so Donald Trump

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by natagu23

Really?

You'd spit in Carter's face? C'mon man.

Disagree politically....thats your right, but to spit in the face of a former navy lieutenant because he has a (D) behind his name is pretty low. You can ask many conservatives that were alive when he was the governor of Georgia and President that would testify on behalf of his high moral character.

I hate George W. Bush because he misled this nation into war under false pretenses and created the instability that led to ISIS, but I wouldnt spit in the guy's face.

Yeah, Carter was a good man, even if he was inept as POTUS. His Habitat for Humanity legacy will live on forever.

[Puck]

[Brylok]

Trump is a reprehensible human being, in league with Moscow. Today's Republican party is the greatest threat the United States has ever faced. I honestly doubt that our republic will survive.

[GoBigBlue88]

Originally Posted by Brylok

Trump is a reprehensible human being, in league with Moscow. Today's Republican party is the greatest threat the United States has ever faced. I honestly doubt that our republic will survive.

Naw, too many checks on the executive branch and too much Constitutional grounding for that to realistically happen. There would have to be the sort of big bang event no one could ignore to catalyze anything like that, IMO.

That said, it's crazy seeing what the GOP has co-opted to win in my life time. Hope they're enjoying that W...

[Brylok]

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88

Naw, too many checks on the executive branch and too much Constitutional grounding for that to realistically happen. There would have to be the sort of big bang event no one could ignore to catalyze anything like that, IMO.

That said, it's crazy seeing what the GOP has co-opted to win in my life time. Hope they're enjoying that W...

I hope you're right. Buckle up nevertheless. It's going to get very ugly/violent. Summer is coming.

[rcubed]

John oliver show was hilarious and scary tonight.

[edgeman]

It's funny. I remember 8 years ago sitting back and thinking what a bunch of crazy dimwits that the far right wingers were.

And now today I'm sitting here and saying the exact same thing about most of the lefties, except these folks are far worse.

The right wingers needed tin foil hats, these lefties need a padded jail cell.


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[GoBigBlue88]

Originally Posted by edgeman

It's funny. I remember 8 years ago sitting back and thinking what a bunch of crazy dimwits that the far right wingers were.

And now today I'm sitting here and saying the exact same thing about most of the lefties, except these folks are far worse.

The right wingers needed tin foil hats, these lefties need a padded jail cell.


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Are we talking the same right that has co-opted Alex Jones, Breitbart etc. as the informational sources this WH runs on?

Look, while I agree furthering political and partisan divide makes the problem worse and does nothing to address the larger problems (we should be listening to each side and understanding WHY they're concerned/catalyzed), this is a particularly bad time to suggest that the dynamic has flipped.

[edgeman]

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88

Are we talking the same right that has co-opted Alex Jones, Breitbart etc. as the informational sources this WH runs on?



Look, while I agree furthering political and partisan divide makes the problem worse and does nothing to address the larger problems (we should be listening to each side and understanding WHY they're concerned/catalyzed), this is a particularly bad time to suggest that the dynamic has flipped.

I agree that we need to listen and make every attempt to understand why they're concerned. I however find that a difficult proposition when they themselves aren't reciprocal.

Calling anyone with an opposing view a racist, misogynist, xenophobe, etc. tends to degrade conversations.

Rioting is a non-starter.

Proper dialogue is difficult in of itself when individuals disagree on the small things... these topics are life altering to some...



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[sherck]

As most of you know, for the first time in my adult life (7 Presidential election cycles), I did not vote for a Presidential candidate this time. I felt that neither person running for R or D were worthy of the office. Both were failures in both character and policy vision.

I would offer a couple of things for folks to think about.

#1 Support of the U.S. Military would be required for the republic to falter or end and the U.S. Military will not be a party of that action. I was active duty for 8 years and have now been a civilian employee of the DoD for 14 years (4 year pure civilian stint in the middle) and I can tell you that there is zero appetite within the military to do anything other than protect and defend this nation and its political system AS LAID DOWN by the Constitution. Remember, the oath of service of a military members is to "Support and Defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Not defend the government or the administration; defend the Constitution and the republic. The current political views of whichever administration is in control at that time have little effect on the U.S. military as a whole (except when they use the military as a social experiment lab).

#2 Trump won 2,626 out of 3,113 counties in the U.S. (84.36%).

That also corresponds to him having won 3,156,470 sq miles of U.S. land mass out of 3,797,000 sq miles (83.13%).

While he did lose the popular vote by over 3 million voters, he lost the state of CA by over 4 million votes. In the other 49 states of the union, over 1 million more people voted for him than for Hillary.

Trump won only 12 of the largest 100 counties (i.e. the cities).

You can decide however you want that he is "illegitimate" or somehow "stole" the election but a huge number of folks in the vast majority of the nation voted for him.

#3 I have now worked in cyber security for the Air Force for more than six years. While I can give no evidence on this forum, the narrative that the Russians "hacked" the election are pure fiction. The Dems terrible candidate, faulty assumptions, horrible election strategy and abandonment of one of their previous core voting blocs (working class whites) is what doomed them to lose to the weakest Republican candidate that the party has put up in decades.

#4 I personally think that Trump's administration will be a disaster. I think Hillary's administration would have been equally a disaster. Why? Because neither have the character, morals or ethics to be better than a disaster. Character matters. Folks who lack ethical character cannot but be a disaster in whatever they do. Folks with superior character and ethics will succeed no matter what they do.

#5 Luckily, there is not much that the federal government does that effects the daily lives of the average American. The decisions of the people in our lives, the companies that we interact with, the organizations that we choose to associate with and local governmental decisions effect our daily lives in much, much greater proportion than do the decisions of the Federal government. As the framers of the Constitution intended.

#6 In the words of poet Edward Fitzgerald "this too, shall pass" (quoting a much older Persian proverb).

So, Freaks, live your lives, love those around you and thank your God that Grigson was fired as GM of the Colts.

Cheers,