Quick thoughts - Texans

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Puck

Maybe I'm a lone wolf here t I think with the proper coaches and an OC with a good philosophy that Brissett would be a pretty good QB.

He has all the tools he just needs to learn the system.... well not this one because it's retarded but when we get a new coaching staff I could see him being able to be a winning QB

I think he could be ok. He is big, strong, has a good arm, and is accurate enough for sure.

All depends on if he can process the field fast enough.

[OneVoice]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

I think he could be ok. He is big, strong, has a good arm, and is accurate enough for sure.

All depends on if he can process the field fast enough.

He just needs more experience ...he's the best damn backup the Colts have ever had. Poached from the Pats 3rd string for a failed 1st round pick ...geeezus, how did it take 2 decades to find a decent QB2?

I guess Stanton was decent. But: Rypien, Sorgi, Painter, Collins ...who else?

[FatDT]

Originally Posted by OneVoice

He just needs more experience ...he's the best damn backup the Colts have ever had. Poached from the Pats 3rd string for a failed 1st round pick ...geeezus, how did it take 2 decades to find a decent QB2?

I guess Stanton was decent. But: Rypien, Sorgi, Painter, Collins ...who else?

Matt Hasslebeck and Josh Freeman are the two best QB2s in recent Colts history. Until Brisket anyway.

[GoBigBlue88]

Originally Posted by Puck

Maybe I'm a lone wolf here t I think with the proper coaches and an OC with a good philosophy that Brissett would be a pretty good QB.

He has all the tools he just needs to learn the system.... well not this one because it's retarded but when we get a new coaching staff I could see him being able to be a winning QB

I just don't think there's evidence he sees the field well enough.

I look at Brissett as having a QB1 arm, insane toughness, good poise, decent pocket presence (needs to climb more but that's improved as the season has gone on) and a lot of really good intangible traits.

But I think he has QB2 level vision and understanding. He stays with his primary and doesn't come off that enough. Some of that is newness to scheme and some of it is youth, and hell, Luck has games where he's entirely guilty of that too.

With Brissett, though, it seems more ingrained in his game; in other words, I'd need him to prove to me that he can see the field at a QB1 level.

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by Puck

Maybe I'm a lone wolf here t I think with the proper coaches and an OC with a good philosophy that Brissett would be a pretty good QB.

He has all the tools he just needs to learn the system.... well not this one because it's retarded but when we get a new coaching staff I could see him being able to be a winning QB

I'm in that camp - actually a bit more aggressive on it as I put up the post saying F-it roll with this dude.

Hate to say it, hate it, but man if we don't have Luck anymore (and I do not in ANY FUCKING WAY have faith that come early spring if this medical staff is still here that this fucking incompetent staff of nitwits will have properly solved that equation) I think we could roll with this dude instead of trying to land one of the top QB's in the draft (ironically Jacoby may end up being the reason we can't get one of them!). I see things here that say you have a QB that could lead you vs one of these guys that just fills a void. Couple him with a good QB guy and I think we have something really promising. I agree with GBB that he is not going through progressions as fast as needed but part of that is also a line that is often terrifying (the sack fumble was a good D call against the right O set- he had no time to look to check) and a scheme that as far as I can tell, has never really even contemplated the need for progressions. At times it literally seems like the play design is this simple- "30 yard drag / post to TY- this is gonna take a long time to develop so if he's not open you are pretty much fucked, just fucking do something like run around or something...".

Fucking draft a DE or LB with the first pick- period end of discussion. From there, get either the DE or LB next, and after that nothing but OL!

[HoosierinFL]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

2) we consistently play 9 or 10 on 11 with our defense. and offense as well but lets look at the d. we fake blitz with 1 or 2 of our ilbers and after they fake, they just sit there. 2 yards behind the line of scrimmage doing absolutely nothing. spying savage maybe? yeah right

Presumably they should be dropping into coverage. I have no idea if it's just supposed to be a shallow zone or whether they are supposed to pick up a TE or RB, but they clearly can't do it. I'm reminded of the Vic Fangio era defense. Like that time, we need better coaches and better LBs.

[DrSpaceman]

Originally Posted by Spike

He was throwing the ball within 2 seconds and got demolished. He has made some bad decisions, but that fumble, he never had a chance.

He could have just swallowed it and taken the sack.

No he did not have a chance to throw it, but that is what he needs to recognize to prevent the D from getting an easy TD

I think some of you are overrating Brissett. He had done the best he could and yes maybe he would be decent as a starter with better coaches, but I think Hasselback and Sorgi were decent back ups as well.

He is giving the other teams points week after week.

[GoBigBlue88]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

I'm in that camp - actually a bit more aggressive on it as I put up the post saying F-it roll with this dude.

Hate to say it, hate it, but man if we don't have Luck anymore (and I do not in ANY FUCKING WAY have faith that come early spring if this medical staff is still here that this fucking incompetent staff of nitwits will have properly solved that equation) I think we could roll with this dude instead of trying to land one of the top QB's in the draft (ironically Jacoby may end up being the reason we can't get one of them!). I see things here that say you have a QB that could lead you vs one of these guys that just fills a void. Couple him with a good QB guy and I think we have something really promising. I agree with GBB that he is not going through progressions as fast as needed but part of that is also a line that is often terrifying (the sack fumble was a good D call against the right O set- he had no time to look to check) and a scheme that as far as I can tell, has never really even contemplated the need for progressions. At times it literally seems like the play design is this simple- "30 yard drag / post to TY- this is gonna take a long time to develop so if he's not open you are pretty much fucked, just fucking do something like run around or something...".

Fucking draft a DE or LB with the first pick- period end of discussion. From there, get either the DE or LB next, and after that nothing but OL!

I mean, you'd kinda have to roll with Brissett. Colts probably end up picking 10-15 this year when the dust is settled. I just doubt they'd find a better skillset to work with than what Brissett presents in that range, given the anticipated run on QBs you see in top 10 (especially this year).

They'd probably be looking at a Josh Allen type in that range, which brings the exact same question marks as Brissett anyway.

FWIW, I can't emphasize enough that I like Brissett's skillset a lot. It's the between-the-ears stuff that I have questions about. And I have no confidence this current coaching staff has answers for those questions.

[Puck]

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88

I mean, you'd kinda have to roll with Brissett. Colts probably end up picking 10-15 this year when the dust is settled. I just doubt they'd find a better skillset to work with than what Brissett presents in that range, given the anticipated run on QBs you see in top 10 (especially this year).

They'd probably be looking at a Josh Allen type in that range, which brings the exact same question marks as Brissett anyway.

FWIW, I can't emphasize enough that I like Brissett's skillset a lot. It's the between-the-ears stuff that I have questions about. And I have no confidence this current coaching staff has answers for those questions.

I remember when Big Ben was a rookie. They purposely cut the field in have and limited his reads so he didn't have to think as hard going through all the progressions. I am wondering if that is chuds gameplay also to let him learn but at an easier pace

Just a thought. Not saying that is whats happening

[Spike]

Originally Posted by DrSpaceman

He could have just swallowed it and taken the sack.

No he did not have a chance to throw it, but that is what he needs to recognize to prevent the D from getting an easy TD

I think some of you are overrating Brissett. He had done the best he could and yes maybe he would be decent as a starter with better coaches, but I think Hasselback and Sorgi were decent back ups as well.

He is giving the other teams points week after week.

He didn't have time to breath, let alone just swallow that ball. Like I said, he has made mistakes, that fumble was not one of them. We will just have to agree to disagree.