With the third pick....

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by sherck

I voted trade back.

Stockpile more 1st and 2nd round picks over the next 2 drafts (prefer them in this year's draft) and then pick the best available OT with whatever pick we end up sticking with.

Pick OLB[RUSH] in the 2nd round along with other picks if we have them from trade (ILB, OG are top of my list after OLB).

We have a lot of holes to fill. Getting one stud is nice if he works out. Getting a shot at 3 or 4 studs is even better even if their ceiling is lower than the kid picked at #3.

Walk Worthy,

That would be nice, but I don't think the offers will be there. They blew their chance by missing out on the 2nd pick.

If the 1st two picks are Rosen/Darnold, would you really offer that kind of package to move up to #3 as an opposing GM?

[njcoltfan]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

That would be nice, but I don't think the offers will be there. They blew their chance by missing out on the 2nd pick.

If the 1st two picks are Rosen/Darnold, would you really offer that kind of package to move up to #3 as an opposing GM?

Mark my words, Cleveland is going to take Barkley with the first pick, the Giants will take Rosen/Mayfield/Darnold, Colts will take ???, and the Browns will take Rosen/Mayfield/Darnold. Darnold and Rosen have yet to declare for the draft, so this prediction is based on if they do.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by njcoltfan

Mark my words, Cleveland is going to take Barkley with the first pick, the Giants will take Rosen/Mayfield/Darnold, Colts will take ???, and the Browns will take Rosen/Mayfield/Darnold. Darnold and Rosen have yet to declare for the draft, so this prediction is based on if they do.

Browns will take their choice of QB at 1 and then get Barkley at 4. Your way doesn’t make sense for them.

[njcoltfan]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

Browns will take their choice of QB at 1 and then get Barkley at 4. Your way doesn’t make sense for them.

Unless they think the Colts are gonna take him.

[albany ed]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

That would be nice, but I don't think the offers will be there. They blew their chance by missing out on the 2nd pick.

If the 1st two picks are Rosen/Darnold, would you really offer that kind of package to move up to #3 as an opposing GM?

I agree. This year there's a big difference between 1 and 2, if as expected, Darnold and Rosen go 1 and 2. Even if the Browns and Giants don't want to draft a QB, they'd be crazy not to trade down. I hated seeing the Giants win which made me torn between rooting for my team and rooting against my team.

[sherck]

QB Needy Teams in the Top 15 Picks of 2018:

#1 CLE
#2 NYG
#5 DEN
#6 NYJ
#11 MIA ?
#12 CIN
#13 WAS ?
#15 ARI

The thought that the #3 pick has little trade value but that the #2 pick had a lot is, I think, false.

Even if QBs go #1 and #2, there is little clear consensus that there are only 2 QBs who are worthy of being a top 5 pick. Sure, DEN or NYJ could just sit tight and hope that their guy falls to them but they also might want to come up and ensure that they get their guy.

Best non-QB pick in the draft? #3. You sure someone else is not going to want to come up for the right to pick Barkley? Or Chubb? Or Fitzpatrick? Or Nelson? Or Williams? Or whomever they are in love with? Heck, if CLE is indeed enamored with Barkley, they might trade up 1 spot to make sure that no one else gets him. Then that #4 pick is more in range for DEN and NYJ for QB.

We don't know how it is going to work out until April, but I think there will be a ton of trade offers for the #3 pick conditioned on how the first 2 picks go. Those all get worked out ahead of time and then triggered on draft day.

If Ballard picks a guy at #3, then he is convinced that the kid is a stud. Cool.

However, if Ballard wants to trade down, I have little doubt that he will find trade partners.

Walk Worthy,

[Indiana V2]

Another question, Cleveland drafted Kizer last draft, will they draft another one this season? I voted for trading the pick.

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by sherck

QB Needy Teams in the Top 15 Picks of 2018:

#1 CLE
#2 NYG
#5 DEN
#6 NYJ
#11 MIA ?
#12 CIN
#13 WAS ?
#15 ARI

The thought that the #3 pick has little trade value but that the #2 pick had a lot is, I think, false.

Even if QBs go #1 and #2, there is little clear consensus that there are only 2 QBs who are worthy of being a top 5 pick. Sure, DEN or NYJ could just sit tight and hope that their guy falls to them but they also might want to come up and ensure that they get their guy.

Best non-QB pick in the draft? #3. You sure someone else is not going to want to come up for the right to pick Barkley? Or Chubb? Or Fitzpatrick? Or Nelson? Or Williams? Or whomever they are in love with? Heck, if CLE is indeed enamored with Barkley, they might trade up 1 spot to make sure that no one else gets him. Then that #4 pick is more in range for DEN and NYJ for QB.

We don't know how it is going to work out until April, but I think there will be a ton of trade offers for the #3 pick conditioned on how the first 2 picks go. Those all get worked out ahead of time and then triggered on draft day.

If Ballard picks a guy at #3, then he is convinced that the kid is a stud. Cool.

However, if Ballard wants to trade down, I have little doubt that he will find trade partners.

Walk Worthy,

With Marvin Lewis back, Cincy isn’t drafting a qb in the first, IMO.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by sherck

QB Needy Teams in the Top 15 Picks of 2018:

#1 CLE
#2 NYG
#5 DEN
#6 NYJ
#11 MIA ?
#12 CIN
#13 WAS ?
#15 ARI

The thought that the #3 pick has little trade value but that the #2 pick had a lot is, I think, false.

Also, two of those teams (NYJ and CIN) passed on QBs at their spots last year. Why would they suddenly pay a king's ransom to move up to get the 3rd best QB in this draft?

Even if QBs go #1 and #2, there is little clear consensus that there are only 2 QBs who are worthy of being a top 5 pick. Sure, DEN or NYJ could just sit tight and hope that their guy falls to them but they also might want to come up and ensure that they get their guy.

Best non-QB pick in the draft? #3. You sure someone else is not going to want to come up for the right to pick Barkley? Or Chubb? Or Fitzpatrick? Or Nelson? Or Williams? Or whomever they are in love with? Heck, if CLE is indeed enamored with Barkley, they might trade up 1 spot to make sure that no one else gets him. Then that #4 pick is more in range for DEN and NYJ for QB.

We don't know how it is going to work out until April, but I think there will be a ton of trade offers for the #3 pick conditioned on how the first 2 picks go. Those all get worked out ahead of time and then triggered on draft day.

If Ballard picks a guy at #3, then he is convinced that the kid is a stud. Cool.

However, if Ballard wants to trade down, I have little doubt that he will find trade partners.

Walk Worthy,

We'll see how the pre-draft buzz-machine works, but the QBs after Rosen/Darnold have mid- to late-1st grades from the scouting accounts I've read. If that's really how teams feel, why would they trade 2 1sts and a 2nd to move up to #3 to get one?

Not to mention that two of those teams (NYJ and CIN) passed on QBs last year. Now they're suddenly going to pay a ransom to get the 3rd best QB in this draft?

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

That would be nice, but I don't think the offers will be there. They blew their chance by missing out on the 2nd pick.

If the 1st two picks are Rosen/Darnold, would you really offer that kind of package to move up to #3 as an opposing GM?

Yup, thanks Chuck. Couldn't even lose right.