COVID in the complex

[Puck]

Originally Posted by Butter

BS. I don't want Jackasses like Leonard spreading disinformation and discouraging others from being vaccinated. Like it or not they are role models. I work in healthcare in a role very much impacted by the pandemic and my everyday life has been impacted for going on two years because idiots won't get the poke or do the bare minimum to help reduce the spread. I dread every day going to work to deal with the shit show it has become. So fuck you and fuck all the morons who won't do a simple thing to help their community.

1st. You're accusing him of not being vaccinated. Are you assuming that?

And I think you are missing his point. As most of you on here are. Or maybe I'm wrong.

What he is saying is that the NFL doesn't give a rats ass if someone is vaccinated. They are putting on a show That is whey the rules keep changing. They are more concerned with their TV contracts than the idea of not spreading the virus

Correct me if I'm wrong Chaos

[Puck]

Originally Posted by rm1369

As has already been said, individually - nope. Now show me a random sampling of 10,000 of each group and I can pick out the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups. Just as you likely could with seatbelts.

Settle down. I'm making a point. I'll get there soon enough. Would like to hear more from others

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by Puck

1st. You're accusing him of not being vaccinated. Are you assuming that?

And I think you are missing his point. As most of you on here are. Or maybe I'm wrong.

What he is saying is that the NFL doesn't give a rats ass if someone is vaccinated. They are putting on a show That is whey the rules keep changing. They are more concerned with their TV contracts than the idea of not spreading the virus

Correct me if I'm wrong Chaos

He was asked to clarify his take and he simply added another group to complain about - the fans. He didn’t clarify if he thought the rules were too strict or too loose. He simply complained. As has been pointed out, the rules were designed to encourage vaccinations AND get agreement with the NFLPA. The idea the NFL cares about their billion dollar contracts is not exactly a hot take or enlightening in anyway. Individual players are fairly low risk due to their demographic. And yes, any individual player is also largely disposable to the NFL anyway. That is and has been obvious for all kinds of issues over the years. It also is in no way unique to the NFL. So what is the point of the rant? The NFL did the single biggest thing they could do for their players, their business, and their communities. The vaccination rate of NFL players is much higher than the general population. That wasn’t due to anything other than NFL policy. So I’ll ask again - what the hell is the complaint?

[Puck]

Originally Posted by rm1369

He was asked to clarify his take and he simply added another group to complain about - the fans. He didn’t clarify if he thought the rules were too strict or too loose. He simply complained. As has been pointed out, the rules were designed to encourage vaccinations AND get agreement with the NFLPA. The idea the NFL cares about their billion dollar contracts is not exactly a hot take or enlightening in anyway. Individual players are fairly low risk due to their demographic. And yes, any individual player is also largely disposable to the NFL anyway. That is and has been obvious for all kinds of issues over the years. It also is in no way unique to the NFL. So what is the point of the rant? The NFL did the single biggest thing they could do for their players, their business, and their communities. The vaccination rate of NFL players is much higher than the general population. That wasn’t due to anything other than NFL policy. So I’ll ask again - what the hell is the complaint?

I get everything you are saying. I do.

So the CDC just lowered the isolation period to 5 days from 10. The NFL is suppose to jump on that as of tomorrow.

Here is the tricky part. It says only 5 days isolation and then 5 days of wearing a mask. So how will this work for the NFL? NBA? etc. Are the players going to wear a mask for 5 days after isolation OR are they just going to ignore that part and get away without wearing it so we have players on the field?

[Oldcolt]

You can be pissed that the unvaccinated Colt players are losing a competitive advantage and at the same time think they are irresponsible towards their community for not being vaccinated. I agree with the first statement (I'm not sure how you can not think it is a competitive disadvantage not to be vaccinated) but am not willing to make that judgement on players like Leonard. I'm not sure why he didn't get vaccinated and it isn't any of my business as long as he or others are willing to take the consequences.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Puck

1st. You're accusing him of not being vaccinated. Are you assuming that?

And I think you are missing his point. As most of you on here are. Or maybe I'm wrong.

What he is saying is that the NFL doesn't give a rats ass if someone is vaccinated. They are putting on a show That is whey the rules keep changing. They are more concerned with their TV contracts than the idea of not spreading the virus

Correct me if I'm wrong Chaos

No, your take is wrong. I accused them of nothing, they accused me of only caring about the fucking games.

[Puck]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

You can be pissed that the unvaccinated Colt players are losing a competitive advantage and at the same time think they are irresponsible towards their community for not being vaccinated. I agree with the first statement (I'm not sure how you can not think it is a competitive disadvantage not to be vaccinated) but am not willing to make that judgement on players like Leonard. I'm not sure why he didn't get vaccinated and it isn't any of my business as long as he or others are willing to take the consequences.

OldColt/Butter I appreciate your service to the medical field. FYI. I am not a DR and have no background myself in the field. My wife however does. She overseas 17 hospital emergency rooms throughout the midwest for a medical group that has hundreds of hospitals. She coordinates with 150+ DRs on a daily basis. Sits in on the meetings etc. and hears all of the discussion about COVID and what is happening now in the past and what to expect going forward.

Anyway, Back to the story of the couple

There is no way for anyone to tell if this couple is vaccinated or not Whether as individuals or as a couple.

The reason is because they were both infected. One caught it from the other so both can pass the virus and they can get very sick or be mild. Any of those things can happen with a vaccinated or unvaccinated person.

So while the world can scream at the top of their lungs for people to get vaccinated People are still going to get sick whether they are vaccinated or not.

For the record that couple is my wife and I. We are vaccinated. Our close friends are vaccinated and have basically the same story. One mild one harsh symptoms. Our neighbor is not vaccinated and had very mild symptoms.


Now back to the NFL.

If a vaccinated person can contract, pass on a have bad symptoms just like an unvaccinated person. What is the difference? Why should a vaccinated person have any benefit to play because they got the jab over someone who didn't?

[Drewtone]

Originally Posted by Puck

Are you in Indiana Drewtone?

Nosir. From Indy but I'm an expat up in Ottawa.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by Puck

Now back to the NFL.

If a vaccinated person can contract, pass on a have bad symptoms just like an unvaccinated person. What is the difference? Why should a vaccinated person have any benefit to play because they got the jab over someone who didn't?

Because that was the collective agreement between the NFL and the players association. It is as simple as that.

Why would the two sides agree to that? Because the only way to get healthy relatively young individuals who are notoriously self focused to do anything is to make it advantageous for them to do it. Left alone I can almost guarantee NFL players would have a significantly lower vaccination rate that the US population. That isn’t good for the NFL, that isn’t good for the players, and it isn’t good for society as a whole. So they have used a carrot and a stick to the best of their abilities to convince NFL players to get vaccinations. And they have been largely successful.

This is something that drives me crazy. People bitch and moan about any inconvenience they encounter in the name of protecting people. So we make concessions, try to offer incentives, or lessen the requirements to try to get max compliance and do the most good. Then the same people causing the issue nitpick any inconsistencies within the compromises they caused. So yeah, I agree it isn’t logical. But if the NFL didn’t make it an advantage to be vaccinated I’d almost guarantee the vaccination rate would be half (or less) of what it is. I’m at a loss for how that makes anything better for anyone other than those players selfish enough to refuse the vaccine. Again - those causing the need to compromise then bitch about the situation they caused.

[Oldcolt]

Originally Posted by Puck

OldColt/Butter I appreciate your service to the medical field. FYI. I am not a DR and have no background myself in the field. My wife however does. She overseas 17 hospital emergency rooms throughout the midwest for a medical group that has hundreds of hospitals. She coordinates with 150+ DRs on a daily basis. Sits in on the meetings etc. and hears all of the discussion about COVID and what is happening now in the past and what to expect going forward.

Anyway, Back to the story of the couple

There is no way for anyone to tell if this couple is vaccinated or not Whether as individuals or as a couple.

The reason is because they were both infected. One caught it from the other so both can pass the virus and they can get very sick or be mild. Any of those things can happen with a vaccinated or unvaccinated person.

So while the world can scream at the top of their lungs for people to get vaccinated People are still going to get sick whether they are vaccinated or not.

For the record that couple is my wife and I. We are vaccinated. Our close friends are vaccinated and have basically the same story. One mild one harsh symptoms. Our neighbor is not vaccinated and had very mild symptoms.


Now back to the NFL.

If a vaccinated person can contract, pass on a have bad symptoms just like an unvaccinated person. What is the difference? Why should a vaccinated person have any benefit to play because they got the jab over someone who didn't?

The vaccine is not supposed to keep you from getting infected (although it can). It is supposed to keep you from kicking the bucket if you are an old fart like me. I'm assuming you are an old fart like me Puck and you didn't kick the bucket. I'm happy you and your wife were vaccinated. It worked.

To answer your last question, it has to do with viral load. Vaccinated folks shed much less virus than unvaccinated people and are less likely to infect others, especially other vaccinated people.