AR benched - Flacco to start next game

[southside asshole]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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Your first post since the Steelers game last month.


http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=187118

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Oh shit you got me. The jig is up.

I forgot about that. How long had it been before that one?

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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Your first post since the Steelers game last month.


http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=187118

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Originally Posted by southside asshole

Oh shit, you got me. The jig is up.

I forgot about that ...... how long had it been before that one ???

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5 years ...... and that also, was after a game against the Steelers.


http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/show...058#post306058

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[ChoppedWood]

Okay, fuck it, couldn't resist, went back and watched the game to confirm the shit I posted yesterday in the game thread and with both Bowen and Orlovsky's comments in mind.

From what I saw, this was the best full game we've seen AR play. Brady, Montana, Manning, good, nope, not close. Graded on an AR slope, from my perspective- absolutely his best game throwing the ball.

You know who wasn't good, who was downright fucking bad, the fucking lame ass OL! If you want to see some dudes put on the bench- there's a series of big fucking loafers on that line that should be sitting! Rainnman- worst game he's ever played! Nelson, oh yeah, pissed about the 3 false starts, and he had the great pull block on the screen, but man that dude had some atrocious pass pro in this game.

AR got some passes off where his clock was sped up and he made a good reed and delivered a ball. A couple of them, completely off foundation because he couldn't follow through.

Finally, and I bitched about this in the game thread. Man if you don't want to watch the whole game, just pull up the final fucking play.

Steichen, if you want to be a disciplinarian and you want to hold dudes accountable. Smith, Nelson, and Rainnman---- all three of them should be handed 3 game suspensions! 3 Games, one for each of the fucking rushers you let get to the QB! Watch just how fucking bad all three of them are on that play, and in particular Nelson! Rainnman doesn't even come close to stopping the edge, just gets blown the fuck up, but the real problem, the one that makes it so there is no chance for AR to avoid the first lineman, is Nelson completely shitting the bed and letting his man go all the way across his face. He damn near falls down trying to reach for the block he is so late in recognition of what is happening. First ballot HOF franchise Guard my fucking ass!

The whole damn team did AR no fucking favors in this game, none! From Steichen calling 37 passes to the OL just being statues- hell watch the tap out play- holy shit it's embarrassing how bad the line performed, to the WR room not even pretending to know how to catch all fucking day... THIS WAS A TEAM BED SHITTING- in fact, outside of the audible and of course the tap out, AR was probably the high water mark for performance.

So, this better be a "look, we're going to sit you for a game, no matter what happens with Flacco this week you are getting the next start but we have to do this to save face for the tap out". If this is anything other than that, then Shane Steichen can fuck off as a coach!

And for what it is worth, if the OL is anything near this bad, Flacco won't make it through this game. THEY WERE THAT FUCKING BAD!

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

Okay, fuck it, couldn't resist, went back and watched the game to confirm the shit I posted yesterday in the game thread and with both Bowen and Orlovsky's comments in mind.

From what I saw, this was the best full game we've seen AR play. Brady, Montana, Manning, good, nope, not close. Graded on an AR slope, from my perspective- absolutely his best game throwing the ball.

You know who wasn't good, who was downright fucking bad, the fucking lame ass OL! If you want to see some dudes put on the bench- there's a series of big fucking loafers on that line that should be sitting! Rainnman- worst game he's ever played! Nelson, oh yeah, pissed about the 3 false starts, and he had the great pull block on the screen, but man that dude had some atrocious pass pro in this game.

AR got some passes off where his clock was sped up and he made a good reed and delivered a ball. A couple of them, completely off foundation because he couldn't follow through.

Finally, and I bitched about this in the game thread. Man if you don't want to watch the whole game, just pull up the final fucking play.

Steichen, if you want to be a disciplinarian and you want to hold dudes accountable. Smith, Nelson, and Rainnman---- all three of them should be handed 3 game suspensions! 3 Games, one for each of the fucking rushers you let get to the QB! Watch just how fucking bad all three of them are on that play, and in particular Nelson! Rainnman doesn't even come close to stopping the edge, just gets blown the fuck up, but the real problem, the one that makes it so there is no chance for AR to avoid the first lineman, is Nelson completely shitting the bed and letting his man go all the way across his face. He damn near falls down trying to reach for the block he is so late in recognition of what is happening. First ballot HOF franchise Guard my fucking ass!

The whole damn team did AR no fucking favors in this game, none! From Steichen calling 37 passes to the OL just being statues- hell watch the tap out play- holy shit it's embarrassing how bad the line performed, to the WR room not even pretending to know how to catch all fucking day... THIS WAS A TEAM BED SHITTING- in fact, outside of the audible and of course the tap out, AR was probably the high water mark for performance.

So, this better be a "look, we're going to sit you for a game, no matter what happens with Flacco this week you are getting the next start but we have to do this to save face for the tap out". If this is anything other than that, then Shane Steichen can fuck off as a coach!

And for what it is worth, if the OL is anything near this bad, Flacco won't make it through this game. THEY WERE THAT FUCKING BAD !!!

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When I was in 6th grade, I was taught that whenever you start a football team, you always start with the offensive line ...... not the running backs, not the quarterback, not the pass rushers, and not the special teams, but the offensive line.

That is because you have absolutely nothing with a bad offensive line, with perhaps a rare exception being if you have incredibly mobile QB's such as Fran Tarkenton, Michael Vick, or Randall Cunningham running around like maniacs to compensate/offset a terrible offensive line.

People are often in awe when they speak of Ken Stabler and Daryle Lamonica when they played for the Raiders ...... but Stabler and Lamonica (and later Jim Plunkett) had what was arguably the greatest offensive line in the history of professional football blocking for them between 1967 and 1982. I would see Stabler literally just stand there for 5 or 6 full seconds while deciding whether to throw it to Fred Biletnikoff over the middle, Cliff Branch deep downfield, or Clarence Davis or Mark van Eeghen out of the backfield.


So yes, in my rat's ass of an opinion you are absolutely right ...... if a mobile quarterback like Anthony Richardson's troubles in the Texans game were largely due to the horrible performance by the offensive line, then a 39 year-old immobile quarterback like Joe Flacco probably would not have lasted the game without getting killed, let alone done a reasonably good job of leading the team on offense against the Texans this past Sunday.

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[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

Why is everybody pointing to the tap out ??? The audible and interception at the end of the 1st 1/2 are IMO much more egregious.

In fact knowing now that Richardson audibles to that play in that situation, he should've been benched then and Flacco would've won us the game.

The tap out is bad, then he compounds that worse by saying he was just tired and needed a break just shows how bad this kid's decision making is. But I don't believe for a minute that the tap out is the reason for his benching. I believe that it a disciplinary and performance related benching.

Also, I'm tired of hearing all of these former players and analysts saying that in all of their years in football that they have never seen this in an NFL game.

Harbaugh did it in the 1st game of the '97 season in loss to the Dolphins. The difference is that Harbaugh pulled himself from the game and never went back in. This was a big deal then and I believe led to the fight Harbaugh had with Jim Kelly after Kelly questioned his toughness.

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I agree completely that Richardson's most egregious mistake, by far, was throwing that pass that resulted in an INT deep in Colts territory with seconds remaining in the first half ...... and that if anything, that ought to be the reason why he is being benched.

However, Steichen called for a pass play in the first place, with Goodson in the backfield. Richardson audibled out of Steichen's pass play, and into another pass play with Goodson going wide instead of lining up behind Richardson.


So it would be quite ironic if the head coach was benching the quarterback primarily for throwing the INT in that situation when the coach himself wanted to "stay aggressive" and throw a pass in the first place.

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[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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When I was in 6th grade, I was taught that whenever you start a football team, you always start with the offensive line ...... not the running backs, not the quarterback, not the pass rushers, and not the special teams, but the offensive line.

That is because you have absolutely nothing with a bad offensive line, with perhaps a rare exception being if you have incredibly mobile QB's such as Fran Tarkenton, Michael Vick, or Randall Cunningham running around like maniacs to compensate/offset a terrible offensive line.

People are often in awe when they speak of Ken Stabler and Daryle Lamonica when they played for the Raiders ...... but Stabler and Lamonica (and later Jim Plunkett) had what was arguably the greatest offensive line in the history of professional football blocking for them between 1967 and 1982. I would see Stabler literally just stand there for 5 or 6 full seconds while deciding whether to throw it to Fred Biletnikoff over the middle, Cliff Branch deep downfield, or Clarence Davis or Mark van Eeghen out of the backfield.


So yes, in my rat's ass of an opinion you are absolutely right ...... if a mobile quarterback like Anthony Richardson's troubles in the Texans game were largely due to the horrible performance by the offensive line, then a 39 year-old immobile quarterback like Joe Flacco probably would not have lasted the game without getting killed, let alone done a reasonably good job of leading the team on offense against the Texans this past Sunday.

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C&O- right on!

Man I am so enraged, I keep re-watching the hail mary attempt. EVERY DAMN COLTS FAN owes it to themselves to go watch this thing. It is pure comedy. I have seen criticism levied at AR "he's so bad he couldn't even get off a hail mary"...

They bring THREE. We have 5 lineman--- AND JT in to protect- we roll AWAY from the stacked front.

4.73 seconds, that's how long it took for them to get to AR- 4.73 seconds on a damn roll away from pressure- and we still get sacked. And I am telling you, that effort by Nelson, man to your point C&O, you get taught in pee-wee league, you fucking hit anything that crosses your face, that's a fundamental- he whiffs bigger than shit- it is embarrassingly bad.

Just gut wrenching to watch!

Steichen- do you even watch the fucking film to drive your decisions? Sit Nelson down for his lack of effort!

[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

C&O- right on!

Man I am so enraged, I keep re-watching the hail mary attempt. EVERY DAMN COLTS FAN owes it to themselves to go watch this thing. It is pure comedy. I have seen criticism levied at AR "he's so bad he couldn't even get off a hail mary"...

They bring THREE. We have 5 lineman--- AND JT in to protect- we roll AWAY from the stacked front.

4.73 seconds, that's how long it took for them to get to AR- 4.73 seconds on a damn roll away from pressure- and we still get sacked. And I am telling you, that effort by Nelson, man to your point C&O, you get taught in pee-wee league, you fucking hit anything that crosses your face, that's a fundamental- he whiffs bigger than shit- it is embarrassingly bad.

Just gut wrenching to watch!

Steichen- do you even watch the fucking film to drive your decisions? Sit Nelson down for his lack of effort!

This whole Hail Mary take is wrong. First off, it was an interesting call by Ryans. Probably a large factor in why AR left the pocket so soon, which was the crux of the issue. He took off in like 2 seconds.

Smith - Hunter starts at the 49 and Smith carries him all the way to the 36 when he just runs lateral because AR took off. I don't know where else Smith is supposed to take him.

Tucker - He basically had nothing to do. Anderson is lined up beyond the wide-9, like out in the slot. He's the only one who might engage him, but when AR rolls out, Anderson stops going up field and goes straight lateral.

Kelly - Takes Autry head-on, who then collides a bit with JT because...

Nelson - Assists Kelly and shoves Autry into JT. This comes after he drops and sees that Hewitt is not coming with the rush. Right when he helps, Anderson comes straight lateral across the line right when he sees AR leaving the pocket.

Raimann - I guess you can criticize him most on the OL? He's dropping like Nelson, sees that Hewitt isn't coming, and slides inside to help, then Anderson comes whizzing by laterally and he doesn't get a hand on him. Doesn't see him coming because he's blocking for a QB in the pocket.

Ultimately, Hunter and especially Anderson barely have to engage the OL because they just run completely around them and meet at AR who ran away from his blockers. He had a pocket to work with.

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

This whole Hail Mary take is wrong. First off, it was an interesting call by Ryans. Probably a large factor in why AR left the pocket so soon, which was the crux of the issue. He took off in like 2 seconds.

Smith - Hunter starts at the 49 and Smith carries him all the way to the 36 when he just runs lateral because AR took off. I don't know where else Smith is supposed to take him.

Tucker - He basically had nothing to do. Anderson is lined up beyond the wide-9, like out in the slot. He's the only one who might engage him, but when AR rolls out, Anderson stops going up field and goes straight lateral.

Kelly - Takes Autry head-on, who then collides a bit with JT because...

Nelson - Assists Kelly and shoves Autry into JT. This comes after he drops and sees that Hewitt is not coming with the rush. Right when he helps, Anderson comes straight lateral across the line right when he sees AR leaving the pocket.

Raimann - I guess you can criticize him most on the OL? He's dropping like Nelson, sees that Hewitt isn't coming, and slides inside to help, then Anderson comes whizzing by laterally and he doesn't get a hand on him. Doesn't see him coming because he's blocking for a QB in the pocket.

Ultimately, Hunter and especially Anderson barely have to engage the OL because they just run completely around them and meet at AR who ran away from his blockers. He had a pocket to work with.

So AR was supposed to go 7 step drop back into the pocket? At the snap- yeah seems like maybe that is the call- but he's supposed to stay there when Smith is absolutely getting fucking schooled by Hunter? Ok, great, stay in the pocket, it's then a 1.8 second play- as Hunter puts him on his fucking back! He vacates because Smith is getting smoked and he sees it happening so he goes left to try to get some time to set and launch.

Yeah, I agree, interesting and good scheme by the Texans to overload and basically force AR to go left which is going to require more time to plant and launch= smart- which would again to me, says that Shane Steichen isn't as good as the opposing coach.

No, sorry, Nelson got schooled too. He didn't need to help- there were fucking 6 dudes to cover up 3 rushers! FUCK! 6 vs 3 and no extra blitzers coming in a gap- fucking catch the dude crossing you- it isn't that deep. So we needed 3 to block Autry (not that JT does absolutely fucking anything- which is common for him in the passing game). If so, then hell yeah shame on Ballard for letting a dude that needs 3 blockers go (which I think we've all been pissed he let him go...).

Just a disgrace. None of these dudes should be excused for how shitty they played, none of them.

[Spike]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

Okay, fuck it, couldn't resist, went back and watched the game to confirm the shit I posted yesterday in the game thread and with both Bowen and Orlovsky's comments in mind.

From what I saw, this was the best full game we've seen AR play. Brady, Montana, Manning, good, nope, not close. Graded on an AR slope, from my perspective- absolutely his best game throwing the ball.

You know who wasn't good, who was downright fucking bad, the fucking lame ass OL! If you want to see some dudes put on the bench- there's a series of big fucking loafers on that line that should be sitting! Rainnman- worst game he's ever played! Nelson, oh yeah, pissed about the 3 false starts, and he had the great pull block on the screen, but man that dude had some atrocious pass pro in this game.

AR got some passes off where his clock was sped up and he made a good reed and delivered a ball. A couple of them, completely off foundation because he couldn't follow through.

Finally, and I bitched about this in the game thread. Man if you don't want to watch the whole game, just pull up the final fucking play.

Steichen, if you want to be a disciplinarian and you want to hold dudes accountable. Smith, Nelson, and Rainnman---- all three of them should be handed 3 game suspensions! 3 Games, one for each of the fucking rushers you let get to the QB! Watch just how fucking bad all three of them are on that play, and in particular Nelson! Rainnman doesn't even come close to stopping the edge, just gets blown the fuck up, but the real problem, the one that makes it so there is no chance for AR to avoid the first lineman, is Nelson completely shitting the bed and letting his man go all the way across his face. He damn near falls down trying to reach for the block he is so late in recognition of what is happening. First ballot HOF franchise Guard my fucking ass!

The whole damn team did AR no fucking favors in this game, none! From Steichen calling 37 passes to the OL just being statues- hell watch the tap out play- holy shit it's embarrassing how bad the line performed, to the WR room not even pretending to know how to catch all fucking day... THIS WAS A TEAM BED SHITTING- in fact, outside of the audible and of course the tap out, AR was probably the high water mark for performance.

So, this better be a "look, we're going to sit you for a game, no matter what happens with Flacco this week you are getting the next start but we have to do this to save face for the tap out". If this is anything other than that, then Shane Steichen can fuck off as a coach!

And for what it is worth, if the OL is anything near this bad, Flacco won't make it through this game. THEY WERE THAT FUCKING BAD!

I totally agree, I was bitching about the oline being garbage the entire game. They are a bunch of overpaid pussies. Ballard does need to go since his philosophy is to build from within and this is the shit show he put together with the offensive line.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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I agree completely that Richardson's most egregious mistake, by far, was throwing that pass that resulted in an INT deep in Colts territory with seconds remaining in the first half ...... and that if anything, that ought to be the reason why he is being benched.

However, Steichen called for a pass play in the first place, with Goodson in the backfield. Richardson audibled out of Steichen's pass play, and into another pass play with Goodson going wide instead of lining up behind Richardson.


So it would be quite ironic if the head coach was benching the quarterback primarily for throwing the INT in that situation when the coach himself wanted to "stay aggressive" and throw a pass in the first place.

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Stiechen may have indeed called a pass play. If he did, then I would bet my ass it was a screen pass. I'm curious as to how you know that Steichen called a pass play though?