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View Poll Results: With the third pick...
Barkley 7 14.29%
Chubb 17 34.69%
Nelson 3 6.12%
Trade back 21 42.86%
Other 1 2.04%
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At 3, Darnold hadn't declared. It isn't unreasonable to not know that he declared in the intervening 4 hours.
If you have a smartphone, you get alerts on that sort of thing. Step out of the 80s and into the 21st century, Pags.
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If you were GM and the Browns offered #1 and #4 for Luck, would you hang up on them?

I would have to give this one serious consideration.
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I might entertain it, and then go get Kirk Cousins in free agency, trade the 1st overall pick for a kings ransom, draft Barkley and Chubb with the 3rd and 4th picks, and hope that with the trade of the 1st pick i am able to still grab guard Nelson.

Don't think that there is any chance that the Browns would offer that much for a damaged Luck though.
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If you were GM and the Browns offered #1 and #4 for Luck, would you hang up on them?
I would have a hard time doing that to Andrew Luck...
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If you were GM and the Browns offered #1 and #4 for Luck, would you hang up on them?
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The Jets’ 5-11 record in 2017 was better than most people expected, and so their first-round draft pick, No. 6 overall, is worse than most people expected. General Manager Mike Maccagnan says if he has to trade up to get a better pick, he’ll do it.

Maccagnan was asked on ESPN 98.7 if he would consider trading up, and he said he absolutely would.

“The simple answer to that question is yes,” Maccagnan said. “If that was a player we felt strong about, we would have no qualms of potentially trying to go up and get him.”

Presumably if the Jets trade up, they would be targeting one of the three top quarterbacks, Josh Allen of Wyoming, Sam Darnold of USC and Josh Rosen of UCLA. The Colts, who have the third overall pick but are set at quarterback with Andrew Luck, could be a team fielding plenty of calls from other teams who want a guarantee at one of those three passers.
1.06 would be a great spot. If three QBs and Barkley go top 4, you could have your pick of Chubb, Roquon Smith, or OL depending on who Denver takes at 5.

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30 games / 1,169 attempts / 0,711 completions / 60.8% / 09,301 yards / 059 TD / 26 INT / 139.9 College QB Rating / 6'4" / 218 lbs / Josh Rosen, UCLA
27 games / 0,846 attempts / 0,539 completions / 64.9% / 07,229 yards / 057 TD / 22 INT / 153.7 College QB Rating / 6'4" / 220 lbs / Sam Darnold, USC
27 games / 0,649 attempts / 0,365 completions / 56.2% / 05,066 yards / 044 TD / 21 INT / 137.7 College QB Rating / 6'5" / 233 lbs / Josh Allen, Wyoming
48 games / 1,429 attempts / 1,026 completions / 68.5% / 14,607 yards / 131 TD / 30 INT / 175.4 College QB Rating / 6'1" / 220 lbs / Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
38 games / 1,086 attempts / 0,619 completions / 57.0% / 09,043 yards / 069 TD / 27 INT / 142.9 College QB Rating / 6'3" / 211 lbs / Lamar Jackson, Louisville
42 games / 1,447 attempts / 0,915 completions / 63.2% / 13,618 yards / 092 TD / 26 INT / 159.7 College QB Rating / 6'5" / 230 lbs / Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State

I honestly could see NFL teams falling in love with any of those 6 guys and wanting him to be "their" guy and going and trading up to get him.

Sure, Darnold and Rosen may go #1 and #2....but Mayfield, Allen, Jacksona nd Rudolph are also as viable of franchise QB candidates as the other two.

I could easily see all six guys going in the top 15 picks of the draft.

And, I could see the Colts being able to trade down multiple times to end up in the middle of the draft with a ton of O-Linemen or defensive picks on the board with Top Ten grades and multiple 2nd round picks.

Who knows, but all 6 of those QBs make a case to fall in love with their potential.

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30 games / 1,169 attempts / 0,711 completions / 60.8% / 09,301 yards / 059 TD / 26 INT / 139.9 College QB Rating / 6'4" / 218 lbs / Josh Rosen, UCLA
27 games / 0,846 attempts / 0,539 completions / 64.9% / 07,229 yards / 057 TD / 22 INT / 153.7 College QB Rating / 6'4" / 220 lbs / Sam Darnold, USC
27 games / 0,649 attempts / 0,365 completions / 56.2% / 05,066 yards / 044 TD / 21 INT / 137.7 College QB Rating / 6'5" / 233 lbs / Josh Allen, Wyoming
48 games / 1,429 attempts / 1,026 completions / 68.5% / 14,607 yards / 131 TD / 30 INT / 175.4 College QB Rating / 6'1" / 220 lbs / Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
38 games / 1,086 attempts / 0,619 completions / 57.0% / 09,043 yards / 069 TD / 27 INT / 142.9 College QB Rating / 6'3" / 211 lbs / Lamar Jackson, Louisville
42 games / 1,447 attempts / 0,915 completions / 63.2% / 13,618 yards / 092 TD / 26 INT / 159.7 College QB Rating / 6'5" / 230 lbs / Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State

I honestly could see NFL teams falling in love with any of those 6 guys and wanting him to be "their" guy and going and trading up to get him.

Sure, Darnold and Rosen may go #1 and #2....but Mayfield, Allen, Jacksona nd Rudolph are also as viable of franchise QB candidates as the other two.

I could easily see all six guys going in the top 15 picks of the draft.

And, I could see the Colts being able to trade down multiple times to end up in the middle of the draft with a ton of O-Linemen or defensive picks on the board with Top Ten grades and multiple 2nd round picks.

Who knows, but all 6 of those QBs make a case to fall in love with their potential.

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Rosen and Darnold are coveted much higher than the rest. True, the others can have teams wanting them, but I don't think a King's ransom would be given for them. A decent 1 and a 4 maybe, but not much more.
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Rosen and Darnold are coveted much higher than the rest. True, the others can have teams wanting them, but I don't think a King's ransom would be given for them. A decent 1 and a 4 maybe, but not much more.
The Texans traded the Browns their 1st round pick (#25) and their 2018 first round pick (which will be #4, but obviously they had no way of knowing that ), for the #12 overall pick last year to grab Deshaun Watson.

The Chiefs traded the Bills their first round pick (#27 overall), their 3rd rounder and their 2018 first rounder to move up to #10 to grab Patrick Mahomes.

I think that guys like Mayfield/Allen will have similar value and that if it's moving up to #3, the asking price should be, at a minimum, this year's #1 (and it better be a first half selection) and next years' as well as another round pick in 2018.

I agree with you that guys like Mayfield/Allen aren't going to grade out as being "Trade The Franchise Worthy", but I do think that it's possible that if two QB's go one-two and there's a bunch of other QB-starved teams that it's possible a run on QB's to open the draft could cause a team to desperately trade the Colts a healthy sum.
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