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Old 04-16-2019, 06:08 AM
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Jaff. Seriously. You do understand the difference here right? Maybe I missed the sarcasm and if I did I apologize.

But all of this stuff makes a difference on the NFL level. This is notFriday night HS football

Measurable safe a REAL THING JSYK
Do you know what a T rex can't do?

1. reach his wallet
2. scratch his nose
3. wipe his bum
4. play Nintendo, apparently he can't hit the buttons and fire at the same time.

Did the guy make plays? Freeney was too short and too light to play DE. Leonard didnt play in a big time conference, taken too high. Manning wasn't the athelete Leaf was.

DID THE GUY MAKE PLAYS?
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Old 04-16-2019, 08:52 AM
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Do you know what a T rex can't do?

1. reach his wallet
2. scratch his nose
3. wipe his bum
4. play Nintendo, apparently he can't hit the buttons and fire at the same time.

Did the guy make plays? Freeney was too short and too light to play DE. Leonard didnt play in a big time conference, taken too high. Manning wasn't the athelete Leaf was.

DID THE GUY MAKE PLAYS?
Ryan Leaf made plays
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Old 04-16-2019, 11:12 AM
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Short arms? What he can't do push ups? He can't reach his wanker? WTF does it mean to have short arms???
Length is helpful for a DL because it allows them to get their hands on the OL first, which disrupts the OL's technique, which makes it easier to win any rep. Length also can help with establishing leverage, which, again, helps to win any rep. A player with shorter arms will be at a disadvantage in those situations, because OL will be able to lock on to them easier, and breaking free of blocks will be more difficult. If you watch tape of players who have length, examples of these scenarios come up all the time. One of Tillery's sacks against Stanford, for example, happened almost entirely because he was able to lock his right arm on the guard's shoulder, completely knock him off balance and not allow him to establish a block, and that allowed him to walk the guard right back to the QB. Using the eye test to see if someone can make plays is good. Understanding how they made those plays and determining if their skillset is such that it will translate to being able to make similar plays at the next higher level of competition is better.
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Old 04-16-2019, 03:31 PM
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Did mathis have really long arms?
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Old 04-16-2019, 03:54 PM
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Do you know what a T rex can't do?

1. reach his wallet
2. scratch his nose
3. wipe his bum
4. play Nintendo, apparently he can't hit the buttons and fire at the same time.

Did the guy make plays? Freeney was too short and too light to play DE. Leonard didnt play in a big time conference, taken too high. Manning wasn't the athelete Leaf was.

DID THE GUY MAKE PLAYS?
Lots of guys make plays at the college level, but that doesn't always translate to the pros. I'm pretty sure you know this. The idea is that ideal measurables give the player a better chance at succeeding in the NFL, which increases the chance that using a draft pick on that player will turn out well. Does it always? Of course not, and some people buck the trend and play at outstanding levels despite imperfect measurables. However, all of that is in the future, and right now teams are just trying to lay their bets down on the players most likely to succeed.
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Did mathis have really long arms?
Yes, he did. 34.5", which is very long for a DL of his height.
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Did mathis have really long arms?
Darius Leonard does.
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Same people who said russell wilson and drew brees were too short. That ricky williams was better than the Edge.

Its not just the outside, its whats inside. Mathis had it. Leonard and Luck have it. Pete Metzalaars and Andre Reed had it. Jeff Saturday absolutely had it.

Thats what Ballard is looking for, and its not on a tape measure. Its talent and the character to maximize their opportunity and all that other nonsense is for the gm wannabes

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If you honestly think measurables don't factor in to a team's evaluation of a player, then you must not watch any of the pre-draft process. These players get measured at every stop along the way: Senior Bowl, Shrine Game, Combine, Pro Day, etc. If measurables didn't matter to GMs, why would that happen?



It's a factor that can help a pass rusher for the reasons I mentioned earlier. It's not the end all be all number, nothing is, but it's a factor that can be a positive or negative for a player in the evaluation process.
No I think internet wanna be GMs take themselves too seiously
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McCoy's release would save the Bucs $13 million against the cap this year. If anything wait to see if Bucs release him. I don't see Ballard sending a pick and a player for the 31 year old McCoy who is under contract through 2021;
2019: $13 million
2020: $10 million (+ $2.5 million / Roster Bonus)
2021: $10,432,253 (+ $2.5 million / Roster Bonus)

Reportedly Tampa Bay has now informed McCoy that they will release him.

https://twitter.com/NFLSTROUD/status...05004455403520
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