Quick Thoughts on the Giants

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by apballin

So someone told him he couldn’t play and he agreed.

I’m sure if it were up to doctors Peyton Manning would have missed a lot of games.

If he wanted to play I’m sure he can over ride medical advice, it’s football. So again if they’re babying him and expecting the rest of the team to play thru everything I’m not surprised guys started booking trips to Cancun before the Giants game

So when Steichen wouldn’t let him return to the Steelers game he should have said fuck coach and went out anyway? When Steichen benched him for two games should he have said fuck this and went out anyway? I mean no way would Peyton have taken being benched. The idea that a 22 yr old QB should over rule medical staff and his coach or he’s a pussy is so fucking ridiculous as to be absurd. Do you feel the same way about the shoulder surgery? Should he have disregarded the teams recommendations on having surgery and just played?

It’s funny how AR both sucks so much and at the same time him sitting is the reason the team collapsed against the Giants. I guess I just struggle to understand how he caused the collapse in Jacksonville a couple of years ago. Or the Saturday season. What I see is an inexperienced 22 yr old that’s shown symptoms of the clown show surrounding him. And I don’t know how you could have watched Colts football for the last 8 years and not seen the trends. The team quit because that’s what it does under Ballard. If the team felt it couldn’t beat the Giants with a backup QB then that says a hell of a lot more about the culture Ballard has built than it does about AR.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

Luck played with a lacerated kidney, among multiple other injuries.

Remind me how that all worked out for the franchise…

[apballin]

Originally Posted by rm1369

So when Steichen wouldn’t let him return to the Steelers game he should have said fuck coach and went out anyway? When Steichen benched him for two games should he have said fuck this and went out anyway? I mean no way would Peyton have taken being benched. The idea that a 22 yr old QB should over rule medical staff and his coach or he’s a pussy is so fucking ridiculous as to be absurd. Do you feel the same way about the shoulder surgery? Should he have disregarded the teams recommendations on having surgery and just played?

It’s funny how AR both sucks so much and at the same time him sitting is the reason the team collapsed against the Giants. I guess I just struggle to understand how he caused the collapse in Jacksonville a couple of years ago. Or the Saturday season. What I see is an inexperienced 22 yr old that’s shown symptoms of the clown show surrounding him. And I don’t know how you could have watched Colts football for the last 8 years and not seen the trends. The team quit because that’s what it does under Ballard. If the team felt it couldn’t beat the Giants with a backup QB then that says a hell of a lot more about the culture Ballard has built than it does about AR.

How long can you use his age as an excuse? It’s his 2nd year in the NFL regardless he chose to enter the draft early.

Have the Colts handled this the right way fuck no, I thought they had a plan in place for drafting a young project QB. Obviously they had no idea how to handle him. Obviously their vision was way off about an offense with him and Taylor.

I see potential in the dude but goddam you’ve gotta be out there that’s priority number 1. I’m not ready to give up on the guy but if he can’t figure out how to be a running QB and stay on the field then it will not matter anyway because he will not be around much longer

And no I had no problem with him getting the surgery, but as a competitor he should be fighting, screaming, breaking shit, or whatever it takes to get in that fuckin field. That’s who I want as my leader

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by rm1369

Remind me how that all worked out for the franchise…

The point is, not whether or not it worked. It's that QB's who are leaders, will put their ass on the line, as much or more than anybody on the team.

That sets the standard.

[sherck]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

Something tells me that AR just isn't cut out for the NFL. But time will tell.

While this may be true, having watched him on the field, I am pretty sure that AR just isn't cut out to be a QB in the NFL.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by apballin

So someone told him he couldn’t play and he agreed.

I’m sure if it were up to doctors Peyton Manning would have missed a lot of games.

If he wanted to play I’m sure he can over ride medical advice, it’s football. So again if they’re babying him and expecting the rest of the team to play thru everything I’m not surprised guys started booking trips to Cancun before the Giants game

so you are still assuming that he was healthy enough to play. with absolutely zero knowledge of what he was actually going through

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

PM played with a broken jaw for multiple games of the 2001 season. In fact he missed only missed 1 play I believe.

Luck played with a lacerated kidney, among multiple other injuries.

Bert Jones played with a what amounted to a separated shoulder.

Something tells me that AR just isn't cut out for the NFL. But time will tell.

players should absolutely consult the medical team when deciding what to play through

guys used to play through concussions as well. look how that worked out for a lot of players.

[Colts And Orioles]

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I've often said that the toughest SOB that I ever saw play QB was Ben Roethlisberger. And the 2nd toughest that I ever saw play was Tom Brady.


I just came across something in regard to l Doug Williams. lOn the final game of the 1982 season, the Buccaneers needed a win to beat the Bears to make the playoffs. In the 2nd quarter with the Buccaneers driving deep in Bears territory, Williams was sacked and he fumbled. Steve McMichael picked up the ball at the Bears' 28-yardline, and had clear sailing to the end-Zone (72 yards.) Williams was playing the game with a pulled hamstring, and he had just gotten sacked. He got up off of the ground and almost miraculously caught McMichael at the Buccaneers' 8-yardline, taking the 270-pound defensive tackle to the turf. Instead of a TD, the Bears had to settle for a FG ....... the Buccaneers won the game in overtime, sending them to the playoffs for the 3rd time in 4 years.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDm5qfarV8M



SIDENOTE: l I am a fan of Anthony Richardson, and I don't question his toughness. He often takes on defenders like a battering ram as though he were Earl Campbell or Jim Brown, something that very few quarterbacks in today's game do. I'm only sharing this story about Doug Williams because the subject of a quarterback's toughness has come to light in this thread.

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[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

Players should absolutely consult the medical team when deciding what to play through.

Guys used to play through concussions as well ...... look at how that worked out for a lot of those players.

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People often point to the "good old days", when players sometimes played through pain and injuries. A good number of players from those "good old days" wound up with scrambled eggs for brains, and some have committed suicide. I don't think that anybody would ever question the toughness of Junior Seau, Mike Webster, Dave Duerson, or Andre Waters ...... but all of those players are now in a pine box, 6 feet under the ground, all of them died far too young. Sometimes we forget that these football players (both past and present) are human.

If Jim Otto had a bone of his finger literally sticking through his skin and wrapped a towel around his hand and continued playing, good for him ...... I personally don't hold players (past or present) to such insanely high standards.

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[omahacolt]

AR says he has a disc issue per the doctors. was crawling around his house last Tuesday. couldn't walk


anyone thinking he is just being a bitch is a moron that has never had back issues before