2021 NFL Draft thread - Day 1 discussion

[Puck]

Originally Posted by Luck4Reich

A lot of people would have put money on other Linebackers being better than Leonard when Ballard drafted him.

Yep. And look at this. A lot of people said he was better than Leonard

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/...334298119?s=20

Ian Rapoport
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At this point, I’d expect the #Cowboys to decline the fifth-year option for Leighton Vander-Esch, likely putting him in a contract year.

[Puck]

Back to Dam's favorite Ojulari.

Maybe Ballard knows more than us. I can admit it. Some can't though

https://www.si.com/college/georgia/n...ound-nfl-draft

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Puck

Dam. you do this every yr. Last yr you HATED the JT pick. You were wrong and I suspect you'll be wrong again this yr. But seriously every year you hate the picks.

Ballard really does know what he's doing. JSYK

Taylor fumbled away a key game just as I predicted he would. That said, the team had Rathman to fix his fumbling issues. Hopefully Paye comes in, works with Mathis, and becomes a force on the DL. I'm not discounting the possibility that it could happen, he's loaded with traits, that's his only positive. But this is why even the first round of the NFL draft has a 50% bust rate.

Originally Posted by ukcolt

I watch a lot of Chris Simms' unbuttoned podcasts, and he has been going through his player rankings the past month or so. He is really high on Kwity Paye and has him as his No. 2 edge guy and thought that he was a top 15 guy. He says he is not the guy who is likely to be the speed rusher causing huge problems on the outside for the offensive tackle. But he is the strongest upper body guy, and someone who disrupts almost every play. Sack production is not everything, sacks are hugely over rated in my opinion, if you have forced the QB to make a decision quicker than he originally wanted to, that is a win, as more often than not it will cause an incompletion, or at least a completion for less yards than it could have been. He will also be a guy who will hold up against the run and help tremendously against the likes of Derrick Henry and Najee Harris. I like Paye and think he will fit this defense perfectly. He replaces Autry's role in the defense last year.

He has no rush plan and displays no rush moves. Never shows a push-pull, a cross chop, a dip and rip, a swim, a spin, nothing, he just runs into the OT and tries to push him back into the QB like Zach Allen did. And forget countermoves, he doesn't even have moves in the first place. And I know sack production isn't everything, but his 5 pressures didn't impress me much more than his 2 sacks, and you can fuck off with any PFF garbage stat that says he was better than that. I don't trust their subjective bullshit as far as I could throw Quenton Nelson.

Originally Posted by JAFF

When the NFL starts having a cone drill during the game, And then they start to have a track meet, some of those numbers might mean something

Why did you type this out as a response to me when you're agreeing with my point? I must really live in your head rent free.

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

I love all the definitive statements about Paye and this draft so far. Is he polished, no-the Colts are never (hopefully) be in a position to draft a polished pass rusher, they go top 5. Dam hates his tape. Ballard loves it. One is wrong and it isn't Ballard. It is a numbers game. Sooner or later Ballard will hit on one of these athletic freaks. He played 4 games last year and got 2 sacks. He pressured the hell out of qb's and plays thru the entire play just like Nelson. His work effort and character are so good I saw a prediction he will eventually win the Walter Payton award. Love the pick this morning.

You sure Ballard loves his tape? I understand loving the traits, but not so much the tape. Also, please show me where and when he "pressured the hell out of QBs" without using PFF garbage numbers. 2 sacks and 5 pressures is not "pressured the hell out of QBs".

[Puck]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Taylor fumbled away a key game just as I predicted he would. That said, the team had Rathman to fix his fumbling issues. Hopefully Paye comes in, works with Mathis, and becomes a force on the DL. I'm not discounting the possibility that it could happen, he's loaded with traits, that's his only positive. But this is why even the first round of the NFL draft has a 50% bust rate.



He has no rush plan and displays no rush moves. Never shows a push-pull, a cross chop, a dip and rip, a swim, a spin, nothing, he just runs into the OT and tries to push him back into the QB like Zach Allen did. And forget countermoves, he doesn't even have moves in the first place. And I know sack production isn't everything, but his 5 pressures didn't impress me much more than his 2 sacks, and you can fuck off with any PFF garbage stat that says he was better than that. I don't trust their subjective bullshit as far as I could throw Quenton Nelson.



Why did you type this out as a response to me when you're agreeing with my point? I must really live in your head rent free.



You sure Ballard loves his tape? I understand loving the traits, but not so much the tape. Also, please show me where and when he "pressured the hell out of QBs" without using PFF garbage numbers. 2 sacks and 5 pressures is not "pressured the hell out of QBs".

Seriously? Manning threw a pick six in the SB. Was he a bad pick?

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Puck

Back to Dam's favorite Ojulari.

Maybe Ballard knows more than us. I can admit it. Some can't though

https://www.si.com/college/georgia/n...ound-nfl-draft

Oh, the medicals I have no access to and therefore couldn't possibly know? Yeah, those make a difference.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Puck

Seriously? Manning threw a pick six in the SB. Was he a bad pick?

Of course Manning was a great pick, but I could write a thesis on the countless ways the NFL fucked he and the Colts over in his tenure here, starting with how Tom Brady and Bill Belicheat should've been stripped from the record books and banned for life from the NFL upon the discovery of SpyGate.

[Oldcolt]

Obviously you didn't listen to Ballards news conference. I counted three time him saying he loves his tape. Maybe he looks for different stuff than you do. I just want to say how happy I am you are not running this team. I do love your passion and how pissed you seem to get. You obviously care a lot. Enjoy the back and forth. Hope you are wrong, big time (I assume you hope the same thing). One thing you are not as concerned with as Ballard is is the dudes character, Ballard is sky high on his motor and character-two things that are integral to his way of thinking. Makes for a better team and experience rooting for them-no obvious douche bags.

[nate505]

Paye has both elite athletic talent and is an extremely hard worker with a relentless motor. Guys like that, baring injury history, tend to succeed.

[Puck]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Taylor fumbled away a key game just as I predicted he would. That said, the team had Rathman to fix his fumbling issues. Hopefully Paye comes in, works with Mathis, and becomes a force on the DL. I'm not discounting the possibility that it could happen, he's loaded with traits, that's his only positive. But this is why even the first round of the NFL draft has a 50% bust rate.



He has no rush plan and displays no rush moves. Never shows a push-pull, a cross chop, a dip and rip, a swim, a spin, nothing, he just runs into the OT and tries to push him back into the QB like Zach Allen did. And forget countermoves, he doesn't even have moves in the first place. And I know sack production isn't everything, but his 5 pressures didn't impress me much more than his 2 sacks, and you can fuck off with any PFF garbage stat that says he was better than that. I don't trust their subjective bullshit as far as I could throw Quenton Nelson.



Why did you type this out as a response to me when you're agreeing with my point? I must really live in your head rent free.



You sure Ballard loves his tape? I understand loving the traits, but not so much the tape. Also, please show me where and when he "pressured the hell out of QBs" without using PFF garbage numbers. 2 sacks and 5 pressures is not "pressured the hell out of QBs".

Here ya go

https://twitter.com/Colts/status/138...380122130?s=20

Oweh didn't record any sacks last yr. But you say he's better

Oweh flashed his talent as a redshirt freshman in 2019, accumulating five sacks and two forced fumbles in 13 games (one start) for the Nittany Lions. He did not record a sack in seven starts as a redshirt sophomore, but Big Ten coaches still voted him first-team all-conference after he recorded 38 tackles (6.5 for loss). -- by Chad Reuter

Paye.

Paye was named a team captain for the 2020 season and earned honorable mention all-conference honors after starting four games (16 tackles, four for loss, with two sacks).

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Originally Posted by Puck

Seriously? Manning threw a pick six in the SB. Was he a bad pick?

you missed the key point where dam is consistently reminding us of how he predicted it.