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[apballin]

I don’t see why anything has to change as far as running the same offense they intended or visualized running with AR, Leonard isn’t as athletic as AR but he’s more athletic than Minshew with a better arm.

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by CletusPyle

If Ballard wanted Leonard to play no way we get Rivers, Steichen is not writing checks, the decision to bring in Rivers was up to Ballard and ultimately CIG. If Leonard performs well, even if Steichen wanted Rivers, it won't reflect on him nearly as bad as on Ballard.

I would really like some of you to explain to me what you think a GM's job is, because anytime things go badly for this team it is never the GM's fault?

What the hell are you talking about? Steichen and Rivers go way back. They talk every week on the phone. Rivers himself said it was Steichen who asked him to come back. It was Steichen who wanted Rivers, not Ballard.

And it is ALWAYS the coach who determines who plays, not the GM. The GM builds the roster, the coach sets the depth chart.

Also, Leonard was a 6th round draft pick. If he plays poorly, that’s not going to make Ballard look bad. He’ll be like 1000 other late round picks who don’t pan out. Every GM who has ever lived has had draft picks who don’t work out.

I get that you hate Ballard but what youre trying to claim here is asinine. I’m not really sure what it is you’re claiming aside from “Ballard bad”.

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by apballin

I don’t see why anything has to change as far as running the same offense they intended or visualized running with AR, Leonard isn’t as athletic as AR but he’s more athletic than Minshew with a better arm.

That's what has me so incensed with the entire thing. I am not in any way hostile toward Rivers, give him his flowers for doing what he was able to do in these games, he is a competent competitive leader- good for him.

It's instead the fact that Leonard has been here for a long enough period, and plays the same game as DJ which opened up the playbook, that he SHOULD have been able to come in and be the QB and we should have been able to play the same style. The fact they didn't feel he was capable of doing the RPO's, designed rolls, the QB end arounds, to me is a huge black mark upon the coaching staff and why I am back in the camp that I want them all shit canned.

[CletusPyle]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

What the hell are you talking about? Steichen and Rivers go way back. They talk every week on the phone. Rivers himself said it was Steichen who asked him to come back. It was Steichen who wanted Rivers, not Ballard.

And it is ALWAYS the coach who determines who plays, not the GM. The GM builds the roster, the coach sets the depth chart.

Also, Leonard was a 6th round draft pick. If he plays poorly, that’s not going to make Ballard look bad. He’ll be like 1000 other late round picks who don’t pan out. Every GM who has ever lived has had draft picks who don’t work out.

I get that you hate Ballard but what youre trying to claim here is asinine. I’m not really sure what it is you’re claiming aside from “Ballard bad”.

Steichen can't bring in Rivers because they go way back....you obviously don't know shit about who hires players. If Ballard already had a good QB on the roster why bring in Rivers? Why waste the money on him?

If Riley does well he makes Ballard and Steichen both look like idiots.

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Postgame: Colts coach Shane Steichen said he’ll think over his QB decision the next couple of days and decide who will start in Week 18 at Houston.
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[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by CletusPyle

Steichen can't bring in Rivers because they go way back....you obviously don't know shit about who hires players. If Ballard already had a good QB on the roster why bring in Rivers? Why waste the money on him?

If Riley does well he makes Ballard and Steichen both look like idiots.

Because Rivers was who his coach wanted? What’s Ballard going to say, no? That’s insane. They were fighting for a playoff spot. Ballard isn’t a coach. He doesn’t call plays. If Steichen tells Ballard he has a better chance with Rivers, Ballard is going to sign Rivers. Regardless of what he(Ballard) thinks of Leonard.

I guess Belichick looked like an idiot when he played Bledsoe over Brady? Shanahan looked like an idiot when he played Trey Lance over Brock Purdy?

You hate Ballard but you’re making zero sense here.

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by CletusPyle

If Leonard starts next week, which he certainly should, it won't be because Ballard wants him too...maybe Shane or CIG, but not Ballard. Because if the kid plays well, and I think he will, Ballard will look like even more of a fool!

That makes no sense. Shane wanted Rivers, and Ballard agreed. IF, big IF, Leonard plays well, it proves nothing.

[Lov2fish]

Originally Posted by sherck

The biggest mark agains Leonard that I have is that after watching cuts from his college career, he:

A. Has issues throwing from the pocket; he would much prefer to roll-out.

B. Tends to pull the ball down too quickly and run.

Both of those can work in college; neither work long-term in the NFL because everyone is at least as good of an athlete as you.

His arm strength was never in doubt.

While the odds are against him, I would rather have seen Leonard play these last four weeks and lose just like Rivers did but get some development than do the experiment we did with Rivers. Rivers entertained me but did nothing to advance the team.

How was being on the sideline vs being in the stands?

Being on the sideline was fucking awesome. Some of these guys are a lot bigger up close, and some not as big as they look. I am right at 6ft. and I can look quite a few of our players eye to eye. Some were way bigger than I could imagine. I got to have a short conversation with Pierces mom. She was amazingly sweet and extremely proud of her son.

[CletusPyle]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

Because Rivers was who his coach wanted? What’s Ballard going to say, no? That’s insane. They were fighting for a playoff spot. Ballard isn’t a coach. He doesn’t call plays. If Steichen tells Ballard he has a better chance with Rivers, Ballard is going to sign Rivers. Regardless of what he(Ballard) thinks of Leonard.

I guess Belichick looked like an idiot when he played Bledsoe over Brady? Shanahan looked like an idiot when he played Trey Lance over Brock Purdy?

You hate Ballard but you’re making zero sense here.

You are just trying to put all the blame of Steichen and giving Ballard the usual pass. Belichick would have looked like an idiot and so would have the GM if they didn't play Brady when Bledsoe got hurt, if they instead went out and got a 40+ year old retired QB and lost every game, then finally let Brady play and he looked great and earned the starting job...that is the correct analogy, not the straw man you created to protect Ballard!

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle

You are just trying to put all the blame of Steichen and giving Ballard the usual pass. Belichick would have looked like an idiot and so would have the GM if they didn't play Brady when Bledsoe got hurt, if they instead went out and got a 40+ year old retired QB and lost every game, then finally let Brady play and he looked great and earned the starting job...that is the correct analogy, not the straw man you created to protect Ballard!

OK. Completely different situations

You need to go back and research this. BB actually knew Brady had the potential, and when the opportunity came he put him in

This was not a normal 6th rounder. BB knew he was going to be good once he saw him in practice.