Seems it is gonna be D Jones

[apballin]

Best option available I guess

He’ll probably beat out Richardson

[Dewey 5]

Originally Posted by apballin

Best option available I guess

He’ll probably beat out Richardson

No probably about it.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by Kray007

Personally, I think that there’s a lot to like about the signing.

His biggest problem in New York was that he had two General Managers who seem/seemed totally indifferent to the need to build a solid Offensive Line. All too often, his pocket simply collapsed, and two or three pass rushers would converge on him before he had a chance to set up.

Secondly, he had a corps of receivers that could only generously be described as nondescript, a group that was chronically prone to injury and resulted in a situation in which Jones was sometimes throwing to receivers on Sunday who had been brought in off the street on Tuesday.

Third, as Giants owner John Mara mused, the Giants never did a good job of supporting Jones. He saw 3 coaching changes, going from Shurmer, who was fired after Jones rookie season, to Joe Judge who lasted two years, to Brian Daboll, who would have been fired save for the fact that Mara is worried about instability.

What Jones brings to the table is a strong arm, good accuracy, and mobility. If anything happens to Richardson, Jones can step in and you don’t have to shuffle the playbook and change the scheme.

If there’s a danger, it lies in questions about what’s going on between the young man’s ears.

Has he been irretrievably traumatized by his experience with the Giants? Does he hear footsteps where none exist?

Have 5 years of incessant carping from his coaches about interceptions and ball security made him too gun shy and risk averse? Have they weaned him of the gunslinger mentality that was a strength early in his career?

Is he the perfect plan B? I don’t know. What I do know is that you couldn’t put all your eggs in Anthony Richardson’s basket. Even if he irons out his mechanics and becomes the next Josh Allen, legitimate questions linger about his durability. Jones is a Quarterback who is capable of Carrying his team into the playoffs. He did it with the Giants, and if you give him enough support, he can do it in Indy.

Finally a voice of reason, who doesn't just look at stats and determine that Jones is just garbage.

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by Dewey 5

No probably about it.

I don't doubt he will be the better QB in camp and pre-season, but barring a significant injury, I don't see him getting the job.

Can't have him as the actual QB if he beats AR- if so, we stay in QB purgatory as he is not the long term answer. So I see it as a true means to push in hopes it forces AR to be better, and if he doesn't, then we just go full re-set next year at QB, HC, GM.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

I don't doubt he will be the better QB in camp and pre-season, but barring a significant injury, I don't see him getting the job.

Can't have him as the actual QB if he beats AR- if so, we stay in QB purgatory as he is not the long term answer. So I see it as a true means to push in hopes it forces AR to be better, and if he doesn't, then we just go full re-set next year at QB, HC, GM.

Really? Do you think that Steichen and Ballard, who's jobs are on the line, are just bringing Jones in to push Richardson?

I see no way that Irsay signs up for that strategy.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

The only good thing you can say about Jones is that he’s better than Minshew.

Actually he's not. Jones is better runner, but Minshew is a better passer. Here's their career averages prorated to 17 games:

Jones: 64%, 3,541 yds, 17 TDs, 11 Ints, 6.5 Y/A, 529 ruyds, 4 TDs, 12 fmbls
Minshew: 63%, 3,443 yds, 20 TDs, 10 Ints, 6.9 Y/A, 196 ruyds, 1 TD, 10 fmbls

Also, I didn't say I would take Minshew over Jones straight up. That's at least debatable. I said that I would take Minshew +~$10M in cap space over Jones, which IMO isn't.

No probably about it.

If Jones beats out AR then it won't take long for Jones to be benched for AR. Afterall Jones was benched for Tommy DeVito and Drew Lock.

Finally a voice of reason, who doesn't just look at stats and determine that Jones is just garbage.

It's not just Jones' shitty stats. It's that combined w/ guys like DeVito and Lock having outperformed him w/ the same talent around them.

If there’s a danger, it lies in questions about what’s going on between the young man’s ears.

Has he been irretrievably traumatized by his experience with the Giants? Does he hear footsteps where none exist?

Even if you support this move this still has to be a big concern. I didn't watch NYG play much this past season, but when I saw them play Jones was completely terrified of throwing the ball downfield. It was either a SNF or MNF game that really sticks out where the broadcast kept showing how his receivers were consistently open downfield and he had plenty of time to throw, but he would just dump the ball off in the flat on essentially every pass play.

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

Really? Do you think that Steichen and Ballard, who's jobs are on the line, are just bringing Jones in to push Richardson?

I see no way that Irsay signs up for that strategy.

If Jones beats AR out for the starting position, barring a deep playoff run with DJ as the QB, Steichen and Ballard are going to get fired.

I just can't believe that three people with as much knowledge about football as Irsay, Steichen, and Ballard, would convince themselves there is a future for this football team with Jones as QB1 for anything more than spot duty in coverage for an injury. At best, we stay the 8-9, 7-10 football team we are for 2-3 years more with him as the QB, which means Q, Kenny, JT, Buck and Grover, are all washed. There is no way Ballard or Steichen can survive that.

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

Actually he's not. Jones is better runner, but Minshew is a better passer. Here's their career averages prorated to 17 games:

Jones: 64%, 3,541 yds, 17 TDs, 11 Ints, 6.5 Y/A, 529 ruyds, 4 TDs, 12 fmbls
Minshew: 63%, 3,443 yds, 20 TDs, 10 Ints, 6.9 Y/A, 196 ruyds, 1 TD, 10 fmbls

Also, I didn't say I would take Minshew over Jones straight up. That's at least debatable. I said that I would take Minshew +~$10M in cap space over Jones, which IMO isn't.



If Jones beats out AR then it won't take long for Jones to be benched for AR. Afterall Jones was benched for Tommy DeVito and Drew Lock.



It's not just Jones' shitty stats. It's that combined w/ guys like DeVito and Lock having outperformed him w/ the same talent around them.



Even if you support this move this still has to be a big concern. I didn't watch NYG play much this past season, but when I saw them play Jones was completely terrified of throwing the ball downfield. It was either a SNF or MNF game that really sticks out where the broadcast kept showing how his receivers were consistently open downfield and he had plenty of time to throw, but he would just dump the ball off in the flat on essentially every pass play.

Jones has similar passing stats and is a much better runner so yeah, he’s better than Minshew. Also has a much better arm.

I don’t really care about the cap space. It’s not like we’d use it to sign some all world player.

[Dam8610]

The only thing that upsets me about this signing is that Ballard said he was committing to bringing in QB competition for AR. To me, the only QB on the market that could've done that while also fitting Steichen's system was Justin Fields.

If Ballard had just been honest and said they were pursuing a high end backup for AR that would fit the system, Jones would make sense at that point. This signing makes his commentary about legitimate QB competition feel like lip service to an angry fanbase.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

Jones has similar passing stats and is a much better runner so yeah, he’s better than Minshew. Also has a much better arm.

I don’t really care about the cap space. It’s not like we’d use it to sign some all world player.

Minshew's better TD/Int ratio and Y/A is enough to make up for the difference in running IMO. And that extra cap space isn't as irrelevant as you think it is, since ~$10M can definitely be the difference between an ok FA signing and a great FA signing or can be used to shore things up. For example we could have used that cap space to have re-signed Kelly.

The only thing that upsets me about this signing is that Ballard said he was committing to bringing in QB competition for AR. To me, the only QB on the market that could've done that while also fitting Steichen's system was Justin Fields.

If Ballard had just been honest and said they were pursuing a high end backup for AR that would fit the system, Jones would make sense at that point. This signing makes his commentary about legitimate QB competition feel like lip service to an angry fanbase.

I don't know. Some folks on here have drank enough Jones Kool Aid to believe he's a shoe in to be our day 1 starter and possibly our franchise QB for the next decade. Obviously I hope they're right (if AR doesn't take a big step fwd), but I'm certainly very skeptical of Jones.