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[rcubed]

Freeney was short. Never should have drafted that fool.


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[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by albany ed

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[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by JAFF

I know. There are some really good football players who didnt check off all the boxes, but were a basic nightmare to their opponents. Anyone remember what Jeff Saturday did to Trevor Pryce in a playoff game?

Interior linemen can get away with it more. Tackles play on an island to some extent, same as DEs. That’s why they say some guys will move inside, because they lack the length or speed to play outside. Jeff Saturday did not grade out well athletically, Mike Pollack graded out very high athletically. Very different careers. But teams don’t know how to differentiate between the two. So you track the features and traits you can. Also anomalies are called anomalies for a reason.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by rcubed

Freeney was short. Never should have drafted that fool.


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Freeneys game was predicated on speed. He had 32+ arms on a 6 ft body which is pretty long. But he wasn’t bull rushing and standing up the tackle with long arms. He was beating him with a first step and spin move. Freeney was also a liability against the run, something many teams exploited especially the pats.

Not all edge players are the same or play the position the same. The Watt brothers play different positions and different styles based on their abilities. Both are effective though.

[rcubed]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

Freeneys game was predicated on speed. He had 32+ arms on a 6 ft body which is pretty long. But he wasn’t bull rushing and standing up the tackle with long arms. He was beating him with a first step and spin move. Freeney was also a liability against the run, something many teams exploited especially the pats.

Not all edge players are the same or play the position the same. The Watt brothers play different positions and different styles based on their abilities. Both are effective though.

Ok. Thanks chrome.


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[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by JAFF

From espn. I couldnt get the link to copy. Read that


Daily Mailbag: The insanity of short arms
Apr 27, 2010
Kevin Seifert
ESPN Staff Writer
Thank you, thank you, Mallory of St. Paul, for providing me the opportunity to address the most ridiculous thing I heard or read during the NFL draft. Take it away, Mallory:

I've heard a lot of various experts and analysts project that Green Bay's Bryan Bulaga will struggle to adapt to left tackle in the NFL due to short arms. But, checking combine numbers, his arms (33 1/4") were longer than NFL left tackles Joe Thomas (32 1/2") and Jake Long (32 7/8").

Both of these guys are able to play left tackle effectively in the NFL regardless of their arm length, so why are people making such a big deal about this? Is there really a huge correlation between "arm length" and being effective as a left tackle in the NFL? Is Bulaga being unfairly criticized because he attended the same school and played the same position as notorious NFL bust Robert Gallery (32 1/4" arms)?


https://www.milehighreport.com/2015/...offensive-line

And that

It's a heuristic, not an absolute. Hell, I'll give you the ultimate counterexample to it: Anthony Munoz, quite possibly the best LT ever, but that was also 30 years ago. The measurements in that article are not accurate, as I've already shown.

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

People make a big deal out of it because DEs are getting longer and longer. If the DE has longer arms, he can keep the tackle at length and the tackle can’t get in close to block the body. Now is this the defining trait, no. You don’t like to see short arms at either position. Length means you can control the person opposite you better. But as long as the guy doesn’t have t-Rex arms, he should be ok if he is superior in other areas like balance and footwork.

The easy way of saying that is 33" arms.

Originally Posted by JAFF

I know. There are some really good football players who didnt check off all the boxes, but were a basic nightmare to their opponents. Anyone remember what Jeff Saturday did to Trevor Pryce in a playoff game?

You bring up Saturday and playoff games and don't even talk about "The Block" where he pancaked Vince Wilfork for the GW TD? Interesting.

Originally Posted by rcubed

Freeney was short. Never should have drafted that fool.


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His lack of height was actually his advantage. He had such a low COG most tackles couldn't deal with him.

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

Interior linemen can get away with it more. Tackles play on an island to some extent, same as DEs. That’s why they say some guys will move inside, because they lack the length or speed to play outside. Jeff Saturday did not grade out well athletically, Mike Pollack graded out very high athletically. Very different careers. But teams don’t know how to differentiate between the two. So you track the features and traits you can. Also anomalies are called anomalies for a reason.

Exactly, OGs and OCs can have shorter arms because it's more about technique and power on the inside than length and athleticism. Technique is important on the outside, but it's much more important on the inside.

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

Freeneys game was predicated on speed. He had 32+ arms on a 6 ft body which is pretty long. But he wasn’t bull rushing and standing up the tackle with long arms. He was beating him with a first step and spin move. Freeney was also a liability against the run, something many teams exploited especially the pats.

Not all edge players are the same or play the position the same. The Watt brothers play different positions and different styles based on their abilities. Both are effective though.

https://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?i=5925

That was ridiculous. I remember him at 4.44, not 4.48, but still a DE his size running sub 4.5 is insane. His speed and low COG were what made him the absolute edge terror he was.

The Watt brothers both have very good technical skills and hand usage, that's the biggest strength in their game. Same with the Bosas.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

Freeneys game was predicated on speed. He had 32+ arms on a 6 ft body which is pretty long. But he wasn’t bull rushing and standing up the tackle with long arms. He was beating him with a first step and spin move. Freeney was also a liability against the run, something many teams exploited especially the pats.

Not all edge players are the same or play the position the same. The Watt brothers play different positions and different styles based on their abilities. Both are effective though.

I've seen Freeney totally jack up LT's and drive them back into the QB. Don't tell me that Freeney couldn't bull rush.

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

I've seen Freeney totally jack up LT's and drive them back into the QB. Don't tell me that Freeney couldn't bull rush.

If he got under his pads it was due to his size and he probably did it bc the tackle was expecting a spin move. Going outside and spinning inside was his game. Keeping the tackle off balance and guessing in pass pro was what he was good at. Strength on strength wasn’t his game. Setting the edge against the run and occupying a blocker wasn’t his game. He was just so extraordinarily good against the pass it was hard to take him off the field. But you could drive a truck through the run lanes he left behind. There were a few games he did well in the run game, but most of the time he was a liability.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

If he got under his pads it was due to his size and he probably did it bc the tackle was expecting a spin move. Going outside and spinning inside was his game. Keeping the tackle off balance and guessing in pass pro was what he was good at. Strength on strength wasn’t his game. Setting the edge against the run and occupying a blocker wasn’t his game. He was just so extraordinarily good against the pass it was hard to take him off the field. But you could drive a truck through the run lanes he left behind. There were a few games he did well in the run game, but most of the time he was a liability.

If you're playing 9 tech as a DE, the LB is 1000% responsible for the B gap that was typically left open.

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

If you're playing 9 tech as a DE, the LB is 1000% responsible for the B gap that was typically left open.

And it took putting Rob Morris at SAM to fix the problem