Seems it is gonna be D Jones

[Brylok]

We have a QB controversy already. Lol

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

Minshew's better TD/Int ratio and Y/A is enough to make up for the difference in running IMO. And that extra cap space isn't as irrelevant as you think it is, since ~$10M can definitely be the difference between an ok FA signing and a great FA signing or can be used to shore things up. For example we could have used that cap space to have re-signed Kelly.



I don't know. Some folks on here have drank enough Jones Kool Aid to believe he's a shoe in to be our day 1 starter and possibly our franchise QB for the next decade. Obviously I hope they're right (if AR doesn't take a big step fwd), but I'm certainly very skeptical of Jones.

Jones is objectively the better option, at least in terms of talent, upside, and athletic ability.

And if the Colts had wanted to resign Kelly, they would have done so. They have more than enough cap space.

They obviously decided to give Bortolini the job.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

Minshew's better TD/Int ratio and Y/A is enough to make up for the difference in running IMO. And that extra cap space isn't as irrelevant as you think it is, since ~$10M can definitely be the difference between an ok FA signing and a great FA signing or can be used to shore things up. For example we could have used that cap space to have re-signed Kelly.



I don't know. Some folks on here have drank enough Jones Kool Aid to believe he's a shoe in to be our day 1 starter and possibly our franchise QB for the next decade. Obviously I hope they're right (if AR doesn't take a big step fwd), but I'm certainly very skeptical of Jones.

Jones had one good year and got way overpaid for it. Could he be decent here? Sure. He's not going to be anyone's franchise QB, and he'll be gone next year anyway if AR doesn't live up to billing, because the whole regime will be gone.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

Jones is objectively the better option, at least in terms of talent, upside, and athletic ability.

And if the Colts had wanted to resign Kelly, they would have done so. They have more than enough cap space.

They obviously decided to give Bortolini the job.

Are you insane? You're giving talent, upside, and athletic ability to Daniel Jones over Anthony Richardson? Those three things are just about the only things AR has going for him. Jones has more practical skill as a QB right now, but he is nowhere near the athlete and has nowhere near the potential of AR.

[ukcolt]

I think he was referring to Jones and Minshew

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Are you insane? You're giving talent, upside, and athletic ability to Daniel Jones over Anthony Richardson? Those three things are just about the only things AR has going for him. Jones has more practical skill as a QB right now, but he is nowhere near the athlete and has nowhere near the potential of AR.

I was referring to Jones compared to Minshew. I thought that was clear from the discourse but I guess it wasn’t.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

Jones is objectively the better option, at least in terms of talent, upside, and athletic ability.

And if the Colts had wanted to resign Kelly, they would have done so. They have more than enough cap space.

They obviously decided to give Bortolini the job.

Too bad all of that extra RAS goodness hasn't led to any better actual results than what Minshew has produced in his career.

Kelly was just an example. We have a plethora of needs and not a ton of cap space left, which as discussed in the other thread is ~$12M+whatever we saved from Smith's restructure. $4M will have to go to the draft class and another ~$8M for the practice squad and roster churn (per an old Sherck post). So we're looking at maybe ~$10M left for FAs.

Jones had one good year and got way overpaid for it. Could he be decent here? Sure. He's not going to be anyone's franchise QB, and he'll be gone next year anyway if AR doesn't live up to billing, because the whole regime will be gone.

I wouldn't even say it was a good year. More like an ok year w/ 1 really good playoff game in the wild card round (he sucked in the division round). And yes I agree that he isn't franchise QB material, but some people on here are acting like he is which is why I made the comment.

I do think that if AR doesn't pan out this year but Jones ends up having a Darnoldesque turnaround year that he would save Ballard's and Steichen's jobs. Which I'm sure is one reason why Ballard signed him. I don't think Jones has it in him, but if he proves me wrong then I'll certainly happy to admit it.

[Dewey 5]

Originally Posted by ukcolt

I think he was referring to Jones and Minshew

Now that makes more sense

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

Too bad all of that extra RAS goodness hasn't led to any better actual results than what Minshew has produced in his career.

Kelly was just an example. We have a plethora of needs and not a ton of cap space left, which as discussed in the other thread is ~$12M+whatever we saved from Smith's restructure. $4M will have to go to the draft class and another ~$8M for the practice squad and roster churn (per an old Sherck post). So we're looking at maybe ~$10M left for FAs.



I wouldn't even say it was a good year. More like an ok year w/ 1 really good playoff game in the wild card round (he sucked in the division round). And yes I agree that he isn't franchise QB material, but some people on here are acting like he is which is why I made the comment.

I do think that if AR doesn't pan out this year but Jones ends up having a Darnoldesque turnaround year that he would save Ballard's and Steichen's jobs. Which I'm sure is one reason why Ballard signed him. I don't think Jones has it in him, but if he proves me wrong then I'll certainly happy to admit it.

I think Ballard wanted a guy to push AR, to compete with him. I don’t think they wanted a guy who was obviously better than AR, but a guy with talent who could at least conceivably take the job.

They still see AR as the future, they just want him to have to compete.

Thats just my opinion, based on what they’ve said and their actions.

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

The only thing that upsets me about this signing is that Ballard said he was committing to bringing in QB competition for AR. To me, the only QB on the market that could've done that while also fitting Steichen's system was Justin Fields.

If Ballard had just been honest and said they were pursuing a high end backup for AR that would fit the system, Jones would make sense at that point. This signing makes his commentary about legitimate QB competition feel like lip service to an angry fanbase.

It is hard to know who he had in mind, as it takes two to make a deal come to fruition.