, if the cap keeps bumping up at around the same rate each season, would mean we have around $80m in free cap space. Of course, that $80m has to account for anyone signed in 2017 so even if we spend all $47m in 2017 we STILL have $33m of new money to spend in 2018.

In 2019, we only have $70m currently allotted so even if we spend all $80 over 2017 and 2018, we are STILL free on about $40m of NEW money in 2019.

Seriously, the issue is not rolling money over; the issue is spending our free money WELL on players who are part of the solution going forward.

And, if after watching Jack Doyle for the past three seasons, you don't think he is part of a football solution going forward, I just don't know what to say.

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Wtf are you talking about? Allen didn't cost us the jags game
You're blind. He dropped a pass on 4th and 1 that would've extended a potential game winning drive.
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More Doyle stats from an article from www.bigbluereview.com (NY Giants Blogs)

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His 59 catches this year are the most by a Colts tight end in six years, more than Coby Fleener ever had in his four seasons here, more than Dwayne Allen has had in five.
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No tight end in football – not Travis Kelce, not Greg Olsen, not Jimmy Graham – caught more of his targets in 2016. Doyle’s 78.7 catch percentage (59 catches on 75 targets) was ninth in the league and first among tight ends with at least 50 targets.
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For reference, he was ranked 15th of 63 qualifying tight ends by Pro Football Focus with a run-blocking grade of 69.4
This year, he was more "Dwayne Allen" than Dwayne Allen was. Jack can do it all.

I hope he is on the squad in 2017.

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I'd rather pay Doyle $6million a year than Allen, given the choice.
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You're blind. He dropped a pass on 4th and 1 that would've extended a potential game winning drive.
That was a good defensive play, retard
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Old 02-02-2017, 06:40 PM
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Way too soon to give up on Allen. He could have a monster year in 2017
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