Wentz Getting Cut? Maybe

[Dewey 5]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

WWBB do?

Sign Cam Newton & have Mac Jones fall in his lap.

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

We have the capital if we want to use it. You just throw future firsts and other picks to compensate.

This year's first is worth a whole lot more than future picks.

[Oldcolt]

This has got to be one of he worst years ever to be looking for a QB. Nine teams, or so, need a QB. There are no good free agents to speak of and the draft doesn't have any elite QBs. We don't have a number one. Ballard and co. will do everything they can to improve the position, I just have a hard time seeing how. I'm betting we end up rolling with Wentz for one more year. Of all the QBs available to sign (I do not see us giving up draft capital for a lateral move) Trubisky would be my choice.

We were a bottom 10 team in pass blocking, one of the worst TE rooms in NFL and our number one receiver would be a number two or three on most playoff teams. Our number two and three receivers wouldn't even be in most playoff team rotations. And yet the issue was Wentz and only Wentz. Put some decent weapons around him, get a pass rush and see what we can do next year with a full off season.

[HoosierinFL]

It really seems like there's a lack of QB talent in the league right now. There's a few teams that have legit franchise worthy QBs and a bunch of guys who I have no confidence in, and a few question marks.
I mean just for fun, looking at the league:
Patriots: Jones is a ?? for me right now. He might turn out OK and be their guy but their success was really predicated on their defense. And now without McDaniels, how good will Jones be? (by the way, McDaniels leaving for the Raiders proves that when BB/Kraft talked him out of the Colts job, it wasn't because they promised him something special within their org, it was just a screw job against the Colts)
Bills: Allen is legit
Dolphins: I have no confidence in Tua and we all know Jacoby isn't it
Jets: Wilson might still be a ?? but personally I don't think he'll be any good

Bengals: Burrow is the man for sure
Ravens: Jackson is legit but possibly not good enough to get them all the way, they really melted down late in the season. Tyler Huntley is probably not going to amount to anything.
Steelers: Big Ben is gone, no one on their depth chart is gonna be the guy
Browns: I suppose Mayfield is the guy, but closer to ??

Colts: Wentz is clearly in the ?? domain
Titans: Tannehil is probably in the ??domain too, so far not enough to warrant the label franchise QB
Jags: clearly have promise but only time will tell with mr shampoo commercial
Texans: they have no one (Watson doesn't count, his career is over)

Chargers: clearly Herbert is the guy
Chiefs: no doubt about Mahomes
Raiders: Carr is probably past his window, but maybe McDaniels does something good with him. So I'll call it a ?? here. It's a no to Mariota
Broncos: Lock, Bridgewater, they all suck

Thats 16 teams in the AFC and only 5 QBs that would one even consider legitimate players that can lead a team to a superbowl (Mahomes, Herbert, Allen, Burrow, Lawrence), and 6 maybes (??, Wentz, Tannehil, Jones, Carr, Mayfield, Jackson) and out of them only 1 or 2, at most 3, are probably legit (Jackson, Mayfield, Jones, in that order).

That leaves at most only half of the AFC with a real QB, the rest are needing to upgrade. Of the 8 that I named, they are all locked up.

Seems like the numbers are even worse in the NFC.
The real QBs would be:
Rodgers (but also he's 38, he is not a long term solution for anyone except the packers)
Prescott (but I have my doubts about him sometimes)
Stafford
R. Wilson (though he just had a bad year too)

And that's literally it, 4 franchise QBs, assuming Brady really retires.

Murray is a headcase. Jimmy G is always injured. Cousins, Trubisky, Goff, Winston, Hurts, Minshew, they are all JAGs. Cam Newton sucks.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

This year's first is worth a whole lot more than future picks.

They’re still firsts. You just throw in a bit more. Rams did it.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

This has got to be one of he worst years ever to be looking for a QB. Nine teams, or so, need a QB. There are no good free agents to speak of and the draft doesn't have any elite QBs. We don't have a number one. Ballard and co. will do everything they can to improve the position, I just have a hard time seeing how. I'm betting we end up rolling with Wentz for one more year. Of all the QBs available to sign (I do not see us giving up draft capital for a lateral move) Trubisky would be my choice.

We were a bottom 10 team in pass blocking, one of the worst TE rooms in NFL and our number one receiver would be a number two or three on most playoff teams. Our number two and three receivers wouldn't even be in most playoff team rotations. And yet the issue was Wentz and only Wentz. Put some decent weapons around him, get a pass rush and see what we can do next year with a full off season.

MPJ was the best receiver in the NFL against the press. He was one of the best in the NFL on third down, and was leading the NFL for part of the season. All this in his second year. People need to stop with the narrative that he isn’t a number one. It’s bullshit and they don’t know what they are talking about.

TEs were functional, no mismatch athletes. But they got open and can catch.

He also had the best running back in the nfl. Faced stacked boxes the majority of the time with single coverage. He had the 6th easiest passing schedule of all QBs.

We had one of the lowest drop rates in the NFL. Do we need some better WRs, sure. A mid match TE would be great. But it won’t make Wentz more accurate. Won’t make him a better decision maker. If your pass protection is bad, you speed up your throw. He was at the bottom of the league in time to throw. It’s a problem when the guy is overthrowing Mo Allie Cox by five feet consistently. Fix Wentz and a lot will get better. If your QB sucks, your WRs will look like crap. Unless Randy Miss is walking through the door, a WR won’t make him better.

Hell we just saw a noodle armed Rivers take them to the playoffs.

[rcubed]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

This has got to be one of he worst years ever to be looking for a QB. Nine teams, or so, need a QB. There are no good free agents to speak of and the draft doesn't have any elite QBs. We don't have a number one. Ballard and co. will do everything they can to improve the position, I just have a hard time seeing how. I'm betting we end up rolling with Wentz for one more year. Of all the QBs available to sign (I do not see us giving up draft capital for a lateral move) Trubisky would be my choice.

We were a bottom 10 team in pass blocking, one of the worst TE rooms in NFL and our number one receiver would be a number two or three on most playoff teams. Our number two and three receivers wouldn't even be in most playoff team rotations. And yet the issue was Wentz and only Wentz. Put some decent weapons around him, get a pass rush and see what we can do next year with a full off season.

Agree. I think we will end up with another year of wentz as he is currently on the roster and lack of real options. Ballard is not trading a ton a picks for any top end QB (non of which I think will be available anyway). Ballard is not trading picks for a short term/slight upgrade at QB. It will be another frustrating year with wentz (his last) or roll with sam or some random one year QB with looks toward next years draft or possible FA.

or maybe wentz surprises us all and has a really good year...but thats probably not happening.

[Oldcolt]

It was not meant as a put down on MJP. I agree he is a number one. But he still isn't the number one on most of these playoff teams. And the cupboard is practically bare after that.

I agree about the tight ends being functional, that isn't good enough in this NFL. Especially if you are not explosive outside.

This was not meant to be somehow supportive of Wentz long term (or even short term). We need a long term solution and it probably isn't on the roster right now. We know how shit Wentz is, we didn't live through these other QB's shittiness. The whole situation just makes me sick. There is no option I can see that has any real promise.

[Lov2fish]

I personally think if Wentz gets cut, or traded (Salvage what you can) they are going to give Sam a shot. They won't have to work a QB into the system, he knows it. I know I am probably 100% wrong, but trading Wentz for another Wentz is not solving anything, but if someone is willing to give a 2nd. this year for him, do it. We are no way getting a one out of him, we drew the short straw for that one.

[njcoltfan]

Originally Posted by Lov2fish

I personally think if Wentz gets cut, or traded (Salvage what you can) they are going to give Sam a shot. They won't have to work a QB into the system, he knows it. I know I am probably 100% wrong, but trading Wentz for another Wentz is not solving anything, but if someone is willing to give a 2nd. this year for him, do it. We are no way getting a one out of him, we drew the short straw for that one.

Whats the problem with going with Ellinger next year, at worst he sucks, improving your draft position looking towards drafting his replacement, at best he surprises, has a fantastic year and proves that he just might be the guy!! Anyway you try, Wentz, Ellinger or FA, its probably going to be ANOTHER lost season!!