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Old 02-21-2020, 01:01 PM
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The Colts don’t just need an improvement at QB, they need a franchise QB. There is no need to draft anyone that you don’t believe with a high degree of confidence can be that guy. You don’t draft Eason in the 2nd and then draft someone else next year. If you draft him then you are investing several years into developing him.

Ballard needs to identify the one or two guys in this draft he’s willing to stake his job on and go get one of them. Or take a DT or OT (maybe WR I guess) at 13 and look to push at least one of the 2nd rounders into the future so he has ammo to go get the guy next year. Trading this years number one for ammo next year works to I suppose. But you don’t just take a QB high and then plan to try again next year. Whoever you draft is your guy for at least 3 years IMO.

(To be clear - I’m not suggesting Ballard will or even should be fired if his QB doesn’t pan out, but it’s simply reality that how he handles the QB position will have more impact on his success or failure than any other single decision he makes)
That is the interesting option to use the #34 pick with.

That pick could be seen by a lot of teams as pure gold if "their" guy whom they were sure was a 1st round pick is still on the board at the end of day one.

Much like when we traded our next year 1st round pick for Tony Ugoh, someone who is likely to end up with a top half 1st round pick next season might be willing to give it to us for their guy this year.

Ending up 2020 with two top half 1st round picks is a really attractive place to be if you want to go TL shopping. Both your 1st round picks and a future 2nd for the #1 overall? Its possible, it depends on how far down the board you are.
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Old 02-21-2020, 01:54 PM
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Not trying to say that this is the silver bullet, but...

2019 / 70.4% completion / 4,054 yards / 7.9 ypa / 21 TD / 08 INT / 100.8 QBR
2018 / 68.9% completion / 4,049 yards / 7.3 ypa / 19 TD / 10 INT / 93.9 QBR
2017 / 62.7% completion / 3,496 yards / 6.8 ypa / 22 TD / 13 INT / 86.4 QBR

2019 / 60.8% completion / 2,942 yards / 6.6 ypa / 18 TD / 06 INT / 88.0 QBR
2017 / 58.8% completion / 3,098 yards / 6.6 ypa / 13 TD / 07 INT / 81.7 QBR

Darek Carr (top stat lines) will be 29 for the 2020 season
Jacoby Brisset (bottom stat lines) will be 27 for most of the 2020 season

All stats are trending up for Carr except number of TDs thrown over the past three years. You could almost say the same for JB but his yards per attempt did not change from 2017 to 2019.

Bridgewater does not have enough snaps in 2017 - 2019 to make a good comparison. Sure, he played GREAT in 2019 (3 games over 70% completion, 4:1 TD to INT ratio, 99.1 QBR but I am not sold on paying him as a long term starter based on that small of a body of work.

I don't know what the Raiders will want for Carr but of all the free agent options out there, he appears to be the one that looks the most attractive from a skill, cap and compensation standpoint. His cap hit over the next three years would be just under $20m per year for a team who trades from him.

If we could trade # 44 for Carr, I think that would be a good thing.
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Here's Spotrac's breakdown of Brian Hoyer's contract:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianap...an-hoyer-7035/

If I'm reading this correctly (and assuming Spotrac's info is also correct), Hoyer's 2020 salary and bonus are scheduled to become guaranteed in "March 2020", and that if he is cut before then there would be essentially no cap hit. So, if Hoyer somehow survives March, then I'd say we are unlikely to trade for Carr, sign Rivers, and possibly unlikely to draft a QB at all. Free agency begins on March 18, so I would be nice to know the exact date of Hoyer's guarantee date.

So I guess Hoyer status will be the canary in the coal mine which will signal what the Colts intent is with respect to the QB position this offseason. I gotta think he's a goner.
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No reason for him to be on the roster today.
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Irsay is going to be available to the media tomorrow. Any guesses what he will say about the CBA that will tick off the other owners>
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As of right now, give me Darek Carr and draft a defensive lineman/pass-rusher with 13. I don't think the kid QBs we could get are going to pan out, and I don't want to be stuck with a Mitch Trubisky type player. This changes if Costanzo retires.
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Not trying to say that this is the silver bullet, but...

2019 / 70.4% completion / 4,054 yards / 7.9 ypa / 21 TD / 08 INT / 100.8 QBR
2018 / 68.9% completion / 4,049 yards / 7.3 ypa / 19 TD / 10 INT / 93.9 QBR
2017 / 62.7% completion / 3,496 yards / 6.8 ypa / 22 TD / 13 INT / 86.4 QBR

2019 / 60.8% completion / 2,942 yards / 6.6 ypa / 18 TD / 06 INT / 88.0 QBR
2017 / 58.8% completion / 3,098 yards / 6.6 ypa / 13 TD / 07 INT / 81.7 QBR

Darek Carr (top stat lines) will be 29 for the 2020 season
Jacoby Brisset (bottom stat lines) will be 27 for most of the 2020 season

All stats are trending up for Carr except number of TDs thrown over the past three years. You could almost say the same for JB but his yards per attempt did not change from 2017 to 2019.

Bridgewater does not have enough snaps in 2017 - 2019 to make a good comparison. Sure, he played GREAT in 2019 (3 games over 70% completion, 4:1 TD to INT ratio, 99.1 QBR but I am not sold on paying him as a long term starter based on that small of a body of work.

I don't know what the Raiders will want for Carr but of all the free agent options out there, he appears to be the one that looks the most attractive from a skill, cap and compensation standpoint. His cap hit over the next three years would be just under $20m per year for a team who trades from him.

If we could trade # 44 for Carr, I think that would be a good thing.
On a well coached team, with a good defense and good running game...those stats will win you a SB.

I would not be willing to give up the 13th pick for Carr though.
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Not trying to say that this is the silver bullet, but...

2019 / 70.4% completion / 4,054 yards / 7.9 ypa / 21 TD / 08 INT / 100.8 QBR
2018 / 68.9% completion / 4,049 yards / 7.3 ypa / 19 TD / 10 INT / 93.9 QBR
2017 / 62.7% completion / 3,496 yards / 6.8 ypa / 22 TD / 13 INT / 86.4 QBR

2019 / 60.8% completion / 2,942 yards / 6.6 ypa / 18 TD / 06 INT / 88.0 QBR
2017 / 58.8% completion / 3,098 yards / 6.6 ypa / 13 TD / 07 INT / 81.7 QBR

Darek Carr (top stat lines) will be 29 for the 2020 season
Jacoby Brisset (bottom stat lines) will be 27 for most of the 2020 season

All stats are trending up for Carr except number of TDs thrown over the past three years. You could almost say the same for JB but his yards per attempt did not change from 2017 to 2019.

Bridgewater does not have enough snaps in 2017 - 2019 to make a good comparison. Sure, he played GREAT in 2019 (3 games over 70% completion, 4:1 TD to INT ratio, 99.1 QBR but I am not sold on paying him as a long term starter based on that small of a body of work.

I don't know what the Raiders will want for Carr but of all the free agent options out there, he appears to be the one that looks the most attractive from a skill, cap and compensation standpoint. His cap hit over the next three years would be just under $20m per year for a team who trades from him.

If we could trade # 44 for Carr, I think that would be a good thing.
If you can get Carr for the 44th overall pick, do it. Otherwise, I'd prefer to roll the dice on Bridgewater since all he'll cost is money (and the Colts have a ton of that) and we're talking about a former first round QB who looked like a budding star prior to a devastating knee injury in Minnesota, who THEN came out and did what he did this year filling in for one of the best QBs ever. The body of work to me suggests a diamond in the rough that could allow the Colts to spend on other parts of the team and put together a real contender very quickly.
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On a well coached team, with a good defense and good running game...those stats will win you a SB.

I would not be willing to give up the 13th pick for Carr though.
With Carrs' contract running through 2022, I could see the Colts offering a 3rd round pick (79). If the Raiders don't value him enough to let him go I imagine a 3rd to free up the cap space would do it.

Carrs' Cap Hits:
2020: $18.9 million
2021: $19.52 million
2022: $19.77 million
2023: Free Agent
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Rumor the Colts are interested in Nelson Agolhor of the Eagles. God I hope not, guy can’t catch a cold. If the do sign him I will seriously have to question their priorities when evaluating and signing receivers.

If the Raiders sign someone else at QB. I doubt they keep Carr, you should be able to get him pretty cheap. I certainly wouldn’t give up the 44th pick. Rather draft Fromm with it.

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